2011.05.12 19:00 - Grateful Dead, Stylish chickens, Mexican Food, Happy Buddha Joy in the Moment!

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Paradise Tennant. The comments are by Paradise, stevenaia, Lucinda, Machete ,iwandertoo, Storm ,Alfred, and Barcelona

    stevenaia Michinaga: hi paradise, Lucinda
    Lucinda Lavender: hi Paradise and steve
    Lucinda Lavender: Wonders what dark star is...
    stevenaia Michinaga: new dress Paradise?
    stevenaia Michinaga: Darkstar is where Greatful Dead heads go to listen to streaming feeds of concerts
    Paradise Tennant: smiles sorry
    Lucinda Lavender: oh...:)
    Paradise Tennant: hiya lucinda :) hiya stev
    Lucinda Lavender: I was one once:)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Paradise Tennant: was distracted for a moment
    Lucinda Lavender: saw a few concerts etc:)
    Paradise Tennant: old dress :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: they had a Paul Simon concert there the other night
    Paradise Tennant: nice !
    stevenaia Michinaga: I am sleepie so I will either be constantly babbling or very quiet tonight
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: much like any other night
    Lucinda Lavender: I am cooking so will have to leave shortly for a bit
    Paradise Tennant: ahh what is on the menu ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: what are you cooking?
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at steve and hands him a pillow
    Lucinda Lavender: chicken in chipotle sauce in tortilla with cilantro
    Lucinda Lavender: and home made yogurt
    Paradise Tennant: yummmmmies
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Paradise Tennant: sounds delicious
    Lucinda Lavender: I was asked to try this idea using the can of chipotle that we found...
    Lucinda Lavender: and it is peppy
    Paradise Tennant: hmm adventure in the kitchen
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: found?
    Machete Cardalines: chipotle = never a bad idea!
    Lucinda Lavender: found at the store
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Machete
    Lucinda Lavender: hi machete:)
    stevenaia Michinaga: oh
    Machete Cardalines: howdy :)
    Paradise Tennant: often will buy things I cannot identify in grocery stores
    Paradise Tennant: nice to add mystery to the everyday
    Paradise Tennant: sorry bell
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Machete Cardalines: thank you bell ^^
    Lucinda Lavender: love chipotle's smokiness
    Machete Cardalines: oh yeah, me too, I gotta admit that Chipotle is my favorite hot pepper by far
    Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya machete :)
    Machete Cardalines: hiya Paradise :)
    Machete Cardalines: sometimes spicy food works way better than caffeine at waking me up in the morning :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: don’t think I ever had Chiplote sauce, but seems to be all the rage
    Paradise Tennant: smiles .. taste is such a nice part of life
    Machete Cardalines: it is good, but I just don't like it when chipotle is mixed with sweet things, like mango, just not used to it
    Machete Cardalines: oh yeah it is Paradise :)
    Lucinda Lavender: my husband cooked the canned ones with some tomato onion garlic etc
    Paradise Tennant: a connection that is straight to the brain
    Machete Cardalines: like smell too
    stevenaia Michinaga: taste
    Lucinda Lavender: we made homemade chile rellenos this week
    Machete Cardalines: yumm! xD
    Lucinda Lavender: with a real mexican cheese
    Lucinda Lavender: new for us also
    Machete Cardalines: Mexican cheese is the best...but of course I'm biased being from there xD
    Lucinda Lavender: with lots of eggs from the chickens we explore with them you might say
    Lucinda Lavender: nice Machete
    Paradise Tennant: how is your chicken doing Lucinda :)
    Lucinda Lavender: so do you like to cook too?
    Lucinda Lavender: ok enough...
    Lucinda Lavender: the chicken seems not to be laying
    Machete Cardalines: awww
    Paradise Tennant: but she is comfortable ?
    Lucinda Lavender: but it is comfortable yes
    Paradise Tennant: maybe after all the discomfort she thinks laying is lame
    Lucinda Lavender: nodding:)
    Lucinda Lavender: and then too she is young
    Lucinda Lavender: just lagging a bit behind the other pullet
    Lucinda Lavender: wonder if she has trouble making the shell
    Paradise Tennant: pullet rivalry :)
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Machete have you ever had chickens?
    Paradise Tennant: have this vivid image of you blow drying her feathers :)
    Machete Cardalines: no never, are they good pets?
    Machete Cardalines: I'm a total city slicker xD
    Lucinda Lavender: it was really true...after the bath...hair dryer. pretty good pets yes
    Machete Cardalines: it would be nice to have chickens, maybe someday when I'm not living in a tiny apartment in the middle of a big city :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: how often do you bathe them?
    Paradise Tennant: thinks the little chicken  might be ready to book a weekly appt may even ask you for clawicure? :)
    Machete Cardalines: can you tell when chickens are in a bad mood?
    Lucinda Lavender: well only once did I try the bath because of her being egg bound
    Paradise Tennant: smiles you are good mom :)
    Lucinda Lavender: they cackle with an alarming noise
    Lucinda Lavender: it was not unpleasant really
    Lucinda Lavender: the bathing
    Lucinda Lavender: or they kind of hide if they are sick
    Lucinda Lavender: so as not to show weakness
    Machete Cardalines: that's kind of cute :)
    Machete Cardalines: chickens not so different from us!
    Paradise Tennant: smiles we are all the same :)
    Machete Cardalines: so true :)
    Paradise Tennant: watched an little english bull terrier .. bounce a soccer ball on her head 8 times tonight
    Paradise Tennant: flushed with triumph she ran a mad circle of glee ..it was her new record
    Lucinda Lavender: quite a bit of awareness there
    Machete Cardalines: awww, super cute! maybe a world record for an English bull terrier! :D
    Paradise Tennant: yes often find they are more aware of parts of life than we are ..they do not suffer from the same amount of mental chatter and clutter I think more in the moment
    Paradise Tennant: wise :)
    Machete Cardalines: exatly, we do have so much mental clutter! it's hard to keep what's important distinguished form all the background noise
    Machete Cardalines: at least in my head I find that happening often
    Machete Cardalines: hiya Susan :)
    Paradise Tennant: hello susan :)) gtsy :)
    iwandertoo Resident: waves (on mobile...txt only)
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    Paradise Tennant: hmm back to the 9 sec breaks
    Paradise Tennant: ways to remember to be still
    Paradise Tennant: do it will smell and colour quite a bit
    Paradise Tennant: will really focus on a smell and let everything else drift away
    Paradise Tennant: or wrap in a colour and kind of submerge in it
    Paradise Tennant: very restful
    Machete Cardalines: I like that Paradise :) I gotta try it sometime, but since I got a cold in RL and am congested, maybe I'll try the color rather than the smell xD
    Paradise Tennant: smiles :)
    Lucinda Lavender: some kinds of thoughts...seem much less helpful
    Paradise Tennant: green is a good colour when you do not feel well
    Machete Cardalines: green like trees and life :)
    Paradise Tennant: yes .. really our thoughts are the makers our problems we are so attached to thinking and we really do not need to think so much
    Paradise Tennant: waves to observerm :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Susan:)
    Lucinda Lavender: Observer:)
    iwandertoo Resident: hi Luci
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    Machete Cardalines: so true Paradise :)
    Lucinda Lavender: erased that statement
    Lucinda Lavender: I was thinking about worry
    Lucinda Lavender: and the energy that gets tied up in that
    Machete Cardalines: worry takes so much mental space sometimes, and worry is often times about things that don't end up happening anyway...yeah, sucks up so much energy
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hi susan
    Lucinda Lavender: mindfull ness
    iwandertoo Resident: waves :)
    Lucinda Lavender: what does that word bring to mind
    Lucinda Lavender: ?
    iwandertoo Resident: non-contradiction
    Lucinda Lavender: hi strorm:)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Storm
    Machete Cardalines: mindfulness, for me brings to mind, stopping for a minute, taking a deep breath, and trying to clear the mind a little bit
    Paradise Tennant: yes our thoughts either make energy or destroy it :)
    Storm Nordwind: Hello all
    Paradise Tennant: hiya storm:)
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Machete Cardalines: waves
    Lucinda Lavender: mind full awareness seems to me to be the stepping back from an agenda
    Lucinda Lavender: to just being
    Paradise Tennant: yes surrender
    Paradise Tennant: acceptance
    Paradise Tennant: eyes open :)
    Machete Cardalines: yeah :)
    Paradise Tennant: everything open:)
    Lucinda Lavender: and it can both be a struggle to stay there as well as a rest
    Lucinda Lavender: in my mind anyway
    Lucinda Lavender: struggle just because there is such a tendency to jump back in
    Machete Cardalines: true, a struggle to stay there, but so restful once one stays there for a bit
    Paradise Tennant: well in an open state your ego does not have much to do
    Lucinda Lavender: hmmm yes
    Lucinda Lavender: giving the ego part a back seat:)
    Paradise Tennant: we are builders, fabricators of illusions :)
    Machete Cardalines: so true Paradise, and beautifully put
    Machete Cardalines: (afk)
    Paradise Tennant: I guess awareness is the ability to truly see what is ..what should be cherished versus what is illusion :)
    Paradise Tennant: not so easy as it sounds
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Storm Nordwind: When the sun of awareness rises, gradually the shadows of illusion get less and less and you cease to notice them.
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at Storm's sunshine
    Lucinda Lavender: nicely put
    Machete Cardalines: I need one of those suns xD
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: sleep arrives quietly, I depart quietly, night al
    Lucinda Lavender: night:) Steve
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Paradise Tennant: good nite Stev sweet dreams of travel and adventure
    Machete Cardalines: I gotta take off too, thank you for the wonderful conversation as usual :) have a beautiful night
    Lucinda Lavender: nice to meet you machete:)
    Storm Nordwind: Hope to see you again :)
    Machete Cardalines: likewise! :)
    iwandertoo Resident: waves...best to everyone
    Paradise Tennant: good nite machete :) enjoy your evening
    Paradise Tennant: good nite susan:)
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Susan!
    Lucinda Lavender: Paradise...I had a dream about brightly colored net skirts to wear
    Paradise Tennant: listens and smiles
    Paradise Tennant: have one of those in turquoise :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I was excited to try one on
    Lucinda Lavender: they were for children to dress up in...and I thought one might just fit me
    Paradise Tennant: ahhh you inner child dressing up :)
    Lucinda Lavender: children these days are wearing them...
    Lucinda Lavender: very ruffly
    Lucinda Lavender: this morning dreamt of water being diverted right through a house
    Paradise Tennant: sometimes something like that is swishy to wear makes you feel very different
    Lucinda Lavender: a change of stream direction required this adjustment
    Paradise Tennant: ooo
    Paradise Tennant: hmmm
    Lucinda Lavender: then listened to the news
    Lucinda Lavender: and people are wondering if they can stay in their houses these days
    Storm Nordwind: Regarding the dream of the skirt... nets are commonly associated with being caught, and the brightness the allure that gets us caught. Yet perhaps if you had put the skirt on, you could have worn it lightly, playfully, without being caught, and just reveled in its beauty.
    Lucinda Lavender: yes storm:)...I think there are these places where is caught...
    Lucinda Lavender: one is caught
    Paradise Tennant: by allure
    Lucinda Lavender: and too...the internet a place of connection
    Storm Nordwind: brb - time for bread to come out of the oven! ...
    Lucinda Lavender: sounds nice!
    Paradise Tennant: breathes in :)
    Lucinda Lavender: smells bread
    Paradise Tennant: love the smell of bread
    Storm Nordwind: It's gorgeous :)
    Paradise Tennant: hmm hoping it is cheese bread :) with 3 kinds of cheese :)
    Lucinda Lavender: what kind storm?
    Storm Nordwind: My own recipe: 2 parts wheat and malted barley and 1 part rye ... and NO sugar :)
    Paradise Tennant: honey?
    Storm Nordwind: Nope
    Paradise Tennant: orange juice
    Storm Nordwind: No added sweetness over the malted barley flour
    Lucinda Lavender: is the malted barley a flour?
    Paradise Tennant: hmm and it is enough for the yeast to grow :)
    Storm Nordwind: Yup!
    Lucinda Lavender: sounds delicious
    Storm Nordwind: I use King Arthur Unbleached Bread Flour and Hodgson Mill Stoneground Rye.
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Lucinda Lavender: takes a note
    Paradise Tennant: lol here too :)
    Paradise Tennant: always good to have options that are sugar free :)
    Storm Nordwind: Email me for a recipe :)
    Lucinda Lavender: i do not make the bread around here...my husband does:)
    Paradise Tennant: I make bread if I have company coming :) like the smell usually do a hearth bread or a batarde
    Lucinda Lavender: he does it weekly...such a great thing...
    Paradise Tennant: nice to look forward to little domestic pleasures
    Lucinda Lavender: has recently started a dandelion wine and elder flower one
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Storm Nordwind: Have you tried making elderflower champagne?
    Paradise Tennant: that is cool, my nana use to make wicked dandelion wine :) knock your socks off
    Lucinda Lavender: really!!
    Lucinda Lavender: did you taste?
    Lucinda Lavender: not ever anything elderflower till this one thing
    Lucinda Lavender: I will mention it tho
    Storm Nordwind: There is enough natural yeast in the flowers to give it a light fermentation and all the fizz you need :)
    Lucinda Lavender: :)cool
    Storm Nordwind: But save some flowers on the trees so you get the berries!
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and thinks of tipsy flowers prancing about
    Lucinda Lavender: nodding
    Lucinda Lavender: quite a lot of myth around the elderberry
    Lucinda Lavender: ours just came up on its own
    Lucinda Lavender: today the bees started coming out of their straws
    Lucinda Lavender: they are for pollination but not honey
    Storm Nordwind: Yesterday we had snow, amid the first three days of rain since last summer :)
    Lucinda Lavender: wow! amazing.
    Paradise Tennant: it is like nature just creeps up to you and goes boo sometimes
    Storm Nordwind: hehe!
    Storm Nordwind: Lovely image :))
    Lucinda Lavender: :)))
    Lucinda Lavender: I had best be going:)
    Lucinda Lavender: good night to all:)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles enjoy dinner luci :) thank you for the dreams and conversation :)
    Storm Nordwind: Good to see you!
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...thank you both too:)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles so have you finished your building Storm ?
    Paradise Tennant: or more to do ?
    Storm Nordwind: There's always more to do!
    Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
    Paradise Tennant: hiya barksy :)
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Storm Nordwind: But if you mean on the coast, then yes for a while
    Storm Nordwind: And if you mean here, no there's more to do and still many secrets to unfold! ;))
    Paradise Tennant: we have been talking of elderberrry champagne and home made bread :)
    Paradise Tennant: and storm's many creations :)
    Storm Nordwind: And Luci's dreams
    Paradise Tennant: and beautifully styled chickens :)
    Storm Nordwind: And mindful awareness
    Storm Nordwind: And illusions
    Storm Nordwind: For some strange reason, I have the urge to wash the dog... I must find a way to do it :)
    Paradise Tennant: hiya susan :)
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Storm Nordwind: Welcome back!
    iwandertoo Resident: thank you
    iwandertoo Resident: glad to be here...really here
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    Paradise Tennant: ohh very easy to wash a dog :)
    Storm Nordwind: :)
    Paradise Tennant: do you have a hand held shower :)
    Storm Nordwind: I think I can make one :)
    Paradise Tennant: little natural shampoo :) and you are all set
    Paradise Tennant: brush blue's teeth with the electric toothbrush ..he has a hollywood smile
    Paradise Tennant: beef toothpaste :)
    Storm Nordwind: You don't think his boxes would go all soggy?
    Paradise Tennant: a prim pup ?
    Storm Nordwind: Maybe we could just put shampoo in the pool and throw a bone in there
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at alfred :) looks pretty clean to me :)
    Paradise Tennant: no tell tale bit of seawead butcher's string .. general brick a brack
    Storm Nordwind: Clean? Oh I don't know. And we won't know unless we try. ;)
    Paradise Tennant: oooo  no barksy is  trembling
    Storm Nordwind is obviously feeling too tired and silly for serious conversation, and should leave matters of gravity to others :)
    Paradise Tennant: there is a certain equality to a dog bath ...usually find I get equally wet
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    Storm Nordwind: And scarred - if you try it with a cat
    Paradise Tennant: but for a few moments have a crazy puppy in the house who just tears it up running all round .. bed to couch to bed .. rolling snorting and like a 4 month old
    Paradise Tennant: fun just to see that happen
    iwandertoo Resident: hi Luci
    Storm Nordwind: Welcome back!
    Lucinda Lavender: HI:)
    Storm Nordwind: (Second sitting)
    Lucinda Lavender: is it dog bathing time?
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...came with a question...
    Storm Nordwind: He's not run away yet, so it must be
    Alfred Kelberry: luci :)
    Lucinda Lavender: waves too
    Alfred Kelberry: one would think the session starts at 8 :)
    Lucinda Lavender: wondered where you made the elderflower champagnestorm...and how long ago...?
    Storm Nordwind: In England I think was the last. Probably 10 years ago.
    Lucinda Lavender: :)ok...
    Storm Nordwind: Because?
    Lucinda Lavender: just was questioned about it...curious about the circumstances I guess...
    Storm Nordwind: Ah... elder is very common throughout England. It's a traditional springtime drink.
    Lucinda Lavender: I bet there isn't a b in that circumstance word:)
    Lucinda Lavender: ah..yes my husband reads lots of blogs from over there...
    Storm Nordwind thinks perhaps Luci has bees on the brain
    Paradise Tennant: http://www.jamieoliver.com/forum/vie...c.php?id=31786
    Alfred Kelberry: naked cook
    Lucinda Lavender: well I got to watch a few mason bees come out today:) and we have a lot of bread and Beer here:)
    Paradise Tennant: http://www.elderberries.com/elderflo...es-champagnes/
    Alfred Kelberry: beer? you make it, luci?
    Storm Nordwind: The berry wine recipe on that page but only a teaser on the flower champagne!
    Paradise Tennant: hmmmm I use to make stove top beer and dishwasher jam :) both are super easy
    Storm Nordwind now sees the second page!
    Alfred Kelberry: it's funny how this emicon is blue :) http://www.jamieoliver.com/forum/img...lies/yummy.gif
    Storm Nordwind made lots of prize winning beer in England
    Paradise Tennant: you know storm that after this you will be dusting off your champagne making gear :)
    Lucinda Lavender: great link...
    Storm Nordwind: Nah... I've stopped making the stuff since emigrating
    Lucinda Lavender: link
    Lucinda Lavender: well great pondering to you all...
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Luci!
    Lucinda Lavender: bye for real now!
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Paradise Tennant: smiles yes I should go too ..eyes are heavy will dream of champagne that is a lovely red colour :)
    iwandertoo Resident: nite, Paradise
    Storm Nordwind: Goodnight Paradise!
    Paradise Tennant: thank you luci, storm, barksy , susan, stev .. machete for company ..the conversation .. the encouragement to make fizzy drinks :)
    Alfred Kelberry: para :)
    Storm Nordwind sometimes feels (with all this playful talk of food and drink) rather like the Happy Chinaman in the well-known Zen story. :)
    iwandertoo Resident: what is the story?
    Storm Nordwind: Hehe - as they said when I was very small "Are you sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin" :) ...
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    Storm Nordwind: (Copied from the web...)
    Storm Nordwind: "Anyone walking about Chinatowns in America with observe statues of a stout fellow carrying a linen sack. Chinese merchants call him Happy Chinaman or Laughing Buddha....
    Storm Nordwind: "This Hotei lived in the T'ang dynasty. He had no desire to call himself a Zen master or to gather many disciples about him. Instead he walked the streets with a big sack into which he would put gifts of candy, fruit, or doughnuts. These he would give to children who gathered around him in play. He established a kindergarten of the streets...
    Storm Nordwind: Whenever he met a Zen devotee he would extend his hand and say: "Give me one penny." And if anyone asked him to return to a temple to teach others, again he would reply: "Give me one penny." ...
    Storm Nordwind: Once he was about his play-work another Zen master happened along and inquired: "What is the significance of Zen?" ...
    Storm Nordwind: Hotei immediately plopped his sack down on the ground in silent answer. ...
    Storm Nordwind: "Then," asked the other, "what is the actualization of Zen?" ...
    Storm Nordwind: At once the Happy Chinaman swung the sack over his shoulder and continued on his way.
    Storm Nordwind: (end of story)
    iwandertoo Resident: (not certain i get it)
    Storm Nordwind: Simply joy in every moment, pausing to be aware and seeing what is Being. Then applying that joyfully will getting on with one's life
    Storm Nordwind: *will -> while
    iwandertoo Resident: nods
    Storm Nordwind: It is very like a story of Play as Being in many ways!
    iwandertoo Resident: what is the purpose of the penny?
    Storm Nordwind: To buy more contents for the sack to give to children
    iwandertoo Resident: seems the lesson is lost then...
    iwandertoo Resident: but this is where i have it wrong...no lesson...just be
    Alfred Kelberry: isn't any input a lesson of some sort?
    Storm Nordwind: Zen appeals to many in seriousness, to many in humor, to some in plain quirkiness! :)
    iwandertoo Resident: i think so, boxy.
    iwandertoo Resident: smiling re the last comment storm
    iwandertoo Resident: i am exhausted...and not very good company. thank you for this...
    iwandertoo Resident: should sleep
    Storm Nordwind: Ah - don't run yourself down. Thank you for your time!
    iwandertoo Resident: ty both
    iwandertoo Resident: nite
    Storm Nordwind: Bye for now!
    Alfred Kelberry: dharma has many implementations and they seem to get along nicely together
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Alfred Kelberry: i like this diversity and openness
    Alfred Kelberry: you can fork it anytime and it happens constantly
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. And I like the idea that you don't have to accept any of it blindly, no matter who says it. Just accept what rings true to you at the time, and you can save the rest for later!
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, the practical approach
    Alfred Kelberry: besides, you don't have to "give up" your faith if you have one to practice (not believe in) a certain type of dharma teaching
    Storm Nordwind: yes that's true.
    Alfred Kelberry: this is where i agree with early text scholars that westerners got it wrong. buddhism isn't a religion.
    Storm Nordwind: What word would you use to set westerners straight?
    Alfred Kelberry: tradition
    Storm Nordwind: It's quite hard to encapsulate in the way that the western mind so often demands!
    Alfred Kelberry: i think it's changing slowly
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. I hasn't been here for long. A hundred years or so and only half that being widely known.
    Alfred Kelberry: buddhism psychology course in berkeley is a good example of it
    Storm Nordwind: Oh?
    Alfred Kelberry: http://webcast.berkeley.edu/course_d...d=2008-D-74171
    Storm Nordwind: Cool. I'll take a listen in a day or two
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, it's named even better: buddhist psychology
    Storm Nordwind: I noticed, yes!
    Alfred Kelberry: here, even i got this -ism in my head
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Alfred Kelberry: she (eleanor rosch) starts with history and goes on describing various practices in both traditional and psychology context. they also do meditations.
    Alfred Kelberry: barca :)
    Storm Nordwind: Very interesting. What do you think will be the main learning outcomes for students?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi folks
    Storm Nordwind: Hello!
    Barcalona Rhapsody: i was early awake this morning
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ny daughter is climbing the Fuli mountain today
    Barcalona Rhapsody: my
    Barcalona Rhapsody: fuji
    Barcalona Rhapsody: in japan
    Barcalona Rhapsody: for holiday
    Barcalona Rhapsody: so i wanted to state that here
    Barcalona Rhapsody: maybe nice for pila
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or pema
    Alfred Kelberry: storm... first word that comes up is awareness. expanded awareness, which may not say much, but i could go as far as to call it a fast paced course to maturity. in terms of life experience.
    Storm Nordwind: Wow - that's an impressive sales pitch! :)
    Alfred Kelberry: heh, thank you :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: i go to the awareness campaign for science
    Barcalona Rhapsody: called beauti of science
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, barca! that's great :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: beauty
    Barcalona Rhapsody: in Leiden today
    Alfred Kelberry: fuji hiking...
    Barcalona Rhapsody: see museum "boerhaave"
    Barcalona Rhapsody: look for schoonheid in wetenschap
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or beauty of science
    Alfred Kelberry: what's in leiden? vacation?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: there is a same exhibition in Rotterdam
    Storm Nordwind: It seems so long since I was in Leiden...
    Barcalona Rhapsody: leiden is university city
    Barcalona Rhapsody: oldest in netherlands
    Barcalona Rhapsody: see also museum boymans van beuningen in Rotterdam
    Alfred Kelberry: i mean, what are you doing there? :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: following a symposium
    Alfred Kelberry: ah
    Barcalona Rhapsody: about beauty in science
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, art meets science?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: as a way for stimulating interest in life science
    Barcalona Rhapsody: no ppl meet sciece by art
    Barcalona Rhapsody: science
    Barcalona Rhapsody: by way of its beauty
    Barcalona Rhapsody: the same as www.beautyofscience.org
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but than in Dutch
    Alfred Kelberry: heh, the site looks so 90s :)
    Alfred Kelberry: barca, can you give an example of "beauty in science"?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: cell photo's of algae
    Barcalona Rhapsody: no i meant another site
    Barcalona Rhapsody: maybe
    Barcalona Rhapsody: www.beautyofscience.com
    Barcalona Rhapsody: no i have to look up ingoogle an australian site
    Storm Nordwind used to work 20km down the road from Leiden :)
    Alfred Kelberry: hmm, i would think of beauty in math terms. as an elegant model maybe that in peculiar form connects with art.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sorry it was www.beautyinscience,com
    Alfred Kelberry: i have an example in my head, but i have to look up the details...
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and when u see "beauty in science" on youtube
    Storm Nordwind: Fibonacci is probably the most frequetnly cited example Alfred
    Barcalona Rhapsody: u will see the exhibition in rotterdam museum boymans
    Storm Nordwind: And more recently, fractals
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure storm
    Alfred Kelberry: storm, yes... well popularized
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure fractals are a good way
    Barcalona Rhapsody: in rotterdam they have an exhibition of pictures from science
    Barcalona Rhapsody: they can be more beautiful than art
    Barcalona Rhapsody: than modern art
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, ok, here it is: one species of fish (argyropelecus olfersi) is a linier transformation of the other (sternoptyx diphana) :))
    Alfred Kelberry: i get a bonus point for typing the names :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: just watch the pictures
    Barcalona Rhapsody: u don’t have to write the words
    Alfred Kelberry: pictures themselves are not well connected with science as an art, i think
    Barcalona Rhapsody: one picture says more than 1000 words
    Alfred Kelberry: in this sense everything we see is an art
    Barcalona Rhapsody: not yet connected
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but they can in future
    Barcalona Rhapsody: visual art
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or virtual art
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but sorry for interrupting
    Barcalona Rhapsody: your discussion
    Alfred Kelberry: no interruption :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: i just came bye
    Barcalona Rhapsody: by
    Barcalona Rhapsody: along
    Storm Nordwind: What about art forms other than visual?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or how u say that
    Alfred Kelberry: glad you did, barca :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: dropped by
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    Barcalona Rhapsody: good question
    Barcalona Rhapsody: like dancing
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or acting
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but they are also visual
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or u mean performing arts
     Barcalona Rhapsody: or music
    Storm Nordwind: Yes all those
    Barcalona Rhapsody: that can be heard but not seen
    Storm Nordwind: performing arts can be seen but I meant those too
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    Barcalona Rhapsody: good question
    Barcalona Rhapsody: is there also performing science ?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: yes
    Barcalona Rhapsody: beauty of composition
    Barcalona Rhapsody: harmony
    Barcalona Rhapsody: symmetry
    Barcalona Rhapsody: in discussions
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or in think models
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or in government

    Barcalona Rhapsody: rules
    Barcalona Rhapsody: that all can be science
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and that all can be beautiful
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or ugly
    Barcalona Rhapsody: so its more about esthetics in science
    Barcalona Rhapsody: I suppose
    Barcalona Rhapsody: when is something beautiful ?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: what are the characteristics of beauty?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: in science?
    Storm Nordwind: when it seems so to you
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but that’s subjective
    Storm Nordwind: Exactly. It IS subjective :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but some things seem beautiful to more ppl
    Barcalona Rhapsody: why do most ppl like the art of Michelangelo?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: Mona Lisa?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: Rembrandt?
    Storm Nordwind: I haven't asked most people if they do
    Barcalona Rhapsody: van Gogh
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but they sell good
    Barcalona Rhapsody: so some thing all ppl like
    Barcalona Rhapsody: like nature
    Barcalona Rhapsody: things
    Storm Nordwind: To much of a generalization to know whether that's true or not
    Storm Nordwind: *not
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok
    Barcalona Rhapsody: not scientific enough
    Barcalona Rhapsody: not
    Barcalona Rhapsody: it cannot be proven
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but it can be analyzed
    Storm Nordwind: Moreover it need not be proven :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    Barcalona Rhapsody: that would be of use
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or should be of use
    Storm Nordwind: If you're a commercial artist or a printer of art pictures, you go with whatever fashion shows in your sales statistics! :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: so I will learn on the symposium today
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but not only for short term statistics I hope?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: there are also long term statistics
    Storm Nordwind: Long term statistics don't buy bread for you short term :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and some historic evidence
    Barcalona Rhapsody: both are needed
    Barcalona Rhapsody: its just like smoking
    Barcalona Rhapsody: short time benefit long time disaster
    Barcalona Rhapsody: disaster
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but than the other way around
    Barcalona Rhapsody: like learning to enjoy French cheese
    Barcalona Rhapsody: learning
    Storm Nordwind: It's not like smoking because we're talking about preferences, and those are not absolute, across individuals, cultures or time. They change. They are not very predictable. And I like that. :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: its a state of maturity
    Barcalona Rhapsody: me too
    Barcalona Rhapsody: that is not predictable
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but more a feeling of the fingertips
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or intuition
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and so very human
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or creative
    Storm Nordwind: But what is science but amassing observations, forming a hypothesis, and testing the hypothesis to see if predicts something?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: correct storm
    Barcalona Rhapsody: u hit the nail on his head
    Alfred Kelberry: um, barca, I think beauty in science as an art requires an underlying connection to be present. from both sides. artistic appeal and scientific significance. e.g. not a simple picture of algae, but fractals or my linear transformation example.
    Barcalona Rhapsody: history cannot predict future
    Barcalona Rhapsody: future
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok storm I learn from u
    Barcalona Rhapsody: I agree
    Barcalona Rhapsody: its more than a picture of ages
    Barcalona Rhapsody: but Google and face book can predict what u are going to do tomorrow
    Barcalona Rhapsody: face
    Barcalona Rhapsody: by analyzing what u searched for last year
    Storm Nordwind notes Google would have a hard time predicting my tomorrow :)
    Storm Nordwind: Gentlemen, would you both please excuse me? A new day starts for you, but the old one is still finishing for me. I'd best fly my rowboat back to the beach!
    Barcalona Rhapsody: ok have a good night
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sleep well
    Storm Nordwind: Bye for now, and thank you for your time. :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and stand up healthy tomorrow
    Alfred Kelberry: bye stormy boy
    Barcalona Rhapsody: interesting guy
    Barcalona Rhapsody: that storm
    Alfred Kelberry: barca too :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: and u too boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: haha
    Barcalona Rhapsody: on the internet nobody knows u are a dog
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, we're all pretty interesting :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: sure
    Alfred Kelberry: they think i am
    Alfred Kelberry: i can bark even
    Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, enjoy leiden, barca :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: thnx
    Alfred Kelberry: i'm off now as i'm being distracted here
    Barcalona Rhapsody: what time is it with u ?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: u go to bed too ?
    Alfred Kelberry: not yet :)
    Barcalona Rhapsody: or are u European ?
    Barcalona Rhapsody: euro
    Alfred Kelberry: see you, barca
    Barcalona Rhapsody: bye

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