2011.05.24 19:00 - Everything is an Illusion


    The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.


    I filled in for Eos tonight, SophiaSharon Larnia and the ever quiet Observerm joined us .... sitting with us in the circle on cushions.     An interesting discussion ensued.


    stevenaia Michinaga: hello SSL
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Stevenaia :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: filling in for Eos tonight, seems quiet
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: how are you?, any tornados by you? we had a small one nearby, just trees down, very big trees
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh wow, no tornados, but random furious bouts of rain that passed and bacame bright sunshine
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: may have been a tornado somewhere
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems to be the cycle
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is odd
    stevenaia Michinaga: one minute seems like fall, next minute it's summer
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, although its pleasantly cool now :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i love your dress, reminds me of the outfit I made for one of our art exhibits :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sans skirt :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: it has an optional bussel
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :) burlesque style
    stevenaia Michinaga: but it's a bit back heavy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: still not home on an old comp, but took a picture anyway
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its great
    stevenaia Michinaga: I also have another wild dress :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: looking
    stevenaia Michinaga: SSL poofs


    stevenaia Michinaga: w/b
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thx! My power went completely off!
    stevenaia Michinaga: weather?
    stevenaia Michinaga: wow
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it appears fine out, i thought it was a branch on a powerline, but power came right back on
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nice dress :))
    stevenaia Michinaga: lots of ventilation
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes I see that :P
    stevenaia Michinaga: anything topical come to mind?

    SophiaSharon Larnia: just something ive been thinking about for a week, makes no sense really
    stevenaia Michinaga: :) listens
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i've been thinking of those childrens drawings, where you flip the pages and and drawing appears to move (something small changing in each picture)
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: like each page is one moment
    SophiaSharon Larnia: would you say in that case, change is an illusion?
    stevenaia Michinaga: no, change is eternal, the image was a moment
    stevenaia Michinaga: what I was really thinking was....
    stevenaia Michinaga: looking at a "moment drawing" does not make a moment since you are not in that moment but the moments involved in looking at the one moment
    stevenaia Michinaga: then I decided to answer your questin iin stead :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thinking
    stevenaia Michinaga: not sure moments exist outside you
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I cant be in the drawing
    SophiaSharon Larnia: change is eternal?
    stevenaia Michinaga: only a moment does not change
    stevenaia Michinaga: everything else changes
    stevenaia Michinaga: (unless you convince me otherwise)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: if the moment encapsulates everything, then what is everything else?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry to ask, is sounds confrontational when I do that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :(
    stevenaia Michinaga: isn't everything including everything else
    stevenaia Michinaga: not at all, this is new thinking for me
    SophiaSharon Larnia: everything is an illusion, i have no way to prove or disprove that, not really
    stevenaia Michinaga: the only present moments I have been having regularlly is driving my car... it tells me my gas comsumption at each moment, so I am in the "car moment" as I drive at 60 mph
    SophiaSharon Larnia: interesting feature :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: mindfulness driving


    stevenaia Michinaga: the illusion is the moment, it only exists once, perhaps "once" is the illusion, it only exists as an image of itself .. forever in a photograph,
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i tend to zone when i drive, but become very alert visually, esp. peripherally, Driving is one of the most relaxing things for me (usually!!)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm
    stevenaia Michinaga: moment = "once"
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles at distant observerm
    SophiaSharon Larnia is thinking and is not just very quiet
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    stevenaia Michinaga: me too
    stevenaia Michinaga: what is illusion to you
    SophiaSharon Larnia: all that I really know, is what ive read, or heard people talk about illusion
    stevenaia Michinaga: ..come sit with us Observerm :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: such a yearning grasp for there to be more
    stevenaia Michinaga: is it not real or a deception?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: or is it memorex :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry
    stevenaia Michinaga: I just wnat to understand how a moment can be an illusion :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: isn;t everyhting an illusion then?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: if a small thing changes in each picture/moment, but is fixed in a picture, it appears to me that the change it self was an illusion
    stevenaia Michinaga: like your little "flip book" of reality
    SophiaSharon Larnia: of course, i havent thought of this yet from what you said ealier, that im looking outward in and not from within the moment
    stevenaia Michinaga: *your
    stevenaia Michinaga: but as soon as you "look" the moment is something else
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: it is a moment looked at, not the moment
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sounds familiar\\
    stevenaia Michinaga: you play with the moment, that may be the illusion of change...
    stevenaia Michinaga: you pick up a moment put it on paper, play it look at it, ponder change
    stevenaia Michinaga: it;s all part of change
    stevenaia Michinaga: but I see no illusion of change
    stevenaia Michinaga: isn;t there as much joy in illusion?
    stevenaia Michinaga: whether it exists or not
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think there is :) I havent said that here before, i dont think :)))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks for being clear :)


    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles, all new to me, but I do know joy, or if I don't, I do see it and it seems to matter greatly
    stevenaia Michinaga: looks up joy in Wilipedia... sends me to Happiness :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: *wikipedia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yay
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: new to me too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: too new to bring up here actuially
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happiness
    stevenaia Michinaga: and on.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_happiness
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha "The smiley face is a well-known symbol of happiness"
    stevenaia Michinaga: so much for sucking the life out of happiness
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)))
    stevenaia Michinaga: not that (happy face), the "Philosophy_of_happiness"
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (veryyy slow computer here tonight)
    stevenaia Michinaga: probably similar to PhD in comedy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ha can you imagine :D
    stevenaia Michinaga: there is much to be said for experience, perhaps by experiencing the illution, it will have meaning
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ok
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: whether change it is or isn't, an illusion is not as important a question as being there
    SophiaSharon Larnia: as in, are you or are you not?
    stevenaia Michinaga: no .. just watch , not ask the question
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh, it always comes back to that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    stevenaia Michinaga: letting go of the definition
    stevenaia Michinaga: it makes your shoulders relax
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: there a physical effect to not asking
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: I often think I should be attending to this or that questions, but what's the point, then relax and the answer becomes or does not become relivant all by itself
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes I understand that I think
    stevenaia Michinaga: look...  loosing your keys, you know the saying, that will always be found in the last place you look
    stevenaia Michinaga: so I stop looking knowing when I find them, that's where they they will be any way
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yep
    SophiaSharon Larnia: find myself resisting the idea right now
    SophiaSharon Larnia: which says a lot
    stevenaia Michinaga: hehe, you will stop resisting when you are ready
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: you will stop resisting in the last place you resisted
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahah
    SophiaSharon Larnia: have to go and resist staying awake


    SophiaSharon Larnia: for the day, good night
    stevenaia Michinaga: :) night
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Steve, Observerm :))
    stevenaia Michinaga: hope I didn;t take you to off topic SSL
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Observerm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh noo , my thanks is very geniune! Im grateful
    SophiaSharon Larnia: really, youre right
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ~waves~
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves

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