2011.05.26 13:00 - (dreams of) clarity? What is that?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

    Lia Rikugun: hello wol
    Wol Euler: helo lia
    Lia Rikugun: sorry i am a little late
    Wol Euler: no worries :)
    Lia Rikugun: wow nice costume
    Wol Euler: ty :)
    Wol Euler: and after all the lag lately, I'm glad you can see it:)
    Lia Rikugun: sexy :)
    Wol Euler grins.
    Wol Euler: it was the hair that sold me :)
    Lia Rikugun: yeah its really funny
    Lia Rikugun: lets see if i can make a picture


    Wol Euler: hello susan
    Lia Rikugun: hello iwandertoo
    iwandertoo Resident: hi
    iwandertoo Resident: mobile
    Wol Euler wonders what "mobile" means
    iwandertoo Resident: sorry...on cell phone
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Lia Rikugun: so what do you want to talk about?


    dreaming about what happened during the day...

    Wol Euler: actually I may just listen. I'm really tired today, only had about five hours sleep last night
    Lia Rikugun: oh thats not a lot :(
    Lia Rikugun: did you at least have interesting dreams?
    iwandertoo Resident: ...I will need to leave in about 5 mins. quick lunch break.
    iwandertoo Resident: interesting dreams?
    Wol Euler: I did, if I can recover them :)
    Lia Rikugun: hehe
    Wol Euler: I woke late so didn't make any notes, I have the flavour of the dream rather than any definite recollections
    Wol Euler: I do remember that it was in World of Warcraft, I was trying to complete quests of some kind
    Wol Euler: but couldn'T find somebody I needed to talk to
    Lia Rikugun: did you play WoW yesterday?
    Wol Euler: yes, I did :)
    Lia Rikugun: ahha
    Lia Rikugun: :D
    Wol Euler: and yes, it was a frustrating session :)
    Wol Euler: there is a RL to dream overlap
    Lia Rikugun: i had a similar thing 2 days ago
    Lia Rikugun: i stayed up later to finish filling out forms online
    Wol Euler: mmm?
    Lia Rikugun: and this was really frustrating
    Lia Rikugun: system going down having o rewrite everything etc
    Wol Euler nods.
    Lia Rikugun: so I took this into my sleep
    Lia Rikugun: and dreamt about that
    Wol Euler: did it go better in the dream?
    Lia Rikugun: no
    Wol Euler: was that the resolution of your RL bad experience?
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Lia Rikugun: but the next day :)
    Lia Rikugun: i think it was just the stress that arose while filling out everything
    Wol Euler nods.
    Lia Rikugun: well well


    dream yoga

    Lia Rikugun: i am just finishing up a book about dream yoga
    Qt Core: hi all
    Lia Rikugun: hello Qt
    Wol Euler: helloqt
    Wol Euler: say more about "dream yoga", lia? what is that?
    Lia Rikugun: the last part I read was quite interesting
    Lia Rikugun: it distinguished between 'normal'dreams and dreams of clarity
    Lia Rikugun: and i wonder what exactly this looks like a dream of clarity
    Lia Rikugun: a dream where you connect to your nature
    Lia Rikugun: and can have some insight or knowledge
    Wol Euler: is that what people here usually call "lucid dreaming"?
    Lia Rikugun: nono
    Lia Rikugun: it is different
    Lia Rikugun: lucid dreaming i think refers to being aware that you are dreaming and being able to change the dream in a way
    Qt Core: and there is a way to recognize them ?
    Lia Rikugun: a dream of clarity as I understand relates to a deeper understanding somehow
    Lia Rikugun: to a connection
    Lia Rikugun: maybe meditative dream
    Lia Rikugun: he gives some examples about dreams
    Lia Rikugun: where he could see some things in the future
    Lia Rikugun: the book is called "dream yoga" by namkhai norbu
    Wol Euler: ah, that is a name that recurs here often
    Qt Core: hi Archmage
    Lia Rikugun: "deam yoga and the practice of natural light"
    Wol Euler: hello arch
    Lia Rikugun: hi arch


    clarity, what is that?

    Lia Rikugun: what would be a moment of clarity for you?
    Lia Rikugun: how would you define that?
    Archmage Atlantis: Lia, QT, Wol.....hello
    Wol Euler ponders
    Wol Euler: is this different from dreams in which you recognize the truth of something that puzzled you, or find a solution to a problem?
    Lia Rikugun: I dont know
    Archmage Atlantis: Bears ponder the tree with the honey, they usually accept that the sweet is worth the risk of being stung
    Lia Rikugun: i am just wondering what this could
    Lia Rikugun: mean
    Lia Rikugun: dream of clarity, or well clarity itself
    Lia Rikugun: is this what we are looking for?
    Archmage Atlantis: It means we are alive at this moment
    Lia Rikugun: but i am alive every moment
    Wol Euler: I guess it means a dream in which you understand something for the first time, or in a new way
    Wol Euler: (nice outfit, arch :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Life is a gotcha to that which resists live
    Wol Euler: ping
    Wol Euler: wb lia
    Lia Rikugun: hi sorry
    Lia Rikugun: my computer somehow went off
    Lia Rikugun: so what did you say?
    Lia Rikugun: and clarifications on clarity
    Wol Euler: [13:25] Arch (archmage.atlantis): It means we are alive at this moment [13:25] Lia Rikugun: but i am alive every moment [13:25] Wol Euler: I guess it means a dream in which you understand something for the first time, or in a new way [13:26] Wol Euler: (nice outfit, arch :) [13:26] Arch (archmage.atlantis): Life is a gotcha to that which resists live
    Lia Rikugun: thanks
    Lia Rikugun: but do you sometimes have moments where you know you need to do this
    Lia Rikugun: it just has to happen
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Lia
    Archmage Atlantis: I am here now because I need to do this
    Lia Rikugun: would you say this is a moment of clarity
    Lia Rikugun: i am sorry maybe these are simple questions and the answer is very clear
    Archmage Atlantis: You all know Bruce.......he is not well after his trip to NYC......
    Wol Euler: I'm glad you think the answer is clear! I'm not sure
    Wol Euler: oh, I'm sorry to hear that, arch :(
    Archmage Atlantis: He is over 1000 miles away
    Lia Rikugun: what happened?
    Qt Core: ohh, i home nothing big
    Qt Core: hope
    Archmage Atlantis: You are all my family, yet you are far away
    Wol Euler nods.
    Archmage Atlantis: as the children of this planet shall some day be
    Archmage Atlantis: So we need to learn
    Archmage Atlantis: How to love across the distance
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Lia, for me, it is a moment of clarity
    Archmage Atlantis: I cannot speak for others
    Archmage Atlantis: only for me
    Lia Rikugun: in what way arch?
    Lia Rikugun: what makes it a moment of clarity?
    Archmage Atlantis: I will attempt to answer that Lia.......for me, clarity is seeing what was before me always
    Archmage Atlantis: It is the perception, I was born to see
    Archmage Atlantis: Even though all other perceptions are valid
    Lia Rikugun: interesting
    Lia Rikugun: could you say what brought you to this perception, to this clarity?
    Archmage Atlantis: Mushy, actually
    Archmage Atlantis: Alice
    Lia Rikugun: hm alic
    Lia Rikugun: e
    Archmage Atlantis: the one that mother gives you..doesn't do anything at all...go ask Alice
    Lia Rikugun: ? sorry i dont understand
    Wol Euler: quoting from a Jefferson AIrship song called "white rabbit" :)
    Wol Euler: about drugs and expanding perceptoin
    Wol Euler: and Alice in Wonderland
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Wol
    Archmage Atlantis: And drugs are not required to expand perception
    Lia Rikugun: so drugs brought you clarity? is this what you are saying
    Wol Euler: indeed
    Archmage Atlantis: Fair question, Lia
    Archmage Atlantis: What brings clarity to you, Lia?....and what does clarity mean?
    Lia Rikugun: i dont really know :) I am trying to find out
    Lia Rikugun: i read these words in the book
    Lia Rikugun: and it turns out it wasnt very clear to me what that means
    Lia Rikugun: so thats why i am asking :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Good, so are we all (trying to find out, that is)
    Lia Rikugun: yes
    Archmage Atlantis: There are no true gurus
    Lia Rikugun: i could imagine it could be moments where you know you need to do something, you dont know why but you know it has to be done
    Lia Rikugun: but I am sure there is much more to it
    Lia Rikugun: and most probably there is a better definition
    Lia Rikugun: arch said for him it is a moment where he realizes he is born to see right?
    Lia Rikugun: and wol said for her it is moments where for the first time she understands things, right?
    Wol Euler: yes but
    Wol Euler: that was my answer to the question I *thought* you were asking, what a dream of clarity might be
    Lia Rikugun: ah ok
    Wol Euler: clarity is probably all of these things, if it's anything
    Lia Rikugun: so what is clarity?
    Lia Rikugun: all of these things
    Lia Rikugun: as i understand it from the book, the author does not that much distiguish between dreams of clarity and clarity itself
    Archmage Atlantis: Let me give it another attempt
    Lia Rikugun: ok
    Lia Rikugun: listening :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Clarity is the willingness to accept sensory input that conflicts with the structure that one has at that point established as one's own base line
    Lia Rikugun: wow i need to read a second time :)
    Lia Rikugun: may i try to formulate in my own words to see if I understood arch?
    Archmage Atlantis: certainly
    Lia Rikugun: being open towards things you would not expect to happen?
    Archmage Atlantis: yes
    Lia Rikugun: yeay!
    Lia Rikugun: 100 points for me
    Archmage Atlantis: that is a part of it
    Lia Rikugun: oh ok
    Lia Rikugun: tell me the other part
    Archmage Atlantis: parts, I think, but do not know
    Qt Core: need to go, bye all
    Archmage Atlantis: open to knowing that there is more than can be known
    Lia Rikugun: byebye qt
    Lia Rikugun: I see
    Wol Euler: bye qt
    Archmage Atlantis: hasta luego Q
    Archmage Atlantis: Each moment of life is a chrysalis
    Lia Rikugun: a flower?
    Archmage Atlantis: A bug
    Lia Rikugun: oh yes i looked it up :)
    Archmage Atlantis: A worm, gathered into itself, to become something else more beautiful
    Lia Rikugun: thats a nice image
    Archmage Atlantis: Time to dance
    Wol Euler: time for bed :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and Namaste
    Lia Rikugun: thank you was a very nice session
    Lia Rikugun: i wish you dreams of clarty ;)
    Wol Euler: may we all have dreams of clarity not
    Wol Euler: *now
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Lia Rikugun: haha
    Wol Euler: goodnight, lia
    Lia Rikugun: good night!

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