2011.05.19 13:00 - coincidences and unlikelynesses

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

    Eherim Infinity: Hi folks.
    Wol Euler: hello lia, eherim
    Wol Euler: nice to see you again, eherim
    Lia Rikugun: hi wol and eherim
    Eherim Infinity: Same.
    Lia Rikugun: nice to meet you eherim
    Eherim Infinity: I am glad to be here.
    Lia Rikugun: you also have a fish like bruce
    Eherim Infinity: Yes, fishing is fun.
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Wol Euler: at least a flying nametag :) I see only your wings and a cloud
    Wol Euler: ah! just rezzed
    Eherim Infinity: This is a mermaid, named aftr a best SL friend.
    Wol Euler: ah, sweet
    Lia Rikugun: ah mermaid :) nice
    Eherim Infinity: She is. :-)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eherim Infinity: Will someone turn up in a short while or don't we expect anyone els?
    Lia Rikugun: maybe and maybe not :)
    Wol Euler: hard to say :) people tend to drift in as they have time
    Wol Euler: but we can certainly start in, if you have a topic to suggest?


    coincidences and unlikelynesses

    Eherim Infinity: Hmm. I'd like to dicsuss coincidences and unlikelynesses.
    Lia Rikugun: ok listening :)
    Wol Euler: okay :)
    Eherim Infinity: And what to do when something that's just to unlikely to happen happens.
    Wol Euler: perhaps we adjust our ideas of probability?
    Wol Euler: reconsider how we made that evaluation?
    Eherim Infinity: Yes, or dismiss the term.
    Wol Euler: perhaps there was a factor we left out, when considering how unlikely X was
    Wol Euler: or perhaps just the timescale: when we say something is a "once in a hundred years" event, that does NOT mean that it can't happen tomorrow.
    Eherim Infinity: Well - you know people with skitzofrenia seldomly know they are sick. They don't realize that what they experience is a hallucination. Perhaps unlikeliness is a sign of something fundamental being twisted?
    Eherim Infinity: The aktualization of the world being more concious than usually.
    Wol Euler: I'm not sure. Do you suggest that the improbable event means that reality is "twisted", or that we are misunderstanding reality?
    Eherim Infinity: The latter.
    Wol Euler: well, we probably do that constantly :) even in cases where nothing "unlikely" happens
    Eherim Infinity: The interpretaion of reality, that I am a big fan of, states that reality is partly created by our brains, so that we can cope with it, and partly created by the general idea of the world - consensus - what we agree uppon.
    Eherim Infinity: Skitzofrenic people lack the consensus part and create a world of their own.
    Eherim Infinity: I guess that unlike events could be explained by something in between those twoe extremes.
    Eherim Infinity: - If they are so unlike, people wouldn't believe in it.
    Wol Euler: the thing to remember is that what we call "reality" is a map of what exists, not the existing stuff itself
    Eherim Infinity: Very true.
    Wol Euler: it's necessarily incomplete,and parts of it are certainly wrong
    Wol Euler: so basically, I agree wiht your last statement :)
    Eherim Infinity: Thanks. Some very unlikely events happend to me lately, and talking it through makes it easier to comprehend.
    Lia Rikugun: bad or good unlikely?
    Eherim Infinity: Very good. :-)
    Lia Rikugun: oh hey great
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Eherim Infinity: Yes, I guess I should just enjoy it.
    Lia Rikugun: what is it if I jay ask?
    Lia Rikugun: *may
    Lia Rikugun: haha curious me
    Eherim Infinity: Hmmm - One thing is that I have a collegue who claim to be psychic claivoyant.
    Lia Rikugun: sorry no need to answer the question
    Lia Rikugun: oh wow interesting
    Wol Euler listens.
    Lia Rikugun: and is he?


    suddenly Eherim left but as it turned out, he only had internet problems :)

    Lia Rikugun: ups
    Wol Euler: a bridge too far, perhaps :)
    Lia Rikugun: did i say something wrong?
    Wol Euler smiles and shrugs. We may never know.
    Lia Rikugun: oh i am sorry, maybe i should not have asked
    Wol Euler: but poofing is a bit drastic as a reaction
    Wol Euler: he could just have said "sorry, dan't ciscuss that"
    Wol Euler: *can't discuss
    Lia Rikugun: wellwell
    Wol Euler: wb
    Lia Rikugun: oh hey you are back
    Lia Rikugun: we thought you left us :)
    Eherim Infinity: Hehe. Connection problem.
    Lia Rikugun: hey just to let you know i am asking because i am so curious of course you dont need to answer if you dont feel like it


    psychic claivoyant

    Eherim Infinity: Well My collegue - I never really beleived in her gifts untill this week, where she asked if she could use them on this SL friend of mine, who I named this mermaid after.
    Eherim Infinity: She said 5 or so statements and EVERYTHIG was dead spot on.
    Lia Rikugun: dead spot on means correct
    Wol Euler: huh
    Lia Rikugun: yes?
    Wol Euler: yes
    Eherim Infinity: And not typical things but very specific stuff.
    Eherim Infinity: Yes.
    Lia Rikugun: wow interesting
    Lia Rikugun: maybe she is a hacker and hacked the linden server to see the acht logs :)
    Lia Rikugun: ok just kidding
    Lia Rikugun: *chat
    Eherim Infinity: :-D
    Lia Rikugun: i guess there are things we cant understand
    Lia Rikugun: but this doesnt mean we should not be open to it
    Eherim Infinity: Then yestoday, when I was on my way back from town, riding my bicyckle I got so conviced, that when I came home and logged on, she would log on the moment after. I cind of just knew it, with a sensation of comfort. And of course it happend.
    Lia Rikugun: giving it the possibility to be true will let you be open towards it
    Lia Rikugun: wow thats great
    Eherim Infinity: Yes, great and baffeling.
    Lia Rikugun: i had similar experiences
    Lia Rikugun: but with things I wanted to say in a group
    Lia Rikugun: and then someone else just says it
    Eherim Infinity: :-)


    being open

    Eherim Infinity: I think, it's important that we enjoy those moments, and not just reject them as nonsense.
    Lia Rikugun: as if there was a thought exchange
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eherim Infinity: And have them be a hint of what the world is build of.
    Lia Rikugun: yes
    Lia Rikugun: and in the end you dont know if this is just coincidence or maybe something else
    Eherim Infinity: Also true.
    Lia Rikugun: but having this open I think is good
    Wol Euler: perhaps coincidence is just the modern word for "miracle"
    Eherim Infinity: I nod to that.
    Wol Euler: calling something a coincidence basically says "I can't explain it"
    Lia Rikugun: yes :)


    seeing into the future

    Eherim Infinity: Yes. About being certain of something is going to happen with a sensation of relaxed comfortness - do you know that feeling?
    Eherim Infinity: And then it happends?
    Lia Rikugun: i want to say yes, but i cant remember anything :)
    Lia Rikugun: so maybe no
    Lia Rikugun: or maybe you just forget because it does not fit into the structure
    Eherim Infinity: OK, cause I have tried it a few times before too.
    Eherim Infinity: When it happens, it's the most thrilling experience. It makes you feel quite close to reality.
    Lia Rikugun: can you control that? or does this happen suddenly?
    Lia Rikugun: when does this happen?
    Eherim Infinity: I can't decide for it to happen at all.
    Eherim Infinity: I don't know if there is a pattern.
    Eherim Infinity: Mayby it helps to be in a relaxed comforting state.
    Eherim Infinity: THere was this bowling tournament an evening with my colleagus at a workplace I used to work for a few years ago.
    Eherim Infinity: And they had this competition of guessing the scores of all the games added together.
    Eherim Infinity: With a prize to it.
    Eherim Infinity: And when I had wrote my guess, I sort of tried to feel what to write, while relaxing.
    Lia Rikugun: ah
    Lia Rikugun: and?
    Eherim Infinity: And then I just knew I would win, in a comforting relaxing way, and it happend.
    Lia Rikugun: wow thats amazing
    Wol Euler: yeah, wow
    Lia Rikugun: so by relaxing you find reality
    Eherim Infinity: It's not something that happens very often, sadly. :-)
    Lia Rikugun: or well at least the future... :)
    Lia Rikugun: nice, i wish i had this super power
    Eherim Infinity: Once every three years or so.
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Lia Rikugun: ah tahts the pattern eherim
    Wol Euler: yeah, it could be useful if you could do it at will :)
    Eherim Infinity: Yes, really.
    Lia Rikugun: for the lottery
    Lia Rikugun: ;)
    Eherim Infinity: So true. :-)
    Eherim Infinity: lols
    Lia Rikugun: with a friend of mine we tried thought exchange :)
    Lia Rikugun: she would think of a word
    Lia Rikugun: and I should concentrate very hard and see it
    Lia Rikugun: this was a while back and we only tried it out once
    Lia Rikugun: HAHA, and it didnt work
    Eherim Infinity: Well, see if you can do it. I think most people can, but I also think that when moste people experiece it, it is rejected as coincidence or imagination.
    Lia Rikugun: yes
    Lia Rikugun: i see it
    Lia Rikugun: but it could be coincidence
    Eherim Infinity: It could.
    Lia Rikugun: but it doesnt matter it is still interesting
    Lia Rikugun: when this happens
    Lia Rikugun: of course if you can read your friends minds
    Lia Rikugun: there is always a logical explanation
    Eherim Infinity: Only thing, I haven't felt the compforting certainty when it didn't come true. But still that could also be a coincidence, that's true.
    Lia Rikugun: you know each other better, you have the same thought patterns
    Eherim Infinity: OK, thanks for listening to this. :-)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: thank you for telling us
    Lia Rikugun: sure very interesting
    Lia Rikugun: thanks
    Eherim Infinity: I don't really have anything more to ad, so now is the time to put on the silly hats. :-)
    Lia Rikugun: hehe


    wearing silly hats :)

    Eherim Infinity: Anyone got a silly hat?
    Lia Rikugun: i dont
    Lia Rikugun: :(
    Lia Rikugun: but a silly tail
    Eherim Infinity: Niiiice. :-)
    Wol Euler: it's a demo, but it is quite silly
    Lia Rikugun: wow thats huge wol
    Wol Euler: yeah
    Eherim Infinity: I got one, that removes my hair, when I wear it.
    Wol Euler: other than this I have only serious hats
    Wol Euler: you could try attaching it to your chin instaed of hte default positoin
    Eherim Infinity: OK, thanks.
    Lia Rikugun: hehe cute
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Lia Rikugun: outchy
    Wol Euler: now edit that
    Wol Euler: move it up and back a bitz
    Wol Euler: then you can re-attach your hair normally
    Wol Euler: right :)
    Wol Euler: back a bit
    Wol Euler: beteter :)
    Wol Euler: *better
    Eherim Infinity: :-D
    Eherim Infinity: OK, any other subject to talk about?
    Lia Rikugun: i only have the default stuff
    Wol Euler: we'll go shopping some day, lia :)
    Wol Euler: but you know, all the standard avatars' bits and pieces are available free to you
    Wol Euler: scroll down to the very bottom of your inventory window, then open "Library"
    Lia Rikugun: yes yes thats where i am looking ;)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eherim Infinity: A have a set of maracas.
    Wol Euler: manbo!
    Eherim Infinity: One never know when you need maracas.
    Lia Rikugun: hehe cool
    Eherim Infinity: Hahaha.
    Eherim Infinity: And you just NEVER get tired of this tune.
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: alreayd got them, thanks :)
    Lia Rikugun: i have this
    Eherim Infinity: Ahhh, good.
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Lia Rikugun: yeay
    Eherim Infinity: Then you are well off.
    Lia Rikugun: haha
    Eherim Infinity: Aaah, you can change position by clicking the pillow. Why didn't you say so?
    Eherim Infinity: :-)
    Wol Euler: eveyrone knows that :)
    Wol Euler: this probably counts as a silly hat
    Lia Rikugun: oh wow
    Eherim Infinity: Did you hear Lars Von Triers press conference in Cannes?
    Wol Euler: no?
    Eherim Infinity: Uh, nice silly hat.
    Lia Rikugun: ok i think its time for me to go to bed
    Eherim Infinity: OK, He just got kicked out of there, for telling a weird joke about understanding hitler and being more of a nazi than a jew.
    Lia Rikugun: was nice to see you
    Wol Euler: huh
    Eherim Infinity: I guess the irony got lost in translation.
    Wol Euler: goodnight, lia, sleep well
    Lia Rikugun: good night
    Wol Euler: do we assume that there was any irony in it?
    Eherim Infinity: Oh yes. Being a Dane I could tell it was written all over it.
    Wol Euler: ah.
    Eherim Infinity: But anyway. That's not so important. He was just being clunpsy and now the whole world thinks of him as a nazi. It even made NY Times Headlines.
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eherim Infinity: Makes one want to be a bit more carefull when speaking a forreign language.
    Eherim Infinity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LayW8aq4GLw
    Wol Euler: ty
    Eherim Infinity: He always want's to provoke but this time he went to far out of a line.
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: clever guy being stupid :)
    Wol Euler: funny how often that happens
    Eherim Infinity: :-)
    Eherim Infinity: OK, I'll leave now. Thanks for you company. Has been a pleasure.
    Wol Euler: likewise, eherim.
    Wol Euler: take care

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