2011.06.11 13:00 - Rendering costs and hair removal

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Aphrodite Macbain. The comments are by Aphrodite Macbain.


    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Sun!
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi Aph ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: How are things?
    Sunshine Vayandar: oh ok ty ;) how are you ?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Feeling well. I've had relatives in town for the past week and am glad to have this time for myself
    Sunshine Vayandar: was it very busy?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes. It's hard when I don't have a car
    Aphrodite Macbain: My 87 yr old mother, plus brother and sister in law
    Sunshine Vayandar: oh kk
    Sunshine Vayandar: 87!
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have to learn to slow down at go at her pace - physically and mentally
    Sunshine Vayandar: how is your mom?
    Sunshine Vayandar: it's like a different dimension
    Aphrodite Macbain: not bad. she is prone to angina, panic attacks and motion sickness
    Aphrodite Macbain: last night we had to leave a restaurant cause she couldn't stand the noise
    Sunshine Vayandar: oh kk
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm at 87 it can happen I suppose
    Aphrodite Macbain: I am spoiled- living alone. I get to do things my way a lot
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm I have two sons - so busy busy
    Aphrodite Macbain: You have a couple of children, don't you?
    Sunshine Vayandar: yes ;)
    Sunshine Vayandar: and a puppy
    Aphrodite Macbain: how do you juggle spending time with them and spending time in SL and RL?
    Sunshine Vayandar: no idea hehe
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Sunshine Vayandar: but I love SL
    Sunshine Vayandar: especially PaB
    Aphrodite Macbain: Is it a form of respite from RL?
    Sunshine Vayandar: and tomorrow something exciting is happening
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm where I live I can't share thoughts like I can here
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Susan
    iwandertoo Resident: waves :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: lovely dress
    Sunshine Vayandar: Hi Susan ;)
    iwandertoo Resident: ty
    iwandertoo Resident: hi Sun
    Sunshine Vayandar: very pretty ;)
    iwandertoo Resident: ty
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes. I have pared my avi down to very little so I can attend. I realized my hair was using most of the rendering costs

    Sunshine Vayandar: ahh yes I saw in the google groups
    Sunshine Vayandar: Woly explained it well
    Aphrodite Macbain: astonising how much information a flexi haircut can use up
    Sunshine Vayandar: ah yes
    Sunshine Vayandar: it's good to know
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hence my rather drab appearance
    Aphrodite Macbain: I notice you have changed your hair too Sun
    Sunshine Vayandar: yes ;) today I am more like my RL version
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: along with what you're wearing?!
    Sunshine Vayandar: nonooo
    Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
    Sunshine Vayandar: wait
    iwandertoo Resident: lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: where do you find those lovely skirts Sun?
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm this one is zaara
    Aphrodite Macbain: zaara?
    Aphrodite Macbain: is that a site?
    Sunshine Vayandar: no let me get the LM ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks!!
    Aphrodite Macbain: How are you Susan?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Cool- thanks!
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    iwandertoo Resident: ok, thanks
    Aphrodite Macbain: Busy day?
    iwandertoo Resident: cleaning house
    iwandertoo Resident: preparing to stage it in a month or so to sell
    Aphrodite Macbain: spring cleaning?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm trying to exchange my winter clothes to summer clothes and throwing things out in the process
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    iwandertoo Resident: tossing a lot of books today
    Aphrodite Macbain: Amazing what we keep that we never use/wear/eat/read
    iwandertoo Resident: very true
    Sunshine Vayandar: oh that one is actually from Arya
    Sunshine Vayandar: but you can check both shops
    Sunshine Vayandar: here it's winter brrrrr
    iwandertoo Resident: ty Sun
    Aphrodite Macbain: Arya? Is that a shop too?
    Sunshine Vayandar: yes it's the shop where I got that saree
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, lovely
    Sunshine Vayandar: she makes very nice things
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Wonder what is going to happen here tomorrow.
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm yes mysterious indeed ;)
    Sunshine Vayandar: Bleu always comes up with interesting things
    Aphrodite Macbain: A performance of some sort I would guess.
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm we will see
    iwandertoo Resident: Sun knows, i believe
    Aphrodite Macbain: I cant imagine anything being better that your group's performance during the birthday celebrations, Sun
    Sunshine Vayandar: ah yes that was nice
    Sunshine Vayandar: I haven't danced for a while
    Sunshine Vayandar: but some performances are coming up soon
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi Zenji ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: It would nice if all Guardians could work on a performance together
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Zen
    Sunshine Vayandar: all of us together?
    Zen Arado: Hi Folks :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes sun
    iwandertoo Resident: hi Zen
    Sunshine Vayandar: we are wondering about the event tomorrow Zenji
    Aphrodite Macbain: You're all dressed up today Zen
    Sunshine Vayandar: very elegant ;)
    Zen Arado: it's an old freebie outfit
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Sunshine Vayandar: looks nicely done ;)
    Zen Arado: less scruffy than usual I guess
    Aphrodite Macbain: "oh this old thing...just threw it on..."
    Zen Arado: yep
    Sunshine Vayandar: lol
    Zen Arado: :)
    iwandertoo Resident: :)
    Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
    Sunshine Vayandar: what's news in Zen's world today?
    Zen Arado: hmmm
    Zen Arado: not much
    Sunshine Vayandar: relaxing day?


    Zen Arado: found a blues scale thing
    Zen Arado: was trying it
    Sunshine Vayandar: really
    Sunshine Vayandar: on the net?
    Zen Arado: yeh
    Zen Arado: http://www.freejamtracks.com/play-gu...-blues-01.html
    Sunshine Vayandar: and how is it
    Aphrodite Macbain: playing yr guitar?
    Zen Arado: it has jamming tracks too
    Sunshine Vayandar: ty ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: how do you use it?
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm interesting
    Zen Arado: you just play that scale
    Zen Arado: and then improvise on it
    Aphrodite Macbain: on your guitar
    Zen Arado: yes
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm sounds great
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm curious about the jamming tracks, how can you improvise something that is pre-written?
    Zen Arado: it is just the basic notes
    Aphrodite Macbain: oh
    Sunshine Vayandar: you combine them into melodies
    Zen Arado: all music uses notes from a scale
    Sunshine Vayandar: they are like lego
    Aphrodite Macbain: gotcha


    Finding and Comparing ARCS

    Aphrodite Macbain: Has everyone checked their ARC yet to be prepared for tomorrow's event? "There's a couple of things that can help reduce lag: > * Reduce "ARC" - avatar rendering cost (and hence the load on > everyone's viewers). > * Reduce the number of attached scripts (and hence the load on the server).
    Zen Arado: yeh mine is 472
    Aphrodite Macbain: Is that high?
    Zen Arado: don't know
    Zen Arado: it's green anyway
    Sunshine Vayandar: no I think that's ok
    Aphrodite Macbain: If it's in red, I think it is
    Aphrodite Macbain: I changed my hair and cut the number in half!
    Sunshine Vayandar: I am red
    Sunshine Vayandar: will have to do something
    Sunshine Vayandar: wow you are 250 Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: check to see what happens if you remove your flexi things like hair and skirt
    Sunshine Vayandar: yes I will
    Aphrodite Macbain: Seems like Bleu's planning for lots of people attending
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm yes lots of people booked
    Zen Arado: mine isn't coming up now
    Sunshine Vayandar: what do you mean Zenji?
    Sunshine Vayandar: your ARC?
    Aphrodite Macbain: oh? Advanced/performance tools/show avatar rendering cots
    Zen Arado: there was a green number above my head when I tried it last
    Zen Arado: yes
    Zen Arado: 472 it said
    Zen Arado: yeh but it won't do it now
    Sunshine Vayandar: now it's 178
    Sunshine Vayandar: 183
    Sunshine Vayandar: oh back to 178
    Zen Arado: that's low
    Sunshine Vayandar: yes
    iwandertoo Resident: how do you see this?
    Zen Arado: depends what viewer
    Sunshine Vayandar: I have Imprudence
    iwandertoo Resident: phoenix
    Sunshine Vayandar: it's in the advanced menu
    Zen Arado: don't know then
    Aphrodite Macbain: It should be written above yr head. Sometimes you have to remove your name in order to see it
    Zen Arado: but it's on the advanced menu
    Zen Arado: ah I see it now
    Zen Arado: above my tag
    Aphrodite Macbain: You can see avatar rendering costs here: > Viewer 1 (and Phoenix etc.): Advanced menu > Rendering > Info displays > > Avatar rendering cost Viewer 2: Advanced menu > Performance tools > > Show avatar rendering cost This puts the ARC over each avatar's head. > Green numbers are good. Yellow less so. Red is bad.
    Sunshine Vayandar: for me it's Advanced -> Rendering -> INfo displays -> Avatar Rendering Cost
    iwandertoo Resident: 2870
    iwandertoo Resident: red
    Aphrodite Macbain: bet it's your hair!!
    iwandertoo Resident: most probably, yes
    Sunshine Vayandar: yes I have newbie hair now
    Sunshine Vayandar: and I am green
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: the flexi scripts are large
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes me too
    Sunshine Vayandar: I went to a U2 concert
    Sunshine Vayandar: in SL
    Sunshine Vayandar: we have to be naked ... almost ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: cute pony tail Sun
    Zen Arado: oh?
    Sunshine Vayandar: ty ;)
    iwandertoo Resident: 1020 yellow
    Aphrodite Macbain: just back to basics
    Sunshine Vayandar: the organizers told us to lower the ARC before the show
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm 969 (green)
    Sunshine Vayandar: colorful hair Susan ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Wonder what it would be like if we were to have a limitation to our "rendering costs" in real life
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    Zen Arado: should others see your ARC?
    Aphrodite Macbain: can you see mine?
    Sunshine Vayandar: I see everyone's
    Aphrodite Macbain: me too
    iwandertoo Resident: 807 yellow
    Zen Arado: ah yes see them now
    Aphrodite Macbain: we're all green except Susan. Tsk tsk Susan! :-)
    Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
    iwandertoo Resident: 198?
    Zen Arado: 2077
    Sunshine Vayandar: yes now you are good ;)
    Sunshine Vayandar: I see 183 for Susan
    Zen Arado: 1848 now
    Aphrodite Macbain: we can all match hair styles
    Zen Arado: and yellow
    iwandertoo Resident: sun, can you send that again?
    Sunshine Vayandar: strange Zenji
    Sunshine Vayandar: I seem to see different numbers
    iwandertoo Resident: 309
    iwandertoo Resident: green
    Sunshine Vayandar: I see 294 for Susan
    Zen Arado: maybe your viewer counts them differently
    Sunshine Vayandar: yes it seems so
    Aphrodite Macbain: Susan's number is hidden under her name
    Aphrodite Macbain: Sun could you send me that hair again. I can't seem to find it in my inventory
    Zen Arado: Sun's is 977
    Sunshine Vayandar: I zoomed around a bit - then I could see
    Sunshine Vayandar: no Zenji - mine is 454 ;)
    iwandertoo Resident: what is mine now?
    Aphrodite Macbain: it says 1005 Sun
    Aphrodite Macbain: 2113
    iwandertoo Resident: 2113?
    Zen Arado: Aphro is 969
    Aphrodite Macbain: in yellow
    Sunshine Vayandar: I see 279 for Susan
    Aphrodite Macbain: oops
    Zen Arado: heh we all get different readings
    Sunshine Vayandar: lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: how strange
    iwandertoo Resident: can i wear my regular hair then...:(
    iwandertoo Resident: laughing
    Sunshine Vayandar: hehehe
    Sunshine Vayandar: yes let's get back to our hair
    Aphrodite Macbain: you should be in a green colour
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;p
    Aphrodite Macbain: so as not to use up too much
    Aphrodite Macbain: but you can wait until noon tomorrow
    Zen Arado: Hi Qt :)
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi Qt ;)
    Qt Core: hi all!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Salve Qt
    Zen Arado: wow 3972
    Sunshine Vayandar: Qt is in trouble
    Qt Core: 3972 ?
    Zen Arado: yep
    Zen Arado: 4072 now
    Aphrodite Macbain: we're checking our rendering cost numbers Qt
    Sunshine Vayandar: he will be grounded
    Sunshine Vayandar: no Qt is 2133
    Qt Core: ohh, fast solution to that (Qt removes his hair)
    Sunshine Vayandar: lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: that helped immediately!
    Sunshine Vayandar: yes ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: you look nice bald Qt
    Sunshine Vayandar: Qt knows the secret ;)
    Zen Arado: sure did -- down to 144
    Aphrodite Macbain: He's the lowest of all of us
    Sunshine Vayandar: yes
    Zen Arado: we all have to be bald then
    Sunshine Vayandar: noooooooo
    Aphrodite Macbain: (removes her hair) hmmm nice and cool
    Qt Core: you know, i think i'm more attached to my sl hair than to my rl ones (when i'll lose the rl ones people will start to tell me to comb them)
    Qt Core: stop
    Aphrodite Macbain: hehe Qt
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    Zen Arado: he he you look like Samuo
    Sunshine Vayandar: may be I should be a nun
    Aphrodite Macbain: we could all change and look like Samuo!!
    Sunshine Vayandar: hehe yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: makes me want to decorate my head with henna
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm good idea ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: would we become genderless?
    Aphrodite Macbain: That may require more adjustments
    Sunshine Vayandar: genderless?
    Aphrodite Macbain: androgynous
    Sunshine Vayandar: hmm I have to google that ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Dash!
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi Dash ;)
    Qt Core: you two are reminding me about llia from the forst star trek movie ;-)
    Zen Arado: Hi Dash
    Aphrodite Macbain: don't know that one Qt
    Dash Earthboy: hey y'all
    Qt Core: http://images.google.com/search?hl=i...l0l211l211l2-1
    Aphrodite Macbain: ilia's lovely
    Zen Arado: but even nicer with hair
    Aphrodite Macbain: How's the music?
    Dash Earthboy: me Aph?
    Sunshine Vayandar: thanks Qt
    Sunshine Vayandar: brb
    Aphrodite Macbain: I went thru chemotherapy and was bald for 3 months. It was fun!
    Aphrodite Macbain: ...not the chemo but the baldness..
    Dash Earthboy: oh what fun :(
    Zen Arado: a good way to think
    iwandertoo Resident: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: I painted my head with henna decorations
    Dash Earthboy: heheh
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: and wore great headscarves
    Dash Earthboy: covered the old egg huh?
    Sunshine Vayandar: Aph is so nice ;))
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's cold in Canada during the winter -needed those scarves!
    Dash Earthboy: yep
    Sunshine Vayandar: I must go everyone see u tomorrow at the event
    Aphrodite Macbain: my hats were too big!!
    Dash Earthboy: bye Sunshine
    Qt Core: bye sunshine
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Sun. GTSY
    Zen Arado: bye Sun
    Sunshine Vayandar: niteniteee ;)
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Zen Arado: take care
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: poof
    Dash Earthboy: seems like I was just here
    Aphrodite Macbain: yesterday or this morning?
    Dash Earthboy: oh that's right...that's why i popped onto this seat
    Dash Earthboy: up to about 2 hrs ago
    Dash Earthboy: lonnnng conversations
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    iwandertoo Resident: best to everyone
    Zen Arado: bye Susan
    Dash Earthboy: bye I!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! susan see u tomorrow
    Qt Core: bye iwander
    Zen Arado: guess everyone is going
    Dash Earthboy: yah i be late again this time
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes, and I must go and deal with 2 weeks of laundry
    Dash Earthboy: have fun Aph
    Dash Earthboy: i only have 5 days for my cycle
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! everyone. I hope the rest of your day will be fine
    Zen Arado: must have a big washing machine
    Qt Core: bye aph and dash
    Dash Earthboy: bye Aph & Zen
    Zen Arado: bye all
    Dash Earthboy: you heading out Qt?
    Qt Core: and bye Zen
    Qt Core: not yet
    Dash Earthboy: cool

    A Hairy Debate

    Qt Core: but i'm getting on my hair ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: i've got a few minutes before A Prairie Home Companion comes on
    Dash Earthboy: you're getting on your hair?
    Qt Core: unbald myself ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: putting on your hair?
    Dash Earthboy: or growing it?
    Qt Core: putting on
    Dash Earthboy: ah, ok
    Dash Earthboy: i'm due to cut mine again...overdue
    Dash Earthboy: i last brought out the clippers 6 weeks ago
    Dash Earthboy: didn't do a great job then either
    Dash Earthboy: but my clipper set was a gift to save me money
    Qt Core: i usually cut mine once a year, a year and half, so it is not such an investment
    Dash Earthboy: wow
    Dash Earthboy: i'm not complaining mind you
    Dash Earthboy: but mine really needs cut at least each 8 weeks
    Qt Core: the cut your hair signal is when they start falling on my eyes too often when i'm reading on my bed ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: heheh
    Dash Earthboy: that's when i cut my eyebrows
    Dash Earthboy: :)
    Qt Core: :)
    Dash Earthboy: my hair is following my father's pattern rather than my maternal grandfather's
    Dash Earthboy: i believe such things are passed through mother's genes, no?
    Qt Core: don't know
    Dash Earthboy: my maternal grandfather had full head of white hair in his 90s when he passed
    Dash Earthboy: my father lost most by time he passed at 70
    Qt Core: mina have characteristic from both my parents
    Qt Core: mine
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Dash Earthboy: mine looks more like my dad's too
    Dash Earthboy: fine Native American style hair
    Qt Core: the white hair i'm starting getting are more from stress than from age
    Dash Earthboy: same here
    Dash Earthboy: even hair loss is more stress than age for me
    Qt Core: stop pulling them then ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: my last marriage really did a number physically on me
    Dash Earthboy: i only pull the ones from my nose :)
    Dash Earthboy: ppl used to guess my age at more than 10 years younger prior to that marriage
    Dash Earthboy: now they only guess 7 years younger
    Qt Core: coming from another language hair is one of the weirdest words in english (especially for its almost always being plural thing)
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Qt Core: and for being used for head hair and beard hair and leg hair
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Qt Core: but every language has its mad word ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: sure
    Dash Earthboy: i guess i should really call my head hair a "mane" since I'm a Leo :)
    Dash Earthboy: but what to call the beard then?
    Dash Earthboy: duh... a beard of course!
    Qt Core: :)
    Dash Earthboy: boy is my face red
    Dash Earthboy: and it ain't sunburn either
    Dash Earthboy: are you holding the record today?
    Qt Core: no
    Dash Earthboy: hmmm...guess they just left it running then
    Qt Core: yes, usually it stop itself when the last guardian leaves
    Qt Core: only if needed/requested the goc stop it
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Qt Core: now all the web will know about our hairy debate
    Dash Earthboy: what was the topic i missed?
    Qt Core: don't know, i was here quite late, but at least for some time it was Blue's thing
    Dash Earthboy: ah yes!
    Dash Earthboy: well, this morning I arrived half way though and it was only Susan and Frenchie here
    Dash Earthboy: and there was no topic
    Dash Earthboy: which is okay
    Dash Earthboy: sometimes it's like that in jazz
    Dash Earthboy: :)
    Qt Core: just waiting for music to happen
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Dash Earthboy: and then Korel came and we talked about social issues
    Dash Earthboy: but Frenchie was gone by then
    Dash Earthboy: she knows a lot about important social issues, especially women's issues, in the Middle East
    Qt Core: i just heard about today Gay Pride in Rome, they say 1 million people ... and a free exhibition by :Lady Gaga
    Dash Earthboy: wowo
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Dash Earthboy: NYC had one a few weeks ago I think
    Qt Core: if you go ask to police they will say no more than 10,000 ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: oh and maybe here in Atlanta a short time ago too
    Dash Earthboy: well, the police may be more accurate then?
    Qt Core: more like to be ordered by government to downplay it
    Dash Earthboy: oh
    Dash Earthboy: still stigma crap huh?
    Dash Earthboy: when I was 18 I played in a gay bar with my sister and found out one of my fav middle school teachers was gay

    Vatican City

    Qt Core: what you think... parliament here is less than 5km from vatican city ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: a short time later I found out several of my close friends were gay
    Dash Earthboy: then that my sister was bi
    Dash Earthboy: so...
    Dash Earthboy: oh yah, the old Vatican City
    Dash Earthboy: home of Paul's church
    Qt Core: Peter's too
    Dash Earthboy: naw
    Dash Earthboy: Paul did that move just for politics
    Dash Earthboy: Peter's remains around Jerusalem
    Dash Earthboy: not much left of it tho
    Qt Core: speaking about church and age, the last change of archbishop and pope were two of the first, think that made me feel "old"
    Dash Earthboy: awww
    Dash Earthboy: not a great feeling for sure
    Dash Earthboy: guess my working with senior citizens helps keep me feeling "young"
    Dash Earthboy: by comparison :)

    Ding dong door bells

    Dash Earthboy: i heard your doorbell
    Qt Core: more than bad was surprising hearing at mass when there is a prayer in favor of the bishop of the dioces (spelling ?) and the pope hearing two "stranger" names (i have no mic)
    Dash Earthboy: wonder what that bell was then?
    Qt Core: yours ? :-)
    Dash Earthboy: not the time
    Dash Earthboy: no i don't have a door bell
    Dash Earthboy: wind chimes yes
    Dash Earthboy: but this was an electric bell sound
    Dash Earthboy: rapid ding dong type
    Qt Core: sl glitch then
    Dash Earthboy: the time bell here is more just a ding
    Dash Earthboy: could be a glitch

    Tech talk

    Dash Earthboy: this system crashed on me in this sim earlier
    Dash Earthboy: that's why i ended up rezzing here like I did
    Dash Earthboy: brought my whole system to a halt after Korel & I had struggled with lags and other glitches for over an hour
    Dash Earthboy: it's a little cooler here today and we even had a sun shower earlier
    Qt Core: i've always been quite lucky with whatever chatroom/im./sl itself i connect to
    Dash Earthboy: but the weather service didn't lift the Code Orange alert early anyways
    Dash Earthboy: well that's good Qt
    Qt Core: a lot of water here all past week, with some heavy thundering too sometimes
    Dash Earthboy: my equipment probably has much to do with my performance problems
    Dash Earthboy: i wish i hadn't let the Circuit City guy talk me out of what I wanted when I bought this laptop
    Dash Earthboy: he had to lie to really secure the con tho
    Qt Core: form a certain point of view i'm a little sorry for him too
    Dash Earthboy: i was gonna get an AMD64 w/Win64 Vista on it
    Dash Earthboy: and the graphics chip SL prefers
    Dash Earthboy: the guy talked me into this Intel-based HP model with only slightly faster CPUs and less memory for more money
    Dash Earthboy: and more trouble as I had to drive 50 miles to even get it then
    Dash Earthboy: the intel doesn't have the virtualization features i need in the hardware
    Dash Earthboy: less memory hurts the whole virtualization process too
    Dash Earthboy: and then SL hates the graphics
    \Dash Earthboy: plus the guy promised Win 64 and it was only Win 32 on this machine
    Qt Core: sorry but i agree with your doubts about a bad choice
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Dash Earthboy: he seemed so knowledgeable and sincere
    Dash Earthboy: and he gave his word as "gold"
    Dash Earthboy: typical of those i'm surrounded by here
    Dash Earthboy: it's rooted in the culture...as my ex told me "everybody says what they think they need to to get what they want"
    Dash Earthboy: but just don't try lying to her...that's the flipside...she's a control freak
    Qt Core: well, sadly nowadays that seem to apply to most of our civilization (civilization ?)
    Dash Earthboy: i hear ya
    Dash Earthboy: but i'm looking for where it's not so prevalent as here
    Dash Earthboy: i've been in places where it wasn't acceptable, let alone "normal"
    Qt Core: places where you haven't to constatly watch your back ? it would be nice
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Dash Earthboy: at least to have some friends who'll help watch it :)
    Dash Earthboy: i haven't got that even in my own family

    A Prairie Home Companion

    Dash Earthboy: it's getting close to A Prairie Home Companion showtime
    Dash Earthboy: ever get it on your radio over there?
    Qt Core: din't even know what it is
    Dash Earthboy: oh? they even made a movie about it :)
    Qt Core: and probably not aired around here ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: it was a fairly popular movie...about 10 years ago I think
    Dash Earthboy: I've listened to it since the late 70s
    Dash Earthboy: used to get with friends in Chicago each Saturday night and have aparty during it
    Dash Earthboy: good music and some jokes & skits...old fashioned radio show like Grand Ol Opry but not just country music
    Qt Core: from the title i thought it was something about agriculture... wikipedia seem to disagree ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: heheh
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Dash Earthboy: Garrison Keelor is the host
    Qt Core: but still not aired here in Italy ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: he claims he'll retire soon and pass the reins to a young girl
    Dash Earthboy: dang...sorry you miss it that way
    Dash Earthboy: I used to listen over short wave radio a lot to keep up with other parts of the world
    Dash Earthboy: i have a boombox that gets SW1 and SW2
    Dash Earthboy: one of the miracles in my life happened in 1980
    Dash Earthboy: close to Knoxville TN i listened to an FM station from Denver Co
    Dash Earthboy: FM has a hard time going more than 100 miles let alone over 1000
    Qt Core: maybe some good atmosphere reflection
    Dash Earthboy: sure
    Dash Earthboy: must be close to midnight there?
    Qt Core: exactly midnight

    Saturday Night Live

    Dash Earthboy: guess you don't get Saturday Night Live either huh?
    Dash Earthboy: the TV show?
    Qt Core: no, and to add to it since a couple year some local tv try to have its own SNL, i don't even have the courage to try it (i read the name of the US one and surely they can't be up to them)
    Dash Earthboy: i hear ya
    Dash Earthboy: i really like some of the comedians who've gone on from early SNL to make good movies
    Dash Earthboy: and I really miss John Belushi
    Dash Earthboy: I watch Jim in almost all his TV shows tho
    Qt Core: he is way more famous for his music here than for his acting
    Dash Earthboy: John?
    Dash Earthboy: Blues Bros?
    Qt Core: yes,
    Dash Earthboy: heheh
    Dash Earthboy: when i talked about Dan Akroyd earlier today here, some younger folks had no idea
    Dash Earthboy: Bill Murray
    Dash Earthboy: Chevy Chase
    Qt Core: (to be honest i like more Akroyd style)
    Dash Earthboy: more than John's?
    Qt Core: yes, serious quiet madness
    Dash Earthboy: ah!
    Dash Earthboy: so like Chevy Chase too?
    Qt Core: i've rarely seen him, not sure
    Dash Earthboy: Chevy's in a comedy here on TV called "Community"
    Dash Earthboy: about a community college
    Dash Earthboy: how about Bill Murray?...Groundhog Day?
    Dash Earthboy: Scrooge?
    Qt Core: Ghostbusters
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Dash Earthboy: he gets all the romantic parts huh?
    Qt Core: and mess it up ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: part of his charm :)
    Dash Earthboy: validation of "nobody's perfect" :)

    Gary Lewis & the Playboys

    Qt Core: speaking about comedy, just a couple days ago i was thinking i should watch again some movie from one of the best from US, Jerry Lewis... even older
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Dash Earthboy: personally, I'll take Mickey over Jerry
    Dash Earthboy: Rooney, not Mouse :)
    Dash Earthboy: Did you like how Jerry's son played drums?
    Qt Core: maybe better as an actor, but less funny
    Dash Earthboy: "Who wants to buyyy this diamond ring?"
    Qt Core: never knew there was one of Jerry's son playing druns
    Qt Core: don't even know how many sons he have ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: trying to remember his first name
    Dash Earthboy: After "Diamond Ring" he only had like one more top 40
    Dash Earthboy: but yah, he appeared on a show Jerry hosted
    Dash Earthboy: now I got it: Gary Lewis & the Playboys
    Qt Core: i was wandering about how many "son of..." we are starting to have in the show-biz, once it was not so glamorius so sons just went doing something else, especially as they parents were'n t getting so much money... i fear for the level of talent we are getting out of them
    Dash Earthboy: hmmm
    Dash Earthboy: well Gary was in the 60s
    Dash Earthboy: Carole King/Gerry Goffin's daughter Louise in the 70s
    Dash Earthboy: Liza Minelli before that
    Dash Earthboy: She's Judy Garland's daughter
    Qt Core: yes, someone may get talent via DNA but not everyone
    Dash Earthboy: Julian Lennon
    Dash Earthboy: Jim Croce's son
    Dash Earthboy: bob dylan's son
    Dash Earthboy: guess i'm more familiar with the lineage
    Qt Core: ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: my own son hasn't touched a drum or guitar in long time...he's a mechanical engineer now, using the CAD I started teaching him at age 8
    Qt Core: did he plan his sand castles on it ?
    Dash Earthboy: started him helping me build furniture at 3, reengineer a metal swing/slide set at 5 and build a trailer with lights at 6
    Dash Earthboy: heheh
    Dash Earthboy: his company makes ball bearings and similar round objects
    Dash Earthboy: he's unhappy because he wants to go automotive engineering
    Qt Core: may ask to Fiat, it is coming quite fast and hard on US ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: i had him design his Pinebox Derby car for Tiger Scouts when he was 5 using Windows Paint
    Dash Earthboy: he learned how to use its measuring features that way
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Dash Earthboy: i still remember the Fiat convertible my sister got for her 16th birthday
    Dash Earthboy: i got a 4-yr old cargo van with orders to carry her around in it
    Dash Earthboy: like a chauffer
    Dash Earthboy: and she got a brand new Fiat convertible
    Dash Earthboy: not that my mother had anything against men....
    Dash Earthboy: just she was kindda misanthropic
    Dash Earthboy: oh and I had to pay for my van
    Qt Core: you had to work, she had to find a nice husband, that car was a trap
    Dash Earthboy: yep
    Dash Earthboy: the drugs she sold wasn't a good enough ticket for her husbands
    Qt Core: !
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Dash Earthboy: with mom's protection
    Dash Earthboy: mom portrayed herself as Mother Mary, contributing 25% of our gross (when she forced me to work at age 14) to church, and that she was a victim of "bad men"
    Dash Earthboy: hyper-religious
    Dash Earthboy: and her daughters could smoke, drink and swear and she'd deny it all
    Dash Earthboy: but me? never good enough "just like your father" who she drove away from us when I was 14
    Dash Earthboy: between my upbringing and my social work, people who put women on pedastals as being better than men make my stomach turn
    Qt Core: i hope you used that van to drive far away as soon you could
    Dash Earthboy: actually very similar to that
    Dash Earthboy: two weeks after graduating high school I was over 1000 miles away in Utah at age 17
    Dash Earthboy: celebrated my 18th birthday in my own off-campus apartment
    Dash Earthboy: worked three paying jobs to pay out-of-state tuition and all my own expenses and still helped my mother and did social work in Utah
    Dash Earthboy: i spread myself thin most of my life
    Dash Earthboy: in addition to those jobs, i was a Meals On Wheels companion volunteer, peer counselor and did a ministry at the state juvenile prison
    Qt Core: were you by then used to being overworked by your mother request ?
    Dash Earthboy: yes
    Dash Earthboy: always
    Dash Earthboy: she had groomed me for that abuse from a very tender age
    Dash Earthboy: and I had fought some of it since I was 6

    The wearing of glasses

    Dash Earthboy: when she tried to force me to wear bifocals in the first grade
    Dash Earthboy: the same eye doctor blinded my sisters with his practice of over-corrective lenses
    Dash Earthboy: i "lost" about 6 pr of glasses in first and second grade because they were giving me headaches
    Dash Earthboy: my mother tried to get the school to force me to wear them at all times
    Qt Core: as i've sported glasses myself since i was 6 or seven all i can say is... !!
    Dash Earthboy: i saved myself
    Dash Earthboy: and i've saved my son
    Dash Earthboy: he and I are the only ones on either side of his birth families who can drive without glasses
    Dash Earthboy: the only ones out of about 50 close relatives
    Dash Earthboy: including his cousin whose father doesn't need glasses
    Dash Earthboy: but the cousin does, thanks to my older sister
    Qt Core: you know you are widening the crisis of the glass industries, right ? :-)
    Dash Earthboy: hopefully combatting bad medicine
    Dash Earthboy: :)
    Qt Core: for several years my (public) eye- doctor it wasn't wise to up my lenses just for the small gain i could have,... he conceded a few months ago as i told him i was going to have my glasses remade even with the old prescription
    Qt Core: *told me
    Dash Earthboy: Guy Noire: Private Eye
    Dash Earthboy: on APHC
    Qt Core: then when i went with the new glasses with my other eye-doctor (i have more than one issue with them) she told me my new glasses were good, and i can really say i feel good with them
    Qt Core: being in front of a monitor for many ours a day my sight maybe the only aspect of my health i really follow
    Dash Earthboy: heheh
    Dash Earthboy: i understand
    Qt Core: out of curiosity, how is common there laser surgery to correct eyesight and related issues ? (i'm asking as you seem to have a lot of relatives with eyesight issues)
    Dash Earthboy: my older sis had laer surgery almost 10 years ago
    Dash Earthboy: helped for less than two years after initial problems
    Dash Earthboy: now she's bad as ever
    Dash Earthboy: it's promoted pretty heavy over here
    Dash Earthboy: the premise of how the laser is used bums me out
    Dash Earthboy: it they could re-sculpt the focal parts, i'd be more for it
    Dash Earthboy: i certainly think it's okay for cataracts
    Dash Earthboy: when the eyes are deteriorating from masses
    Dash Earthboy: i don't mind you chatting through the bells :)
    Qt Core: i have at least 5 people i know having their eyesight laser corrected (age between 19 and 35) and all af them are very happy with it, getting even 11/10 of eyesight now
    Dash Earthboy: or we could switch to IM if you'd prefer
    Dash Earthboy: sounds like they're getting good work done on them
    Qt Core: np, as you were the one writing more personal things it's your choice, even to ask the goc to remove something if you wish
    Dash Earthboy: the experience of those I know, even outside the family, is not so good
    Qt Core: the only bad experience i've seen... is on my mother with her double cataract, not the laser therapy itself but some follow up cleaning ruined her sight a lot
    Dash Earthboy: typically I've heard "it's a whole new world!!!" for 1-2 years and then phhhttt
    Dash Earthboy: but again, for cataracts and similar, I say "why not do it?"
    Dash Earthboy: for my macular degeneration, it won't help
    Dash Earthboy: and that, like my hair loss, is from stress
    Dash Earthboy: i have practiced every Zen thing I can find to keep the stress from damaging me
    Dash Earthboy: yoga and aerobic exercises
    Dash Earthboy: meditation
    Dash Earthboy: writing and music and art
    Qt Core: and sl too ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: but somethings just can't be avoided i guess
    Dash Earthboy: yes SL has helped some too
    Dash Earthboy: especially like here at PaB
    Dash Earthboy: but I've yet to find counselors in at the counseling sites i've visited on SL
    Dash Earthboy: wonder what Bruce is up to?
    Dash Earthboy: he just came inworld
    Dash Earthboy: maybe checking the log?
    Qt Core: bired to rest ?
    Qt Core: bired
    Qt Core: bored
    Qt Core: got it ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: heheh


    More technotalk

    Dash Earthboy: this time last weekend i had been without internet for 5 hrs
    Dash Earthboy: that meant no phone, no TV, no movies, no SL...
    Qt Core: that would mean only no internet and no land phone, but i would start to scream after much less ;-) even when i don't use it i love the idea of having all the web one click away
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Dash Earthboy: it hurt some bank business i had to attend to at particular times
    Dash Earthboy: and of course, no email nor Facebook
    Qt Core: (i want a wifi and 4G antenna in my skull... and a good firewall between that and my brain ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: heheh
    Dash Earthboy: that could help you stay outta trouble huh?
    Dash Earthboy: i'm just wired here at the house
    Dash Earthboy: my son has 3G wifi at his apartment
    Dash Earthboy: i can't imagine speeds near 3000K like that
    Dash Earthboy: i'm using 600kps right now
    Dash Earthboy: paying for 768kps
    Dash Earthboy: but AT&T says "NO...anything from 256kps up to 768kps"
    Dash Earthboy: last time I had this service level (up to 768ksp) they provided me 700+ normally
    Dash Earthboy: but this time they've lost interest in customer satisfaction
    Qt Core: i have quite a pricey subscription but both the speed and the service are quite good, had tech coming out on saturday and sunday when needed, quite a feat around here
    Dash Earthboy: sounds wonderful
    Dash Earthboy: imagine me trying to download whole linux distros and virtual machines
    Qt Core: but it seems that don't want more of my money, i've asked infos for an upgrade six months ago and no answer
    Dash Earthboy: wow
    Qt Core: well, i was doubting my need for that and now i will not call them again
    Qt Core: after all what you would use for a 100Mb connection ? ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: maybe some sites I could keep up all the time
    Qt Core: keeping a local copy of google after buying some tons of hard disks ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: wow
    Dash Earthboy: my programming tact from the beginning has been to not reinvent the wheel
    Qt Core: to be honest i don't need such speed (yet), it is/was more for the nerd/geek points
    Dash Earthboy: about 7 years ago a friend wanted to set up a server in here in my care
    Dash Earthboy: but he made no promises on what content and ads would be
    Dash Earthboy: so i didn't get into that situation
    Dash Earthboy: you use Linux, right?
    Qt Core: not now but yes
    Dash Earthboy: yah, i'm in it now...everything around me...especially jobs, is Microsoft
    Dash Earthboy: but I think Linus fulfilled the original Unix intent
    Qt Core: at the office i'm usually on windows, but connected to linux servers for most of the time
    Dash Earthboy: heheh
    Dash Earthboy: do your bosses know that?
    Qt Core: i hope so, we develop on/for linuc
    Dash Earthboy: most management here things the world is made of Windows
    Dash Earthboy: develop for linux from Windows domain? hmmmm
    Qt Core: weall love (weell, i love, others just survive) Vi ;-)
    Qt Core: almost no development happen locally on windows
    Dash Earthboy: i hear ya
    Dash Earthboy: sadly most of my paying work here in this area for over 15 years has been on Windows only
    Qt Core: (i even substitute notepad with Vim on all the pc i have to work on)
    Dash Earthboy: cool
    Dash Earthboy: i used Vi alot while consulting for AT&T on the programming I did on their 3B2s
    Dash Earthboy: but when I got my own Unix, 386ix, I got away from it
    Dash Earthboy: Xerox promoted another editor/IDE
    Dash Earthboy: that Unix was eventually bought by/incorporated into Solaris
    Dash Earthboy: so I've migrated to NetBeans and gedit for most of that now
    Dash Earthboy: and herrre's Brucie!
    Qt Core: Hi Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Qt and Dash.
    Bruce Mowbray: Unusual hour to be at the pavilion, no?
    Dash Earthboy: just having a chat while I listen to A Prairie Home Companion
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh cool.
    Dash Earthboy: Qt doesn't get it there
    Qt Core: and you are quite early for the 7pm session ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: I was getting rid of all of my possible lag-causing stuff (fish, facelight, etc.) and thought I'd come over for a look-see.
    Dash Earthboy: ah yes
    Qt Core: i just like to hear the birds
    Dash Earthboy: poor Blub
    Dash Earthboy: i'm listening to the news from Lake Wobegone
    Bruce Mowbray: LOVE that show. Well, I'm going to be moving on. . . .
    Qt Core: usually hair takes a lot of prim and rendering cost
    Qt Core: *take
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Qt Core: (i could lose some 98% of my rendering cost becoming bald)
    Dash Earthboy: getting your strength back some Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: The energy seems to be conming back a bit more every day, but I need to be careful with it -- I have a tendencecy to want to do more than I actually can do.
    Dash Earthboy: Or, Qt, you could go like Rhi?
    Bruce Mowbray: My best to Guy Noir and the Buttermilk Bisquit crew.
    Bruce Mowbray: You guys have a good night.
    Dash Earthboy: yah Bruce y'gotta keep a steady pace on that
    Dash Earthboy: you too Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: bye for now.
    Qt Core: bye Bruce
    Dash Earthboy: bye
    Dash Earthboy: well this is probably good time for working on rez issues and such
    Dash Earthboy: i haven't really spent so much time on SL past few weeks as I have yesterday and today alone
    Qt Core: sometimes happen, to me especially just after deciding to soend less time in it
    Dash Earthboy: i'll be getting off soon to free up bandwidth for Hulu watching
    Dash Earthboy: that's free movies & tv here in US
    Dash Earthboy: and they have paid plans too
    Dash Earthboy: i put movie rez on lowest speed and get halfway decent results
    Qt Core: there is no cable tv in italy, only in past 15 years satellite paid channels and we just switched all air tv to digital, a lot of useless new channel and some paid too
    Dash Earthboy: at individual TV network sites, it's no choice below 360 kps
    Dash Earthboy: i hear ya Qt
    Qt Core: main tv channels are free, just with a lot of ad
    Dash Earthboy: for short time here I had cheapest cable within 100 miles and got about 30 channels for $13/mo
    Dash Earthboy: i got to watch a Chicago station I liked and some other stuff like that
    Dash Earthboy: but no MTV or VH1 or other premium channels
    Dash Earthboy: Hulu is putting more and more movie and TV in their premium paid plans only
    Dash Earthboy: i do miss being able to do paid work on any kind of programming: Win or Lin
    Qt Core: in my first years of programming i didn't undersand why they paid me fo having so much fun
    Dash Earthboy: Starting to use Lazarus and FreePascal to supplement my Delphi skills
    Dash Earthboy: i hear ya Qt
    Dash Earthboy: to me, programming is another form of creative writing
    Dash Earthboy: i like to write
    Qt Core: i don't write but i agree
    Dash Earthboy: programming lets my writing "come to life"
    Dash Earthboy: more directly than multi-media
    Dash Earthboy: i think I'm gonna take the last 10 minutes of APHC to wash dishes while listening and fixing supper
    Dash Earthboy: really nice to have our chat here tonight
    Dash Earthboy: do you plan to stay up much longer?
    Qt Core: same here bar the supper ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Qt Core: just a few minutes
    Dash Earthboy: cool
    Dash Earthboy: hope you sleep well
    Qt Core: me too ;-)
    Qt Core: enjoy your supper
    Dash Earthboy: catch ya later...or - as they say here in the South -- ciao
    Qt Core: ;-) ciao

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