2011.05.27 13:00 - technological change and sillyness

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey, good afternoon ewan
    Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey boxy, what kind of tea ?
    Alfred Kelberry: where is everyone?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bleu couldn´t come, eden is still in paris
    Alfred Kelberry: she left egypt?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: last week we had 4 ppl in the session today only one stepped by at the bells
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how the heck did i say paris ?
    Alfred Kelberry: why did you change the location?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: egypt
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm they stole the obilisk ? :P
    Alfred Kelberry: cause she speaks french :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i have no idea how paris entered my mind
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes somehow
    Alfred Kelberry: we're so good at labeling things
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so how has your day been so far boxy ?
    Alfred Kelberry: not bad, thanks :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i was wondering, were there any more thoughs regarding the notification system of ppl at the bells pub ?
    Alfred Kelberry: not since the guardians meeting
    Yakuzza Lethecus: when i was sitting there before i only missing the 90seconds notifier
    Yakuzza Lethecus: with clear announcement and ending
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, i am still unsure weather i leave it there or stay here for the happyhour
    Alfred Kelberry: are you talking about the app that eos mentioned?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, i mentioned 2 subjects :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: one would be to do the 90 seconds in the pub as well after like triggering any pabish object
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and the other subject was the app
    Alfred Kelberry: i think the pub is a different place
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, but you might still like to do the 90sec there as well
    Alfred Kelberry: 90 sec would look alien there to me
    Yakuzza Lethecus: on and offswitchable
    Wol Euler: hello yaku, boxy
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, that was at least my thought before
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you wol :
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Wol Euler: me wol, you yaku
    Alfred Kelberry: woly :)
    Alfred Kelberry: spiky heels
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello alessa
    Alessa Tzal: Good evening :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: have you been here before ?
    Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
    Alessa Tzal: Oh yes :)
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Wol Euler: yeah, alessa is an old friend
    Alessa Tzal: Hiya Boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: um...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, i have a guess
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Wol Euler: hello alessa
    Alessa Tzal: Hello my dear :)
    Alfred Kelberry: *scratches his ear*
    Alessa Tzal: Another big crowd?
    Alfred Kelberry: um..
    Alfred Kelberry: that's kind of persistent
    Alessa Tzal: I'm touching you persistently :p
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, i forgot woly...
    Alessa Tzal: How could you forget Wol?
    Wol Euler huffs. How could you forget me
    Wol Euler: snap
    Alessa Tzal: Snap
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: neat
    Ewan Bonham: We all forget soome things..:)
    Ewan Bonham: Nice picture...:)
    Alfred Kelberry: it's funny, this woly looks different
    Alessa Tzal: Isn't it the same one?
    Alfred Kelberry: maybe it's cause it's woly from the past
    Alessa Tzal: Back to the future?
    Wol Euler: sideways to forever
    Alessa Tzal: As well
    Alessa Tzal: From here to eternity
    Ewan Bonham: Could also be in part the present..:)
    Ewan Bonham: Eternal...:)
    Alessa Tzal: Mm, who knows?
    Alessa Tzal: Well, that killed the bell
    Alfred Kelberry: no spiky heels
    Alessa Tzal: You?
    Wol Euler: sorry
    Alessa Tzal: They wouldn't fit a dog :p
    Wol Euler: but not always, some outfits needs shitkicking boots.
    Wol Euler: and these is they
    Alessa Tzal: Indeed
    Ewan Bonham: The face looks the same..:)
    Alfred Kelberry: aha
    Alessa Tzal: Good :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Alfred Kelberry: we should make a copy
    Alessa Tzal: Loadsa Wols
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Wol Euler: gah
    Yakuzza Lethecus: there is only ONE wol :)
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Wol Euler needs tea to cope with this.
    Alfred Kelberry: hehe
    Alessa Tzal enjoys the scenery
    Ewan Bonham: Yes, the backgrounsd is a nice touch..:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello chi
    Wol Euler: and hello ewan, sorry, didn'T see you before
    Wol Euler: hello chi
    Alessa Tzal: Hello Chi
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Alessa Tzal: When did you take the pics Alf?
    Alfred Kelberry: woly did
    Alfred Kelberry: the other day
    Wol Euler grins.
    Alessa Tzal: They have your name on them...
    Wol Euler: it was a REALLY laggy day, nobody could see me at all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zen
    Wol Euler: so I made a screenshot and gave it to boxy
    Alessa Tzal: Hello Zen
    Wol Euler: who put it up
    Wol Euler: hello zen
    Alessa Tzal: Twice
    Alfred Kelberry: zen-san
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    Ewan Bonham: Hi Zen
    Alfred Kelberry: ales, the poster woly was present on one of the meetings already
    Alfred Kelberry: zen was there :)
    Zen Arado: yes on my session
    Ewan Bonham: Smile..
    Alfred Kelberry: ara :)
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    arabella Ella: Hiya!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ara and bleu
    Wol Euler: hello bleu
    Alessa Tzal: Hello Ara :)
    Alessa Tzal: and Bleu :)
    Zen Arado: I told Alf you had a beautiful Flickr page with your outfuts Wol
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Zen Arado: Hi Ara :)
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, yes, flickr!
    Wol Euler: and now I have a cyberstalker?
    Zen Arado: Hi Bleu :)
    Alessa Tzal: With a bone
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Bleu Oleander: nice pics
    Alessa Tzal: Well, it's different
    Alfred Kelberry: um... i'll have to remove the poster woly by an anonymous request
    Alessa Tzal: Aww
    Wol Euler: look at your IMs to see my previous non-anonymous request to remove them :)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Alessa Tzal: We could have a raffle for them
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, i liked them
    Alfred Kelberry: someone didn't
    Alfred Kelberry: *looks around*
    Alessa Tzal: No taste...
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Zen Arado: it's a nive pose Ithought
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well someone could anonymously start a subject :)
    Zen Arado: nice
    Wol Euler: ty
    Ewan Bonham: Anonymously?
    Bleu Oleander: subject? there's a subject
    Alfred Kelberry: *thinks the twitbox could introduce a subject anonymously*
    Bleu Oleander: what are the top 10 subjects in PaB?
    Alessa Tzal: Well I think time must be up there
    Bleu Oleander: time is a great one, yes
    Bleu Oleander: Being ... another
    Alessa Tzal: Dreams?
    Bleu Oleander: yep
    Chi Aho: I saw a science program yesterday about time.
    Alessa Tzal: I like your submarine dream btw Wol
    Wol Euler: ty :)
    Wol Euler grins.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: pls elaborate chi
    Chi Aho: Well, it seems they have now identified the actual cells in the brain that give us all a subjective sense of time.
    Alfred Kelberry: submarine?
    Chi Aho: right about in the center of the brain
    Alessa Tzal: Mine are missing, evidently
    Chi Aho: some people's are mis-set and so they literally live in another time zone
    Chi Aho: getting up at 3 a.m. every morning, for example
    Alessa Tzal: Sounds like SL :p
    Zen Arado: I can never quite see how knowing in what rewgion of the brain certain types of thinking takes place actually helps us understand anything any better though
    Ewan Bonham: Lol...
    Chi Aho: it help us understand how the brain works
    Alfred Kelberry: chi, does it mean it's "wrong"? that the function is disturbed?
    Zen Arado: yeh maybe
    Zen Arado: but....
    Ewan Bonham: Yes, it is helpful for research...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well at some point having some pieces of the puzzle together helps fitting it all
    Wol Euler: it gives the scientists reason to believe that they'll understand how we think Really Soon Now
    Ewan Bonham: But it may not answer the question of where the collective soul is that we can all tap into...:)
    Zen Arado: it's like looking in the back of a TV to try to understand the program on the screen
    Chi Aho: alfred, first of all we are not all set identically, but some are radically off so i don't know whether scientists would call that wrong or not
    Bleu Oleander: we had to understand the back of the tv before we were able to watch the program :)
    Zen Arado: I don't thiunk we will ever understand consciousness
    Bleu Oleander: never say never
    Alessa Tzal: You just did :p
    Bleu Oleander: :P
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Zen Arado: yeh but there is a huge gap between the physical sunstance of ther brain and conscioiusness
    Zen Arado: what do you think Ara?
    Bleu Oleander: gap is getting smaller
    arabella Ella: dont we already understand a lot more than we did 30 years ago?
    Chi Aho: Maybe the question is not how consciousness arose from a material universe, but how a material universe arises from consciousness
    Zen Arado: but to me it is justifying areas that light up with certain thoughts
    Zen Arado: so what?
    Zen Arado: just finding I meant
    Wol Euler: sure, ara
    arabella Ella: you mean correlations
    arabella Ella: yes
    Bleu Oleander: I think there's a lot more to it than that
    Ewan Bonham: i like the idea that reality comes from consciousness..:)
    Chi Aho: and that the entire universe is itself experiencing consciousness
    arabella Ella: but quantum physics, MRI scans and brain surgery have gone a long way to gaining more understanding even tho the brain has its plasticity and at times compensates for loss
    Ewan Bonham: that allows me to accept responsibility of how I see and relate to the world..:)
    Zen Arado: yeh ...was watching a prog about Ayn Rand earlier
    Chi Aho: ugh
    Bleu Oleander: did anyone see the Ayn Rand movie yet?
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
    Bleu Oleander: Atlas Shrugged?
    Wol Euler: there's an ayn rand movie? aah
    Wol Euler: don
    Zen Arado: ok but they didn't gain that knowledge from physical examinatiokn of the brain did they?
    Wol Euler: don't think I will be queueing to see that
    Zen Arado: this was a BBC documentary
    Bleu Oleander: me either, was just curious
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Bleu Oleander: read the book, that was enough
    Wol Euler: I read The Fountainhead, to my sorrow and shame; in my defense, all architecture students have to
    arabella Ella: both physical examination of the brain and philosophical thinking (also in the area of AI) help to gain understanding i think Zen
    Bleu Oleander: haha
    Wol Euler: it's like getting drunk and puking on someone's shoes. You just have to do it.
    Bleu Oleander: ugh
    Wol Euler: sorry, bad example :)
    Alessa Tzal: I never have
    arabella Ella understands Wol's feelings perfectly here
    Zen Arado: I think you would enjoy this Sophie: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ove_and_Power/
    Wol Euler: but you can infer my feelings about the book from that example coming to mind.
    Bleu Oleander: someone did that to me on a plane once
    Alessa Tzal: The pilot?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bbc isn´t working here :(
    Bleu Oleander: haha
    Zen Arado: yeh pity
    Wol Euler: wow, that looks interesting Zen.
    Wol Euler: ah, "not available in my area."
    Zen Arado: it goes on to talk about how we rely on computers too much
    Wol Euler: that's a loaded statement for a SL avatar to make :)
    Bleu Oleander: was thinking same :)
    Alessa Tzal smiles
    Zen Arado: taster: http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/vi...et-adam-curtis
    Zen Arado: maybe someone will post on Youtube
    arabella Ella: Zen we cant turn back on progress it would not make any sense so we should take threats to be opportunities
    Zen Arado: but that's technological determinisism Ara ?
    Bleu Oleander: progress .... hmmm not always as it seems maybe
    Zen Arado: because we can do something we must do it
    arabella Ella: no that is not what i mean
    Zen Arado: maybe that's part of our problems nowadays
    Bleu Oleander: so we're here 'cause we can and we must :)
    Zen Arado: we don't stop and consider implications
    arabella Ella: can we imagine a world with no vaccines, with no planes, with no laptops, etc?
    Zen Arado: 'yes we can'
    Ewan Bonham: Well, as with computers, when the technology becomes as practical as something we can then use to better our lives daily, then the purpose will become more obvious.
    Zen Arado: :)
    Wol Euler: yes: the middle ages
    arabella Ella: Can we as individuals stop technological change?
    Chi Aho: Yes, arabella
    Wol Euler: sure: we can go off and join the Amish on their candle-lit, horsedrawn farms
    Chi Aho: exactly
    Zen Arado: not stop but think about it a bit more maybe
    Bleu Oleander: can we help direct it better?
    Ewan Bonham: We could never have imagined walking around with cell phones just 10 years ago...:)
    Chi Aho: or join a commune
    Chi Aho: or become a hermit
    Yakuzza Lethecus: should we even stop change ? we can only influence the change in a way
    Chi Aho: these are real choices
    Zen Arado: no need to go to other extreme
    Yakuzza Lethecus: to prevent too negative unforseen outcomes
    Ewan Bonham: Anyone here not use a cell phone?
    Wol Euler: :
    Wol Euler: :)
    arabella Ella: first of all chi not everyone is that free to go off and for example become a hermit
    Zen Arado: 'the rise of the machines'
    Zen Arado: chuckles
    arabella Ella: and look at us all at our keyboards looking at our monitors
    Chi Aho: well, you can in your mind and then 20 years later maybe really do it, ara
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thinking of hermits, bruce is kind of one and is connected to the world by sattelite :)
    Zen Arado: Bid Arnie coming back from the future
    Ewan Bonham: but if the technology is used to enhance our lives, then we have more time fo joyful endeavors..
    Zen Arado: Big
    Bleu Oleander: where is Bruce btw (waves hi)
    Ewan Bonham: I use my comp[uter for biofeedback to help me meditate faster, for example..:)
    arabella Ella: technology is even used to alleviate suffering today
    arabella Ella: surgery
    Wol Euler: arch says bruce is ill :(
    arabella Ella: anastesia
    Alessa Tzal: Awww
    Wol Euler: but gave no details
    Zen Arado: oh
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, didn´t hear about that :(
    Wol Euler: came down with something in NY
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i thought he´s in NYC
    Bleu Oleander: (aww .... hope you feel better Bruce)
    Zen Arado: yes
    Zen Arado: GWS Bruce
    arabella Ella: owwwww GWS Brucie!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: *good wishes bruce*
    Alessa Tzal hugs Brucie
    Ewan Bonham: a moment of well intions for Bruce
    Zen Arado: missed him at WoK too
    Wol Euler: funny how one can miss patterns as they occur, and/but spot them easily afterwards
    Wol Euler: he hasn'T posted in the email forum in over a week either
    Zen Arado: yeh too near the action
    Alessa Tzal: Chess players will tell you that too :p
    Wol Euler: hehehe
    Zen Arado: article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-rad...f-loving-grace
    Zen Arado: sorry for going on about this
    arabella Ella: one good thing about technology for me is that it connects me to ppl from all over the world as we get together here too
    Wol Euler: don't be, zen :) it's intereseting
    Bleu Oleander: very timely issue
    Zen Arado: politicians are losing power to the machine it seems
    Alessa Tzal: Not so bad then
    Bleu Oleander: not just politicians
    Wol Euler: no more so than the rest of us
    Zen Arado: I'm not clear what the prog said
    Zen Arado: seemed to bring too many factors for me
    Wol Euler: they shout more because they miss it, whereas most of us are used to having little practical power
    Zen Arado: like Clinton Nad Monica Lewisnky
    Ewan Bonham: Yes, like fire...it can be used in so many ways...and if done consciously, can enhance our lives...:)
    arabella Ella: technology also has the ability to address democratic issues from the grassroots up
    Ewan Bonham: Yes, through up to the minute polls...:)
    arabella Ella: although it was scarey today to see how Saudi and the USA are trying to get involved in changes in Mid East to protect their interests
    Alessa Tzal: onigokko
    Alessa Tzal: stop
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Bleu Oleander: phew!
    Wol Euler: friday FTW
    Zen Arado: the rise of onigokko power
    Zen Arado: :)
    Bleu Oleander: there's yet another good thing about tech
    Alessa Tzal: The onigokko in the machine
    Bleu Oleander: our inner onigokko
    Yakuzza Lethecus: japanet
    Alessa Tzal: Nice to see the mask in the right place this time :p
    Zen Arado: it isn't aginst technology per se but how we rely on..especially computers.. to run our financial system
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ever since that friday morning :)
    Alessa Tzal: Mmm
    Wol Euler nods.
    Bleu Oleander: and out L$ accts!
    Bleu Oleander: *our
    Zen Arado: quits thinking
    Zen Arado: hurts my brain :)
    Alessa Tzal: Good idea :)
    Zen Arado: lets the machines do it instead
    Zen Arado: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, have faith in the altruistic selfless programmers :)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Wol Euler scoffs.
    Zen Arado: Rand didn't believe in altruism
    Alessa Tzal: You mean Linux users?
    Wol Euler: linux, maybe; apple, possibly; microsoft: no.
    Bleu Oleander: it's a good thing some do
    Bleu Oleander: altruism, that is
    Wol Euler: agreed
    Wol Euler: the internet runs on it.
    Wol Euler: all the many wikis
    Wol Euler: and the free apps
    Wol Euler: etc
    Zen Arado: so the internet promote altruistic behaviour in a way?
    Bleu Oleander: some yes, some not so much
    Zen Arado: and takes away power from dictators
    Wol Euler: yes, I think so; by making it easily and cheaply possible, and by making the results immediately visible to many people
    arabella Ella: gtg good night all!
    Wol Euler: 'night ara, take care
    Bleu Oleander: nite ara
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sleep well ara
    Zen Arado: nite Ara
    Chi Aho: gn, ara
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nice to see you around again
    Alessa Tzal: Bye for now
    Bleu Oleander: bye .... nice weekend all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bleu, alessa
    Wol Euler: bye bleu, take care
    Chi Aho: bye too to all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: all leavers and i am also putting myself to bed
    Zen Arado: bye Bleu
    Wol Euler: bye yaku
    Alessa Tzal: Schlaf gut yaku
    Zen Arado: bye Alessa
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night
    Alessa Tzal: Bye
    Alessa Tzal: Mention Ayn rand and it clears the room
    Zen Arado: haven't seen Mick around for a while
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Wol Euler: no surprise
    Alessa Tzal: No, me either
    Zen Arado: yeh
    Wol Euler: true...
    Alessa Tzal: Change to see Ara again
    Zen Arado: did Fael leave SL?
    Alessa Tzal: Yes
    Alessa Tzal: Unfortunately
    Wol Euler: yep
    Zen Arado: never see him either
    Wol Euler: cancelled her account
    Alessa Tzal: So sad
    Zen Arado: wonder why?
    Alessa Tzal: Maybe hitting 30 in RL had something to do with it
    Wol Euler: change of interests, I inferred: going back to university, getting immersed in Eve Online, and some RL stuff
    Zen Arado: hitting 30 hmmmm
    Alessa Tzal nods
    Zen Arado: make me feel so old :(
    Alessa Tzal: Yep
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Alessa Tzal: A lot of people at that age go through a 'must do something with my life phase'
    Alessa Tzal: I did too
    Zen Arado: yeh true
    Zen Arado: I started the Open University
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Alessa Tzal: OMG
    Zen Arado: studying with it I mean
    Wol Euler is relieved
    Zen Arado: it was Harold Wilson did that
    Zen Arado: :)
    Alessa Tzal: Did it affect the pind in your pocket?
    Alessa Tzal: pound*
    Zen Arado: he out down his pipe for a while and di it
    Alessa Tzal: Sorry, thinking of pint
    Zen Arado: he he
    Alessa Tzal: As he said at the brighton conference
    Zen Arado: surprised you remember that
    Wol Euler: is that a pint in your pocket or are you just a little *too* glad to see me?
    Alessa Tzal: Sadly yes
    Zen Arado: :)
    Alessa Tzal pokes Wol
    Wol Euler laughs.
    Zen Arado: was ity worth all that work I ak myself?
    Alessa Tzal: Good question
    Zen Arado: I could have just lazed about and had more fun
    Alessa Tzal: Just like any student :p
    Zen Arado: pity you can't live two lives and compare
    Alessa Tzal: But we do
    Wol Euler: eh?
    Alessa Tzal: First and second
    Zen Arado: :)
    Wol Euler: ah
    Zen Arado: I did an engineering degree first
    Zen Arado: was hard work
    Alessa Tzal hears the pfenig drop
    Zen Arado: not much fun
    Zen Arado: a little perhaps at summer schools
    Alessa Tzal: Could be worse
    Alessa Tzal: Not much, admittedly
    Wol Euler: you could have had no fun and no OI degree
    Zen Arado: I was in love with education I guess
    Alessa Tzal: But was it in love with you?
    Zen Arado: it fought back
    Zen Arado: and nearly won
    Zen Arado: :)
    Wol Euler: heh
    Alessa Tzal: Aw
    Zen Arado: was just perseverance in the end
    Zen Arado: not my brilliance for sure
    Zen Arado: just another slogger
    Alessa Tzal: Perseverance is commendable
    Zen Arado: but I guess that's somethinf to be proud of too
    Zen Arado: yeh
    Zen Arado: getting late
    Zen Arado: I better go
    Alessa Tzal: We all move at our own pace
    Wol Euler: goodnight zen, take care
    Wol Euler: enjoy the weekend
    Alessa Tzal: Bye for now Zen
    Zen Arado: nite Wol, Alessa
    Alessa Tzal: Watch out for Ian Paisley :p
    Zen Arado: have a nice weekend too
    Zen Arado: :)
    Wol Euler: heh
    Wol Euler: eh
    Alessa Tzal: Night Wol
    Wol Euler: 'night aggers, take care
    Alessa Tzal: Schlaf gut <3
    Wol Euler: dir auch <3
    Alessa Tzal: :)

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