2011.06.26 13:00 - Where does meaning reside?

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    The guardian for this session was Maxine Walden.  The comments are hers.

    This session in my view was one which meandered as to the heart of the session, and my view again was that it was difficult to focus on meaning; that many of us may have been a bit disconnected with our centers to know where our own meaning might reside.  Thus a shifting focus, which wound up focussing on the beauties but also extremities of the natural world.

    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Mazine

    Maxine Walden: hi, Fc, nice to see you!

    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Dash

    Maxine Walden: am checking to see of the logger has my correct email address, brb

    Dash Earthboy: hey y'all

    Dash Earthboy: 's up Fc?

    FcSeeker Resident: listening :)

    Maxine Walden: hi, Dash, good to see you!

    Dash Earthboy: wow this lag is even re-ordering the chat sequence

    Dash Earthboy: hey Maxine

    FcSeeker Resident: wb Maxine

    Maxine Walden: :), I was checking to see that the logger got the right address.

    Dash Earthboy: good idea :)

    Maxine Walden: How are both of your Sundays going?

    Dash Earthboy: very productive one for me

    Maxine Walden: ah?

    Dash Earthboy: but little progress toward my goals

    FcSeeker Resident: has been very peacfull and silent

    Maxine Walden: maybe thre are different goals to pursue at different times

    Dash Earthboy: cool Fc :)

    Maxine Walden: sounds good, Fc

    FcSeeker Resident: :)

    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Wol

    Dash Earthboy: hey Wol !!

    Wol Euler: hello maxine, fc, dash

    Maxine Walden: Where I live when the sun comes out, as it is now, everyone thinks he/she must out side because the sun is infrequent

    Maxine Walden: hi, wol, good to see you

    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Bertram

    Dash Earthboy: hey Bert

    Maxine Walden: hi, Bertram

    Bertram Jacobus: hey folks :-)

    Wol Euler: hello bert

    Maxine Walden: hey!

    FcSeeker Resident: sniffs

    Maxine Walden: :)

    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Berftram :)

    FcSeeker Resident: Bertram

    Bertram Jacobus: oh. fc - you greet me twice ? why is that ? and ty ! ;-)

    Maxine Walden: maybe he is doubly glad to see you, Bert

    Dash Earthboy: Fc is twice as nice :)

    FcSeeker Resident: cuz you greeted folks only...

    Wol Euler smiles.

    FcSeeker Resident: it is nice to see you again Bertram

    Maxine Walden: ah, Fc and you don't feel like 'folks'

    Bertram Jacobus: oh. sry. again and again the same ugly problem : my lacks of knowledge of the english language - so very sry pls fc and greetz to you too ! ... :-/

    Dash Earthboy: toys aren't folks?

    FcSeeker Resident: I am a toy :)

    FcSeeker Resident: no

    Dash Earthboy: Toys R Us?

    Maxine Walden: :))

    FcSeeker Resident: oh please no sorry Bertram

    FcSeeker Resident: I didn't know that english is not your first language

    Bertram Jacobus: hmmmmm - okay . :-)

    FcSeeker Resident: hugs Bertram :)

    FcSeeker Resident: <3

    Bertram Jacobus: it´s ma running topic here fc - coming up again and again and i think, i bore people already since a long time with it

    Wol Euler laughs and tosses a cushion at you.

    Maxine Walden: had not been aware of that, Bert

    Wol Euler: your english is fine, stop apologising

    Maxine Walden: agree with Wol

    FcSeeker Resident: (has not seen any bored people here :))

    Maxine Walden: right, Fc!

    Storm Nordwind is Offline

    Dash Earthboy: *wonders if bored people bore themselves?

    Bertram Jacobus: no wol. i experience problems very often because of that and it makes it quite difficult to me. ok : may be because i would like to communicate better. like in my own language i´m used to it ... a fault of mine for sure ...

    Bertram Jacobus: clinging, a pattern, gredd - such stuff this is ...

    Bertram Jacobus: greed*


    Play as Being 15 minute bell:

    Maxine Walden: Bert, sounds like you carry some of the same doubts a lot of us do

    FcSeeker Resident: in the first place they sure give growth to their feeling I think, but then they can bore people around too, sometimes even like the black hole

    Play as Being 15 minute bell: Thank you.

    Dash Earthboy: i try to change the shoe in my mouth regularly since I don't like the taste of my feet :)

    Wol Euler: :)

    Bertram Jacobus: who are "they" pls fc ? ...

    Dash Earthboy: ps - thanks Wol

    Maxine Walden: don't mean to diminish the pain you may feel, Bert, but just thinking of all the doubts we all carry to some extent

    FcSeeker Resident: bored people

    Wol Euler: yw

    FcSeeker Resident: I've met even such persons who are able to empty the whole roomfull of people being so bored

    Maxine Walden: really, Fc??

    Dash Earthboy: bored people got no reason, bored people got no reason, bored people got no reason to live :)

    Dash Earthboy: Randy Newman?

    Wol Euler: heheheh

    Maxine Walden: :)

    FcSeeker Resident: aha

    FcSeeker Resident: thinks them to be then only blind to see their reason

    Dash Earthboy: apologies to Randy Newman :)

    Maxine Walden: hmm, not sure I understood your comment, Fc

    FcSeeker Resident: I have the belief that all of the people has the reason to live

    Bertram Jacobus: with my own language i´m content with the communication ... but ty for all your very friendly comments (and sry - i had to write a message in between - that is why my response is so lagged)

    Maxine Walden: oh, yes, agree!

    Bertram Jacobus: and reasons ... because we are born ?

    Dash Earthboy: * thinks it's important to find purpose in one's life

    FcSeeker Resident: my belief is that each one has the reason as the need to be able to be born to live a human life

    Bertram Jacobus: i simply live

    FcSeeker Resident: hmm...or any form of life

    FcSeeker Resident: thinking also that will to do/act is the base reason no matter if chooses the life form of the coala

    FcSeeker Resident: (ain't the coala such animal that sleeps almost all the time =?)

    Bertram Jacobus: i don´t think, there is something like a reason or a goal or something similar. i don´t know about all such things. i only know : the best i can try is to live as well as possible, for the welfare of all beings. but that is not a "reason" or a "goal" or something similar to me. only the bit i found out, for me ...

    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Korel

    Bertram Jacobus: or said in one word : love.

    Dash Earthboy: * ponders "live as well as possible"

    FcSeeker Resident: baby panda feels will to create good to be the reason to you Bertram

    Maxine Walden: hi, korel

    Korel Laloix: heya

    Bertram Jacobus: or in four words : "always help, never harm" dash ...

    FcSeeker Resident: as well to be the goal...

    Dash Earthboy: is the process of digesting our food harmful to the food?

    Dash Earthboy: i'm thinking about us as consumers

    Dash Earthboy: a life without purpose can easily be full of consumption

    Wol Euler: personally I think whatever harm there may be in eating is far previous to digestion

    Dash Earthboy: agrees w/Wol

    FcSeeker Resident: can there be life without purpose ?

    Dash Earthboy: unless one eats live prey :)

    Maxine Walden: :)

    Korel Laloix: Congress?

    Men's AO: Touched.

    Men's AO: Touched.

    Maxine Walden: there is a problem with the 'live' in prey, once eaten...

    Dash Earthboy: I've heard some say Fc their only purpose is to live

    Bertram Jacobus: the tao "wu wei" is also without purpose so far as i "understand" it ...

    Dash Earthboy: pls say more about Congress Korel :)

    FcSeeker Resident: yet they tell that there IS the reason

    Korel Laloix: Life without purpose.

    Dash Earthboy: :) @ Korel

    FcSeeker Resident: 'to live' holds crazy much options of purpose

    Play as Being 15 minute bell:

    Dash Earthboy: agreed Fc

    FcSeeker Resident: but in case I understand Korel I agree for many congresses

    Dash Earthboy: part of my purpose is to help people say what they mean and mean what they say: to foster integrity

    Maxine Walden: are you speaking about political congresses, Korel, life withoutpurpose?

    FcSeeker Resident: just that one cannot know about the congress before hand if it shall be without any purpose or not

    Dash Earthboy: *sounded political to me :)

    Korel Laloix: The US Congress seems to lack a purpose... my attempt at humor.

    Maxine Walden: :), just trying to keep up with the conversation....:)

    Dash Earthboy: i got it Korel :)

    Korel Laloix: Not that the other branches of our government are less bad.

    FcSeeker Resident: sorry I understood the congress to be some meeting

    Maxine Walden: :)

    Dash Earthboy: it is Fc

    FcSeeker Resident: aha...

    Dash Earthboy: many meetings :)

    Dash Earthboy: maybe that's their purpose? :)

    FcSeeker Resident: to be 'not purposal' ?

    Wol Euler: I meet, therefore I am

    FcSeeker Resident: laughs

    Maxine Walden: :)

    Korel Laloix: I will have to remember that one.

    Dash Earthboy: :) @ Wol

    FcSeeker Resident: maybe they then are put to be off from something that they could make a mess being around ?

    FcSeeker Resident: so the purpose is the safetyness elsewhere

    Dash Earthboy: if only Fc..:)

    FcSeeker Resident: or can they do some harm when they meet each other ?

    Korel Laloix: Most of our government seems to do harm whenever they do anything...frowns

    Dash Earthboy: this is what happens when one talks politics :)

    Maxine Walden: What do you mean, Dash?

    Bertram Jacobus: i find politics interesting ...

    FcSeeker Resident: has not much ideas of politics

    Korel Laloix: Interesting is an interesting word.

    Bertram Jacobus: and i think, that politics is a chance

    Dash Earthboy: perhaps it could be argued that EVERYTHING is politics and religion

    Korel Laloix: And chocolate.

    FcSeeker Resident: just thinking of people to meet for own reasons or as commanded to do so for some others reasons

    Bertram Jacobus: yes. it can. a matter of perspective. agree

    Dash Earthboy: chocolate is still political Korel :)

    Dash Earthboy: and relgious :)

    Korel Laloix: And religious.... grins

    Bertram Jacobus: but i find it also sad that so only few good peple use the means of politics seemingly

    Dash Earthboy: snap :)

    Bertram Jacobus: but that can grow for sure

    Korel Laloix: But some that use it use it for ill.

    Dash Earthboy: how one uses any power one has defines their ethics :)

    FcSeeker Resident: well...'returning' to the base reason, will to do what ever that doing would be...many people takes political activity to be to do...

    Dash Earthboy: the way one actually lives one's life is one's religion :)

    Bertram Jacobus: there are so many different understandings of religion

    Dash Earthboy: many like to confuse the issue Bert for sure

    Dash Earthboy: that's politics :)

    Korel Laloix: Perhapse, but many people claim a religion and dont follow it, or claim no religon and have a relgion without a diety.

    Dash Earthboy: exactly Korel

    Dash Earthboy: see, that is NOT their true religion!

    Dash Earthboy: religion is a practice, not just what one says they believe

    Maxine Walden: (Might get myself into trouble here, but am going to offer an observation about our conversation so far...)

    Maxine Walden: Seems today some of us are dabbling in not taking much seriously; or seeing how little value/meaning others may seem to have eg Congress. Are we wondering what really matters to each of us?

    Wol Euler: good question

    Dash Earthboy: i'm curious what matters to those around me here :)

    Dash Earthboy: i am confident in my values

    Korel Laloix: Can you explain that a bit more please Maxine?

    Bertram Jacobus: sry - i have to leave - another meeting ... :-/

    Wol Euler: bye bert, take care

    Dash Earthboy: gtsy Bert...be well

    FcSeeker Resident: bye Bertram

    Maxine Walden: I have found that sometimes when I get a bit off kilter, tired, etc, I am not sure where I am, or what really matters to me at the moment...and then I can become a bit cynical, wondering what matters...that is a personal example

    Bertram Jacobus: ty all ! hi and bye zen ! :-)

    Play as Being 15 minute bell

    Dash Earthboy: hey Zen

    Maxine Walden: bye Bert

    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Zen

    Zen Arado: Hi All

    Maxine Walden: hi, Zen

    Korel Laloix: I think getting tired makes the world less sweet yes.

    Maxine Walden: :) agree, Korel

    Korel Laloix: But still not sure what you mean.... sorry, running out of English understanding.

    Wol Euler: hello zen

    Dash Earthboy: lots of medical science backs up the contention that sleep deprivation has negative emotional as well as physical effects

    Wol Euler nods to Maxine. It's much harder to preserve balance of spirit when one is off-kilter

    Zen Arado: yeh it alters our viewpoint

    Dash Earthboy: sleep dep is used to torture POWs

    Zen Arado: thngs get us donw more easily

    Korel Laloix: OH OK.. think I understand you now.

    Dash Earthboy: so what DOES matter to y'all?

    Maxine Walden: What I am wondering, Korel, is whether several of us might be feeling a bit distant from our well-being; in my experience when that occurs we tend to make become a little cynical, things look a bit darker or more bleak

    Wol Euler nods.

    Zen Arado: yes

    Maxine Walden: hmm, very central question perhaps

    Wol Euler: I've been thinking abnout Maxine's question, and cannot find a good answer

    Zen Arado: silly things sometimes

    Korel Laloix: Just thinking now about what my mood is.

    Dash Earthboy: still at the campground Korel?

    Korel Laloix: Yes.

    Korel Laloix: Lovely and hot here.

    Dash Earthboy: that may effect your mood :)

    Korel Laloix: A bit windy though.

    Korel Laloix: Very quiet.

    Zen Arado: hot and windy we don't get

    Zen Arado: wet and windy, cold and windy

    Wol Euler smiles.

    Zen Arado: or wet and cold and windy :)

    Korel Laloix: I love the weather here.

    Korel Laloix: At leat in the summer.

    Korel Laloix: Evidenlty it gets darn cold in the winter though.

    Dash Earthboy: desert is special :)

    Dash Earthboy: i have fond memories of Flagstaff and the canyon

    Dash Earthboy: also the canyon outside Salt lake City

    Zen Arado: it takes an expanse of hot desert to generate how winds I guess

    Korel Laloix: We are thinking heading up that way next.

    Dash Earthboy: Mohave & Painted deserts are special tho

    Maxine Walden: (basking in the descriptions of the deserts you are describing)

    Korel Laloix: We went though the Petrified Forest the day before we got here.

    Dash Earthboy: WOW

    Dash Earthboy: what a wonderful trip!

    Korel Laloix: Camped there on train.

    Dash Earthboy: bikes and all

    Korel Laloix: Has ben lovely.

    Zen Arado: gets cold at night though?

    Maxine Walden: (maybe the meaning right now is in the natural world, these descriptions...)

    Korel Laloix: Near freezing.

    Dash Earthboy: hey Bruce

    Zen Arado: remember being in desert in NW Queensland

    Dash Earthboy: what's that like Zen?

    Zen Arado: over 100 F during the day and near freezing at night

    Maxine Walden: the natural world is not always hospitable...

    Korel Laloix: Australia?

    Zen Arado: yes

    Korel Laloix: Would love to go there.

    Dash Earthboy: me too

    Dash Earthboy: speaking of going...i must be...ntsy'all

    Wol Euler: bye dash, take care

    Korel Laloix: ciao

    FcSeeker Resident: good night Dash

    Dash Earthboy: wishing you well

    Zen Arado: better get to Bert's meditation

    Zen Arado: bye all

    Wol Euler: oh, yes!

    Wol Euler: let's go

    Wol Euler: goodngiht all

    Maxine Walden: yes, bye everyone

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