2011.05.12 07:00 - A tapestry of topics

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are by Storm Nordwind. Hard to think of a single title for this tapestry of topics.

    Storm Nordwind: Good day gentlefolk :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Storm and Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: And good day to you, Mssr. Storm
    Archmage Atlantis: hi, Xiranaa

    Wind and rain.

    Storm Nordwind: How are your worlds treating you today?
    Xirana Oximoxi: myworld is stormy now :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Surrealistic
    Archmage Atlantis: Like imagination is reality
    Xirana Oximoxi: in a real sense...so maybe i'll have to close computer
    Storm Nordwind: Oh dear!
    Storm Nordwind: We have rain - lots of it - for the first time since last summer it seems. Very grateful.
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes, when it is missing one is aware of how important is the rain and the water to let everything grow
    Xirana Oximoxi: to clean the air too, I love after rain
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Storm Nordwind: Living by the ocean for 50 years, it was easy to take rain for granted - and even get annoyed by it. It is a useful change of perspective living 1300km from the sea now!
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes! you have it reaaly far...probably other things in your life changes, not only related to water... we are influenced by our environment more than what we think
    Storm Nordwind: Yes we are. There are obvious things - like static electricity always being there. But changes in culture that make you realize this - even for a world traveller like me!
    Xirana Oximoxi: surrealistic = under reality, a mix of dreams that come up and show ...is this your day like this Arch?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning
    Storm Nordwind: Goodday Master Lethecus :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: maybe nowadays the differences are not so important as before, because the relations between lands are more easy and you can find everything everywhere but it influences also the mood and character
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Yaku:)
    Storm Nordwind: Different lands. Different gods! ;)
    Xirana Oximoxi: ah yes! that too:)

    The price of gas.

    Storm Nordwind: How is your day Yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: a bit busy, a lot of cleaning and i got upset about the gasprices
    Storm Nordwind: What are they now over there?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: 1,61€ per liter gas (superbenizin)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but actually i was upset because i drive with LPG liquified petrolum gas which was 67,9 the last time i refilled and now it´s at 79,9 eurocents
    Yakuzza Lethecus: 79.9
    Storm Nordwind: Ouch!
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi observem..:) the misterious man:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, not sure i like practicing acceptance at a gasstation even tho it´s the mothercompany´s policy
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes Yaku..it's getting so expensive that I will have to go walking on feet again soon...
    Storm Nordwind: What are these "feet" things that I've been hearing about? ;)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i heard about those in ancient literature too
    Xirana Oximoxi: I mean to walk insteaad of driving :))
    Xirana Oximoxi: and if so, you change the meaning of 'time' for sure
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, here they are constantly enlarging the bicicle ways and the hiking routs
    Storm Nordwind: And you can practise walking meditation perhaps :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, in a cirty or urban area i would definetivly ,,not have" a car
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but where i live public transportation isn´t usable
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i liked wol´s advance to walking mediation on the way to printouts of the plotters
    Yakuzza Lethecus: xirana crashed, well at least the internet here is reliable
    Storm Nordwind: She has stormy weather there

    Teaching walking meditation.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: i could consider walkingmeditation as an approach to do some practice every 15 minutes, every 15 minutes something different
    Storm Nordwind: Good idea
    Yakuzza Lethecus: once breathing, then walking, then just observing the sky out of the window
    Storm Nordwind: I suspect there are many such techniques. I even used to teach one 10-15 years ago.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: pls elaborate then :)
    Storm Nordwind: It was actually a follow on practice to a breathing exercise I used to teach that involved energy visualization. When combined with walking it brought focus and poise. And it was fun.
    Storm Nordwind: But I don't get do those classes any more. Though maybe I could. There are people doing classes for just about anything here! But whether I should is quite another matter! :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, call it experimental and do it like 3-5 times, maybe in combination with liza´s mediation practices, i mean during her hours to not reate new event´s that are too similar
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i couldn´t come then propably, since the evening time became harder for me to be on sl
    Storm Nordwind: I mostly used to teach in RL. I've never really tried that sort of thing in SL. It's much harder to pay close attention to your students in SL. You realize just how many clues you are picking up as a teacher from small and subtle expressions and body language.
    Storm Nordwind: I did used to teach some stuff on correspondence courses too, using email. That was interesting. Lots of different techniques to achieve the same thing!
    Storm Nordwind: Welcome Korel!
    Korel Laloix: Heya
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i just wonder what i can build in to my daliy habits without feeling alienated from this habit
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey korel
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i´ll be afk for a bit (dinner)
    Storm Nordwind: Bon appetit!
    Storm Nordwind momentarily forgets the German phrase

    A controversial topic?

    Storm Nordwind: Today seems a very quiet session Korel. You're welcome to bring up a topic though. Or just enjoy the silence of course :)
    Korel Laloix: OK.
    Korel Laloix: Just was having a discussion about a controversial topic.
    Korel Laloix: REady?... smiles
    Storm Nordwind: Oh?
    Korel Laloix: I think that all philisophical momements that have any history have some baggage.
    Korel Laloix: Christian, the spanish inquisition.
    Korel Laloix: Muslims, 9/11
    Storm Nordwind: Sure. They have a job to do, and that's to relate to people at the time. Nothing like that is really context free.
    Korel Laloix: AMerican, treament of slaves and First Americans.
    Korel Laloix: Budists, Emperial Japan.
    Korel Laloix: etc.
    Korel Laloix: And pretty much when I chat with those sorts of peple the at least aknowldge a connection even if in a small way.
    Korel Laloix: But...... I have never found an Athist that will accept a conection to the USSR or Communist China.
    Korel Laloix: Even when they point at those other instances.
    Korel Laloix: WHy is that?
    Storm Nordwind: Because atheism is old and multicultural, and the things you mention didn't have much formative influence perhaps?
    Korel Laloix: PErhapse.
    Korel Laloix: But all of those other moments are old and multiC as well.
    Korel Laloix: Just seems very arogant and maybe closed minded?... Just curious.
    Storm Nordwind: yes. And the baggage for one person need not be the baggage for another.
    Korel Laloix: Very true.
    Storm Nordwind: One person's close-mindedness is another person's irrelevance! :)
    Korel Laloix: That is true, I find teh term openminded to be arrogant most of the time.
    Storm Nordwind: You can consider something and then dismiss it as not being pertinent t your personal context - while still acknowledging it could be relevant to someone else
    Korel Laloix: Hard lines to draw sometimes.
    Korel Laloix: I do find those and teses sorts of chats in SL very interesting.
    Korel Laloix: I love hearing the various perspectives.
    Storm Nordwind nods and smiles
    Korel Laloix: Well that was way too easy....
    Korel Laloix: Next.... smiles
    Storm Nordwind: I'm an easy kind of guy :)
    Korel Laloix: Arch said you were cheap not easy..... grins
    Storm Nordwind: Not cheap. Just not very expensive :)
    Korel Laloix: Fair enough.

    A summer tour.

    Korel Laloix: Had my only final this week already.
    Korel Laloix: So so so glad the summer is here.
    Korel Laloix: Not sure what to do with myself though.
    Korel Laloix: Think I said that right.
    Storm Nordwind: It's mid May - and the summer is here? We had snow only yesterday.
    Korel Laloix: lol... I was mre talking about the semester being done.
    Storm Nordwind: What you do with the time may depend on your resources as well as your inclination
    Korel Laloix: WEll, planing a nice long roadtrip with my gf.
    Korel Laloix: We are going to head out to the Grand Canyon then up to Utah then over and back down to Oklahoma.
    Storm Nordwind: If you're my way, give me a shout :)
    Korel Laloix: What part of Colorado you in?
    Storm Nordwind: SE Denver
    Korel Laloix: We are going up through Taos toward Alamosa.
    Korel Laloix: We might get up to Denver. Not sure though.
    Storm Nordwind: I have friends over there in Crestone
    Korel Laloix: Still planning.
    Storm Nordwind: 4 hours ride though
    Korel Laloix: DOn't know where that is.
    Korel Laloix: OK.
    Storm Nordwind: Oh! Well you MUST visit Crestone!
    Korel Laloix: I willl put it on the list of places to consider.
    Storm Nordwind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crestone,_Colorado
    Storm Nordwind: More and diverse spiritual centers per square foot than anywhere else I've been
    Korel Laloix: THis wil be interestings, Erin wants to stay in hotels a lot and I want to tent a lot.
    Korel Laloix: THis wil either make or break us.... lol
    Storm Nordwind: haha!
    Korel Laloix: Looks interesting.
    Storm Nordwind: Worth a small detour if you're around Alamosa
    Korel Laloix: We inteded to sty there for a bit.
    Korel Laloix: See the sand dunes and do the train ride thing.
    Storm Nordwind: Sure. Then Crestone, IMHO, is a must too
    Korel Laloix: OK.
    Korel Laloix: It is on the list.
    Storm Nordwind: :)
    Korel Laloix: Erin only has three weeks and one of those weeks in unpaid.
    Korel Laloix: But I might take off by myself and add a couple.
    Korel Laloix: We will see how my backside does with my new seat and if the bike survives.

    Thin air.

    Storm Nordwind: How are you with coping with altitude?
    Korel Laloix: oh.
    Korel Laloix: Never thought of that.
    Korel Laloix: NEver really been up mountains before.
    Storm Nordwind: 8000ft+ can take some people a while
    Korel Laloix: THansk for bringing it up.
    Korel Laloix: Realy?
    Korel Laloix: wo.
    Korel Laloix: Wonder how the bike will work.
    Storm Nordwind: Probably OK
    Storm Nordwind: There's a road near here where you can drive up a 14000ft mountain
    Korel Laloix: Will email the closest harely dealer and see what they say.
    Storm Nordwind: I guess people do it!
    Korel Laloix: THat sounds fun.
    Korel Laloix: Comming down does not hough.
    Storm Nordwind: Harley in mountains - supercool! :)))
    Korel Laloix: I have a Buell.
    Korel Laloix: But they are HD products.
    Korel Laloix: Erin has a propper one though.
    Storm Nordwind: Indeed :)
    Korel Laloix: I am looking for options for more miles as well.... the buel does not use much gass, but does not hold much either.
    Storm Nordwind: But it's worth contacting them ahead
    Korel Laloix: I will.. never thought of that.
    Korel Laloix: THanks for the tip.
    Korel Laloix: Odd what you don[t think of.
    Storm Nordwind: For example, to get to Denver (not saying you should, but if you did from there) you'd need to go through the Kenosha Pass - which is 10000ft
    Korel Laloix: OH wow... that is worth doing just to say I did it.
    Storm Nordwind: haha!
    Korel Laloix: Colorado and Oklahoma have some bits that are very different.

    Eating and drinking at altitude.

    Storm Nordwind: My favorite pull-in restaurant is a Nepalese at 8200ft :)
    Korel Laloix: NEver had that sort of food.
    Korel Laloix: Anything like INdian?
    Korel Laloix: My first RL gf was born in Pune.
    Storm Nordwind: Just don't do alcohol at that altitude - a no-no for the inexperienced!
    Korel Laloix: OK... great tip as well.
    Storm Nordwind: Nepalese and Indian have things in common yes
    Korel Laloix: It jus hits you harder?
    Korel Laloix: I dont like to drink and camp at al.
    Korel Laloix: LOve INdian food.
    Korel Laloix: Her mom could just barely tollerate me, but she could so cook.
    Storm Nordwind: I remember my first experience at 8500ft visiting Colorado for the first time before I moved here, with two small bottles of (hard) cider - the room would not stop spinning!
    Korel Laloix: Nice.
    Korel Laloix: I have had afew of those nights.
    Storm Nordwind: Good Indian food seems VERY hard to get in the US. But I was spoilt in the UK
    Korel Laloix: I have learned how to find it. Celeste taught me.
    Korel Laloix: Mainly a nose thing..... lol
    Storm Nordwind: I need to know as I guess my standards are very high!
    Korel Laloix: When we went on raod trips we would drive up toa place and she wouls just smell and then most of the time we would just go find some italian..
    Korel Laloix: But I know what she was smeling for.
    Korel Laloix: Yes, I spent thee weeks in the UK and the INdian food there was lovely.
    Storm Nordwind: Sure. I now do the same here as I've been disappointed so many times
    Korel Laloix: her mom would not eat Indian food out in the US>
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Storm Nordwind: Mostly Mughlai here it seems
    Korel Laloix: I regret not keeping up with what she taught me.
    Korel Laloix: I was learning some Hindi and PUnjabi.

    Rule #1.

    Storm Nordwind: Rule number one of Indian cuisine: first, fry your spices! :)
    Korel Laloix: But it just did not work out, and I so did not get along with her family anyway.
    Archmage Atlantis: What one has been taught, if truely taught, remains
    Korel Laloix: You sohuld fry or roast spices for any food first in my opinion.
    Storm Nordwind: True Arch.
    Archmage Atlantis: Agree with rule 1
    Storm Nordwind: And true Korel!
    Korel Laloix: I always do at least.
    Korel Laloix: But I love to cook.
    Korel Laloix: I gues that was the only thing her mom and I had in common.
    Korel Laloix: We cooked well together.
    Korel Laloix: SO some good times.
    Archmage Atlantis: Spices pick up so much flavor from roasting in the oil with the onions, or whatever
    Storm Nordwind: Yes Arch. And the oil picks up so much flavor in return to penetrate the rest of the food
    Korel Laloix: I have a small collection of pre spiced oils that I make.
    Storm Nordwind: Nice!
    Korel Laloix: Just to start out my cooking when I want.
    Korel Laloix: Have one for just jeat.
    Korel Laloix: heat

    Close living.

    Archmage Atlantis: Cooking together is the most close form of living with another I can think of......after that, having a meal together
    Korel Laloix: One for Italian, Mexian, INdian, just garlic,
    Storm Nordwind: I agree Arch
    Storm Nordwind: And that sounds wonderful Korel
    Korel Laloix: True, it is a very drawing experince cooking.
    Korel Laloix: Something very satisfying toit on so many differnt levels.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i also have very pleasant memory´s about cooking together :)
    Archmage Atlantis: When I make my tomato sauce, I put the dried herbs in the hot oil briefly also, not like spices though, herbs are more fragile

    Cooking for others.

    Korel Laloix: One thing I find a bit odd about me though, I don't have many typicaly female oritented thoughts or tendancies... But I do get a sort of instictual rush from cooking for men that I don't get for cooking for women.
    Korel Laloix: Trying to figure that one out in my brain.
    Archmage Atlantis: It is then I feel most shamanic
    Storm Nordwind: Interesting Korel. I just find that cooking for someone else is the key. I can't be bothered just for myself.
    Korel Laloix: That is very true.
    Archmage Atlantis: I bother, even for myself
    Korel Laloix: If it is just me, rammen and wine.. lol
    Archmage Atlantis: So if another comes by to share, I am ready
    Storm Nordwind: That is a noble approach Arch, worthy of respect :)
    Korel Laloix: When grandma goes ans stays with her sisters of sons, I loose weight.
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Korel Laloix: TOo bad ther is not rewarding SL cooking.
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah, grandma has not learned to cook as shaman in the new world
    Korel Laloix: lol

    Shamanic cooking.

    Storm Nordwind: Shamanism and cooking... hmmm... that's a powerful revelation!
    Korel Laloix: Grandma does not know how to cook aything except fried, so I do most o hte cooking.
    Archmage Atlantis: Appears it is up to you to do that, small one
    Korel Laloix: I am still not fully comfortable with the term Shamen.
    Archmage Atlantis: The Coyote and the Badger taught me
    Korel Laloix: What does it mean to you?
    Archmage Atlantis: It means to me to be a part of alll experience around me.......no matter which culture it arises from
    Storm Nordwind: Hard to say in a nutshell. Working habitually with worlds that most ignore, perhaps?

    Medicine women.

    Korel Laloix: My twin aunts are medicine women, and they claim that term.
    Archmage Atlantis: Perhaps, Storm.......or perhaps not ignore, just not to hear the beauty
    Korel Laloix: But when you look at it, they are just stoners... lol... so that is why I think I dont have agood feel for it.
    Archmage Atlantis: I would like to meet them, Korel......and I am no stoner
    Korel Laloix: Come by Tulsa sometime and I wil set you up..

    The reputation of shamans.

    Storm Nordwind: Shamans have a reputation - perhaps not justified, but a reputation nevertheless - of doing more than appreciating the beauty of worlds. They are people with jobs to do, purposes to accomplish, deals to strike - rather than just Being in what is there in its fullness.
    Archmage Atlantis: Knowledge is more than science, tho science is born of knowledge
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes....what you say Storm is true
    Archmage Atlantis: I have a job in this life
    Archmage Atlantis: It has been difficult to accept
    Storm Nordwind: But one you know?
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes
    Storm Nordwind: Who gave you this job?
    Archmage Atlantis: My genes, my memes, my history, my parents
    Storm Nordwind: Are you driven, or are you driving?
    Korel Laloix: OK. going to go have a nice glass of wine and a soak (no, a glass of wine in teh tub is OK before lunch).
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Korel!
    Korel Laloix: Thanks for the chat.
    Korel Laloix: New stuff to think about.
    Korel Laloix: do na da go hv i
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and Namaste, Korel
    Korel Laloix: Namaskar
    Archmage Atlantis: Namaskar

    Am I authentic?

    Archmage Atlantis: You asked me questions, Storm, that relate to my being authentic
    Archmage Atlantis: I do not know if I am
    Storm Nordwind: To ask that very question, is to be authentic :)
    Storm Nordwind: But it is not a black and white thing. You are not only just in one place or another place. There is a journey.
    Storm Nordwind: From one point of view, you might say there is no journey, no separation, all is integrated. But when seeking authenticity, or even contemplating it, it may help to use the metaphor.

    Disagreeing with the flow.

    Archmage Atlantis: I am not integrated, though all things may be. I do see, at times, a path to follow......others choose
    Storm Nordwind: Or you could put a positive spin on it, and see it as "going with the flow" :)
    Archmage Atlantis: At times, I do not agree with the flow
    Storm Nordwind smiles

    An aged cat.

    Archmage Atlantis: I will tell a story
    Storm Nordwind: It's probably an overused term.
    Storm Nordwind: Please do :)
    Archmage Atlantis: My 17 yo cat, Nimbus, is fading in this world
    Archmage Atlantis: I have allowed him to sleep in my arms
    Archmage Atlantis: He prefers my chest, but having his butt in my face is not my thing
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Archmage Atlantis: So this morning, I awoke with a start from a dream
    Archmage Atlantis: I bumped Nim
    Archmage Atlantis: And he pee'd on me
    Archmage Atlantis: First time that has ever happened
    Archmage Atlantis: I've asked my friends for options
    Archmage Atlantis: All are (1) putting him down
    Archmage Atlantis: (2) locking him out of my room
    Archmage Atlantis: or (3).....those are your only options
    Archmage Atlantis: As shaman, I wait for the answer
    Storm Nordwind: Nimbus is 95 years old in human terms. What would be the options for a 95 year old human?
    Archmage Atlantis: As none given satisfy me
    Archmage Atlantis: The same for a 95 yo human
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, appreaciate that he´s still with you, if it happens again, then I would think of options
    Archmage Atlantis: It will happen again Yaku
    Archmage Atlantis: He is old

    Inconvenient parts of life.

    Storm Nordwind: At the start of life, and at the end of life, these things happen. It's part of life.
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Storm
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, there issues are there is a market, maybe you could try cat diaper
    Archmage Atlantis: My Mom changed my Dad's diapers till he died
    Archmage Atlantis: Where is knowing, and being, at the beginning and end of this thing we calll life
    Storm Nordwind: We seem to have built a culture that likes to ignore these parts of life, in which they make an inconvenient mess. But that doesn't make them go away.
    Archmage Atlantis: Agree, Storm

    All is change.

    Archmage Atlantis: My transhumanist friends seem to think that becoming virtual will solve this.......I do not agree
    Archmage Atlantis: Even in the energy of the galaxy, the universe, the multi-verse, there is both life and death
    Storm Nordwind: Having a foot in two worlds means you have the problems of two worlds to contend with, not just one! :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, that is why I am shaman, Storm
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Storm Nordwind: All is change.
    Storm Nordwind: Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
    Archmage Atlantis: Dang, for a straight guy with kids, not to bad on the French
    Storm Nordwind looks up the word "straight" ... hmmm... ;)
    Arisia Vita: Hi all
    Arisia Vita: good to see you all
    Storm Nordwind: Hello there!
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello, Ari
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ari

    Rationing the drums and respecting the poets.

    Archmage Atlantis: Still thinks there should be drums and a village dance :)
    Storm Nordwind: On Wednesdays
    Archmage Atlantis: k
    Storm Nordwind: They're rationed "lest one god custom should corrupt the world"
    Storm Nordwind: *good
    Archmage Atlantis: god was the correct word
    Storm Nordwind: Not the one Tennyson used! :)
    Archmage Atlantis: And we respect Tennyson in all thought?......I don't
    Archmage Atlantis: I like to sample thought
    Storm Nordwind: I respect no poet in all thought (especially Tennyson as it happens!)
    Archmage Atlantis: Sort of a rap thinker.....tho I detest that idea
    Storm Nordwind: Nor do I expect it of my own thought
    Storm Nordwind: Call it "refining" and "eclectic" then instead!


    Archmage Atlantis: You created this sim Storm........when you did it, what was in your thoughts?
    Storm Nordwind: service
    Storm Nordwind: beauty
    Storm Nordwind: freedom for opportunity
    Storm Nordwind: but mostly service
    Arisia Vita: serving and helping are closely related words
    Storm Nordwind: Related - sometimes yes. Though helping can be full of self-interest. I suspect serving is less so.
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Ari.....still there is a conflict in those words and the word freedom
    Arisia Vita: does serving imply a master?
    Arisia Vita: does helping imply a receiver?
    Storm Nordwind: Ah... "freedom for opportunity" was "providing others with the freedom of opportunity for their creative expression"
    Archmage Atlantis: only you are worthy of answering your own questions, Ari
    Arisia Vita: whom then do we serve?
    Arisia Vita: and help?
    Storm Nordwind: I agree with Arch. Only an individual can answer those questions for themselves. There is no blanket rule.
    Arisia Vita: then let each of us answer for ourselves...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how to direct our self interest into a postive moment for a broader group of people
    Arisia Vita: my purpose in asking was to learn what each of you thought
    Yakuzza Lethecus: *appraciates to see a cat hunting in the fields right now
    Storm Nordwind: I do not serve a master. I serve no individual person.
    Archmage Atlantis: A snow leopard or Florida panther, I hope :)
    Arisia Vita: not even yourself?
    Storm Nordwind: All are worthy of service, no?
    Arisia Vita: All are worthy of love
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Storm....all are
    Storm Nordwind: And how better to express love?
    Archmage Atlantis: And with service comes decision, and with decision come comflict
    Arisia Vita: to serve, to help, to care, are part of love, important parts

    Living the dream.

    Archmage Atlantis: One of the conversations I remember best from this circle was with Riddle
    Archmage Atlantis: He has a son
    Archmage Atlantis: College age
    Archmage Atlantis: He was thinking those of us, our generation, did not achieve our dream
    Arisia Vita: dream?
    Storm Nordwind: The son was thinking that?
    Archmage Atlantis: (Remember, this is my memory.....he may not see the same)
    Archmage Atlantis: The father had a dream
    Archmage Atlantis: of equality, love, nobility
    Archmage Atlantis: His son was being it
    Archmage Atlantis: Yet the father was measuring inaccurately
    Arisia Vita: we, our generation, do not serve our dreams, we aspire to them
    Arisia Vita: If you can dream, and not make dreams your master, If you can think, and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster and treat those two impostors just the same; Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it. - Rudyard Kipling
    Storm Nordwind: Indeed - if you do that, the Earth is yours already
    Archmage Atlantis: As a gay man, growing up in the segregated south, I did not see the changes until I was allowed to speak with the men who would have been my grandchildren.......should I have ever had the opportunity to have a child
    Storm Nordwind nods

    Changes the future may hold.

    Arisia Vita: what changes did you see?
    Archmage Atlantis: I see an ability to look past the older points of view
    Archmage Atlantis: I do not see Nirvana
    Arisia Vita: do you see the future? at least part of it?
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Ari, I do.....that is not something that plays well in the mall.......still Star told me who I was to be
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Arisia Vita: is "playing well in the mall" important?
    Archmage Atlantis: At times, yes, Ari
    Arisia Vita: It is a very lonely life that a man leads, who becomes aware of truths before their times. -- Thomas Brackett Reed
    Storm Nordwind: Alone but not necessarily lonely :)
    Archmage Atlantis: When you wish upon a star....jiminy cricket
    Storm Nordwind: Ah... a cultural reference that thankfully escaped me I expect! ;)
    Archmage Atlantis: I do lady gaga also
    Storm Nordwind: In stereo?
    Archmage Atlantis: Geez, what happened to quadrophenia
    Archmage Atlantis: Or wall of sound

    Overcome by lack of sleep.

    Storm Nordwind: I find many people do not know what to do with information on the future when given it, even though they are drawn to it with a morbid fascination like moths to a flame.
    Arisia Vita: can you give an example Storm?
    Archmage Atlantis: The Hindi wise men with the elephant...
    Storm Nordwind: I was trying hard to think of one... but lack of sleep seems to be overcoming me!
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah, a sigh
    Archmage Atlantis: time to close
    Archmage Atlantis: Night pilgrims.......R Ragen
    Arisia Vita: rest then my friend, we will meet again in that future which beckons us all
    Storm Nordwind: Bye for now! :)
    Arisia Vita: bye
    Arisia Vita: bye Yak, be well and happy
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye ari

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