2011.06.22 07:00 - We are Surprised with What Emerges

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal, joined by Storm, Xirana, FcSeeker, Aphrodite, Bleu, Zaldaan, Zen and Lucinda. We ran quite the gambut today, from learning styles to tech tips, from Truth to synchronicity and "I Am That".

    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Storm
    Storm Nordwind: Hi there :)
    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi there Storm and FcSeeker :))
    Storm Nordwind: Welcome Pink Lady
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe, looked for the right dress to match new hair
    Storm Nordwind: I presumed with the grass in your absence. Please set it back if you wish!
    Eliza Madrigal: I like the grass, very summery and pleasant
    Eliza Madrigal: thank you

    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, Storm... meant to share a TED talk with you... short one, 10 minutes... synesthesia...
    Storm Nordwind: Oh yes?
    Eliza Madrigal: http://www.ted.com/talks/daniel_tammet_different_ways_of_knowing.html
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you!
    Eliza Madrigal: Interestingly titled 'ways of knowing'
    Storm Nordwind: Yes ;)
    Storm Nordwind: 10 minutes is a good estimate of attention span for a synesthete! ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe

    Eliza Madrigal: I seem to think a little 'differently' than mainstream methods address and often felt a bit off, but maybe that's more the norm than we've ever been able to factor until now
    Eliza Madrigal: so many labels have made us realize a bit that few labels can really stick... so many variations

    Storm Nordwind: I was quite surprised, when I was very young, that others looked askance at what I took for granted.
    Storm Nordwind: Kids learn to keep quiet about their differences, else they're often in for a tough time
    Eliza Madrigal: yes indeed
    Eliza Madrigal: my son says 'my friend __ and I are the only ones who use our brains outside of school'
    Storm Nordwind: Oh dear! Even if that's not 100% true, it's a poor impression
    Eliza Madrigal: what he means is that he sees a difference in the way the kids approach school
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Eliza Madrigal: and he's as much as told me that he doesn't want to appear too smart
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. So sad.
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe... maybe that's part of what makes him emphasize school less, hm
    Eliza Madrigal: which would be a benefit long term, as it seems to have been for you?
    Eliza Madrigal: wholistic

    Storm Nordwind: Yes perhaps. It's not really the learning he's de-emphasizing, rather than the class culture he finds himself in.
    Eliza Madrigal: yes

    Eliza Madrigal: Fc, how are you today....?
    Eliza Madrigal: not still forlorn I hope
    FcSeeker Resident: listening
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: will be strange not to flow into music session today, now that Sun has changed the times
    Eliza Madrigal: keeping us on our toes :)
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. Talented people are often much in demand it seems and their time is often difficult to squeeze in
    Eliza Madrigal: definitely! thinks of pema's mantra "if you want something done give it to a busy person'
    Storm Nordwind: That's a common UK business maxim too
    Eliza Madrigal: though, I must admit I'm not sure how you have been managing everything you've been up to lately
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: Storm surge
    Eliza Madrigal: :D
    Storm Nordwind: haha! It's been tricky. Some things slip down the priority list but still have to get done

    Eliza Madrigal: :) We're approaching the pause...


    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Was it Sharon who recently said she was reading Alan Watts?
    Storm Nordwind forgets
    Eliza Madrigal: oh, interesting... not sure. I think Sharon is reading Pema Chodron
    Eliza Madrigal: but she might have moved on :)
    Storm Nordwind: :)

    Storm Nordwind: By coincidence there was a lecture of his playing on local community radio here yesterday. It was unusual for me to tune in at that time and I was delighted to hear it
    Eliza Madrigal: on local radio?
    Eliza Madrigal: wow
    Storm Nordwind: http://www.kgnu.org/
    Eliza Madrigal: What was he speaking about?
    Storm Nordwind: Myth and Religion. One of basic lectures. Recorded in the 1960s I believe. In this one he talked about different models of looking at our place in the universe and the role of a god figure

    Eliza Madrigal: ah, one of my favorite topics... big joseph campbell fan
    Eliza Madrigal: so he was speaking to 'different models'?
    Eliza Madrigal: modes? ways? :)
    Storm Nordwind smiles at the American idiom of "speaking to" he's recently noticed... ;)
    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Bleu
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Bleu
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: hi everyone :)
    Storm Nordwind: He was contrasting the east and western models, the Hebrew and Hindu models

    Storm Nordwind: There was someone wat the pavilion last night who would have appreciated the eastern one - as she bore a relevant name! ;-))
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: strangely the thing that sticks strongly in my mind about Watts is his talking about clothing in different parts of the world, and how constricting western clothes are, 'purposeful'
    Storm Nordwind expects that few know the meaning of the name "Lila"
    Storm Nordwind: Ah... interesting... hadn't thought of that - probably right though!
    Eliza Madrigal: Lila has been knocking at her shell for a while... may be around more we'll see
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Storm Nordwind: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: free play :)
    Storm Nordwind: Delightful image, like a chick trying to peck its way through
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe she's been waiting for the theater
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Bleu Oleander hopes so!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: How are you Bleu?
    Bleu Oleander: fine thanks and you all?
    FcSeeker Resident: still listening :)
    Storm Nordwind is tired but content :)
    Eliza Madrigal wonders if Bleu sees I went shopping at a store she gave me a link to...
    Bleu Oleander is bracing for 113 degree day
    Eliza Madrigal: 113, eeeek
    Bleu Oleander zooms in
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Hair shop, wonderful
    Bleu Oleander: ah yes, wonderful

    Eliza Madrigal: We'll pause again soon. Anyone have a frame or exploration?
    Bleu Oleander: dangerous to be on their mailing list

    Eliza Madrigal: I can see why :)
    Storm Nordwind finds the only thing he ever does with his hair (in SL) is shave it off or let it grow back!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Xirana :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehhe Storm
    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Xirana and Zen
    Eliza Madrigal: and both are "Storm"

    Bleu Oleander: hi Xirana
    Zen Arado: Hi All :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hello everyone:)
    Bleu Oleander: hi Zen
    Storm Nordwind: Hi!
    Zen Arado: I can record tracks from ITunes onto Audacity Storm?


    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks :) Nice
    Storm Nordwind: Don't know. (Don't use iTunes.) What format (file extension) does iTunes use for its music files?
    Zen Arado: well it says 'When you press the Record button, Audacity will capture whatever sound is playing on your computer's speakers'
    Zen Arado: on Audacity help files
    Eliza Madrigal loves the word audacious
    Storm Nordwind: I see. Probably true, though I never use it that way
    Zen Arado: no me neither
    Zen Arado: is why I wondered
    Eliza Madrigal: This is for use in plays/skits?
    Storm Nordwind: How are the files stored on your computer? As mp3 files?
    Zen Arado: if I have a flamenco track I wanted to transfer to you I could do it that way
    Zen Arado: I hope
    Storm Nordwind: Audacity will import mp3 directly
    Storm Nordwind: Also .wav, aiff, ogg vorbis and au
    Zen Arado: yeh but where do I get flamenco mp 3 track?
    Xirana Oximoxi: oleé!
    Eliza Madrigal: el duende!
    Zen Arado: though I found 1
    Storm Nordwind: Youtube?
    Zen Arado: so thought I might buy an album on I tunes
    Storm Nordwind: I can coach you through the various tools, once you find the files!
    Bleu Oleander: .m4p and .m4a files looks like on iTunes
    Eliza Madrigal: brb, freshening coffee
    Storm Nordwind: http://media.io/ will do all the cross-converting between file formats that you ever need. For free
    Zen Arado: yeh good
    Zen Arado: just need to find starting material
    Zen Arado: my flamenco playing isn't too good :)
    Storm Nordwind: I sometimes start on Youtube. Then use http://www.youtube-mp3.org/
    Zen Arado: non existent in fact
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Zen Arado: but cthat is video?
    Storm Nordwind: It discards the video
    Zen Arado: ah ok

    FcSeeker Resident: Heloo Zaldaan
    Zen Arado: didn't know about that ty
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zaldaan, ltns
    Zen Arado: Hi Zaldaan
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Zaldaan
    Eliza Madrigal: What an interesting tag "lucid manager"
    Bleu Oleander: hi Zaldaan
    Zaldaan Sirnah: Hello :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hello Zaldaan
    Eliza Madrigal: What have you been up to Zaldaan... has been a while
    Storm Nordwind thinks that "lucid manager" is probably better than "muddled manager" ;)
    Eliza Madrigal would imagine so

    Zaldaan Sirnah: I feel distant... like Zaldaan is someone else.
    Zaldaan Sirnah: As if, when you speak to "him", *I*'m not obligated to answer.
    Zaldaan Sirnah: As if... any of you could answer for me.

    Storm Nordwind: Is that pleasant, or uncomfortable?

    Zaldaan Sirnah: both
    Zaldaan Sirnah: it's nice to be under no obligation -- for people like me who have yet to find comfort in their capability to respond to others
    Zaldaan Sirnah: do you trust in the knowledge and understanding you have?

    Storm Nordwind: It seems you have given yourself permission to remain silent. Sounds a wonderfully positive step :)
    Zen Arado: we know more than we think we do
    Zaldaan Sirnah: or if you offer advise, like so many do, but perhaps it's inaccurate, or a waste of the other's time?
    Eliza Madrigal: when I'm here I'm often not considering what I 'know' but what just seeing what emerges
    Xirana Oximoxi: ah... trust... what a subject:)
    Eliza Madrigal: from everyone together

    Zen Arado: there are great depths of knowledge and experience reserves within each of us
    Zen Arado: yes and we are surprised with what emerges

    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Zen Arado: if we allow it to
    Xirana Oximoxi: I'm always learning from others

    Storm Nordwind: Admitting the limitations of knowledge and being open to constant reevaluation doesn't mean you can't be pragmatic about your current model of understanding


    Eliza Madrigal: :)Ty
    FcSeeker Resident: how could one truly live without trusting the current kowledge and understanding...

    Storm Nordwind: Part of living is exploring. When you explore, you may not trust in what you'll find, only in your ability to survive.
    FcSeeker Resident: that is imo an other thing when explores
    FcSeeker Resident: knowing and understanding is to me such which is already there
    Zen Arado: every moment is an exploration
    FcSeeker Resident: indeed
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Storm Nordwind 's living is one long constant exploration :)

    Zaldaan Sirnah: how do I know when I am acting, thinking, or otherwise in harmony with my heart?

    FcSeeker Resident: just that harmony
    Storm Nordwind: Look for obvious clues
    FcSeeker Resident: it's the answer
    FcSeeker Resident: there is no harmony when there's only belief and the belief is not based on the truth
    FcSeeker Resident: to know
    FcSeeker Resident: that is truth
    FcSeeker Resident: truth brings harmony
    FcSeeker Resident: sure one can spoil it with doubts

    Eliza Madrigal: have heard that the more original meaning of the word 'belief' is more like love
    FcSeeker Resident: well...my english is poor...
    Storm Nordwind: Fc, do you think that truth is constant? Or is some truth, for example. only true for you or only true in context for a while?
    Eliza Madrigal: not meaning to correct, just adding musings :)
    FcSeeker Resident: but I believe that all languages are poor when there's no will to understand one and an other
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    FcSeeker Resident: imo truth can never been anybody's own only
    FcSeeker Resident: truth is something that is know as it is through dimensions and realms
    FcSeeker Resident: known
    FcSeeker Resident: opinions are different things
    FcSeeker Resident: but yes; only the truth can bring harmony
    FcSeeker Resident: like there was just said; we know a lot more than we think
    FcSeeker Resident: but we can feel what is true/truth

    Storm Nordwind: I'm always amused by the court oath to tell the truth, the whole truth amd nothing but the truth. It seems to me that one can never know enough to know the whole truth, the whole context.

    Eliza Madrigal: :)) yes
    FcSeeker Resident: with that I agree
    FcSeeker Resident: and have also thought that same thing
    Eliza Madrigal: bit of a show :)
    FcSeeker Resident: horrible show so many times
    FcSeeker Resident: court of law I mean
    Eliza Madrigal: but how to handle the complexity otherwise?
    Eliza Madrigal: I suppose closer would be 'I aspire to tell the truth that I am able to grasp and articulate this instant'
    Eliza Madrigal: heeh
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    FcSeeker Resident: maybe that is such question that nobody can answer for anybody else but one's own opinion

    Storm Nordwind: Or "I will say what I believe to be true and will aspire to leave nothing out"

    FcSeeker Resident: that how to handle
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, yes that's closer yet
    Eliza Madrigal: can we directly experience 'truth'?
    FcSeeker Resident: feels very good with Storm's suggestion
    FcSeeker Resident: yes we can
    FcSeeker Resident: anybody can if wants
    FcSeeker Resident: sorry my expression 'we'
    Eliza Madrigal: aspire to leave nothing out nor add anything in
    Eliza Madrigal: tricky
    Eliza Madrigal: edgy
    FcSeeker Resident: with that I mean all of us here now and that 'can' is 'is possible'
    Zen Arado: direct experience is fresh......knowledge is stale
    FcSeeker Resident: I'm not religious, but I have great belief to the saying 'who knocks, shall get the answer'
    FcSeeker Resident: lol

    FcSeeker Resident: sadly the answer may take time sometimes, but mostly not very much

    Storm Nordwind: Though maybe not the answer they wanted! ;)


    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    FcSeeker Resident: that is the point; the answer is always the wanted whe one honestly asks for the truth
    Eliza Madrigal is reminded of a story someone told me of trying and trying to 'get love' until someone flipped it for them... suggested drop getting and just 'be love'...
    Storm Nordwind: Gentlefolk - I must be self-discplined and go work! Thank you for your exhilarating company and please excuse me
    Zen Arado: great Eliza
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye Storm:)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Thanks Storm, Bye !
    Zen Arado: bye Strom
    Bleu Oleander: bye Storm
    Storm Nordwind: Namaste
    Bleu Oleander: must be off also ... take care all :)
    Eliza Madrigal: few can get away with the phrase 'gentlefolk' heh
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bleu, nice to see you :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye Bleu:)
    Bleu Oleander: bye bye
    Zen Arado: bye Bleu
    Eliza Madrigal: it suits Storm though, particular manners
    Eliza Madrigal: Well it seems a funny day
    Eliza Madrigal: Did we figure anything out? :)
    FcSeeker Resident: (sorry I was desturbed in RL)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: I also go, nice time to al and see you soon:)
    Eliza Madrigal: if the truth that you know 'sets free' then that seems close to 'being truth'
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you Xirana :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye:)
    Eliza Madrigal: instant to instant, moment to moment exploration
    Zen Arado: bye Xirana
    Eliza Madrigal: (synthecizing todays contributions)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Zen did you manage to study this morning?

    FcSeeker Resident: do you Zaldaan wish to be 'landed' from the phrase of distant ?
    Eliza Madrigal: afternoon for you I know :)
    Zen Arado: yes I did an hour or so
    Zen Arado: I didn't stay at the nudist place long
    FcSeeker Resident: you only need to create clear wish and that shall just happen
    Eliza Madrigal: HI Lucinda!
    Zen Arado: not sure I like it anyway
    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Lucinda
    Zen Arado: Hi Luci
    Eliza Madrigal: I"m curious but overdressed
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Zen Arado: it's easy to take clothes off an avatar
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi eliza, Zen, Fc,Zaldan...
    Eliza Madrigal: when you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are...

    When you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are
    Anything your heart desires will come to you

    If your heart is in your dreams, no request is too extreme
    When you wish upon a star as dreamers do...
    (written by Leigh Harline and Ned Washington )


    FcSeeker Resident: (have felt nude sometimes when people have suggested clothings which I cannot use)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Luci you are back to rainbow kimono outfit
    FcSeeker Resident: I also was a bit surprised for the news there was few days back
    Eliza Madrigal: lovely as always, bright and cheery
    Lucinda Lavender: was feeling a need to look more like myself I think

    Eliza Madrigal: news Fc?
    FcSeeker Resident: it was so called discovered by some reporters that people bring themself into the virtual worlds they enter
    FcSeeker Resident: but I felt good that now it is said also in publick news :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: thinks all worlds are virtual
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe that ties in with Luci feeling coziest closer to RL self?
    Zen Arado: silly people make them 'real'
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe

    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Aphrodite
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Aphrodite!
    Zen Arado: Hi Aph
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Aphrodite
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello everyone
    Zen Arado: lucky you have a neame tag :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-) I didn't think I had. I can't see it
    Eliza Madrigal: How are you feeling today Aph?

    eliza, luci, aph 6-22.jpg

    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm feeling anonymous today
    Aphrodite Macbain: and a wee sad

    Zen Arado: of course I don't really recognise ppl from their appearance in SL
    Zen Arado: when I think about it
    Eliza Madrigal: aw
    Aphrodite Macbain: many of us change constantly
    Eliza Madrigal: I do... sometimes it takes me a while to get used to someone
    Zen Arado: that's true too
    Aphrodite Macbain: in appearance that is
    Eliza Madrigal: I think I'd faint if Fef showed up in jeans and a tshirt
    FcSeeker Resident: I dont mostly even see the appearance
    Eliza Madrigal: am used to his spiderman colors
    Eliza Madrigal: :))

    Eliza Madrigal: how does it feel to dress that way Aph?
    Aphrodite Macbain: a little warm
    Aphrodite Macbain: there are layers and layers of this hijab
    FcSeeker Resident: btw; added now someting into my profile because of Aphrodites question
    Zen Arado: yeh and they dress like that in hot countries
    Aphrodite Macbain: what did you add Fc?
    FcSeeker Resident: ah; explore my profile when you have nothing better to do
    FcSeeker Resident: I now sadly must log out
    Eliza Madrigal: :) have a lovely day Fc
    Zen Arado: bye FC
    FcSeeker Resident: wishing you to continue having good time


    Aphrodite Macbain: ah L.A.
    FcSeeker Resident: bye all
    Eliza Madrigal: Luci, I read that you gave the whole title of the Chopra book you were reading... have listened to that one on audio, enjoyed it quite a bit... synchronicities
    Aphrodite Macbain: what impressed you?
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...read it some time back but have kept it on the shelf
    Eliza Madrigal: I liked his idea of logging synchronistic moments as one might write down dreams
    Lucinda Lavender: It came at a good time for one thing
    Eliza Madrigal: paying attention

    Aphrodite Macbain: aren't synchronistic moments simply accidents?

    Eliza Madrigal: suppose it is all just good ol fashioned appreciation
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...and it was helpful in suggesting to me that the way I was seeing a situation might be moldable
    Zen Arado: I can't be bothered reading spiritual books atm
    Eliza Madrigal: I think there are different sorts of synchronicities
    Eliza Madrigal: wow Zen, amazing :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: why Zen?
    Zen Arado: only Nisargadatta's 'I am That'
    Eliza Madrigal: that's what I'm reading!
    Eliza Madrigal: well, one thing
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: that's all we need to read :)
    Lucinda Lavender: can you guys tell us a little about it?
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes please
    Zen Arado: it's free on the web
    Eliza Madrigal: Is it?
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, guess I didnt need to lug around the huge book
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Zen Arado: http://www.maharajnisargadatta.com/I_Am_That.pdf

    Eliza Madrigal: What I like, is that various books play together well
    Zen Arado: I bought the book too Eliza
    Zen Arado: prefer paper version
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Zen Arado: it was expensive too
    Aphrodite Macbain: I see it is in PDF format on the web.
    Lucinda Lavender: looking at the link...
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, am trying to think of what is most interesting....
    Aphrodite Macbain: Table of contents covers a wide subject area

    Zen Arado: 'Give up all questions except one: ‘Who am I?’ After all, the only fact you are sure of is that you are. The ‘I am’ is certain. The ‘I am this’ is not. Struggle to find out what you are in reality'

    Zen Arado: sums it up
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: for me this comes after reading "Each Moment is the Universe" in which Katagiri talks about Dogen's 'swimming on the surface of the ocean while walking on the bottom'
    Zen Arado: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I think therefoe I am?
    Aphrodite Macbain: therefore
    Aphrodite Macbain: beautiful image Eliza
    Zen Arado: I am not this body or mind

    Aphrodite Macbain: then who am I?

    Eliza Madrigal: Nisargadatta collaborates nicely, in that he has 'given up into' Absolute
    Zen Arado: yeh I have that one too
    Zaldaan Sirnah: afk
    Eliza Madrigal: "I am that, you are that, all this is that, and that's all there is"
    Eliza Madrigal: Chopra quotes him I think...
    Lucinda Lavender: hmmm
    Eliza Madrigal: not sure if in the Desire book or the Secrets book
    Zen Arado: Nisargadatta was just a little man who sold cigarettes in Bombay

    Aphrodite Macbain: I thought it should be "I am" only without the "that"

    Zen Arado: they all quote him
    Eliza Madrigal: well I am includes that
    Eliza Madrigal: in this way of view
    Zen Arado: his name kept coming up for me
    Lucinda Lavender: feels related to the David Whyte video I watched
    Aphrodite Macbain: I love the way Luci types with her cup in her hand
    Eliza Madrigal: comforting:))
    Aphrodite Macbain: Is it easily available/
    Lucinda Lavender: I like the suggestion of keeping up the liquides
    Lucinda Lavender: I like the steam
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: mmm
    Aphrodite Macbain: good for the skin
    Lucinda Lavender: something visible going on there
    Eliza Madrigal: Another thing I love, is that he said 'the problem is not desires, but that your desires are too small'
    Eliza Madrigal: (NIsargadatta)
    Zen Arado: yes
    Zen Arado: I find gems on every page
    Aphrodite Macbain: interesting. we should wish for the universe?
    Eliza Madrigal: well desire on an ego scale will never satisfy, may be close to what he is saying?
    Lucinda Lavender: is it that they are present but hard to see when not allowing?
    Eliza Madrigal: wishing only for ourselves
    Lucinda Lavender: allowing ourselves?
    Lucinda Lavender: ah
    Eliza Madrigal: ah yes, I think so too Luci
    Eliza Madrigal: I think that's part of it... compassion for ourselves
    Aphrodite Macbain: ah, as well as all sentient beings
    Eliza Madrigal: indeed
    Aphrodite Macbain: all other sentient beings
    Aphrodite Macbain: that's big
    Eliza Madrigal: Song of Enlightenment says 'my gain is the gain of everyone endlessly'
    Aphrodite Macbain: and vice versa?
    Eliza Madrigal: would seem so :)
    Eliza Madrigal: especially if thou es me
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: what I like about the ocean quote of Dogen is that it is so intimate and also so vast
    Zen Arado: yes
    Zen Arado: you find they are all saying the same thing
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: can you say a little more about that quote?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Sorry, I must shuffle off. Bye! dear sentient beings
    Lucinda Lavender: bye dear!
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Aph :) Have a happy day


    Zen Arado: but we prefer to keep thinking and fussing over the details
    Zen Arado: anyway must go
    Eliza Madrigal: there is that saying 'god is in the details'
    Eliza Madrigal: OK Zen :)
    Lucinda Lavender: have a good day Zen:)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes busy day
    Zen Arado: no it's the devil who is :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Zen Arado: byeee
    Eliza Madrigal: I think part of what the image means is that all the details and sorrows of life are none other than all
    Eliza Madrigal: but I'd love to hear more about what you enjoyed/are enjoying about the Desire book
    Lucinda Lavender: hmmm
    Lucinda Lavender: I was inspired because he was able to cue in to the synchronicities I suppose
    Lucinda Lavender: and that we have some choice in how we view what is going on
    Eliza Madrigal: yes!
    Eliza Madrigal: that's what I liked too.... a sense of collaboration with a friendly world
    Lucinda Lavender: it gave me strength when I needed it
    Eliza Madrigal: you have been having quite a time it seems, Luci
    Lucinda Lavender: not settleing for the lesser view
    Lucinda Lavender: generally yes a big time in the big apple...now home tho

    Lucinda Lavender: it gave me a sense of strength too actually
    Lucinda Lavender: learning to navigate in a big place
    Eliza Madrigal: :))

    Lucinda Lavender: I think there are these moments tho where every thing seems fragile...
    Lucinda Lavender: but is not when one looks beyond the immediate fears of the self

    Eliza Madrigal: oooh, yes
    Eliza Madrigal: when we 'stop'

    Lucinda Lavender: yes stop separating ourselves

    Eliza Madrigal: sometimes just because there is nothing else we can do
    Eliza Madrigal: we run out :)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: we are not alone tho...like david whyte said...:)
    Eliza Madrigal: then maybe life, in a wider sense can kick in
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
    Lucinda Lavender: quieting the self voice that feels separate
    Eliza Madrigal: mmm

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    Eliza Madrigal: have you seen a change in synchronicity patterns over time Luci?
    Lucinda Lavender: interesting question...I am probably not aware enough to know...
    Lucinda Lavender: but...some feel that more is happening...
    Lucinda Lavender: like time is speeding up...not sure if that is true but some feel that way...friends
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm
    Lucinda Lavender: and that this is challenging
    Eliza Madrigal: my way of feeling time has changed but I can make no judgment about a larger scale
    Eliza Madrigal: these do seem intimately linked, synchronicity and time
    Eliza Madrigal: playful time
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I think they are looking at the mayan calendar.
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...playful time
    Eliza Madrigal: in my own life I can see how noticing synchronicity has been a kind of path
    Lucinda Lavender: ah:)
    Lucinda Lavender: me too:)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) maybe a natural part of the dream work too?


    Eliza Madrigal reminds herself to remember dream circle next week!
    Lucinda Lavender: oh yes...
    Eliza Madrigal: Are you familiar with Harry Potter? there is this wonderful idea in one of the books which gives a picture of 'flow'
    Lucinda Lavender: I have a feeling that rushing around a lot distracts one away from synchronicities
    Lucinda Lavender: which book?
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe til all the rushing integrates :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I think it is the 5th book...
    Eliza Madrigal: but not exactly sure, maybe 6th
    Lucinda Lavender: what do you remember about it?
    Eliza Madrigal: the idea is 'felix felicis'
    Eliza Madrigal: and it is a potion that gives a person 'one day of everything going perfectly'
    Eliza Madrigal: harmony
    Lucinda Lavender: wow...
    Lucinda Lavender: to be used when really needed in the story I bet
    Eliza Madrigal: the thing is, it doesn't make things stop but there is a flow between the person and their surroundings
    Eliza Madrigal: and a confidence
    Lucinda Lavender: nodding
    Eliza Madrigal: the confidence is the key I think :)
    Lucinda Lavender: quite a lot to think about there

    Lucinda Lavender: confidence is an important thing when younger...
    Lucinda Lavender: helpful guidence
    Eliza Madrigal: encouragement
    Eliza Madrigal: someone saying 'trust your instincts' / listen
    Lucinda Lavender: right!
    Lucinda Lavender: that can be so hard to do...when you have been taught to follow rules
    Lucinda Lavender: or please others
    Eliza Madrigal: indeed and those rules not talked about

    Lucinda Lavender: I try to get that across to my kids...and it is not easy....
    Lucinda Lavender: sometimes sounds empty
    Eliza Madrigal: what does? lisen to your heart?
    Lucinda Lavender: or ungraspable
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, nods
    Lucinda Lavender: in the moment
    Lucinda Lavender: if I say...what feels right?
    Eliza Madrigal: right, especially with so much going on... life seems louder when young, heh

    Lucinda Lavender: I suppose all choices are right and they all render a certain quality of experience
    Eliza Madrigal: interesting perspective
    Eliza Madrigal: each life individual
    Lucinda Lavender: well I do not mean there are not lines that seem to be destructive

    Eliza Madrigal: my Meme used to use the phrase, later picked up by my mother 'the moment is gone'.... I hated it because I felt it was shutting down inquiry of feelings, etc... felt like a punishment. Now I hear it quite differently
    Eliza Madrigal: to be sensitive
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...THAT moment is gone
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I would be saying 'so!'
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Lucinda Lavender: :)))
    Eliza Madrigal: your children hear you I'm sure Luci
    Eliza Madrigal: some guidence springs up in its time
    Lucinda Lavender: and she might be pointing out...look forward
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, it was usually a sensitive moment when she'd shared something and I had been insensitive and tried to go back
    Eliza Madrigal: tried to make up for it
    Lucinda Lavender: yeah...sometimes it seems so hard when young

    Eliza Madrigal: different timing perhaps :)
    Eliza Madrigal: speed
    Lucinda Lavender: right! I think you are right about speed
    Lucinda Lavender: or timing


    Lucinda Lavender: lots of clashing goes on...resistance
    Eliza Madrigal: skepticism about the older generation seems to go with finding one's way :)
    Lucinda Lavender: trying to see ones own power
    Eliza Madrigal: indeed
    Lucinda Lavender: remember it clearly
    Lucinda Lavender: prove oneself
    Eliza Madrigal: at some point a parent has to trust
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Eliza Madrigal: as you were saying, the wider view

    Lucinda Lavender: watched an interesting movie set in Appalachia this week...
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    Lucinda Lavender: The Song Catcher
    Eliza Madrigal: what a title
    Lucinda Lavender: yes set earlier
    Lucinda Lavender: and a trained woman goes out to record the songs in the mountains
    Lucinda Lavender: and is changed
    Eliza Madrigal: how so?
    Lucinda Lavender: has to give up some of her recordings that she makes
    Lucinda Lavender: they get destryed
    Lucinda Lavender: just interesing...
    Eliza Madrigal: impermanence
    Lucinda Lavender: yep
    Eliza Madrigal: do new songs emerge ?
    Lucinda Lavender: but the songs are most interesting passed down orally
    Eliza Madrigal: ahh
    Lucinda Lavender: yes they morph
    Eliza Madrigal: so the spontaneity is kept
    Lucinda Lavender: but a little slowly in some environs
    Lucinda Lavender: yes

    Eliza Madrigal: the other day in the SL birthday party I heard an almost techno version of Hallelujia
    Eliza Madrigal: hehee. I wont say it was my favorite, but better than one might think
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Handel or cohen?
    Eliza Madrigal: Cohen
    Lucinda Lavender: ah!
    Lucinda Lavender: interesting...
    Eliza Madrigal: always amazing to me...
    Eliza Madrigal: that is something I'd not really make room for willingly
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...:)))

    Lucinda Lavender: you know...I see that I maybe could meet up with some of Connies students and I never have done that...maybe I should make the attempt:)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes! are there some nearby?
    Lucinda Lavender: they are in chez Christine
    Lucinda Lavender: I bet
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, you mean in SL today
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: thought you were talking about RL
    Eliza Madrigal: I should go actually
    Lucinda Lavender: I would love to speak longer with you...maybe again soon privately...
    Eliza Madrigal: Storm gave a good 'responsible' example a while ago but I've lingered happily :))
    Eliza Madrigal: yes that would be lovely, nice to catch up a bit today
    Lucinda Lavender: yes!!
    Lucinda Lavender: soon then...
    Eliza Madrigal: soon soon, yes! Big hug
    Lucinda Lavender: great day to you
    Eliza Madrigal waves to Zaldaan
    Eliza Madrigal: hah

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