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[00:59] Wol Euler: hello rhi

[00:59] Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Wol

[01:00] Rhiannon Dragoone: Is that latex you're wearing?

[01:00] Wol Euler: yep

[01:00] Wol Euler grins.

[01:01] Rhiannon Dragoone: Very naugghty. lol

[01:01] Wol Euler: I would normally offer a LM but in your case ... :)

[01:01] Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, i guess so. lol

[01:01] Wol Euler smiles.

[01:02] Wol Euler: hmmm, I have a nagging feeling that there is something I've forgotten to do.

[01:02] Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, don't you hate that?

[01:02] Wol Euler: yeah

[01:02] Wol Euler: damned feelings never give useful details, do they?

[01:03] Wol Euler: like children playing guessing games at you

[01:03] Rhiannon Dragoone: I'm not sure I understand; maybe 'cause I'm tired

[01:04] Wol Euler: just an analogy to the way little kids will make you guess what they mean rather than saying it

[01:04] Rhiannon Dragoone: Only tantalising suggestions

[01:04] Wol Euler: right

[01:05] Wol Euler: how did Pamala's talk go last week?

[01:05] Rhiannon Dragoone: Oh, it was great; had to raise the sim limit and have an encore

[01:06] Wol Euler smiles.

[01:06] Rhiannon Dragoone: And I didn't have sound for the first third of the lecture the first time she held it at my campsite; it made more sense this time; I had sound throughout

[01:06] Wol Euler: the DSL might have helped there :)

[01:06] Rhiannon Dragoone: I think it did; sound seems very bandwidth intensive; I guess on top of graphics, anyway

[01:07] Rhiannon Dragoone: And you noticed--i'm walking better these days

[01:07] Wol Euler: mmhmm

[01:07] Wol Euler: walking at all :)

[01:10] Rhiannon Dragoone: I always found latex to ber hot and uncomfortable irl; that's one neat thing about sl; your clothes are always comfortable, even if they sometimes don't fit and need adjustment.

[01:10] Wol Euler: indeed :)

[01:11] Rhiannon Dragoone: A lot of adjustment sometimes, which is another reason I don't wear them; saves time

[01:11] Wol Euler: always the right size, except for the prims

[01:11] Rhiannon Dragoone: lol

[01:11] Wol Euler: yeah, I have to tweak prims in every outfit that has them

[01:11] Rhiannon Dragoone: Or you have big, embarassing, gaping holes

[01:11] Wol Euler: I think of that as a secondary cost of shopping :)

[01:11] Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah; well, you sometimes have to hem dresses irl.

[01:11] Wol Euler: also true :)

[01:12] Rhiannon Dragoone: And that's a big pain in tghe but

[01:12] Rhiannon Dragoone: *butt

[01:12] Wol Euler: well, the holes are embarrassing if you notice them :) but I infer from looking around that some people don't notice

[01:13] Wol Euler: I can't believe that they don't care, not literally

[01:13] Wol Euler: people who really don't care just continue to wear their day one slider clothes

[01:13] Wol Euler: so I think it's about not seeing, not realizing

[01:14] Rhiannon Dragoone: It's about whether you're an immersive too; immrsives care about how they look, as this is where they live, when they are here

[01:14] Rhiannon Dragoone: And girls care more than guys

[01:14] Wol Euler: yes but: many of them have been RL female

[01:15] Rhiannon Dragoone: And philosophers here are like philosophers irl, the seedy, tweedy or frumpy, dumpy look

[01:15] Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, we import are values; and you can tell if someone is a guy or a girl sometimes but how much they care about their apperance.

[01:16] Wol Euler: though not always :)

[01:16] Wol Euler: I know plenty of RL women who wear slider clothes and hair (I'Ve met them in RL)

[01:17] Rhiannon Dragoone: nothing is always, and if you don't care about rl gender, it doesn't matter.

[01:17] Rhiannon Dragoone: What do you mean by slider clothes?

[01:17] Wol Euler: and quite a few RL males who play women, who dress exquisitely

[01:17] Wol Euler: non-prim clothes

[01:17] Rhiannon Dragoone: oh

[01:17] Wol Euler: the stuff newbies wear on day one

[01:17] Rhiannon Dragoone: like noob stuff?

[01:17] Wol Euler: or used to, the new newbie outfits are much better

[01:17] Rhiannon Dragoone: Yeah, they are, but still not as good as primm clothes

[01:18] Wol Euler: I think immersivity is probably the clue, yes, and also what you think SL is

[01:18] Wol Euler: for those who think it is IM wiht pictures, I can see that the picture might be meaningless

[01:18] Wol Euler: or perhaps they are gamers, used to avatars whose appearance is dictated by your standing in the game's progression

[01:18] Rhiannon Dragoone: well, yeah, that's true; but immersivity, gender, and vanity all blend in, I'd say

[01:19] Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, and that's in a sense true here, as the older you get, the more care you take about your appearance; well, compared to newbies

[01:19] Wol Euler: World of Warcraft allows only tiny modifications to your avatar's appearance, for dxample

[01:19] Wol Euler: yes, truie

[01:20] Wol Euler: so people in WoW learn not to care much about how people actually *look* but only to see what their appearance says about their status

[01:20] Wol Euler: like you can tell a top-level pro player from too far away to read their nametag

[01:20] Rhiannon Dragoone: I'd say here, a lot of people visually cue to you; like I know I do.

[01:20] Wol Euler nods.

[01:20] Rhiannon Dragoone: And those who think avatars represent the person--are the person in sl, their apperance becomes important

[01:21] Wol Euler: yes, dfinitely.

[01:21] Wol Euler: if you see someone who's taken care with their appearance,you have found an immersivist :)

[01:21] Rhiannon Dragoone: And not to be repeititous, but when you're nude here, you're really nude for a lot of people

[01:22] Wol Euler nods.

[01:22] Rhiannon Dragoone: Yeah, a lot of people assume I'm one from my appearance; since I take a lot of care with it

[01:22] Rhiannon Dragoone: And I used to be; still am in some respects

[01:22] Wol Euler: what has changed?

[01:22] Rhiannon Dragoone: I do think yu can be a mixture of types, and Pam even agrees

[01:23] Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, a couple of things; being banned from a community I worked to build up, but also when Rosalyn had her stroke, suddenly rl beccame very important, so I tend to come to sl with specific goals now, and achieve them.

[01:23] Rhiannon Dragoone: Both made me augmentistic.

[01:23] Wol Euler nods.

[01:23] Wol Euler: how is rosalyn, btw?

[01:24] Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, she's doing ok today, but sometimes it seems she turns for the worst; it's still a day by day thing

[01:24] Wol Euler sighs and nods

[01:24] Wol Euler: I wish her well, and you too. It can't be easy for you

[01:24] Wol Euler: *either of you

[01:24] Wol Euler: ((btw should I remove her name from the published log?))

[01:24] Rhiannon Dragoone: No, it isn't, but then it's like Camus' The Plague; sometimes, you are here to cope with illness

[01:25] Rhiannon Dragoone: (no, as that's a pseudonym, like Rhiannon)

[01:25] Wol Euler: good :) just checking :)

[01:26] Wol Euler: "you do what you have to do", as my mother says

[01:26] Rhiannon Dragoone: Oh, I think another giveaway about being immersive, and being female is prim feet. If you can stand being barefoot with linden feet, then you are definitely *not* an immersive and probably not female. lol At least I can't see any real woman being barefoot with linden feet, unless they're very poor.

[01:27] Wol Euler: yes but :)

[01:27] Wol Euler: I dislike them because the skin tone is always different to, and worse than, the rest of my skin

[01:27] Rhiannon Dragoone: I know; hasty generalization; it takes all types

[01:27] Wol Euler: but you are right, I wear closed shoes

[01:27] Rhiannon Dragoone: yes, that's why I wear shoes

[01:27] Wol Euler smiles.

[01:27] Rhiannon Dragoone: It's not just that it makes me nude, rather than naked

[01:28] Wol Euler: yes! an important distinction

[01:28] Wol Euler: I found the same with tattoos actually, to my great surprise

[01:28] Rhiannon Dragoone: Extremely

[01:28] Wol Euler: wearing a tattoo in SL felt like being a little less naked

[01:28] Rhiannon Dragoone: Same irl too. You feel decorated.

[01:29] Wol Euler nods.

[01:29] Wol Euler: hello reduction

[01:29] Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Red

[01:29] Reduction Haiku: hi

[01:30] Rhiannon Dragoone: We're talking about appearance in rl and sl

[01:30] Wol Euler: have you had an introduction to the group yet?

[01:30] Wol Euler: (I know you've been here before, but when I saw you, you didn't speak at all)

[01:31] Reduction Haiku: nie to meet you

[01:31] Reduction Haiku: nice

[01:31] Wol Euler: likewise

[01:31] Wol Euler: have you had an introduction to the group yet?

[01:31] Reduction Haiku: no

[01:31] Wol Euler: okay :)

[01:31] Rhiannon Dragoone: You look like you're staring at my rl boobs, Red, the way you're gazing at the computer screen

[01:31] Wol Euler: this is a meeting of a meditation and discussoin group called Play as Being

[01:32] Reduction Haiku: ur rl boobs?

[01:32] Wol Euler: we gather 4x daily to talk about our practices and matters that arise, and sometimes just to chat

[01:32] Rhiannon Dragoone: nvm; listen to Wol

[01:32] Reduction Haiku: ok

[01:32] Wol Euler: that notecard tells the basics about us, including our website http://wiki.playasbeing.org/

[01:33] Wol Euler: we record these sessions and post them on the wiki, so that absent members can read what was said

[01:33] Wol Euler: may we have your permissoin to include your SL name and your comments in the published log?

[01:33] Reduction Haiku: yes

[01:33] Wol Euler: ty

[01:33] Rhiannon Dragoone: Do you meet in the mornings now, Wol? I had this as my last location and ran into some people when I rezzed.

[01:33] Wol Euler: 1am 7am 1pm 7pm SL every day

[01:34] Wol Euler: I'm usually here at 1pm, and at the 1ams on Fri Sat Sun

[01:34] Rhiannon Dragoone: ok, 7am too; maybe I forgot that, as I don't normally get up that early

[01:35] Wol Euler: the 7s are tricky for me, 7am is middle of hte working afternoon and 7pm is middle of hte night

[01:35] Wol Euler: there are also a few meetings inbetwen those times, special sessions

[01:35] Rhiannon Dragoone: yep; like the 1's are tricky for me; 1am is the middle of the night, and 1pm is the middle of the working afternoon

[01:35] Wol Euler: and yet I often see you at 1am :)

[01:36] Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, depends. On weekends, I often see if I can make it to unwind before bed.

[01:36] Wol Euler nods.

[01:36] Reduction Haiku: uh

[01:36] Reduction Haiku: how do I get a group invite?

[01:36] Wol Euler: just a mo

[01:37] Rhiannon Dragoone: That's why I made the joke about Red's avatar looking at my boobs through the computer, as I'm, eh, hem, wearing my nitie atm

[01:37] Rhiannon Dragoone: And it doesn't cover much

[01:37] Reduction Haiku: nm I got it

[01:37] Wol Euler: good :)

[01:38] Wol Euler: there are two groups, visitors and management; I'm only in management

[01:38] Wol Euler: I should join the other too, so I can invite people ...

[01:38] Reduction Haiku: mhm

[01:38] Rhiannon Dragoone: Why can't management invite people?

[01:39] Wol Euler: because it *is* a different groupp :)

[01:39] Wol Euler: you can't invite people to a group that you are not a member of

[01:39] Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, yeah; me bad

[01:39] Wol Euler: I should add a link to the group to that info notecard

[01:41] Rhiannon Dragoone: We were talking about avatar appearance and what that says about a person; what's your thoughts on that, Red?

[01:42] Reduction Haiku: I think it says what a person wants it to mean

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