2011.05.21 19:00 - No Need to Wait

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

    Pema Pera: Hi Lila!
    Lila Darkmatter: Hi Pema!
    Pema Pera: (lots and lots of lag)
    Pema Pera: (I can't even read my own lines, until a couple minutes later!)
    Pema Pera: ah, getting a wee bit better now
    Pema Pera: if I don't respond to a question, please repeat: sometimes lines drop when having large lag
    Lila Darkmatter: Oh, sure. It seems fine so far
    Pema Pera: (am in my breakfast cafe, but with pouring rain, like a deluge, affecting my internet cell phone connection, it seems
    Lila Darkmatter: but then I may be laggy myself
    Pema Pera: any more visits to parks and trees recently?
    Lila Darkmatter: Well, today a farmer's market at my daughter's school
    Lila Darkmatter: and that was interesting... a demonstration of a solar powered car the robotics club made, etc
    Pema Pera: oh, how nice!!
    Lila Darkmatter: and I bought spicy black radishes :)
    Lila Darkmatter: you?
    Pema Pera: I can imagine doing that when I was young . . . (robots, not radishes :-)
    Lila Darkmatter: It was very impressive, I must say. The student was so knowledgeable
    Pema Pera: I keep rediscovering the simplicity of life, while walking around the city . . . . so hard to put into words . . . .
    Pema Pera: (answer to "you?" -- still laggy)
    Pema Pera: hi Steve!
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves

    I had to smile at the way Lila was kindly yet persistently prodding:

    Lila Darkmatter: simplicity does seem difficult to word :) but it would be nice if you might try?
    Lila Darkmatter: Hi Stevenaia :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: how are things in Japan?
    stevenaia Michinaga: hii Lila
    Lila Darkmatter: :)
    Pema Pera: breathing in the relative world, breathing out naturally occurring timeless awareness -- how's that for a try?
    Pema Pera: lots of rain today, Steve, a real downpour
    Lila Darkmatter: Very nice :)
    Pema Pera: it's a very simple exploration
    Pema Pera: anyway, you have to breathe, right?
    stevenaia Michinaga: rain cleans things up nicely, cept along the mississippi
    Pema Pera: so you might as well breath in all that appears, and then breathe out its essence
    Lila Darkmatter: with the relative world appreciative of the timeless awareness you are giving back?
    Pema Pera: a kind of TSK level tong len, if you like
    Pema Pera: yes, it all mingles
    Pema Pera: after a while the two become almost the same
    Pema Pera: like the swinging door of Suzuki Roshi
    Lila Darkmatter: :)
    Pema Pera: we can all try it right now,
    Pema Pera: while typing
    Pema Pera: no need even to wait for the 90 seconds
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Pema Pera: given that we're still breathing anyway
    Lila Darkmatter: breathing in the words and letters....
    Pema Pera: how about you, Steve?
    stevenaia Michinaga: the question?
    stevenaia Michinaga: was reading about Suzuki Roshi :)
    Lila Darkmatter: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: about 5 minutes behing here
    Pema Pera: breathing in all that appears, the whole world of phenomena, and breathing out its empty essence/nature
    Pema Pera: (sorry, hadn't stated that very clearly before)
    stevenaia Michinaga: when breathing before Tai Chi I find it takes quite a while for the quiet to envelope
    stevenaia Michinaga: then the little things in the emptiness become relivant
    Pema Pera: here we don't worry about quiet -- just breating in the turmoil is interesting too. Then breathing out the essence/nature of all phenomena, including turmoil

    Lila then provided the title for this session:

    Lila Darkmatter: :) really like that 'no need to wait' sensibility
    Lila Darkmatter: and quiet too :)
    Pema Pera: yes, that could be the core of PaB
    Pema Pera: the "no need" including not even a need to wait
    stevenaia Michinaga: true, any moment becomes THE moment
    Pema Pera: actually almost any "no X" could be the core of PaB, hahaha
    Pema Pera giving away his tricks :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: then all moments become THE moment
    Pema Pera: (^_^)
    Lila Darkmatter: :)
    Pema Pera: =(^+^)= cats seem to know that . . . . when they rest
    stevenaia Michinaga: they often look like they are meditation, yet they also always seem to know what's happening around then
    stevenaia Michinaga: not a bad model
    Pema Pera: and they are able to get others to pet them
    Pema Pera: very advanced :-)
    Pema Pera: (and feed them, the whole works)
    Lila Darkmatter: the outdoor cat conducted a stake out.. sly devil
    stevenaia Michinaga: truely the master of their universe
    Lila Darkmatter: the neighborhood is full of people who feed outdoor cats, but we didn't... so he came each day and stared at us
    Lila Darkmatter: and stared and stared
    Lila Darkmatter: :) Sigh... of course eventually he won
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Pema Pera: do you know the book "the silent meow"?
    stevenaia Michinaga: no
    Lila Darkmatter: :) Listens...
    stevenaia Michinaga: is it the cat handbook of human manipulation

    the answer is yes, didn't get to say that in the conversation :-)

    Lila Darkmatter laughs
    Pema Pera: required reading for cat lovers
    Lila Darkmatter: how so?
    Pema Pera: from 1964, by Paul Gallico
    Pema Pera: somebody discovers that his cat is writing on his type writer
    Pema Pera: a manual for kittens
    Pema Pera: describing all the follies of humans
    Pema Pera: (sorry large lag here sometimes)
    Pema Pera: http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Meow-Ma...6031140&sr=1-2
    Pema Pera: the BIGGEST trick is the "silent meow"
    Pema Pera: Lila's description reminded me of that
    Pema Pera: if a cat can't yet charm humans in doing something for them
    Lila Darkmatter: :) he must have read the book for sure
    Pema Pera: the last resort is to look at them with pitiful eyes, opening their mouth as if meowing, but no sound coming out
    Lila Darkmatter: Oh, definitely
    Pema Pera: the epitomy of the power of mellowing
    stevenaia Michinaga: my cat sticks his tongue out, sounds similar
    Lila Darkmatter: :)
    Pema Pera: (on the web site I just gave you there is a picture of a silent meow
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Pema Pera: ears straight up, eyes round like "how can you find peace in your heart treating me like this!"
    Lila Darkmatter: hahah
    Lila Darkmatter: the indoor cat here is far pushier... lays on the book one is reading, or climbs on your chest and plows his head into yours
    stevenaia Michinaga: brb
    Lila Darkmatter: but wow, when he is content, how wonderful... motor going, like a warm electric blanket
    Lila Darkmatter: coincidentally my daughters went to orientation to become 'feline counselors' today
    Lila Darkmatter: for a shelter. We laughed at what an 'official' sounding name it is
    Lila Darkmatter: for them to volunteer to come and play with cats a few hours on weekends :)

    From here on my lag was increasing again . . .

    Pema Pera: what does a feline counselor do?
    Lila Darkmatter: ah, just answered :)
    Pema Pera: talk with distressed cats? or distressed humans in cat-like ways?
    Pema Pera: (sorry, terrible lag . . . )
    Pema Pera: (more than a minute -- still raining hard)
    Lila Darkmatter: they'll just snuggle cats for a few hours... no that's fine... nice to slow down :)
    Lila Darkmatter: we need the rain here... it must sound wonderful
    Lila Darkmatter: :::breathes in the imagination of the smell and sound of rain::::
    Pema Pera: hi Bert!
    Lila Darkmatter: Hi Bert :)
    Bertrum Resident: hi everyone.
    Lila Darkmatter: How are you doing Bertrum?
    Bertrum Resident: Doing well, thank you.
    Lila Darkmatter: :) Glad
    Lila Darkmatter: Pema is laggy and Stevenaia is away for a moment. We were talking about 'the silent meow' and about each moment, all moments, being THE moment
    stevenaia Michinaga: a loud graduation party nearby seems to be getting out of control
    Lila Darkmatter: uh oh
    Lila Darkmatter: togas?
    Bertrum Resident: the silent meow?
    Lila Darkmatter: heheh
    Lila Darkmatter: yes, it is a cat manual about how to manipulate humans, as Stevenaia rightly guessed
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, not sure

    . . . to the point that I decided to bail out.

    Pema Pera: I think I'll log out -- lag is getting worse -- looking forward to seeing you soon again!
    Lila Darkmatter: Bye Pema
    Bertrum Resident: bye, Pema
    stevenaia Michinaga: enjoy lunch
    Lila Darkmatter: laggy lunch....hehe
    Lila Darkmatter: (except that he's at breakfast)
    Lila Darkmatter: hehe
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Bert
    Lila Darkmatter: a lazy cat hopes for laggy lunch
    Bertrum Resident: so what is the silent meow?
    Lila Darkmatter: Oh, just a book Pema mentioned
    Lila Darkmatter: a cat stares with mouth open but no sound
    Lila Darkmatter: eyes looking pitiful
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Meow-Ma...6031140&sr=1-2
    Lila Darkmatter: it is amazing how much we talk about cats in PaB now :)
    Bertrum Resident: Thanks, Steve for the link!
    Lila Darkmatter: cats, dogs, pizza
    stevenaia Michinaga: cats have much to show us
    Lila Darkmatter: and chickens
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems that it was an offence to kill a cat in ancient Egypt
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.richeast.org/htwm/cats/Cats.html
    Lila Darkmatter: oh, cutting a hole in a jacket rather than disturbing a sleeping cat
    Lila Darkmatter: I can understand that :))
    Lila Darkmatter: some days I come in to make the bed and turn right back around upon seeing the cat so happily sprawled
    Lila Darkmatter: let sleeping cats lay
    stevenaia Michinaga: when a cat sprawls, I swear thay take up as much room as a person
    Lila Darkmatter: well, if I remember correctly, your cat may be larger than most
    stevenaia Michinaga: all cats are larget than most
    Lila Darkmatter: :)
    Bertrum Resident: wonderful beings!
    Lila Darkmatter: a neighbor has cats the size of dogs... it feels strange walking into her house...
    Lila Darkmatter: like looking at a capibara
    Lila Darkmatter: have you seen those?
    stevenaia Michinaga: googling now
    Lila Darkmatter: hope my spelling is correct
    Bertrum Resident: what size of dogs are these cats?
    stevenaia Michinaga: not a cat
    Lila Darkmatter: but they are enormous and look like giant hampsters
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    stevenaia Michinaga: that might freighten most cats
    Bertrum Resident: Uh the rodent cat?
    Lila Darkmatter: Hm, I'd say the cats are the size of medium poodles
    Lila Darkmatter: haha
    Lila Darkmatter: well just a rodent, but I'd say capibara is to hampster as these cats are to regular ones
    Lila Darkmatter: :)))
    stevenaia Michinaga: where are those things from?
    Lila Darkmatter: good question
    Lila Darkmatter: South America it seems
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    Lila Darkmatter: the world is full of wonderous creatures
    Bertrum Resident: Yes. That's very true.
    Lila Darkmatter: giant squid, seahorses...
    stevenaia Michinaga: starfish
    Lila Darkmatter: ibis, spiders, kangaroos!
    Lila Darkmatter: Well I have to go, but I hope you have an ipod or something to protect you from the next door party steve
    Lila Darkmatter: or an invitation :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Lila Darkmatter: Nice to see you Bert
    stevenaia Michinaga: night lile
    Lila Darkmatter: :))Bye
    Bertrum Resident: Night Lila
    stevenaia Michinaga: I think I picked up your 7:0o am session this morning
    Bertrum Resident: ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: there was a guardian MIA this mornign wasn;t it you?
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps npt
    stevenaia Michinaga: not
    Bertrum Resident: No, I'm entirely MIA (but have no assignments)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Bertrum Resident: Have you read the book, Silent Meow?
    stevenaia Michinaga: no, Pema showed it to us
    stevenaia Michinaga: Bertram Jacobus, isn;t that you?
    Bertrum Resident: Bertrum Quan (in an earlier incarnation)
    stevenaia Michinaga: my error
    Bertrum Resident: What was the context of the discussion about the book?
    stevenaia Michinaga: cats and their mamzing abilities to control us
    stevenaia Michinaga: amazing
    stevenaia Michinaga: this was one of their atributes
    Bertrum Resident: Ah. I'm a fan of the cat!
    stevenaia Michinaga: see, they have successded
    Bertrum Resident: Absolutely.
    Bertrum Resident: They are very intuitive.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I remember once my cat was gazing into my eyes for a very long time... began to feel a unique commection
    stevenaia Michinaga: then the cat turned his head and began staring in the same way at a blank wall... so much for the connectedness'
    stevenaia Michinaga: human = blank wall
    Bertrum Resident: That's one way to see it,,,
    Bertrum Resident: From what I've observed, so cats have deep connections with their human friends.
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    Bertrum Resident: It's not a fake connection.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I know... my cat speans much time with me when I am on the internet his head on my arm between me and my computer
    stevenaia Michinaga: I can't be that comfortab;e typing
    Bertrum Resident: Yes, some cats want to stay close. It gives both cat and human comfort.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I hurd the purr calms and actually strengthes their bones (sound) in cats and nearby humans
    stevenaia Michinaga: bed time for me, night bert
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks
    Bertrum Resident: Night Steve. May you dream of many cats!
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)

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