2011.05.08 07:00 - Anxiety at the Fountain

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

    At this session we discussed ways to deal with anxiety.

    Eliza Madrigal: Good Morning Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello druth :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Druth :) Morning
    druth Vlodovic: hi :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Susan :)
    druth Vlodovic: hey sue
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Susan :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I can really almost smell the grass as we are sitting here
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: freshly mowed
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: the landscapers here are so quiet
    Eliza Madrigal: isn't that so
    Adams Rubble: Does anyone have anything they would like to discuss?
    iwandertoo Resident: shallow breathing
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm
    Adams Rubble: yes?
    iwandertoo Resident: why does this occur for some as a way of dealing with anxiety (or an effect of)
    Adams Rubble: I know nothing about that
    Eliza Madrigal: seems to be that our heart speeds up and the breath tries to regulate that?
    iwandertoo Resident: i thought something like PaB would be helpful...slowing down - but this isnt something i believe she would do
    Adams Rubble: but focusing on breathing can help us focus away from things making us anxious
    Eliza Madrigal: nods, if the breath can get our attention, we can follow it to calmness
    Adams Rubble: Hello Yaku :)
    druth Vlodovic: if you need to make a sudden rush you don't want lungs full of air, so you breeathe quickly and shallowly to oxygenate your muscles without impairing your readyness
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Snoopy Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    druth Vlodovic: hi Yak, er dog
    iwandertoo Resident: yes, sorry Eliza. I think it's the triggers and recognizing them
    druth Vlodovic: deep breathing is inherently relaxing, I find
    Eliza Madrigal: that's interesting, druth
    iwandertoo Resident: nods, yes. not asking the correct question.
    iwandertoo Resident: hi yaku
    Eliza Madrigal: its an interesting question
    Eliza Madrigal: and collaborates nicely with what Pema posted for the time group this morning, about breathing stillness
    Adams Rubble: you are so quick Eliza :)
    druth Vlodovic: you could tell her about the 9 second breaks as a personal opinion without bringing her here
    iwandertoo Resident: not yet read...
    Eliza Madrigal: :) I'm a morning reader
    iwandertoo Resident: i did, Druth. she seems to know its happening - aware ot - and still has a difficult time just slowing down.
    iwandertoo Resident: told her after each sentence to tap each finger once (but one can do that really quickly)
    druth Vlodovic: habits are hard to change, you need patience with yourself to avoid adding to your frustration
    Eliza Madrigal: She might try, rather than waiting until feeling the anxiety, finding a 'clue' to give herself during the day
    Adams Rubble: Focusing on the present moment begins to slow us down
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, that's the direction you suggested too :)
    Adams Rubble: Forgetting the past and the future
    Adams Rubble: we rarely are anxious about the present moment but more so what we might have done in the past or what is likely to happen to us in the future
    iwandertoo Resident: yes, there is a lot of anxiety about the future.
    druth Vlodovic: if I could let go of my regrets I think my life would be much calmer :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe we tap into timelessness this way, like a hummingbird
    Adams Rubble: hummingbirds?
    Eliza Madrigal: make the regrets (maybe a type of hunger) fall away by drinking in the present moment
    Eliza Madrigal: guess I'm feeling poetic this morning, flighty, don't mind me :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    druth Vlodovic: flighty is good :)
    Adams Rubble: we can learn from our mistakes but do not have to dwell on them
    druth Vlodovic: failure causes frustration which increases unhappiness and saps energy
    druth Vlodovic: even failure to relax :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: yes, adapt the idea that did not help me relax so I will try something else :)
    Eliza Madrigal nods, different approaches
    Eliza Madrigal: I couldn't have imagined meditating for 20 minutes when I started to notice my breath at stoplights
    druth Vlodovic: music, deep breathing, soothing voices, darkness, forced muscle relaxation
    iwandertoo Resident: are any of you super extroverted?
    Eliza Madrigal: that was a relaxing sentence, druth :)
    iwandertoo Resident: (RL)
    Eliza Madrigal: funny question Susan, I'm a complete mixture.... huge shy tendencies and huge outgoingness too
    Eliza Madrigal listens for others
    Eliza Madrigal: (shy used to win over greatly when younger)
    iwandertoo Resident: introvert - but not shy
    Eliza Madrigal: is the test whether one is energized or drained by 'others'?
    druth Vlodovic: lol, I've been told I probably have social anxiety disorder, so not really
    iwandertoo Resident: no...i would like to understand how the slowing down process went for someone who is very exotrverted, chatty, hyper
    druth Vlodovic: I'm sort of both, I am energized by being around others but getting into a situation where I am gives me nervous sweats and worse
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, nods @ druth, I relate to it being context related
    Eliza Madrigal: and 'others' can be contexts
    Adams Rubble no help for extrovert questions. hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: Pema seems one to ask :)
    iwandertoo Resident: smiles...i'm laughing at even wrting that now
    iwandertoo Resident: oh...true, Eliza
    iwandertoo Resident: thank you
    Adams Rubble: I think much of it is we have to keep working at staying in the moment and finding peace :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: we find little bits of it and then fall backwards
    Adams Rubble: then we find it for a bit longer and fall backwards again
    Adams Rubble: but each time around we can get better at it
    Adams Rubble: and the lapses caan be shorter
    druth Vlodovic: no goal, just something to do in life
    Eliza Madrigal: am thinking of a friend who is like you describe, Susan.... chatty, always on the phone wanting someone to say 'yes you are still here'... but over time she would think about pausing, then saw that she was doing it
    Eliza Madrigal: funnily, she noticed not needing to be on the phone so much, like the breath was saying 'you are still here' now :)
    iwandertoo Resident: she is aware of what is happening...and is going to try some things...i just wonder how best to support her - suggestions, different things she could try
    Eliza Madrigal: is she physically active?
    iwandertoo Resident: no...but we made a plan for this
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    iwandertoo Resident: this is primary (get out, feel better, get out of her head)
    iwandertoo Resident: i think this will help immensely
    Eliza Madrigal: YES
    iwandertoo Resident: thank you for all of your suggestions
    Eliza Madrigal: sometimes we need to trick ourselves... sneak up, hah
    Adams Rubble: it was a good question Susan, one with which we all deal with
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, very
    iwandertoo Resident: i think we need to "un-trick ourselves and look in the mirror...and realize "its going to be okay"
    Adams Rubble: Hello Sun :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    druth Vlodovic: hi sun
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sunshine :)
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi everyone ;)
    Adams Rubble: Much of our anxiety is manufactured by us :)
    iwandertoo Resident: yes, our rationalizations
    Eliza Madrigal: fuel for 'goals' too, it would be easy to think
    druth Vlodovic: anxiety can feel like progress because it is work
    Eliza Madrigal: hmmm
    Adams Rubble: hopefully none of are anxious that the fountain will overflow and our outfits will then shrink :)
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;))
    Eliza Madrigal: this is a surprisingly tame fountain for all the conversations it listens to
    Eliza Madrigal: must be extroverted
    Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
    druth Vlodovic: takes our words, absorbs and releases them
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Sunshine Vayandar: ã‹¡
    Adams Rubble beginning to think there is much more we could be anxious about if we tried
    Adams Rubble: we probably can congratulate ourselves for all the things we have managed not to be anxious about
    Adams Rubble: maybe a way of reducing anxiety?
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Like noticing the space
    Eliza Madrigal: giving credit is sometimes great practice
    iwandertoo Resident: yes...
    iwandertoo Resident: the little things
    Eliza Madrigal: I used to feel bad if I didn't finish my 'to do' list, so for a while i started adding on the 'things I did instead' which I hadn't noticed in the measure before
    Eliza Madrigal: very liberating!
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;))
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm to do lists ...
    Adams Rubble: yes "to do" lists tend to grow faster than shrink
    Sunshine Vayandar: I think everyone is thinking of their to do lists ;)
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    iwandertoo Resident: lol
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    iwandertoo Resident: 5/6/11
    iwandertoo Resident: 5/7/11
    iwandertoo Resident: ...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) was thinking of the expression "missing the forest for the trees"
    Eliza Madrigal: odd expression
    Adams Rubble makes note to count the trees on the to do list
    Sunshine Vayandar: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Sunshine Vayandar: tree one, tree two, tree three
    Eliza Madrigal: missing the forest for counting the trees?
    Adams Rubble: ")
    Adams Rubble: :)
    druth Vlodovic: g2g, have fun guy
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Druth, have a lovely day!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye druth
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Sunshine Vayandar: byebyeee Druth
    Adams Rubble: bye druth
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi Bruce ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Bruce :)
    iwandertoo Resident: hi Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Good morning - and Happy Mothers' Day!
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;) morning
    iwandertoo Resident: ty
    Sunshine Vayandar: yes happy mom's day
    Bruce Mowbray: someone with a tail just left -- was that druthie?
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Bruce :) Happy Mother's Day
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
    Eliza Madrigal: my son just woke up and was hesitating to go play, saying he didn't want to 'leave me' on mother's day :))
    Bruce Mowbray: k. TY!
    iwandertoo Resident: very sweet
    Sunshine Vayandar: ahh really Liz
    Bruce Mowbray: awww.. that's beautiful, Eliza.
    Eliza Madrigal: I thanked him for his devotion but said it was really fine, hah
    Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: unless he wanted to hang out :)
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, time for the guardian session
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Adams, and everyone. And Susan too... great topic this morning
    Bruce Mowbray notices that Yaku is raising his hand. Does he need to go to the bathroom?
    Adams Rubble: I will be missing the guardian session today
    Sunshine Vayandar: Thanks Adams ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: Enjoy your Sunday Adams
    Adams Rubble: bye everyone who is going :)
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Adams.
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: :P bruce
    Sunshine Vayandar: hehe Bruce
    Adams Rubble needs to work on to do list. hehe
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: tries to remember which way to go....hehe
    Sunshine Vayandar: byebyee all enjoy your sunday
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, that way
    Adams Rubble: bye Sun, you too
    Sunshine Vayandar: I think it's this way
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hugs
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Adams Rubble: someone needs to put up a sign
    Sunshine Vayandar: hugs ;)

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