2011.06.27 01:00 - The presence of appearance

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Wester Kiranov. The comments are by Wester Kiranov.

    I was joined in the pavillion by FcSeeker Resident, MaryMagdeleine Shilling and Moon Fargis. We mainly talked about the way people and things look in SL.

    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Wester
    Wester Kiranov: hello fcseeker
    Wester Kiranov: i don't think we have met before, but I suppose you have been here before?
    FcSeeker Resident: smiles
    FcSeeker Resident: I've been called even as the pet of PaB :)
    FcSeeker Resident: I've attended for a while to these meetings
    Wester Kiranov: you wouldn't have your own cushion if you hadn't, i suppose
    FcSeeker Resident: that could be so yes
    FcSeeker Resident: dont know for sure because I got it already in the second coming here
    FcSeeker Resident: Bruce is special with his will to help all I think
    Wester Kiranov: ok
    FcSeeker Resident: do you also meditate almost all the time ?
    Wester Kiranov: i actually find it quite hard to keep up a good meditation discipline. i have to keep reminding myself
    FcSeeker Resident: are you happy ?
    Wester Kiranov: reasonably so. are you?
    FcSeeker Resident: much of the time I'de say
    FcSeeker Resident: so...why you feel need to remind yourself if I may ask
    Wester Kiranov: (shhh)
    FcSeeker Resident: please forgive me
    Wester Kiranov: i do like these silent periods, so i try to respect them
    FcSeeker Resident: this 90 sec has rarely noticed in the meetings I've attended
    Wester Kiranov: why do i need to remind myself of meditating? because otherwise everything else gets in the way
    FcSeeker Resident: aha
    Wester Kiranov: actually, for me the most important thing about meditation is finding that sense of space, of openness
    FcSeeker Resident: I understand well m'lady
    FcSeeker Resident: I meditate almost all of the time I'de express
    FcSeeker Resident: the world has always been and is chaos
    FcSeeker Resident: the more the more you see around
    FcSeeker Resident: so we need to find our own space and peace of mind by ourself
    Wester Kiranov: hi marymagdeleine
    Wester Kiranov: have you been here before?
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Hi Wester
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: yes, I have
    FcSeeker Resident: Hello MaryMagdeleine
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Hi FC
    Wester Kiranov: have a seat
    FcSeeker Resident: do you know that you are completely nude ?
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Fc, yes, I know that
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: thank you
    FcSeeker Resident: interesting
    FcSeeker Resident: may I approach you with the thing there is in my mind because of something that happened in the meeting here that I attended last time ?
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Fc, sure
    Wester Kiranov: tell us please, fc
    FcSeeker Resident: I got the courrage to ask you MaryMagdeleine because of your special behvier concerning clothing
    FcSeeker Resident: as that happened that one of the persons present (as far as I understood) felt been hurted for what somebody said
    FcSeeker Resident: so I have thought much that is it the way here that one must handle with all minds present before speak
    FcSeeker Resident: in order not to hurt anybody even it's not intention
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: I agree, we should always think before we say things that could hurt others
    FcSeeker Resident: I dont mind you to be nude, but I can 'see' many people I've met here that would feel hurted for that...
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: oh, you mean people would be offended by my nudity
    FcSeeker Resident: I understand that for sure to be the base, but is it possible ...
    FcSeeker Resident: that I mean yes
    FcSeeker Resident: have you got some questionings for that here caused by somebody's felt hurted for that ?
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Well, I was tp'd by a friend yesterday to a coffee house and it upset people that I was nude, so i left; I won't go back
    FcSeeker Resident: so I understand that you was hurted yourself ???
    FcSeeker Resident: by the friend who didn't give the warning about what kind of people there was I mean
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: i nearly left here and didn't come back as the first time I was tp'd here, I ended up in the fountain, but couldn't move, as I was on my phone; people were upset with me being nude in the fountain
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Well, it was embarassing, but i wasn't hurt by it.
    FcSeeker Resident: aha
    FcSeeker Resident: to me to get embarassing is to be hurted
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: yeah, i guess it is; it was uncomforable.
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: But people here at PaB have grown to accept it; and other places I go, people don't even, for the most part, even bring it up.
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: 'Oh, that's just Mary; she's naked.'
    FcSeeker Resident: o.k.
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: ok, i clicked the wwrong button and accidentally blocked Wester; i'm on a new viewer
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: There, go him back
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: That was wierd, the name tag was still here, you weren't muted, but you vanished
    Wester Kiranov: i am actually amazed that there is so much conventionality in the way people look in SL. Sure, they may dress up elaborately or change into animals, but there asre so little avs that go naked, or anything like that. of course there are exceptions, but most keep within very tight bounds
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: yeah, I'm surprised at that too, Wester.
    Wester Kiranov: i myself can't be bothered to really change my looks, so i shouldn't talk really ;)
    FcSeeker Resident: the LL rules says that one may be nude only in certain areas I've been teached
    Wester Kiranov: but i have been thinking about things like the people in the sacred mirrors http://www.sacredmirrors.org
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: And you can tell people who are immersives by their reactions to nudity. They really think yoiu're nude and you really feel nude
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: That's right, Fc, PG areas you can't be nude in
    Wester Kiranov: and no people are old, or fat, or handicapped
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Actually Wester, i'v met old, fat and handicapped people here
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: One woman I know goes nude with a fat avi
    FcSeeker Resident: ah yes; I just was surprised because I am aware of the common reaction of people when somebody is nude and comparing to that meeting in which I got surprised of one person to feel hurted by the reason I dont know
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: One man I know is fat and balding, just like inRL
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: One person got hurted by people's reactions to being nude?
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Or by someone being nude?
    FcSeeker Resident: ah no
    FcSeeker Resident: I'm not sure what made her to feel so
    FcSeeker Resident: but she pointed out that somebody had said something that hurted her
    FcSeeker Resident: nobody else seemed to understand ...
    Moon Fargis: greetings everyone
    Wester Kiranov: hello moon
    Moon Fargis: hmm seems my inventory has been eaten up again
    Moon Fargis: brb :)
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Well, I'm not sure what she was getting at.
    Moon Fargis: re
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Hi Moon
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Fc was saying that a nude woman was here at a meeting and was hurt by people's reactions to her nudity, and since I'm nude, he wanted my opinion about it.

    All of a sudden we are sitting in a very flowery garden.

    Wester Kiranov: nice - now we can play hide and seek ;)
    Moon Fargis: :)
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: yeah, i'm nicely covered.
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: It tickles though. lol
    Moon Fargis: lol
    Moon Fargis: eh i forgot again how to switch from the tatami to grass
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Well, this is fine
    Wester Kiranov: can the last person to leave please remove the garden ;)
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Wester, lol
    Moon Fargis: ah no problem :)
    Moon Fargis: wb fc
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: wb, FC
    FcSeeker Resident: thank you
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: In your absence, Mooncovered me with tatami, so I'm no longer nude
    FcSeeker Resident: sorry I crashed
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: lol
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: We noticed, Fc
    Moon Fargis: how is everyone ?
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: I'm good, Moon
    FcSeeker Resident: still listening
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: How 'bout you?
    Moon Fargis: quiet ok
    Moon Fargis: just found some time to have a look at pab again :)
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: And turn it into a garden. :)
    Moon Fargis: like to mess around here :)
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: I can see that
    Moon Fargis: hmm but i reminded the flowers more "covering"
    Moon Fargis: lets see maybe this is the lite version
    Moon Fargis: ah still my items are missing in my inventory
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Well, I'd love to stay and see what you end up doing, and it is lovely, but it's past time for me to log.
    Moon Fargis: ok:)
    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Moon
    Wester Kiranov: bye mary
    FcSeeker Resident: sorry I didn't greet
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: bye Wester
    Moon Fargis: have a nice day
    FcSeeker Resident: buy Mary
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Nice meeting you
    Wester Kiranov: the same here
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: ou too Moon.
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Buy Fc
    FcSeeker Resident: was desturbed by my RL
    FcSeeker Resident: ah
    FcSeeker Resident: bye Wester

    Now the pavillion is covered in snow and ice.

    Moon Fargis: happy christmas :)
    FcSeeker Resident: lol
    Moon Fargis: but yes seems myo ther gardens didnt loaded sadly
    FcSeeker Resident: we just had the feast here in my RL
    FcSeeker Resident: sorry Wester; I thought you was to go also
    FcSeeker Resident: to Moon
    Wester Kiranov: i just said goodbye to mary because she went. but i will probably not stay very much longer
    Moon Fargis: getting to cold ?:)
    Moon Fargis: ah fc crashes much
    Wester Kiranov: you do have a nice set of gardens
    Moon Fargis: yes spend much time here past years
    Moon Fargis: but seems now my RL cals
    Wester Kiranov: nice talking to you then
    Moon Fargis: ;) have a great day
    FcSeeker Resident: so I understand that the meeting is ower came back just to say bye
    FcSeeker Resident: was nice to met you Wester
    Wester Kiranov: i suppose so
    Wester Kiranov: bye fc, see you around
    FcSeeker Resident: bye

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