2011.05.22 08:00 - Guardian Session: Not Excluding Any Possibilities

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    Present for this guardian session in which we discussed RL retreats (Vashon Island in particulr), PaB Apps, and changes in retreat planning for the future were : Agatha Macbeth : Alfred Kelberry : Aphrodite Macbain : Bleu Oleander : Eliza Madrigal : Eos Amaterasu : Lucinda Lavender : Maxine Walden : SophiaSharon Larnia : Storm Nordwind : Sunshine Vayandar : Wol Euler : Yakuzza Lethecus : iwandertoo Resident : stevenaia Michinaga

    (Eliza posted this session, and softened early "hello"s since there were so many)

    Eliza Madrigal: Hola Amigas
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Liz, Aphro :)
    Eliza Madrigal: (brb, would like to get coffee and dig up emails from this week)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): I'm here now (kind of)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yep
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hi Wol :)), Max
    Wol Euler: hello everyone
    Wol Euler waits for rezzings
    Maxine Walden: hi, Agatha, Wol
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): And Bleu :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol and Maxine and Bleu
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi all :)
    Storm Nordwind: Hi :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you all this morning
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm :)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Or afternoon...
    Maxine Walden: hi, Storm
    Wol Euler: or almost evening
    Aggers (
    agatha.macbeth): Shaz :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone :)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yaku!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi SophiaSharon :)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Storm
    Wol Euler: hello yaku, sharon
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello steve
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hey everyone
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): and Eos
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi all
    Wol Euler: hello eos, steve

    Eliza Madrigal: wow, we're pouring in!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Steve, Eos :)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hi sue
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Susan :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Great turnout!
    Maxine Walden: :) seems so, Eliza, pouring in
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Susan
    Eliza Madrigal: delightful
    Eliza Madrigal: And Yakuzza :D
    Wol Euler: hello susan
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): must be giving out donuts
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya susan
    SophiaSharon Larnia: now that im here afk for a few mins
    Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): waves
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Mm, donuts
    Eos Amaterasu: hi AVs
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): - Hmmmm Dougnuts! -
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe, Bleu
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Stevenaia and Eos :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Or, maybe we're all interested in discussing retreats :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Snap
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): that too :)

    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Ok, let's discuss retreats :)
    Green Tea whispers: Enjoy your tea

    Aphrodite Macbain: yes please
    Eliza Madrigal: OK! Shall we start with the Vashon Island retreat? So happy that will take place Maxine, thank you
    Aphrodite Macbain: I am glad the Seattle one is a "go"
    Wol Euler nods.
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Wol Euler: please
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): There will only be one a year from now on then?

    Maxine Walden: Shall I say a few things about it?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes please
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Please Max
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello again Alf
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): aga girl :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves to boxy
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): hi :)
    Eliza Madrigal: (the we'll talk about the overall retreats pictures) Hi ALf, Maxine is going to say a bit about Vashon Island now
    Aphrodite Macbain: hey Boxy
    Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): waves
    Eos Amaterasu: ~~
    boxy's nose: Wol Euler touches me gently
    Eliza Madrigal: *then
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): box man :)
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
    boxy's nose: Bleu touches me gently
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): :P
    boxy's nose: Aggers touches me persistently
    Aphrodite Macbain: hehe Aggers
    boxy's nose: SophiaSharon Larnia touches me gently

                Maxine describes he upcoming retreat, and Boxy enters with his playful nose...

    Maxine Walden: OK, as I wrote on email, after some pondering about whether to postpone the Vashon Island (near Seattle) retreat, whether to postpone it for a year, I decided, for a number of reasons to hold it this September as first planned, Sept 25-Oct 1.

    boxy's nose: Yaku touches me playfully
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): *adams says hi* :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) waves to Adams
    boxy's nose: Aphrodite Macbain touches me playfully
    Eliza Madrigal: The setting sounds magical Maxine
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Luci
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): maxine, good to know :)
    boxy's nose: Aggers touches me persistently
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): it would be a shame to cancel such a lovely location
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yes Max
    boxy's nose: stevenaia Michinaga touches me playfully
    Aphrodite Macbain: I couldn't quite figure out how much it will cost. I suppose it depends on the number of people signing up
    Eliza Madrigal: (Hi Luci, we're discussing retreats, and specifically Vashon Island at the moment, hearing from Maxine))
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): *is touched* :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Lucinda Lavender: wonderful
    Maxine Walden: Yes, as many know Piet and I believe Eos will not be able to attend the Vashon retreat, so the tone of the retreat, in their absence may be a bit different.
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): maxine, different is good
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): new experience :)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Sun
    Aphrodite Macbain: it will be new to me

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sun :)
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): hey Sun
    Sun (sunshine.vayandar): hi all ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: hi sun
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): zulu girl :)
    Sun (sunshine.vayandar): ;)
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): *notices storm sat closer to him* :)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Calm down Boxy :)
    Maxine Walden: But I had been thinking that there are many ways to explore the nature of reality, that each of us has our own specific interests and approaches, all of which are informing, enriching.
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes maxine
    Eos Amaterasu: Here be swamps, Sun
    Sun (sunshine.vayandar): hehe
    Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): :)
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): maxine, maybe it could be more dream-like with your presence :)
    Sun (sunshine.vayandar): not easy but I won't give up - to sit close to Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: :))) ((Sun)))
    Sun (sunshine.vayandar): ((Liz))
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Ah, who wouldn't? :)
    Sun (sunshine.vayandar): ;))
    Maxine Walden: I have thought that we might come together appreciating our differences; I have asked Storm if he would co-facilitate the retreat with me; he and I have differences, and great mutual respect :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: (((Ag))))
    Aphrodite Macbain: wonderful
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth) grins
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, nice!
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): (((LIz)))
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): i concur, maxine :)
    Maxine Walden: And that with our own views, experiences, passions that we might offer a kind of container for all of our different explorations
    Wol Euler nods.
    Maxine Walden: Now Storm and I have not had a full chance to discuss this, but these are my first thoughts.
    Lucinda Lavender: luci listens:)
    Maxine Walden: Storm, would you like to share some of your initial thoughts?
    Aphrodite Macbain listens and swallows
    Storm Nordwind: We come from a diversity of backgrounds and have some common interests. So my only intitial thought so far is enjoy that richness that we have when we come together, taking care not to have too much fragmentation. So a richness based from diversity and a common thread is how I see it
    Eos Amaterasu pictures the eye of a needle
    Aphrodite Macbain: How will that richness be broaught out?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: brought
    Storm Nordwind is greatly honored by Maxine's suggestion to work with her on this
    Eliza Madrigal: it is a wonderful idea
    Sun (sunshine.vayandar): ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: it is really nice in general to have people at ends of the boat it seems :)
    Aphrodite Macbain considers the metaphor
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Stops it capsizing Max :p
    Eos Amaterasu: there's a lighthouse to keep it on track
    Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
    Maxine Walden: Lovely images....and yes, Lighthouse Keepers' quarters...
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): storm, that sounds a lot like pab :)
    Eos Amaterasu: being beaming light
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Maxine Walden: Imagine Storm and I, and others as well, may be sharing, shaping our ideas as to how best to address, contain, encourage, ...and not overly fragment...

    Maxine Walden: beacons of light
    Aphrodite Macbain is dazzled
    Aphrodite Macbain too

    Eos Amaterasu noticed that there are no attendee names listed at
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Dazzled
    Maxine Walden: (sorry a non sequitor just then...got dazzled myself by the metaphors)
    Aphrodite Macbain blinks at Aggers

    boxy (alfred.kelberry): can you tell more on fragmentation?

    Maxine Walden: right, Eos, I was not sure whether those who signed up previously would wish to remain on the list, so decided to begin a new list as it were

    Aggers (agatha.macbeth) thinks Aph looks like Stevie Nicks
    SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
    Eos Amaterasu: good idea, Maxine!

    Eliza Madrigal: well, if my in-head calculations are correct, we have :
    Aph, Max, Storm, Susan (?), Bleu (?), Me (?), Wol (?)

    Maxine Walden: which is now open to receive new interest

    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): wb Bleu
    Aphrodite Macbain wonders who Stevie is
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Bleu
    Sun (sunshine.vayandar): wb Bleu ;)
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): thx :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: then also Cal (?) and possibly visiting Luci?
    Wol Euler nods. Still only a ? alas, it'll depend on work and I just don'T know that yet
    Aphrodite Macbain: that would be cool
    Eliza Madrigal: and maybe Riddle :))

    Storm Nordwind believes we have a maximum of 9 places

    Eliza Madrigal: so lots of possibilities
    Maxine Walden: Ah, a longer list than I had thought, Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :) many keeping a light on

    Maxine Walden: yes, we do have a max of 9, which is the one sad thing....but the quarters would seem to hold only that number, given the needs for privacy
    Wol Euler: put me down as "possible filler" then, and please do bump me if somebody else definitely wishes to attend
    Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): (I am a definite)
    Eliza Madrigal: I think all of us who are "?" get bumped for definites
    Wol Euler: good
    Eos Amaterasu: There's only 3 definites - oh, make that 4
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe

    Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): may we talk about "scholarships/sponsoring"?
    Eliza Madrigal: Great, Susan :))
    Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): how does this work if one wishes to do this?
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Maxine Walden: so the definites at this time are Storm, me, and who else?
    Aphrodite Macbain: and does the price go down if there are more people attending?
    Aphrodite Macbain: me
    Eos Amaterasu: and Susan
    Maxine Walden: oh, yes, Susan
    Aphrodite Macbain: yayy
    boxy's nose: Aggers touches me persistently

    Maxine Walden: Aph, yes, the price will go down a bit. The main costs are rental of the quarters, and the caterer. We are going to cut some costs by doing our own breakfasts and I will make a few nice desserts ahead of time...

    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, sweet :)
    Maxine Walden: :) just to sweeten our evenings
    Aphrodite Macbain: very sweet!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: Susan, it seems we would create that (a scholarship-specific avenue for donations) , as it hasn't existed (no precedent) until now ...
    Eliza Madrigal: Storm, Eos? Maybe you could comment?
    Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): ok...pls let me know
    Storm Nordwind is happy to find flights to Seattle are just $230 from Denver :))

    Aphrodite Macbain: normally it's been taken out of another pot?
    Eos Amaterasu: Well, we have had some money that's been earmarked for retreat scholarships
    Eliza Madrigal: yes seattle flights are amazing from miami too somehow
    Eos Amaterasu: to the extent that's it's not being used for ongoing expenses
    Eos Amaterasu: which is now less given that more AV's are making monthly donations
    Aphrodite Macbain: less given?
    Eos Amaterasu: less, given that...
    Aphrodite Macbain: ah

    Eliza Madrigal: Are there other question to ask about he Vashon Island retreat?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Should we put out a reminder to all Guardians about the retreat taking place
    Aphrodite Macbain: there
    Eliza Madrigal: Or shall we move on to 'retreats in general' and Agatha's question

    Eos Amaterasu: If a donation is "earmarked" for retreat scholarships, the bookkeeper can track it, and track whether that much is spent on retreat support
    Eos Amaterasu: (to answer Susan's Q)
    Eos Amaterasu: Suzie's Q
    Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): thank you
    Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: suzy-Q :-)
    boxy's nose: Aphrodite Macbain touches me lovingly

    Eos Amaterasu: A reminder that Nova Scotia retreat is coming right up....
    Eos Amaterasu: July 17-23

    Eliza Madrigal: very soon :))
    Aphrodite Macbain: do you have a good registration Eos?
    Eos Amaterasu: We have six so far
    Eos Amaterasu: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Retreats/2011-07_Windhorse_Farm%2c_NS

    Eos Amaterasu: In general, re retreats, part of it is rethinking how we do PaB type presence in RL
    Eos Amaterasu: 4 weeks off per year was a bit much for me, and even for Pema
    Aphrodite Macbain: are they normally a week long?
    Eos Amaterasu: first one was I think 3 days, is that right?
    Eos Amaterasu: rest were 5 days
    Eos Amaterasu: but it would be nice to experiment with other, shorter forms

    Aphrodite Macbain: could they be a little shorter? would that be a problem?
    Lucinda Lavender: I am interested in doing the three day Idea as well...
    Eos Amaterasu: especially were two or more AVs could get together in RL
    Eos Amaterasu: like Pema did with 3 europeans in Cologne a while back

    Eliza Madrigal: there were 'gatherings' a few times early on, which were shorter... then the first 'big' retreat was Cali, 5 days I think yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: The one in Seattle is 7 days, no?
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): wb x 2 Bleu :)

    Eos Amaterasu: I think Maxine's initiative with Seattle reatreat is great: take advantage of energy and opportunity
    Eos Amaterasu: Seattle is 5 full days

    Bleu (bleu.oleander): having tech difficulties today :)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): We noticed :p
    Maxine Walden: Seattle: begins Sunday evening dinner and ends with Sat breakfast so 5 'plus' days
    Sun (sunshine.vayandar): wb no2 Bleu ;)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Bleu, wb
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, agree Eos
    Aphrodite Macbain: ah, with Sept 25 and Oct 1 being days of travel?
    Maxine Walden: yes, Aph
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) Making an entrance, and entrance, and entrance... @ Bleu
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): :P
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): should have changed my outfit each time :P

    Eos Amaterasu: NS retreat has similar schedule: arrive Sunday night, leave next Saturday morning

    Aggers (agatha.macbeth) grins
    Sun (sunshine.vayandar): true Bleu ;)
    Eliza Madrigal laughs
    Lucinda Lavender: Is Is there any way for me to attend Sunday to Wed night I was wondering...
    Aphrodite Macbain: ok so the retreat wouldn't officially start
    Aphrodite Macbain: till the next day

    Eos Amaterasu: the pub as a a place to meet also seems to be perking up
    Eliza Madrigal: in the same way that PaB has gone 'outside of sessions' a bit this year, with activities, it seems rereats might do similar...
    Aphrodite Macbain: I hope so Luci
    Eos Amaterasu: officially starts Sunday evening with dinner, Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: kk

    Maxine Walden: Luci, let's talk about that. Don't want to exclude any possibilites at this time. :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I was thinking I could sleep on a floor or something:)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: so both SL 5 bells pub and whatever RL pub works are options for short meetings

    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bring a matress Luci
    Eliza Madrigal: camping under the stars.... beneath a window, to hear what's going on, hahah
    Lucinda Lavender: thinking of that!
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): :)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Or a sleeping bag
    Maxine Walden: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Aph will sneak you food
    SophiaSharon Larnia has drug an airmattress o a plane, but have a feeling that wouldnt be necessary
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): sleeping bags retreat out in the wild - that would be nice
    Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): :)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Wow
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) Sharon, true
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'll hand it to you thru the window

    Eos Amaterasu: re partial attendance, it works better to start with the group and leave early, than to join in late after things are underway
    Lucinda Lavender: I would be happy to do that
    Eliza Madrigal: good point Eos
    SophiaSharon Larnia: im sure they have those roll out beds

    Maxine Walden: agree, Eos, that would work best at the Seattle retreat as well

    Aphrodite Macbain: I think they do, or a sofa bed
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Maxine Walden: think there are roll aways available

    Eliza Madrigal: Luci doesn't need to fly, thankfully, so an airbed would be OK
    Eos Amaterasu: or a lifeboat
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Maxine Walden: Luci just needs to ride a ferry
    Lucinda Lavender: and I can bring eggs:)
    Eliza Madrigal: there ya go!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: cool!
    Aphrodite Macbain: she can fly on her airbed
    Maxine Walden: :))
    Eliza Madrigal pictures lifeboat with Luci and chickens....
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): haha

    Maxine Walden: can't you see it now!? Luci, airbed, chickens, crossing the ferry lanes...

    Aphrodite Macbain: why did the chicken cross the ferry lane?

    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): erk
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hey I think i saw something like that before
    Sun (sunshine.vayandar): ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: haha, well I think if that doesn't get as many as can make it to seattle, not much will

    Lucinda Lavender: and I will just bring my delight in attending:)

    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Maxine Walden: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, nice Luci
    Lucinda Lavender: and I can pay as well
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: maybe you can sing
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: can bring multiple guitars
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sing for hots and a cot
    Maxine Walden: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: ooohhh
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Good grief
    Eos Amaterasu: hots?
    Lucinda Lavender: and crayons
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): crayons?
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Colds?

    Maxine Walden: would be great to have music in the evening, on the beach, with Mt Rainier listening in
    Eliza Madrigal: mmmmm
    Eos Amaterasu: Mt Rainier sounds perfect for Storm
    Lucinda Lavender: can imagine drawing the mountain
    SophiaSharon Larnia: * 3 hots and a cot
    stevenaia Michinaga: there was much doodling the 1st retreat
    Aphrodite Macbain: wot's a hots?
    Storm Nordwind: Guitars sound perfect for me too :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a meal
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)
    Eos Amaterasu: hots? SophiaSharon
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Sounds good
    Eliza Madrigal: oh, yes I love those drawings Stevenaia
    Aphrodite Macbain: hot meal -gotcha
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, I think that would be fun to do in sl, somehow Steve
    Eliza Madrigal: would you have the link to those?

    Eliza Madrigal: and Eos, did you want to say something about the apps you brought up in email, also?
    Aphrodite Macbain wonders wheher boxy is bored

    SophiaSharon Larnia: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Retreats/Past_retreats/2008/2008-10_Princeton%2c_NJ%2c_USA at the bottom

    Eos Amaterasu: Idea of apps is as a (cool) way to connect people in RL
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks Sharon!
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): climbing :)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): I can never tell if he's sitting or standing
    Eliza Madrigal: puppies by nature, can't seem to sit still unless they are sleeping
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)

    Eos Amaterasu: Really most simple idea: I'm about to do a 9 sec; I click a button; I see who else is about to do that; after the 15 minute boundary passes, I see who was in a droplet at that time

    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks SSL, faster than I
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): That explains it then
    Eos Amaterasu: next 15 minute boundary, repeat
    Aphrodite Macbain: lovely drawings

    Eos Amaterasu: You can see how that could get more elaborate

    Eliza Madrigal: it is like a smile across the miles, Eos, or a nod?
    Eliza Madrigal: a bow :)

    Eos Amaterasu: such as showing _where_ people are
    Eos Amaterasu: or if they are sitting around a café table together
    Eos Amaterasu: with maybe several such tables
    Eos Amaterasu: or in RL cafe and in SL pub

    SophiaSharon Larnia: where is the app?

    Eos Amaterasu: and the app could offer choice of framings for upcoming 9 secs
    Eos Amaterasu: etc etc (massive feature creeep)
    Eos Amaterasu: There's a lot of tech and graphic and artistic talent here

    Eliza Madrigal: I love the idea
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yes Eos
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): eos, as me and riddle have similar ideas for our apps, i think we should form a team :)
    Eos Amaterasu: so it would make a great group project, art of being in rl and in sl perhaps
    Eos Amaterasu: exactly!
    Eos Amaterasu: yes

    Bleu (bleu.oleander): app team
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
    Eos Amaterasu: PaBapp
    Storm Nordwind: zapp team
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)
    Wol Euler wakes with a start and looks around
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): Wol got zapped
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: bzzzz
    Wol Euler: by my mother, on the phone
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): haha
    Eos Amaterasu: when we talked that a while ago, therte were some privacy issues that came up
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh?
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh?
    Eos Amaterasu: plus issues of RL, and SL, identity
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): there's already a site name for this initiative - apps.playasbeing.org :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: how so Eos?
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): say hi, woly :)
    boxy's nose: Aggers touches me persistently
    Eos Amaterasu: but it's not live, yes?
    boxy's nose: Wol Euler touches me playfully
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): ah, no, eos :)
    Eos Amaterasu: There may be real issues re disclosing real name of a person and where they are at what exact time
    Eos Amaterasu: we have to be aware of that
    Wol Euler nods.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: got message "Oops! Internet Explorer could not find apps.playasbeing.org"
    Wol Euler: where does that info come from?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: why rl name?
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): we'll have to discuss how to set it up
    Wol Euler: exadtly
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm
    Eos Amaterasu: for example, the app could easily have geo info
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): not even my husband has that much info hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: hahahaha
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol Bleu
    Eos Amaterasu: but the NSA does
    Wol Euler: I would strongly hope that you would not be linking to our Facebook IDs, or anything like that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not even our sl fb id?
    Eos Amaterasu: or even not necessarily to SL ids
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh
    Aphrodite Macbain: just our egos
    Wol Euler: right :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, linking to nowhere
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): eos, i would not go beyond pab identities with this
    Wol Euler: linking to a name that you give yourself
    Eliza Madrigal: all over the world
    SophiaSharon Larnia: great. got to think of yet another name lol

    Eos Amaterasu: well, this is also something for people in RL who are not in SL....

    Eliza Madrigal: hahah Sharon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: jk
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) yes, I like that element Eos
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): eos, yes, but they all have sl accounts
    Eos Amaterasu: it opens new opportunities
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: pab out of the virtual box
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it sounds great and id like to try it
    Eos Amaterasu: ie, PaB is not exclusively an SL activity....
    Eliza Madrigal: and yet not excluding virtuality

    Wol Euler: there is a fairly well.established standard now in social media, that you choose a username for yourself, which is whatever you want, and then OPTIONALLY associate a RL id with it

    Eos Amaterasu: so some PaBers may not be in SL.....
    Eos Amaterasu: exactly right, Wol!

    Wol Euler: RL or SL in our case

    boxy (alfred.kelberry): eos, it's not, but everyone who's a mamber of pab has an sl account
    Wol Euler: so they would OPTIONALLY use their RL info
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): yes, woly
    boxy's nose: Wol Euler touches me gently
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm, boxy, that's what I'm saying, that may be de facto true now, but re RL play as being, it doesn't have to be
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, leave room
    Wol Euler nods.
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): eos, i'm talking about user names :)
    Eos Amaterasu: so perhaps someone could choose either their SL alt, or their RL name, or another alias
    Eos Amaterasu: user names on the wiki?
    Wol Euler: whatever they want :)
    Eos Amaterasu: anyway, these are the kinds of issues that could and do come up
    Aphrodite Macbain: their choice
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): this has to be discussion in a more orderly fashion :)
    Wol Euler: and have a profile in which they could optionally identify themselves in additional ways
    Eos Amaterasu: but there could be multiple apps
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): i'm getting lost :)

    Eliza Madrigal: :) Yes I look forward to playing with the possibilities as they show up
    stevenaia Michinaga: looks at boxy

    Eos Amaterasu: so apps.playasbeing.org can be home base for this project, should we choose to accept it....

    boxy (alfred.kelberry): eos, yes, and how we host them is a big question
    Eos Amaterasu: yes

    Eos Amaterasu: we'll have to come up with a name for the group
    Eos Amaterasu: and t-shirts
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Wol Euler: merchandising!
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): t-shirts?
    stevenaia Michinaga whispers: posters!
    Eliza Madrigal: bumper stickers....
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): actually, apps is for any pab-related apps out there :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: and balloons
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh my
    Wol Euler: plush toys
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): :)
    Eliza Madrigal: strange pins that people can identify, worn on hats
    Eos Amaterasu: snowglobes
    stevenaia Michinaga: senses a party about to happen
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
    Aphrodite Macbain giggles
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): can i join the group :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: special handshake too goodness
    Eos Amaterasu: for sure, Yaku
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): feels another crash coming on :)
    Eliza Madrigal: "hey, so I see you drop, eh?"
    Lucinda Lavender: Luci would wear the teashirt

    Wol Euler: we could have a competition to design a plush toy of Being :)

    Eos Amaterasu: oh oh
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Uh oh
    SophiaSharon Larnia: aww Bleu
    Sun (sunshine.vayandar): time for a new entrance Bleu?
    Sun (sunshine.vayandar): ;)))
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): haha
    Eos Amaterasu: new outfit might help
    Storm Nordwind: viewer 2 on a Mac - poor Bleu!
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): haha
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Oww
    Eliza Madrigal: SL doesn't recognize you today
    stevenaia Michinaga: try Phoenix
    Aphrodite Macbain: time for me to exit
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): my cable not my MAC :P
    Sun (sunshine.vayandar): byebyee all time to go to a class ... enjoy your sunday
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Aph
    Wol Euler: bye aph, take care
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) Yes, must get going as well
    Eos Amaterasu: I could set up a google group for the 9 secs PaB app dev group?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Sun
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! everyone
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Phoenix in Phoenix
    Bleu (bleu.oleander): bye everyone :)
    Wol Euler: bye sun
    Sun (sunshine.vayandar): byebyeeee
    Eos Amaterasu: and make an announcement to the whole group?
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth) waves to those going
    Eliza Madrigal: sounds good Eos
    Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): waves
    Eos Amaterasu: ~~, sun, bleu
    Lucinda Lavender: bye sun, bleu
    Maxine Walden: got to go, Friends.
    Eliza Madrigal lingers to get line of final decision re group
    Eos Amaterasu: seeems like we have boxy, yaku, riddle, eos to start with.....
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Maxine, thanks SO much
    Maxine Walden: bye for now. See you all soon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Maxine!
    Wol Euler: bye maxine
    Eos Amaterasu: and anyone else - we need the creative graphics, sounds, design etc as well as the techy
    Lucinda Lavender: bye maxine
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, maybe people could think of others who may suit the project
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye all, thnx, must also depart
    Wol Euler: bye eos, take care
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i volunteer to test it :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Eos :)
    Eos Amaterasu: hopefully they'll come out of the woodwork
    Susan Sorensson (iwandertoo): waves
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I'll volunteer with Sharon
    Eliza Madrigal: tasters
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye susan
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
    Eos Amaterasu: guinea pigs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Lucinda Lavender: bye susan
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i hope its compatible with an iphone!
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Are not pigs and don't come from Guinea :p
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wouldnt that be cool
    Wol Euler: bye susan, bye eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: would be fantastic, as long as one didn't 'have' to have an iphone
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): agreed, aga
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): :)
    Eliza Madrigal: bye for now, thanks everyone
    SophiaSharon Larnia: right Eliza
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye all
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