Page last modified 19:12, 19 May 2011 by wol

*Wol Euler was guardian for this chatty and wide-ranging session.*

Wol Euler: good morning, egg

Wol Euler: nice dress

eggsalad Ormstein: nice tag! lol

*My group tag was "Token dull person".*

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: I should change that, since I'm guardian today

*Changed my group tag to "PAB Host".*

eggsalad Ormstein: that's even more dull! hahah

Wol Euler smiles.

eggsalad Ormstein: so what's knew on that side of the pond?

eggsalad Ormstein: new*

Wol Euler: winter again, the temperature dropped by 10 degrees on the weekend

eggsalad Ormstein: funny, so did ours.

Wol Euler: huh

eggsalad Ormstein: down to 24C

Wol Euler: perhaps it's because of Fukushima?!?!?!?!?!? ZOMG

eggsalad Ormstein: or that darn global warming!

eggsalad Ormstein: should be 32c+ here by now

Wol Euler nods.

--BELL--

Wol Euler: "global warming" is a misnomer. The point isn't that it necessarily gets warmer, but that it will change unpredictably and irreversably

eggsalad Ormstein: yes, they gave it a poor name

Wol Euler: there will be deserts where there were swamps, etc

Wol Euler: with all that implies for food production.

eggsalad Ormstein: moving off that topic

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: lead us on

eggsalad Ormstein: you have a very rigorous car inspection in germany? TUV?

Wol Euler: indeed

Wol Euler: rigorous and compulsory every N years, where N reduces with the increasing age of the car

Wol Euler: the inspectors have the right to impound a failing car

eggsalad Ormstein: You see... I am trying to buy a used car off a German ex-pat friend of mine

eggsalad Ormstein: and he tells me it is in very bad condition

Wol Euler: hmmmmmm

eggsalad Ormstein: it is a very old car, -85

eggsalad Ormstein: and I suppose it would fail a rigorous test

Wol Euler: can he perhaps quantify "bad condition"?

eggsalad Ormstein: his idea of "bad condition" is "would fail TUV"

eggsalad Ormstein: but I feel it is in more than adequate condition for its age

Wol Euler: that is still fairly flexible :) I've seen cars on the highways of North America that would fail the TÜV :?

Wol Euler: your standards are far lower than ours

eggsalad Ormstein: most certainly, our standards are far lower, in many states, there is no inspection at all!

Wol Euler: perhaps get him to TÜV it, offering to pay teh inspection costs. If there is structural damage, then you walk away; else you can estimate the cost of repairing in the US

eggsalad Ormstein: nono, you misunderstand

eggsalad Ormstein: the German, the car, and I are all already here!

Wol Euler laughs.

Wol Euler: ah, I see :)

Wol Euler: so it's a fait accompli

eggsalad Ormstein: but it's an ethical dilemma

Wol Euler listens.

eggsalad Ormstein: Since he thinks the car is crap, he is asking far too little money for it

Wol Euler: aaaaaaaaaaaaahhh

eggsalad Ormstein: by about 40%

Wol Euler: and you are torn between fairness and holding on to the money for repairs

eggsalad Ormstein: well, nobody hates a bargain

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: but not at the cost of a friend's disbenefit

eggsalad Ormstein: but I do not want to rob a friend

Wol Euler: right

eggsalad Ormstein: but he's pretty insistent at the low price

Wol Euler: have you let on that it's too low in your opinion, for the US market?

eggsalad Ormstein: "let on"? No, but I try to insist he take more!

Wol Euler: well, you can't twist his arm :)

Wol Euler: are you buying for your use, or to repair and sell for profit?

eggsalad Ormstein: I think I will keep/drive it short term, then resell it when I get tired of the horrible petrol use :)

Wol Euler: heheheh

Wol Euler: okay. Then make one last attempt to buy it at a higher, fairer, price. Then when you sell give him a fair proportion of the win

eggsalad Ormstein: 24L/100km!

Wol Euler: O.O

Wol Euler: those were the days :)

eggsalad Ormstein: yes, i couldn't drive it full-time!

Wol Euler: really :)

eggsalad Ormstein: my current car does 6L/100km

Wol Euler: yep

eggsalad Ormstein: but it is a big off-road truck

Wol Euler: even Porsche gets under 12L now

Wol Euler: apart from the Cayenne

eggsalad Ormstein: I'm still waiting for the VW that does 1L/100km

Wol Euler nods.

eggsalad Ormstein: but yes, I will give him what he asks

Wol Euler nods.

--BELL--

Wol Euler: it's a quandary all right, balancing fairness -- based on knowledge that he might not have.

eggsalad Ormstein: or he, using a higher standard to which he is accustomed

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: hello mal

Malinson Bloobury: Hello Wol

eggsalad Ormstein: hi mali

Malinson Bloobury: Goodmorning EggSalad

Wol Euler: but that standard doesn't apply in the new situation, and he isn't adjusting his expectation to the situation

eggsalad Ormstein: neither can I force him to!

Wol Euler: yep :)

eggsalad Ormstein: I guess I'll steal this truck, and not feel bad. I've tried to do the right thing

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: as you say, you cannot force him, and you have tried to be fair by your understanding of the situation

Wol Euler: enjoy it :)

eggsalad Ormstein: it's fortunate that I'm such a car nut, and understand the rules in different nations

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: what do you think of its condition? is it safe?

Malinson Bloobury: duty calls

Wol Euler: ah, bye mal, take care

Malinson Bloobury: see you all later

eggsalad Ormstein: it's plenty safe. But it's irrelevant to the issue of value

Wol Euler: true, that was just a supplimentary question

eggsalad Ormstein: The value is whatever someone is willing to pay, especially in an older car

Wol Euler: mmhmm

eggsalad Ormstein: and a car such as this sells for US$6-8000

Wol Euler: what's he asking?

eggsalad Ormstein: US$4000

Wol Euler: then I think my suggestion was a good one: when you sell it, you might make a profit at the US price, give him a share of that

eggsalad Ormstein: Hi andreas! Here's $2000!

Wol Euler: right :)

Wol Euler: your soul will be quieted, and he'll be delighted

Wol Euler: or even $800

eggsalad Ormstein: or maybe it's nothing to him... he also has a 911 and an X5

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler smiles and shakes her head. The point is your soul, not his pocket :)

Wol Euler: or that's how I would see it

eggsalad Ormstein: Why he even owns a Toyota as well is beyond me

Wol Euler laughs.

Wol Euler: perhaps he actually *uses* that one?

eggsalad Ormstein: no... in fact, many of the problems stem more from disuse than anything else

Wol Euler: ah

Wol Euler: hello dash

Wol Euler grins.

eggsalad Ormstein: hi dsh

Dash Earthboy: hey y'all

Dash Earthboy: surprise huh?

Wol Euler: yeah :) another egg :)

Dash Earthboy: eggsalad on one side and...

Wol Euler: heheh

Wol Euler: before/after

Dash Earthboy: hehe

eggsalad Ormstein: sorry?

Wol Euler: well, the egg is the "before" stage of the egg salad

Dash Earthboy: yeah and eggsalad's legs look alot better too huh?

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: the sitting pose overrides the egg's AO, I guess

Wol Euler: how did the job interview turn out?

Dash Earthboy: could be...i just tried the egg parts to see if i could get a rebake to work

Dash Earthboy: no look on that tho

Dash Earthboy: wol and me are still clouds on my viewer

--BELL--

Dash Earthboy: sad to say on the job interview i was told on last followup phone call they hadn't decided,

eggsalad Ormstein: what does the AO that came with the egg do?

Dash Earthboy: I've followed up w/email and calls since they had said they wanted the position filled ASAP

Wol Euler: hmmm

Wol Euler: well, I hope it works out.

Dash Earthboy: at least now Wol is as clear as eggsalad...wait, that doesn't sound right :)

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: I'm assuming there is an AO, it would tuck his arms and legs up into the shell

Wol Euler: when you arrived your arms weren'T visible

Dash Earthboy: are they now?

Wol Euler: yes, in normal human sitting position

Dash Earthboy: cool

Wol Euler: I'll send you a screnshot

Dash Earthboy: thanx

Dash Earthboy: i made a coffee run yesterday as I was down to my last cup

Wol Euler: crisis intervention! :)

Dash Earthboy: yes...hey cool pic Wol!

Wol Euler smiles.

eggsalad Ormstein: I'd still like to see you stand up and walk, so I can see the AO :)

Dash Earthboy: I found Seattle Best for $3, Chock Full O Nuts for $1.50, and most of the rest (mostly Folgers) was $2

Dash Earthboy: ok eggs, just for you

Wol Euler: I always wondered about the name "chock full o nuts", surely coffee is made from *beans*

eggsalad Ormstein: ok, that's mostly just creepy. Thanks, though! LOL

Wol Euler grins at hte walking egg

eggsalad Ormstein: http://www.chockfullonuts.com/history.aspx#/history

Dash Earthboy: yes but some coffees have a "nutty" flavor :)

Dash Earthboy: i don't know...squirrels do like to hang around me anyway :)

Wol Euler sighs.

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: (wrong gesture)

eggsalad Ormstein: the basic answer is that the company founder started selling coffee as a side business to his nut shop

Wol Euler grins.

eggsalad Ormstein: roasting coffee beans and roasting nuts is a similar process I suppose

Wol Euler: as I suspect the Purolator company started out selling coffeemakers :)

Dash Earthboy: well, when I was inspecting Transport of New Jersey, I used to like going to any CFoN shop for breakfast, even before I was drinking coffee...great breakfasts at those shops!

Wol Euler nods.

Dash Earthboy: it was tea for me till I was 22 and working as a Brooklyn Museum guard

Wol Euler: huh

Wol Euler: well, I didn't learn to drink coffee until I was 18, in Rome. It was *so* much better than what I'd tasted in Canada

Dash Earthboy: having been to Canada .... :) I sympathize :)

Wol Euler: I hvae to say, the average standard of US coffee is no better.

Dash Earthboy: agrees

Wol Euler: the idea seems to be to make a large urn of it at 6:30 a.m. and let it stew until midnight

eggsalad Ormstein: german coffee nearly killed me!

Wol Euler grins.

Dash Earthboy: i like it the morning after midnight :)

Wol Euler: european coffee proves that caffeine is a stimulant :)

Dash Earthboy: yep

eggsalad Ormstein: I think Germans use 500g of coffee per cup

Dash Earthboy: and then there's the crowd who actually pays for decaf ?!? :)

Wol Euler: I don't know the figures, but we do drink more coffee than beer AND wine togehter

Wol Euler: and we drink a lot of beer.

eggsalad Ormstein: infants nurse on it

Wol Euler: heheheh

Dash Earthboy: when I worked at a local med center, the head nurse from Cuba fixed us expresso at 4 PM everyday

Dash Earthboy: talk about driving home with a buzz :)

Wol Euler grins.

--BELL--

Dash Earthboy: yes, y'all do drink alot of beer

Dash Earthboy: at that's coming from somebody who lives in Billy Beer country

eggsalad Ormstein: cuban coffee is right up there with german coffee

Dash Earthboy: btw I meant the comment not the beer from US ;)

Dash Earthboy: while at the museum I really got into beer too...from all over the world

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: so many brands, so little time

Dash Earthboy: later back at school in Atlanta, my Air Force friends let me get all kinds of beer from the PX

Dash Earthboy: i hear ya Wol :)

Dash Earthboy: I actually had a closet full of cases and 6-packs !

Wol Euler: :)

eggsalad Ormstein: I used to enjoy beer.

Wol Euler: what changed?

eggsalad Ormstein: I find it fills me up so quickly that I can't drink it

Dash Earthboy: that's one reason I drink it at night more now

Wol Euler nods.

Dash Earthboy: it helps me sleep better than herbal tea

eggsalad Ormstein: one beer, and I feel like I've eaten a whole meal

Wol Euler: cheap date :)

Dash Earthboy: yep...depending on the hops

eggsalad Ormstein: is that it? is it the hops that fill the gut?

Dash Earthboy: last decade i was nursing along a beer for a whole night at local open mic competitions

Wol Euler: thinking about it, I feel that too, to a lesser extent

Wol Euler: and yes I think it's the hops, because Hefeweizen does it most strongly for me

eggsalad Ormstein: and I was drinking heffeweisen at the time I stopped beer!

Wol Euler: there you go.

Dash Earthboy: :)

Wol Euler: I rarely drink alcohol, actually, on average less than one beer per week. Far less.

Wol Euler: I just lost interest in it somehow, some years back.

eggsalad Ormstein: me too, I probably have <3 drinks/month

Wol Euler nods.

Dash Earthboy: i think the poverty did it for me

Wol Euler smiles.

eggsalad Ormstein: that's "less than 3" not "love" LOL

Wol Euler: heheheh

Dash Earthboy: hehe

Wol Euler: I've got a few friends who make their own beer, some of it is surprisingly good (not awful)

Dash Earthboy: but after the job interview i did celebrate with finding a 12-pk of MHL for $8

eggsalad Ormstein: damn kids, stealing perfectly good math symbols!

Wol Euler: I doubt if they save any money that way, I think it's more a bit of fun wiht a drinkable byproduct

eggsalad Ormstein: MHL?

eggsalad Ormstein: ah, Miller

Wol Euler: oh right :) I was wondering too :)

Dash Earthboy: i make a 12-oz bottle of Miller High Life last at least 2 if not 3 servings (days)

Wol Euler: doesn't it go flat?

Dash Earthboy: not too much

eggsalad Ormstein: it's Miller. It gets no worse when flat

Wol Euler laughs.

Dash Earthboy: like sodas, just pour and ... oh haha

Dash Earthboy: my son feels that way too :)

Wol Euler: to each his own, as they say

Dash Earthboy: he's into, not Buds anymore, something like Moonlight?

Dash Earthboy: i used to really enjoy Heines & St Paulis

eggsalad Ormstein: I've lost track of all the current brands

Dash Earthboy: Blue Moon, that's it!

Wol Euler: I'm trying to remember what my BIL drinks, it's a reddish IPA from an independnt brewery

Wol Euler: Red Rock maybe?

Dash Earthboy: cool

Wol Euler: taste really good

Dash Earthboy: yes there are great independents out there :0

eggsalad Ormstein: rolling rock. used to be independent, now owned by Anheuser-Busch

Dash Earthboy: yah

--BELL--

Wol Euler: ah, that may be it, ty

Dash Earthboy: i liked rolling rock too

Dash Earthboy: bottled, not canned tho

eggsalad Ormstein: cans of beer are almost universally bad

Wol Euler nods sadly

Wol Euler: but so convenient

eggsalad Ormstein: althoug the guiness has a trick can that does work

Wol Euler: canned guinness is pretty good

Dash Earthboy: not to Billy Beer drinkers !

Wol Euler: snap

Dash Earthboy: oops...huge lag here

Dash Earthboy: sry

Wol Euler: np

eggsalad Ormstein: meh, the 90 second timesout is only useful during heated debates anyhow

Wol Euler: :)

Dash Earthboy: i got the CFoN Arabica blend going for me and I'm typing much faster than it's showing up

Wol Euler: interesting :)

Dash Earthboy: but after all this time and rebakes, I'm still a cloud

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: happens.

Wol Euler: you could try editing your appearance, make a tiny change and save

Wol Euler: that sometimes works

Dash Earthboy: yes, and I think it was Sunday I was ruthed

Wol Euler: or anohter trick is to change gender :)

Wol Euler: toggling gender often forces a redraw

eggsalad Ormstein: I log in each time as a cloud nowadays

Dash Earthboy: but finally got to see my shapely self then

Wol Euler: actually so do I, but it usually resolves in seconds

eggsalad Ormstein: mine never does, unless I rebake

eggsalad Ormstein: if I didn't do a rebake, I could be a cloud for hours

Wol Euler: huh

Dash Earthboy: this is interesting: Appearance is greyed-out on my menu

eggsalad Ormstein: maybe you don't have one :)

Dash Earthboy: rebake is there

Wol Euler: perhaps because sitting?

Wol Euler: odd, it's enabled for me

Dash Earthboy: let's see

Dash Earthboy: nope still greyed-out

Wol Euler: odd

Dash Earthboy: yep

Wol Euler: voodoo software :)

eggsalad Ormstein: take the egg thing off

Dash Earthboy: could be :)

eggsalad Ormstein: do you have the 1102 phoenix?

Wol Euler: ah, no, I'm using 1050

Wol Euler: I'm too old and too complacent for RC versions :)

eggsalad Ormstein: I got the new one, but I see no major change. Still, worth a try

eggsalad Ormstein: the changelog suggests that the new release compensates for a change on the LL side of things

Dash Earthboy: i've tried the 1050 Phoenix too, doesn't seem to matter

Dash Earthboy: for me

eggsalad Ormstein: did you try a test character?

Dash Earthboy: nor whether in Windows, or either 32-64 bit Linux

Dash Earthboy: i'm in 64-bit Ubuntu right now

Dash Earthboy: Natty as they say

eggsalad Ormstein: I'm using 8-bit CP/M

eggsalad Ormstein: no, I lied :)

Wol Euler smiles.

Dash Earthboy: ah i miss the C64

eggsalad Ormstein: oh, CP/M predates the C64

eggsalad Ormstein: <-- is old

Wol Euler: :)

eggsalad Ormstein: hi little boy! lol

Wol Euler: I started on PDP-11s :)

Dash Earthboy: cool

Wol Euler: looooong before the PC

eggsalad Ormstein: wol, you are positively ancient

Wol Euler: moved to VAX-VMS, they were cool

Wol Euler: :)

Dash Earthboy: yes!

eggsalad Ormstein: was that punch cards, or paper tape?

Wol Euler: magnetic tape already by that time

Dash Earthboy: i was introduced to VAX-VMS after learning things with a C64

eggsalad Ormstein: ohh, look at Miss Fancy Storage

Wol Euler: and the last VAX I administered had a -- wait for it -- 300MB hard disk

Dash Earthboy: yep Wol I remember

eggsalad Ormstein: mag tape! woo!

Dash Earthboy: wow!!! 300M!

Wol Euler: yeah :)

Wol Euler: it was immense in those days

eggsalad Ormstein: that was a HUGE drive!

Dash Earthboy: for sure

--BELL--

eggsalad Ormstein: now you can't even buy a thumb drive that small :)

Wol Euler: when I was on contract at a petrochem place, designing offshore oil rigs, that VAX administered a team of 20 CAD stations

Wol Euler: truth

Dash Earthboy: well yeah eggs but I still have a 128M thumb from 2002 working for me

eggsalad Ormstein: lol, I have a couple 32mb Lexars still kicking

Dash Earthboy: yep

Dash Earthboy: yes, the old CAD didn't have the requirements we have today

eggsalad Ormstein: my first personal hard drive was 32Mb

Wol Euler: same here

Wol Euler: I never filled it

Dash Earthboy: my son's CAD station has 16G RAM and a 2T harddrive

eggsalad Ormstein: now my latest desktop had 500GB

Wol Euler: mmhmm

eggsalad Ormstein: and I have used <40Gb

Wol Euler: ah :)

Wol Euler: take more photos, or buy more songs :)

eggsalad Ormstein: I don't listen to songs or watch movies :(

Wol Euler: modern CAD chews up disk space, two of us can lay on a gigabyte of new files in a week

Dash Earthboy: easily

eggsalad Ormstein: the video server at work has a 40Tb RAID array :)

Wol Euler: wow

Dash Earthboy: i remember in 2003 trying to convert some special microscope formats to AutoCAD

Dash Earthboy: 40T RAID...that's great!!

Dash Earthboy: video can sure eat it up fast tho

eggsalad Ormstein: but the output is 16m pixels by 10.24m pixels

Wol Euler: O.O

eggsalad Ormstein: yep. high-end crap!

Wol Euler giggles

Wol Euler: I always think that while looking at hi-def 96 inch screens. "Why, dude? you're only going to watch some reality show on it"

Dash Earthboy: i still rememberr trying to upload small home videos using dial-up last decade

eggsalad Ormstein: it's projected on a 30m wide screen. Takes 12 Christie Roadrunner projectors (at $125,000 each) to fill the screen

Wol Euler: wow

Dash Earthboy: hehe Wol

Dash Earthboy: reminds me of my son watching reality shows on his 50" HD

Wol Euler: yep

Dash Earthboy: he also has 3G wireless service

Dash Earthboy: i was like, coming from my .5G here, WT???

Wol Euler grins.

eggsalad Ormstein: well, I work for the worldwide leader in live entertainment, they have tons of dough to waste

Dash Earthboy: that's how they stay the leader i guess :)

Wol Euler: perhaps

Dash Earthboy: my ex is like that: wastes money to get more

Wol Euler: there is definitely a first-mover advantage

eggsalad Ormstein: it used to be Disney. Not anymore

Wol Euler: what would you need to invest now, to make a startup to compete with google?

Wol Euler: not millions, billions probably

Dash Earthboy: ah Wol, interesting subject...NPR said Jobs is smarter for bringing out iPhone later than other smartphones

eggsalad Ormstein: no, just like google... google itself will be surpassed by 3 guys in a basement

Wol Euler: yes but: the three guys will undermine google by making something entirely different. They will win by not going head-to-head, but by walking off at right angles to google

Dash Earthboy: they compared it to Facebook coming out after MySpace and such

Wol Euler: yeah, iPhone is a very good counterexample

Dash Earthboy: google's been a little embarassed by their cloud offerings

Wol Euler: they have a huge "mindshare", as well as a good market share: every new smartphone looks like the iPhone OS

Dash Earthboy: yep

eggsalad Ormstein: I made a lot on Apple shares :)

Wol Euler smiles.

Dash Earthboy: :)

Wol Euler: so did my mother :)

Dash Earthboy: not me

eggsalad Ormstein: in 2001, my friend said Apple had a new music player coming out

eggsalad Ormstein: I said "so what? everyone does"

Wol Euler smiles.

eggsalad Ormstein: then he told me they wer also selling MUSIC

Dash Earthboy: yep

eggsalad Ormstein: so I dropped $500 on 20 shares

eggsalad Ormstein: which is now worth $14000, after the split

Wol Euler grins.

Wol Euler: nice

Dash Earthboy: yep

--BELL--

Dash Earthboy: i bought shares of banks in the late 90s just before the divorce and my atty let hers confine me to maintain that investment for "security"

Wol Euler sighs.

Dash Earthboy: yep

Wol Euler: conventional wisdom at work :(

Dash Earthboy: Good Ol' Boys bullying tactics

Wol Euler: and backhanders in the club after

Dash Earthboy: yep

eggsalad Ormstein: my investments are much more conservative now :)

Dash Earthboy: just got my property assessment and its value is down by nearly 20% from last year

Wol Euler: :(

Wol Euler: are your taxes also down 20%?

Dash Earthboy: my place is now worth less than I paid for it in 1999

Wol Euler: wow

Dash Earthboy: i lost value in 2010 and 2009

eggsalad Ormstein: I dumped my house in '07. been renting since

Dash Earthboy: the taxes are down 15%

eggsalad Ormstein: so I only lost PART of my ass

Dash Earthboy: only because of the new value

Dash Earthboy: yes, I've been wanting/needing to get out of here too

Dash Earthboy: i'll rent...i'll live in a camper if necessary

Wol Euler: it's sad, I have so many friends who are stuck in that position, they'd have to take a loss to sell

Dash Earthboy: but i'd rather find a place to room/board

eggsalad Ormstein: my sale & loss was forced by the divorce

Wol Euler nods.

eggsalad Ormstein: my divorce wound up costing me $40,000

Dash Earthboy: :( i hear ya eggs

eggsalad Ormstein: AND WORTH EVERY PENNY

Wol Euler: hahjahahahah

Wol Euler: oh dear

Wol Euler: what a sad statement

Dash Earthboy: my divorce was the end of her 10-yr strategy to take an artistic farm owner with great tech skills and turn him into a bum if she couldn't drive him to suicide

Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.

Dash Earthboy: my sperm was her prize, the rest was just icing on the cake

eggsalad Ormstein: mine was something similar, but it turned out I was stronger than she's counted on

Dash Earthboy: she learned that process from her mom who learned from her mom...to have single prize childs

Dash Earthboy: i had wanted at least two, even if we had to adopt

Wol Euler listens.

Dash Earthboy: being deprived of active parenthood really hurts someone like me

Wol Euler nods.

Dash Earthboy: especially to see one's offspring undermined and corrupted at my own expense

Wol Euler: that must hurt :(

Dash Earthboy: my son is smarter than me and I'm in Mensa

Dash Earthboy: he has no social conscience either...like his mom

Dash Earthboy: and he's totally dropped away from anything related to music...like his mom's family teaches them to do

Wol Euler: poor kid

Dash Earthboy: i taught him how to play drums using a Yamaha keyboard

Wol Euler gives your hand a squeeze

Dash Earthboy: he could give Phil Collins competition

Dash Earthboy: and he also learned to play guitar and bass like me

--BELL--

Dash Earthboy: but now he's all about fancy possessions, living in huge debt, and complaining about any personal time/space...he can't live with himself for more than an hour or two

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: many can't, it's a declining skill

Wol Euler: I wonder where it came from, and why it's going?

eggsalad Ormstein: I have an afk

Dash Earthboy: i did bring him up with better spiritual values

Dash Earthboy: it has been really nice to wake up early this way with y'all

Wol Euler smiles.

Dash Earthboy: my alarm will be going off in a few minutes

Wol Euler: heh

Wol Euler: enjoy the day, dash.

Dash Earthboy: thanks Wol

Wol Euler: lunchtime for me now :)

Dash Earthboy: hope it's a good one :)

Wol Euler: ty

Dash Earthboy: till next time...

Wol Euler: bye for now

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