2011.06.09 07:00 - Trust me: I'm an artist!

    Table of contents
    No headers

    The Guardian for this meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are by Storm Nordwind.

    Europeans talking about the weather.

    Storm Nordwind sits quietly, listening to birds singing and water trickling...
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Xirana!
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Storm! nice to see you:)
    Storm Nordwind: You too. Any bad weather about to disrupt you today? :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes... as usuall I have the sky stormy.. but at the moment it seems it's ok
    Xirana Oximoxi: we mhave meteocat information about Catalonia... a radar that shows over the map where the storms are..http://www.meteo.cat/servmet/radar/index.html
    Xirana Oximoxi: ans I've seen that even if here is cloudy... the weather in general is not rainy
    Storm Nordwind: Looks quite clear for you at the moment though on the radar. As it does here on my radar: http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?ID=FTG
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes...it seems also clear:))..
    Xirana Oximoxi: only moderate rain in some places

    12th June 12th June 12th June!

    Xirana Oximoxi: what will happen in 12 June? :))
    Storm Nordwind: :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: maybe now it is possible to say more secrets
    Storm Nordwind: A big event!
    Storm Nordwind: Maybe
    Storm Nordwind: :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: :))
    Storm Nordwind: Bleu tells me she is going to say more in email today
    Xirana Oximoxi: ahhh good:))
    Storm Nordwind: So we'll see. It sounds exciting!
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes! she knowws how to awake curiosity:)
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. She is good at that.
    Storm Nordwind: And we've never been disappointed by her events in the past!
    Xirana Oximoxi: oh! yes.. I'm sure we will not be either
    Storm Nordwind: Good morning Arch!
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Arch, good morning
    Storm Nordwind: Stocking feet on dewed grass :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Yaku!

    More weather.

    Xirana Oximoxi: wonderful grass and very well cut... I have a lot of work cutting mine in front of the house... rain and sun..it grows so quick brrr
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Yaku:)
    Storm Nordwind: You are lucky to have rain to help it grow! We had a severe drought for so long. Only an unexpected three weeks of rain saved the grass.
    Archmage Atlantis: At my house, all grass dies......even bamboo........I am researching perennial peanuts as a lawn substitute
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we also had a very dry spring, but since last weekend we finally got rain
    Xirana Oximoxi: I agree.. water is very important, and when it doesn't we appreciate it more
    Xirana Oximoxi: but, is it normal for the place where you live to rain so few?
    Xirana Oximoxi: here we talk a lot about weather changes
    Storm Nordwind: Living in England for 50 years, and then in Scotland for 6 years, I never knew a time without rain. Now things are different. It is semi-arid. There are deserts not far away. The sea is more than 1000km away. And yes... here we sit in European fashion, making smalltalk about the weather!
    Archmage Atlantis: Weather is a large influence in our lives...when I was a child, houses were designed for weather, not as they came to be......to become weather
    Storm Nordwind: Where I come from, houses are built in brick and stone - and nowadays concrete. Not wood that seems so popular around me here. They tell me wood is good in an earthquake, but it's bad in a fire, or a hurricane or a flood.
    Storm Nordwind: But's it's very cheap! Lots of profit for the builders. :) And quick to build.

    Living and loving!

    Storm Nordwind: I travel the world. I love in different places. It has become easy for me to drop attachments. :)
    Storm Nordwind: *Live!!! :)
    Storm Nordwind makes a Freudian slip
    Xirana Oximoxi: :))
    Storm Nordwind: Good morning Bleu!
    Bleu Oleander: hi everyone :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Bleu:)
    Xirana Oximoxi: anyway it's nice 'to love' in different places:))

    June 12th June 12th June 12th!

    Storm Nordwind: Xirana was asking me about June 12th, and I said you'd told me you were going to send another email today. And you have - thank you! :))
    Storm Nordwind smiles at Xirana!
    Bleu Oleander: yes! more clues :)
    Bleu Oleander: the excitement is building !!
    Xirana Oximoxi: oh! I'll see:)
    Xirana Oximoxi: ahhhh still more mistery growing:))) I can't wait !!! :)
    Bleu Oleander: :)))
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Storm Nordwind loves mysteries. In that way, it's like a treasure hunt - searching for clues, not knowing quite where you'll end up, but looking forward to the surprise :)
    Bleu Oleander: exactly :)
    Storm Nordwind: Well this morning we've not alighted on a topic! We've mentioned June 12th and the weather, but that's about it!
    Bleu Oleander: well you've hit on my favorite topic atm :)
    Storm Nordwind: I guess mysteries are OK if you have a sense of wonder, and if you somehow have trust. I'm sure there are mysteries that are accompanied in people's minds by worry and fear. I'm glad June 12th is not one of those!
    Bleu Oleander: "trust me" :)
    Storm Nordwind: Bleu says "Trust me, I'm a doctor"
    Bleu Oleander: haha
    Storm Nordwind: or perhaps "Trust me, I'm an artist"
    Bleu Oleander: hahaha
    Storm Nordwind: or "trust me I'm a PaBling"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i prefer ,,i am the doctor" :)
    Bleu Oleander: never trust an artist .... hehe
    Storm Nordwind: I'm not sure everyone knows where Gallifrey is. Yaku!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, well that´s true since it doesn´t exist anymore, the doctor = the main character in the classical bbc tv show "dr who"
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes! also to be 'a PaBling' is a good guaranty:)
    Archmage Atlantis: Ich bin ein Gallirey
    Yakuzza Lethecus: timelord :)
    Storm Nordwind: I think I'd trust an artist before I'd trust a politician Bleu!
    Bleu Oleander: well that's true
    Xirana Oximoxi: me too
    Bleu Oleander: hierarchy of trust
    Archmage Atlantis: I just can't spell it anymore since the last reincarantion

    Levels of "trust".

    Bleu Oleander: what does it mean to "trust" ? nice topic perhaps?
    Archmage Atlantis: There are levels of trust
    Archmage Atlantis: Though none admit that there are
    Xirana Oximoxi: not sure if there are levels of trust... you trust or not
    Archmage Atlantis: That would require complete and total trust
    Storm Nordwind: Can you give some examples, Arch, of different levels?
    Archmage Atlantis: Well
    Bleu Oleander: is trust unconditional?
    Archmage Atlantis: Xirana and I could test that
    Archmage Atlantis: I am gay
    Archmage Atlantis: Do you trust my statement Xir?
    Xirana Oximoxi: lol... maybe in SL is even more difficult to 'trust' !!!
    Xirana Oximoxi: I will trust you... anyway.. but if with time I discover you are not gay, then it will be more difficult to trust you again
    Bleu Oleander: need there be a reasoning process to achieve trust?
    Archmage Atlantis: So, at a later time, I find I am bi
    Archmage Atlantis: I will not be trusted
    Archmage Atlantis: ?
    Xirana Oximoxi: wellll if we keeep contact and as a friends you explain the precess I will trut you too:))
    Storm Nordwind: Regarding Arch's statement - for me there are no consquences either way - because it is SL and will not affect my RL - so trust or not makes no difference to me. (And actually being gay or not in RL would make no dffierence to me either)
    Xirana Oximoxi: the +process

    Gaining trust.

    Bleu Oleander: how does one gain your trust?
    Storm Nordwind: By acting honorably and reliably over time - that gains trust I would expect
    Xirana Oximoxi: I think 'trust' is something tyhat grows in a relation between ppeople...
    Bleu Oleander: so time is a factor?
    Archmage Atlantis: Ok, Storm........I was only attracted to men in RL......still.... RL required me to not harm my children by my RL marriage
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes... time is a factor against or in favour... what is not good is to lie intentionately
    Storm Nordwind: I can be open. Neither trusting or distrusting. I rarely need trust because I have not attachments or dependencies. But it can indeed grow with time.
    Storm Nordwind: Not sure of your point Arch :) I don't see anything that would change my trusting or not.
    Archmage Atlantis: You saw my point, Storm
    Bleu Oleander: well must check in to RL ... I trust I will see you all soon :)
    Storm Nordwind: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Bleu!
    Bleu Oleander: bye for now :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: :) bye Blleu..see you soon:)
    Xirana Oximoxi: so Arch, you think trust is something you give/have with someone that can not change?...of course, knowing that we all change with time

    Trust and attachment.

    Xirana Oximoxi: and Storm, I think trust is not only because we have 'attachments or dependencies'... sometimes is important just to be friendly
    Storm Nordwind: Can you not be friendly without either trust and distrust?
    Xirana Oximoxi: 'friendly' is not the word... I can be friendly..but not grow a good friendship without trust
    Xirana Oximoxi: My mistake to have said 'friendly!!! :)
    Storm Nordwind: No problem! I see what you mean. But I disagree :) Trust can grow in a friendship, but yes I find that a good friendship is still possible without trust or distrust. Openness will do as well. Unless of course you are defning friendship as needing trust in the first place! :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: no... trust grows with time... not at the first place
    Storm Nordwind: So would I be right in thinking - and I could be wrong here - that you need to feel trust and to feel trusted?
    Xirana Oximoxi: well..if it's in a relation yes... if it's someone I just talk for a while it doesn't matter
    Xirana Oximoxi: how can you be friend with someone you distrust?
    Storm Nordwind: You would find it hard. But I believe it's possible to be friends with someone that you neither trust nor distrust.
    Xirana Oximoxi: I find it 'hard' :)).... I mean, I don't know how:)

    Not being dependent on other's behavior.

    Storm Nordwind: I can relate to people without having to trust them. I do note their behavior of course and that changes what I expect of them. But I don't have a feeling of trust or distrust. If I was attached to their behaving in a particular way I wanted them to behave, then I would have trust if they did behave that way and distrust if they didn't. But I have no such attachment! :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: I think I understand what you mean...
    Storm Nordwind: This way, how I feel does not depend on how somehow else acts. I don't feel encouraged if they act well because my trust is not greater. I don't feel betrayed if they act badly because my trust is less. How I feel is not dependent on how they act.
    Xirana Oximoxi: but... now I recover what you have said first: ' By acting honorably and reliably over time - that gains trust I would expect' :))
    Archmage Atlantis: "This house is clean" - Poltergeist
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Well Xirana, if some does act honorably and reliably over time, that changes the way I view their behavior. That's what influences trust in many people.. But it doesn't influence how I feel.
    Xirana Oximoxi: ahhh ok, I understand... but it changes the feelings you may have to others
    Storm Nordwind: In my case, no. It doesn't change my feelings. But I observe that for many other people, it does seem to change their feelings.
    Storm Nordwind: perhaps that's because they feel the need to trust.
    Archmage Atlantis: Thank God, I do not feel the need to trust

    Trust and keeping secrets.

    Xirana Oximoxi: just an exemple..if you tell a secret to someone and ask to keep it save... if he doen not.. will you tell another secret to this person?
    Storm Nordwind smiles at Arch :)
    Storm Nordwind: Well Xirana, their behavior changes the way I will deal with them in the future. But it will not make me feel any different, because I have no attachment to their behavior.
    Archmage Atlantis: Thank Newton, I am not attached
    Archmage Atlantis: floating apples
    Xirana Oximoxi: :))

    Attachments to people.

    Xirana Oximoxi: but maybe there is a person with who you are somehow attached, or not? nobody?
    Storm Nordwind: Why would there need to be?
    Xirana Oximoxi: we are socially made:)
    Storm Nordwind: Being socially is separate from feeling attachment
    Archmage Atlantis: No need,,,,,,benefits? perhaps
    Storm Nordwind: No benefits I can see Arch. Only potential downsides. When you ride in a sparkling limosine, you need not ride in a rusty wreck :)
    Xirana Oximoxi still think about beeing social and not attached at all to others or not needing to feel attached to others
    Storm Nordwind: Hello druth
    druth Vlodovic: hi all
    Xirana Oximoxi: but now.. I must go... thanks for this nice time! take care all:)
    druth Vlodovic: have fun Xir
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Xirana. Beware of storms! ;)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi and bue druth:)
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello druth

    Restating the topic.

    Storm Nordwind: We seem to have gravitated to the topic of trust, druth. Though I don't know whether we've finished or not!
    druth Vlodovic: "given freely to strangers but earned slowly by friends"
    Storm Nordwind: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: observerm might comment on the topic of truth
    druth Vlodovic: we need a furth ring of cushions outside the pavillion :)
    Storm Nordwind: The grass is soft :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Agree. druth
    Archmage Atlantis: Storm can do that

    Trust and being seen.

    druth Vlodovic: "being seen" is a sort of trust issue I'd think
    Storm Nordwind: Would you like to say more druth?
    druth Vlodovic: eh, just that it seems that allowing yourself to be seen, by others, by the world, is a bit nerve wracking
    druth Vlodovic: you never know what "they" will do to you if you are too open
    Storm Nordwind: I can understand that. It seems a common fear.
    Archmage Atlantis: I apologize, I have to go.....Blessings and Namaste
    druth Vlodovic: have fun arch
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye arch

    A voice from beyond the pavilion...

    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Hello all. Sorry for looking as though I'm lurking. I'm actually multi-tasking.
    Storm Nordwind: Thats OK Miguelito. People have different ways they want to be here :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: do not believe that everyone is always at the computers anyway miguelito

    Trust exists in the pavilion.

    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Interesting topic, "trust". Just as an observation, I think a certain 'trust' exists here. At least enough to express a view or opinion about trust
    Storm Nordwind: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. There is a space made and we offer it to those who want to express themselves in it. In many ways it could be interpreted as a matter of trust, yes.

    Commonalities as a basis for trust.

    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Often in our multi-cultural socities I look at trust that is derived purely because of commonalities.
    Storm Nordwind: Are commonalities by themselves enough to fulfil expectations though, and change the level of trust?
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: To me expectations and levels of trust are incremental variables.
    druth Vlodovic: commonalities => predictability, a basis for calculation

    Betrayal by one's own expectations.

    Storm Nordwind: I was saying earlier that fully functioning relationships don't actually need trust - or at least not a feeling of trust - and that such feelings of trust can be rather double-edged.
    druth Vlodovic: the problem is when you are betrayed not by the other person but by your own expectations
    Storm Nordwind: exactly so. which is why I was also talking about attachment! :)
    druth Vlodovic: are you for or againt?
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I love these conversations :)
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: So does attachement = trust?
    Storm Nordwind: For or against what druth?
    druth Vlodovic: attachment = need
    Storm Nordwind: No attachment does not equal trust. And I have no need of attachment.

    The Dalai Lama's view.

    druth Vlodovic: lol, I was reading "morality for the modern age" by the Dalai Lama, he is against attachment
    Storm Nordwind: Indeed
    Storm Nordwind: What benefits come from it?
    druth Vlodovic: I need attachment, we are social animals, to be excluded entirely is difficult

    [From now on, the comments often intertwine. I'm sure I miss answering some questions.]

    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: So from a psychological and human development aspect, attachment is not necessary?
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Also, how does one define fully functioning relationship?
    Storm Nordwind: Many do feel the need for attachment druth. I have also found, however, that many need it so they can manipulate others through the attachment to themselves. Not saying this is your case, but I have found it so.
    Storm Nordwind: Attachment is not necessary Miguel. It is however an easy option that has potential downsides. A double-edged sword.
    druth Vlodovic: a need for manipulation is a need for control, whcih is rooted in fear

    Peer pressure, laws and social norms.

    druth Vlodovic: "peer pressure" is the glue that holds society together, and it is a form of attachment,
    Storm Nordwind: I would disagree with peer pressure as "the" glue druth!
    Storm Nordwind: I find it an unnecessary distraction. Gums up the works rather than smoothing them
    druth Vlodovic: oh? then why do we obey laws and social norms when there is no chance of getting caught?
    Storm Nordwind: As a group we obey laws because the society survives if we do so. It's simple evolution.
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: A base of fear?
    Storm Nordwind: It's like the relativity of good and evil.
    druth Vlodovic: no, fear isn't a big enough motivator, habit might be an explanation
    Storm Nordwind: And laziness in my case!
    Storm Nordwind: And complacency

    A loaded question.

    druth Vlodovic: attachment is a result of the type of animal we are, is it good to change our nature and call it progress?
    Storm Nordwind: That's a loaded question :)
    druth Vlodovic: chik chik!
    Storm Nordwind has to look up that reference :)

    Child disorders.

    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Interesting. In researching "attachment" disorders among children it's not unusual to see developmental issues in life.
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: While only mildly researched, attachment disorders are apparently a growing issue.
    Storm Nordwind: There is perhaps a fine line between a madman, an artist and a saint! :)

    druth's two different approaches to child-rearing.

    druth Vlodovic: society is no longer providing the attachments we need for healthy growth
    druth Vlodovic: ok, when a kid is hurt there are two different approaches, one is to smother and the other is to tell them to "suck it up"
    Storm Nordwind: Only two?
    druth Vlodovic: the first teaches the kid to rely on others for strength
    druth Vlodovic: (bear with me)
    druth Vlodovic: the other teaches them that the world is harsh and they better just learn to take it
    druth Vlodovic: my approach was to give as much comfort as the kid wanted and no more
    druth Vlodovic: they are quite capable of finding their own balance
    druth Vlodovic: and each child is different
    Storm Nordwind: Indeed
    Storm Nordwind: And that's a balance along one dimension. Maybe there are other dimensions too
    druth Vlodovic: my own needs oftne had to be controlled in order to give the child space to learn themselves
    druth Vlodovic: it's an example

    Assuming attachments are necessary for healthy growth.

    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I agree that we (society) don't provide the attachments for healthy growth.
    druth Vlodovic: they learn to trust themselves, to rely on others to an extent and on themselves as well
    Storm Nordwind: You are assuming that attachments are necessary for healthy growth. How is that so?
    druth Vlodovic: the fear that comes from trust issues is often from a lack of trust in oneself, ond one's ability to handle others
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Additionally, it's been my experience that a balanced approach is necessary, and most beneficial/productive.
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Not just for children, but anyone in a 'learning enviornment'
    druth Vlodovic: we are all in a learning environment :)
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Exactly!
    Storm Nordwind: learning environments are what you make them and where you find them :)

    Differences of observation.

    druth Vlodovic: and yes, my observations have led me to believe that people need attachments for healthy growth
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nods
    druth Vlodovic: mind you, I've never been in a place where I had no society or people around I neded to interract with
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Some form of an example is necessary to learn from. Yes?
    Storm Nordwind: Then we differ druth. My observations lead me to believe that they are not required, and have downsides as well as temporary benefits
    druth Vlodovic: the proliferation of "retreats" for various causes/organizations is an interesting phenonmenon
    Storm Nordwind: oh?
    druth Vlodovic: everything has downsides and benefits
    druth Vlodovic: lol, I wish I could say more but I've never been on one, the concept is interesting though

    Is loneliness a downside of not having attachments?

    Storm Nordwind: :) So what are the downsides of not having attachments?
    druth Vlodovic: the most obvious is lonliness, and a lack of help when you need it
    Storm Nordwind: No!
    Storm Nordwind: That simply is not so
    druth Vlodovic: please elaborate
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: If you are to believe even a part of the writings of parents with children suffering from 'attachment disorders' one downside would be sociopathy.
    Storm Nordwind: I do not have attachments. I am not lonely. Loneliness is caused by attachment not by lack of it!
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I agree that there are benefits and downsides with everything. It goes along with the Yin and Yang of life.
    druth Vlodovic: by a desire for attachment, I wonder why you felt the need to discard that part of yourself?
    Storm Nordwind: And I am never short of help :)
    druth Vlodovic: (to do this discussion properly we need clubs)
    Storm Nordwind: I discarded what I was led to believe was essential and natural. I tried to have attachment, only to find that (a) it was not necessary, and (b) not the essential me.
    Storm Nordwind: As a result my level of love and happiness was untethered. My level of suffering receded. Sounds like a good deal!
    Storm Nordwind: And my ability to have compassion for others intensified


    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Storm, could one view that as self attachment?
    Storm Nordwind: One could, but it is not. Though I don't know what you mean by "self" :)

    Dropping attachment.

    Storm Nordwind: Play as Being: "Drop what you have to see what you are"
    Storm Nordwind: I think I did that a few decades ago
    Storm Nordwind: And I can recommend it :)

    Be what you like? Or be what you are?

    druth Vlodovic: hmm, to seek attachment is an easy way to frighten people off, and to find unhealthy people
    druth Vlodovic: but to relax in yourself and simply be what you like, in this we find communities
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: So a separation of the psychy reliying on self knowledge and self physiscal abiltity?
    druth Vlodovic: is it accurate to say that we are discarding attachments when we are simply allowing them to develop naturally?
    Storm Nordwind: Be what you like, druth? Or be what you are? :)
    druth Vlodovic: is there a difference?
    Storm Nordwind: For some people, it seems so yes.
    Storm Nordwind: For they often don't know themselves well enough to know what they like, as opposed to what others would like them to like!
    druth Vlodovic: lol, yay!!! I've finally found somone willing to admit they understand the concept
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I totally see how people often don't know themselves well enough. However, does that mean I know them better than they?
    druth Vlodovic: society and religion overwrites ourselves until we lose conscious connection to it
    druth Vlodovic: or it can
    Storm Nordwind: No Miguel, it doesn't. But you might know a better way to help them know themselves, and you might be able to demonstrate the benefits of so knowing :)
    druth Vlodovic: it is possible miguel
    druth Vlodovic: in limited ways

    Trusting oneself.

    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Hhhmmmm.....that would lead us back to trust. I would have to trust my views, knowledge, etc over theirs.
    druth Vlodovic: and who are you to know better than they?
    Storm Nordwind: Only if you wanted to intervene in their lives in some way, Miguel. And yes druth, perhaps exploring what is best for oneself is a monumental enough task without presuming to do it for others!
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I hear that argument frequently. So I have to rely (trust) on what is accepted by society (norms, values, mores).

    The meaning of anarchy.

    druth Vlodovic: I found out something interesting recently
    druth Vlodovic: I thought the word "anarchy"meant a energetic type of chaos
    druth Vlodovic: but the root of the word is an-archy
    druth Vlodovic: meaning no central authority
    druth Vlodovic: it can be very organized, in fact you'd think it would need to be
    Storm Nordwind: Anarchy comes from Greek. Its root is "being without a head or a chief"
    druth Vlodovic: yes, nobody to tell us what we should believe
    druth Vlodovic: relying on ourselves to think and on our neighbours to come along with us
    Storm Nordwind: "a commonwealth without a ruler or a governor"
    Storm Nordwind quotes Skeat
    druth Vlodovic: no wonder it is the opponent of most curerent organizations :)
    druth Vlodovic: if we trust ourselves we become difficult to control
    Storm Nordwind: unmanageable :)
    Storm Nordwind: Whereas those who lack vision, or direction, or self-knowledge, or just goals, will be used (potentially) by those who have those things.
    druth Vlodovic: power is distrubuted in increments of one per person
    druth Vlodovic: to accumulate power we must get others to lend us theirs
    druth Vlodovic: so they promote a fear of self
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Very astute Druth.
    Storm Nordwind: indeed. it has always been so. until one sees what is worthy of the application of power

    Crusades against "must haves".

    druth Vlodovic: my latest crusade is against the concept that we "must" have "purpose"
    Storm Nordwind: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Or life "must" have meaning?
    druth Vlodovic: oh yes
    Storm Nordwind: :)
    druth Vlodovic: "life must have meaning or it will lack meaning" I've actually heard that used in arguments

    Different ways of saying goodbye. Or not.

    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I must depart. I've enjoyed the morning. Good day all
    druth Vlodovic: I hope to see you again miguelito
    Storm Nordwind: Good to see you!
    Storm Nordwind must go too. The work piles up. :)
    druth Vlodovic: "the English leave without saying goodbye, Russians say goodbye without leaving" lol I don't know how accuate the nationalities are but it is good to see another of my "type" :)
    druth Vlodovic: have fun storm
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    druth Vlodovic: and have fun work :)
    Storm Nordwind: I'm not sure what nationality I have become over the years!
    druth Vlodovic: Stormworld
    Storm Nordwind: My accent betrays me - though is often misplaced for another country!
    druth Vlodovic: a nation of one
    Storm Nordwind: Scots, Irish, and I've even been accused of being Australian! ;)
    druth Vlodovic: lol
    Storm Nordwind: A nation of no separation
    druth Vlodovic: ooh, a nation of all?
    druth Vlodovic: I guess I have some travelling to do :)
    Storm Nordwind: A nation that is no nation. Direct from the Tao Te Ching perhaps :)
    Storm Nordwind: Bye for now!
    druth Vlodovic: see you later
    druth Vlodovic: I should go too, leave my computer and enjoy the weather
    druth Vlodovic: have fun yakuzza

    Tag page (Edit tags)
    You must login to post a comment.
    Powered by MindTouch Core