2011.06.09 01:00 - I am not this body

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Zen Arado. The comments are by Zen Arado.Present were Archmage Atlantis, dannyjk Resident and myself

    Feline discussion:

    Zen Arado: Hi Arch :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Zen *smile*
    Zen Arado: so ..how are you?
    Archmage Atlantis: A really big topic, but stilll..... I have a new cat, and he and the old one just realized they are both staying here today.......I think they both thought they were in transit
    Zen Arado: you take them places?
    Archmage Atlantis: The really old guy made his displeasure know with accidents on my bed tonight
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh, the word transit
    Archmage Atlantis: No, transit means.....you are going to live in a new home.....at least in this context
    Zen Arado: cats don't like movingplaces in my experience
    Zen Arado: they get attached to the same place
    Archmage Atlantis: True, nor do I
    Zen Arado: I had a big white tom cat
    Zen Arado: had him 10 years
    Zen Arado: but he got run over
    Zen Arado: think I told you
    Archmage Atlantis: You probably did......but I don't remember.... still I can see you with a big tom cat
    Archmage Atlantis: Nimbus is 17 yo, he used to be big
    Archmage Atlantis: Now he is shriveled up
    Zen Arado: that's a good age for a cat
    Zen Arado: I had two females reached 16
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, Chester is 2 1/2, and he's the new guy......He's 13 lbs.........and hiding under the bed after Nim hissed at him.
    Zen Arado: that's big
    Archmage Atlantis: Today is the 3rd day
    Archmage Atlantis: Big for a regular cat....normal size for a Bengal
    Zen Arado: ah
    Zen Arado: mine was a Cymrian or something
    Zen Arado: can't find it on google
    Zen Arado: had long fluffy fur
    Archmage Atlantis: That breed name sounds familiar
    Archmage Atlantis: Let me brb, and I will brb
    Zen Arado: Cymric I think it is
    Zen Arado: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymric_%28cat%29
    Zen Arado: yeh he had a little stump tail
    Zen Arado: kind of a Manx cat
    Zen Arado: you know Manx?
    Zen Arado: from the Isle of \man
    Archmage Atlantis: U loved him?
    Zen Arado: an island between Ireland and England
    Zen Arado: yeh was very sad when he died
    Zen Arado: he was a real character
    Zen Arado: I could take him for a walk

    Children and nature:

    Zen Arado: I was just reading Eckhart Tolle on how having pets is beneficial for children
    Zen Arado: "To have an animal at home is a great help. If children relate to the dog, it’s a non-conceptual relationship. You can touch the dog, look after the dog. Getting out into nature periodically, without the gadgets that [kids] usually have."
    Archmage Atlantis: Pets allow us to think of them as pets, ...... for me they are other entities sharing this space
    Zen Arado: they help put us in touch with the natural world
    Zen Arado: he says kids are so into TV and games that they lose touch with nature
    Archmage Atlantis: In this, I disagree with Mr. Tolle
    Zen Arado: yes? why?
    Archmage Atlantis: For me, that is a vision that is limited
    Archmage Atlantis: For me, I do not have to give up A to be B
    Archmage Atlantis: I can be A, B, or AB
    Zen Arado: yeh, but he says it is good for kids to get out into nature periodically
    Archmage Atlantis: I agree
    Zen Arado: it's more that they never do nowadays
    Archmage Atlantis: Why give up A
    Archmage Atlantis: ?
    Archmage Atlantis: Add on B
    Zen Arado: times have changed since we were young
    Archmage Atlantis: Times change, that is what time is, change
    Zen Arado: when I was a kid we played all day in the fields and in the street
    Zen Arado: those games we played taught social interaction
    Zen Arado: today's kids seem more isolated
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes
    Archmage Atlantis: That is true
    Archmage Atlantis: Or accurate to my way of thinking
    Zen Arado: "When [kids] are learning language, encourage them not to equate concepts with reality. When you teach them what something is, encourage them to touch it, to see it, to feel it, not just to say, “this is called such-and-such”. Continue to look at it. Otherwise, you stop experiencing – and all you have is a mental label."
    Zen Arado: he is more worried about the way they deal with just concepts and not reality itself
    Zen Arado: like we have to remember too
    Zen Arado: I spend too much time away from nature too I am thinking
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, I see that
    Zen Arado: sometimes I don't leave my apartment for days
    Zen Arado: but being disabled cna make you be like that
    Archmage Atlantis: My Nim poops on my bed to tell me I am still in this world
    Zen Arado: since I don't drive any more
    Zen Arado: :)
    Zen Arado: that's reality ok :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I hope he will teach Chester
    Zen Arado: it was the same with my dog when he got old
    Zen Arado: they get incontinent
    Archmage Atlantis: Nim doesn
    Archmage Atlantis: t
    Archmage Atlantis: poop
    Archmage Atlantis: without something to tell me
    Zen Arado: animals try to tell us things but we aren't listening sometimes
    Archmage Atlantis: He never does it if he approves of the way things are going
    Archmage Atlantis: yes
    Zen Arado: my dog got me out in the mornings anyway
    Zen Arado: even in the rain
    Zen Arado: or freezing cold
    Archmage Atlantis: Zen, in September I will be 60 yo in human years
    Zen Arado: the big 6 0
    Archmage Atlantis: Bringing in the young, the plants, the animal, the dream
    Archmage Atlantis: This is who I am
    Archmage Atlantis: I am glad i know
    Archmage Atlantis: And you
    Archmage Atlantis: have in this time
    Archmage Atlantis: have helped me see
    Archmage Atlantis: I thank you

    We are NOT the body:

    Zen Arado: we are not this body
    Zen Arado: we are beyond it
    Archmage Atlantis: We are, but we are also what animates it
    Zen Arado: "It is enough if you do not imagine yourself to be the body. It is the 'I-am-the-body' idea that is so calamitous. It blinds you completely to your real nature. Even for a moment do not think that you are the body. Give yourself no name, no shape. In the darkness and the silence reality is found."
    Zen Arado: Nisargadatta said that
    Zen Arado: I have been thinking about that all week
    Zen Arado: it really jolted me
    Zen Arado: I was thinking last night...if I drive a car I don't think I am a car
    Zen Arado: so why do I identify with my body?
    Zen Arado: especially if it is an old disabled body ;)
    Zen Arado: physical appearance is held to be so important in our society and culture
    Zen Arado: and yet we know good looks are so transient
    Archmage Atlantis: I wish to say something about myself in response
    Zen Arado: kk
    Archmage Atlantis: I have never thought of myself as attractive
    Archmage Atlantis: I am creatively intelligent

    Danny arrived and we lost the thread a bit:

    Zen Arado: Hi Danny
    dannyjk Resident: hi!
    dannyjk Resident: what are u guys doin?
    Zen Arado: you been here before? (sorry Arch)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi Danny
    dannyjk Resident: Nope
    dannyjk Resident: new to sl
    dannyjk Resident: so u guys meditating?
    Zen Arado: well we have discussions that are recorded and put on a Wiki so we have to ask you if you are ok with that?
    dannyjk Resident: i have to speak out
    dannyjk Resident: ?
    dannyjk Resident: like actual speaking?
    Zen Arado: no not necessarily
    dannyjk Resident: Alright i am game!
    Zen Arado: I have given you a notecard explains what we are about
    Zen Arado: go on Arch?
    dannyjk Resident: alright..
    dannyjk Resident: Hi arch!
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, Danny's presence changes my thoughts
    Zen Arado: ok
    dannyjk Resident: can i speak up?
    Zen Arado: understand
    Zen Arado: sure
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes
    dannyjk Resident: Ok arch..why does ur thoughts get strayed away when i came in?
    Archmage Atlantis: There was a intimacy Zen and I were sharing (at least in my mind)
    dannyjk Resident: hmmm...
    Zen Arado: not your fault Danny
    dannyjk Resident: yeah i totally understand
    Zen Arado: it's the nature of this place that people can wander in anytime
    dannyjk Resident: so arch how long have you been here?
    Archmage Atlantis: about 3 years
    dannyjk Resident: hmm..
    dannyjk Resident: and you zen?
    Zen Arado: you are fairly recent I see Danny
    dannyjk Resident: yup
    dannyjk Resident: new to sl
    Zen Arado: yeh I have been in SL about 3 1/2 years
    dannyjk Resident: had a diff account 4 yrs back
    dannyjk Resident: but lost my userid
    dannyjk Resident: sorry if i am interrupting you arch..go on..
    Archmage Atlantis: This is my original account......the name was for me
    dannyjk Resident: thatz gr8
    Archmage Atlantis: It is also a weiner
    Zen Arado: yeh I have an alt but don't use it much
    Zen Arado: ust for experimentation
    dannyjk Resident: hmm
    dannyjk Resident: so where u guys from?
    Zen Arado: I live in N.Ireland
    dannyjk Resident: and u arch?
    Archmage Atlantis: I was watching Chris Matthews today, wondering why he was so upset about using u for you.....then I remembered how I was in the 1960s
    Archmage Atlantis: I live in SW FL
    dannyjk Resident: gr8!
    dannyjk Resident: hey anywys nice talking to you guys..but i have to go
    Zen Arado: it's funny but I don't like that text speak
    Archmage Atlantis: np
    Zen Arado: bye Danny
    Zen Arado: nice to meet you
    dannyjk Resident: bye guys..oh btw i am from india!cya
    Zen Arado: ok
    Archmage Atlantis: Rather differse
    Zen Arado: funny how someone arriving interupts things
    Zen Arado: breaks a flow...
    Zen Arado: changes everything...
    Zen Arado: but we have to be open to whatever transpires I guess
    Archmage Atlantis: Fuess?
    Zen Arado: did I say fuess?
    Archmage Atlantis: I did


    Zen Arado: I have learned a lot form being a guardian at these sessions
    Archmage Atlantis: me 2
    Zen Arado: i try to control thngs too much
    Zen Arado: probably because I used to teach classes
    Zen Arado: and kinda had to be in control
    Archmage Atlantis: That is only seeiing structure
    Archmage Atlantis: and heling
    Zen Arado: yeh but I was paid to impart information in a digestible format
    Zen Arado: not explore the nature of life :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I was paid to figure out how to maximize monetary inflow to credit.....and then to maximize the profit......and then to teach others how to do that....
    Zen Arado: you liked that jib?
    Archmage Atlantis: And I accepted
    Zen Arado: job
    Archmage Atlantis: I hated it
    Zen Arado: well...I liked it sometimes
    Zen Arado: at least thought I was helping people
    Archmage Atlantis: I liked the teaching.....
    Zen Arado: helping them to function better
    Zen Arado: it could be soul destroying trying to teach people who didn't want to know
    Zen Arado: who had little interest
    Zen Arado: though
    Zen Arado: if they were interested it was great
    Archmage Atlantis: Beelzebub knows it's role
    Zen Arado: and I got to meet people from all over the world
    Zen Arado: like here in SL
    Archmage Atlantis: yes
    Zen Arado: it's the main attraction of SL for me I guess
    Zen Arado: the diverse viewpoints
    Zen Arado: from interesting people
    Zen Arado: anyway I better go
    Zen Arado: nice talking to you Arch
    Zen Arado: bye
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and Namaster

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