2011.06.28 13:00 - A Moody Tuesday Afternoon Chat

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments and photo are by Bruce Mowbray (whose internet connection went down only 30 minutes into the session.)

    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Dash.
    Dash Earthboy: i was just listening to a few versions of Tuesday Afternoon on YouTube :)
    Dash Earthboy: did you see what happened yesterday afternoon here?
    Dash Earthboy: after the regular session time?
    Bruce Mowbray: nope -- what was that?
    Dash Earthboy: some guys came in and tried to be a very disruptive group
    Dash Earthboy: Wol logged it
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
    Dash Earthboy: hi Fc!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Fc! Good to see you again.
    FcSeeker Resident: hello beloved ones :)
    FcSeeker Resident: GTSY both too :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I think he talking to you, Dash.
    Dash Earthboy: Bruce, the group all had titles fancying themselves as horse aficionados
    FcSeeker Resident: I am to try to surprise you even I don't know for sure if its good idea what I try to do
    Dash Earthboy: yah it was kinda funny
    Dash Earthboy: but mostly they were just vulgar
    Bruce Mowbray: Wow --- so that entitled them to "horse around," huh?
    Dash Earthboy: yah I made that joke early on too :)
    Bruce Mowbray: What's that , Fc?
    Dash Earthboy: hey Arch!
    FcSeeker Resident: it seems not to work out
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Arch.
    FcSeeker Resident: ah
    FcSeeker Resident: there we go
    Dash Earthboy: good one Fc :)
    Dash Earthboy: way to cool us down :)
    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Archmage
    Bruce Mowbray: --- amazing the powers of panda.

    FcSeeker Resident: can you still find a pillow to sit ?
    FcSeeker Resident: I made a mistake so that I didn't notice to check that it was winter garden
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, ty for asking Fc
    FcSeeker Resident: when I bought it
    Bruce Mowbray: well, we have an amazing mixture of seasons, now.  I love diversity.
    Dash Earthboy: :)
    FcSeeker Resident: smiles
    Archmage Atlantis: I like winter gardens.....they show the structure of the plan of the garden
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, I like them when I look at them through a heated window, anyway
    Dash Earthboy: awwww
    FcSeeker Resident: so I feel that you all like...
    Dash Earthboy: yes Fc :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I was about to say, Arch, that underneath three feet of snow - the structure of the garden is just about all one CAN see.
    FcSeeker Resident: then all is very well :)))))
    Dash Earthboy: Tuesday Afternoon
    Archmage Atlantis: I am used to looking through three feet of layers........Some weather of late has been making the layers deeper, Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Mmmm. . . ?
    Archmage Atlantis: The floods in the Midwest, the fires in the west
    Archmage Atlantis: deeper layers
    Dash Earthboy: guess i'm thinking about my little garden at my farm in the mountains
    Dash Earthboy: under three feet of snow, nobody could tell it was a garden much less its structure
    Archmage Atlantis: Nice Dash
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, when I walked across North Dakota, I visited some of the reservoirs they are trying to use (or should say... USING) to try to control the flooding.
    Dash Earthboy: I had terraced it
    Archmage Atlantis: Why is Pema's image on the billboard across from me......Has he become Chairman Pema?
    Dash Earthboy: poor Minot :(
    Dash Earthboy: sry, lots of lag for me today
    Bruce Mowbray: Sunshine put up that board during the 3-year birthday party -- and never took down.
    Bruce Mowbray: I also have incredible lag, Dash.
    Dash Earthboy: dang
    Bruce Mowbray: In fact, I was thinking about logging off and back on to try to fix that.
    FcSeeker Resident: oh
    FcSeeker Resident: I again got call in RL so that I must go
    FcSeeker Resident: namaste all
    Dash Earthboy: bye Fc
    Archmage Atlantis: Never mind lag, I have visual breakup
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello, there
    Dash Earthboy: hey Korel
    Archmage Atlantis: There
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Korel.
    Korel Laloix: Heya
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Korel......good to see you
    Korel Laloix: What did I miss?
    Dash Earthboy: winter garden
    Bruce Mowbray: You missed the winter garden.
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, first the sun cooled, then the dinosaurs came...
    Bruce Mowbray: Looks like we had a quick thaw.
    Dash Earthboy: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hope there's no flooding.
    Korel Laloix: Oh I saw that... brontosaurus burgers are the best.
    Archmage Atlantis: Sorry, Airplane the movie skewed my brain
    Korel Laloix: And I like the thawing.
    Dash Earthboy: do they still have those bronto burgers out there?
    Korel Laloix: They do, but the tofu sort is becoming more popular.
    Archmage Atlantis: No bronto, but buffalo and beefalo are both really good
    Dash Earthboy: Arch I've been listening to Tuesday Afternoon on YouTube
    Korel Laloix: Range buffalo is good, the grain fed stuff is like eating grain fed beef.
    Archmage Atlantis: And tofu with soy sauce can be made into a nice dish also
    Dash Earthboy: *ponders tofu bronto burgers :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Moody Blues. . . ?
    Dash Earthboy: yes Bruce
    Archmage Atlantis: Backing up, .....Tues aft on U tube?
    Dash Earthboy: here's one
    Dash Earthboy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjBvPHqO9KU
    Bruce Mowbray: . . . now, how am I going to get that song out of my head...?
    Archmage Atlantis: k, give me a min to watch it
    Korel Laloix: I will save it for later.
    Dash Earthboy: we around Atlanta have a huge storm system coming at us
    Bruce Mowbray: I LOVE the song -- but it just keeps playing in my brain . . It's one of those "canon-type" songs (for me, anyway).
    Dash Earthboy: we're right in the middle of the front
    Dash Earthboy: sry Bruce :)
    Korel Laloix: canon type?
    Bruce Mowbray: Really? --- Seems like you've had an awful lot of those storms this year, Dash.
    Bruce Mowbray: you know -- like Pachelbwl's canon. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: mispelled -- omg.
    Dash Earthboy: i thought of it when I made Tue afternoon the subject of an email a few minutes ago
    Bruce Mowbray: Pachelbel. . .(?)
    Dash Earthboy: close enough for jazz Bruce :)
    Bruce Mowbray: The Moody Blues were/are a great group.
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Bruce Mowbray: yeah, thanks! -- ha ha ha
    Bruce Mowbray: Like -- up here they say, close enough for country.
    Korel Laloix: I am so lost in this conversation.
    Archmage Atlantis: understand.......the Moody Blues was the first lp (and only lp) my first boyfriend (if that is the term....we didn't have terms then) gave me
    Bruce Mowbray: This is a conversation that was scripted by the producers of LOST.
    Dash Earthboy: :)
    Korel Laloix: Looking up MOddy Blues.
    Bruce Mowbray: Did you see that TV series, Korel?
    Archmage Atlantis: moody, korel
    Bruce Mowbray: How about muddy blues?
    Dash Earthboy: the MODdy Blues Squad ? :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Muddy Waters.
    Bruce Mowbray: Muddy Rivers.
    Archmage Atlantis: River Phoenix
    Dash Earthboy: Muddy Johnny Rivers
    Archmage Atlantis: Justin Bever
    Korel Laloix: FOund them.... never heard of.
    Bruce Mowbray is checking his weather radar.
    Archmage Atlantis: The dang thing is that Justin Bever is past tense now
    Dash Earthboy: yah Korel, I got compared to Justin while singing some of the MB's stuff
    Dash Earthboy: Nights in White Satin is one of my favs
    Archmage Atlantis: I think that makes me a 5g grand
    Bruce Mowbray: Yeah, Justin is sooooo 2010.
    Korel Laloix: We are in Mexican Hat Utah... it is hot and windy.... go figure... lol
    Dash Earthboy: no not Justin Bever -- not me... :)
    Bruce Mowbray: OMG! YOU DO HAVE A STORM ON YOUR HANDS, Dash.
    Dash Earthboy: awww, sounds great Korel !!
    Korel Laloix: I do love a good electrical storm.
    Dash Earthboy: yah Bruce it's coming
    Archmage Atlantis: One of the great scandals of 1970 at Emory University was that a professor who was a friend of some of the band members in Moody Blues was using pot
    Archmage Atlantis: Things change
    Bruce Mowbray: OH Noooo! -- Not POT!!!!?!
    Dash Earthboy: a 2-qt pot?
    Dash Earthboy: what size was he using Arch?
    Korel Laloix: I love pot.... seeing my competition find it and fall apart has always been a rush.... lol
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, he was only using a lid
    Archmage Atlantis: but still
    Dash Earthboy: :)
    Korel Laloix: I grew up with my mom always stoned and I saw what it did to her, so I just don't get it.
    Dash Earthboy: hey Zaldaan
    Korel Laloix: Heya
    Dash Earthboy: glad you landed today :)
    Archmage Atlantis: That is a comment I would like to address, Korel, If you give me permission
    Korel Laloix: Which one?
    Dash Earthboy: *guess Bruce is trying to rid himself of the lag problem*

    Bruce's satellite internet connection went down suddenly -- and did not return for over an hour.  That's why he disappeared.

    Dash Earthboy: I'd like to hear your take on it Arch?
    Dash Earthboy: your take on Korel's comment
    Archmage Atlantis: The one about what substances that alter the mind did to your parent.
    Dash Earthboy: yah I'm in ACOA
    Archmage Atlantis: That is good Dash
    Korel Laloix: She just go really violent when on pot... not like the others... I learned early to stay away from her when she was smoking pot... those where the times I ended up in the emergency room.
    Dash Earthboy: ouch....like a mean drunk
    Korel Laloix: She was OK when drunk. It was easy to raid her purse or the fridge when she was drunk. But when she was on pot... I hid.
    Archmage Atlantis: Korel, I have never heard of anyone becoming violent......I believe you
    Dash Earthboy: arch, I saw mean drunks and mean potheads at the biker bars I played
    Korel Laloix: When she was popping pills as well, she was calm.
    Korel Laloix: But pot really set her off.
    Archmage Atlantis: Oy,.........each brain reacts differently
    Dash Earthboy: yah
    Archmage Atlantis: Did she love you, Korel.......or was she just a mean person?
    Dash Earthboy: what's good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander, nor the goslings :(
    Archmage Atlantis: Not fair for me to ask
    Korel Laloix: umm... well.. My mom and I hate each other.
    Korel Laloix: But I am working on that.
    Dash Earthboy: Korel, from personal experience I'd advise you not to share a bank account with her :(
    Archmage Atlantis: So, in accurate response to my question about whether she loved you, then no, she hated you
    Korel Laloix: lol... oh heck no.
    Korel Laloix: No past tense.
    Archmage Atlantis: I accept that
    Archmage Atlantis: And agree, not sharing of bank accounts
    Archmage Atlantis: nor rescue
    Korel Laloix: lol
    Korel Laloix: I am working on our relationship though.
    Korel Laloix: Working on the whole forgiveness thing.
    Korel Laloix: But very hard to do, considering the history.
    Archmage Atlantis: Is your mom working on it?
    Korel Laloix: I have no sign that she is.
    Archmage Atlantis: Then walk away
    Dash Earthboy: you'd advise walking away Arch?
    Korel Laloix: For my faith and my way of thinking, I need to work on it.
    Korel Laloix: Waling away is a temptation though.
    Dash Earthboy: i hear ya Korel
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes Dash......but my advice is my viewpoint
    Zaldaan Sirnah: are you old enough?
    Archmage Atlantis: I am not living in that situation
    Korel Laloix: I would rather achieve having a mom some time in the future than giving up now.
    Dash Earthboy: i really like your attitude Korel ! :)
    Zaldaan Sirnah: you could just leave and have a child so you can find how you treat your child similar to the way your mom treated you
    Archmage Atlantis: Your true (true in parenthesis) mom may not be the biological mom
    Dash Earthboy: not annoying at all :)
    Zaldaan Sirnah: or you could stay and have a child and let the association's offering, for your observation, heal
    Korel Laloix: I don't ever see using my womb... and I have to admit... one of the reasons is that I am afraid I could turn out to be like my mom.
    Dash Earthboy: you know Zaldaan, in my social work I found many women who did what you said
    Korel Laloix: But my only soft spot for my mother is that if she treated me like that, then she must have had a rough time of it when she was little as well.
    Zaldaan Sirnah: the special case is the later
    Zaldaan Sirnah: consider the way you see a grandparent treat their child, and how they treat their grandchild
    Archmage Atlantis: The nice thing about having been aware that I am gay since I was around 9 is the acceptance that there will be no children to rescue me.
    Dash Earthboy: rescue you, Arch?
    Korel Laloix: lol
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Dash
    Zaldaan Sirnah: gay people adopt
    Archmage Atlantis: Having a child to solve a problem
    Dash Earthboy: hey again Zon :)
    Zon Kwan: hi there
    Korel Laloix: There are other options though.... For Erin and I, she wants to have kids and bear them.
    Dash Earthboy: i've been hearing of GLBT's choosing surrogates and other things in addition to regular adoptions
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, I agree Korel
    Korel Laloix: I had a private chat with one of my brothers who agreed to "donate"  .. grins
    Dash Earthboy: cool Korel
    Korel Laloix: So if it comes to that, we have options.
    Archmage Atlantis: This is not about mechanics of producing a child......it is about love
    Korel Laloix: It does worry me.
    Dash Earthboy: that word "love" always makes me shudder
    Korel Laloix: One of the reasons I chose Psych as one of my majors... hopefully understanding will let me change the trend as it could effect me.
    Zon Kwan: what is love
    Dash Earthboy: at first, until I know what a person means by "love"
    Dash Earthboy: i like more accurate words
    Archmage Atlantis: I apologize for interjecting some of my belief system, however I believe there is a state that is love
    Dash Earthboy: can you describe that state Arch?
    Korel Laloix: Could you explain that a bit more Arch, please?
    Korel Laloix: lol
    Archmage Atlantis: I can try
    Dash Earthboy: snap
    Zaldaan Sirnah: I don't want to hear it!
    Dash Earthboy: i do!
    Zaldaan Sirnah: kidding :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Love is being with all that is.......all the people represented by av's here......even my cats represented here....
    Dash Earthboy: small words please
    Dash Earthboy: being with all that is?
    Archmage Atlantis: I reach out and touch you here through my typing
    Archmage Atlantis: And you accept my typing and type back to me
    Dash Earthboy: like the guys yesterday reached out and slapped me here?
    Dash Earthboy: i typed in "love" but i have a fairly specific definition of "love"
    Archmage Atlantis: Tell me, Dash
    Archmage Atlantis: are those the same
    Dash Earthboy: i defined "love" several decades ago as
    Dash Earthboy: "a pro-active concern for the well-being of the object of one's attention"
    Korel Laloix: Love is a strange word and it is abused a lot as well for personal gain.
    Archmage Atlantis: In September, I get to go to the university for free
    Korel Laloix: Getting things out of people.
    Dash Earthboy: for sure Korel
    Archmage Atlantis: I will be old enough
    Archmage Atlantis: Tell me what I should pass along
    Dash Earthboy: hate is a pro-active concern for the demise of the object of one's attention
    Zon Kwan: love should be used in the context of the purpose of the discussion
    Zon Kwan: it has so many meanings
    Archmage Atlantis: In the South, there is a tradition called "pass-along" plants
    Dash Earthboy: and then there's apathy which many people call "love"
    Archmage Atlantis: What plants should I pass along?
    Dash Earthboy: yes, Zon, that's what I ask for: more accurate words
    Dash Earthboy: less generic
    Zon Kwan: if we talk of sex love .. lets talk of sex
    Korel Laloix: The first time I had a guy tell me he loved me he then reached for my crotch... lol
    Dash Earthboy: less subject to interpretation
    Zon Kwan: if parent love .  . then parent love
    Dash Earthboy: you've had some bad experiences Korel
    Zon Kwan: if metaphysical love .. then that
    Korel Laloix: He did not get anywhere though...
    Dash Earthboy: well, Zon, I do believe my definition encompasses parental, metaphysical, etc.
    Archmage Atlantis: Korel's experiences are data for this analysis.
    Archmage Atlantis: Do not ignore data.
    Dash Earthboy: who brought the couch?
    Korel Laloix: My experiences are not the norm, even I recognize that.
    Zon Kwan: we all define in our own way words
    Dash Earthboy: good analysts need a couch :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Dash, not psychological analysts
    Korel Laloix: Bad ones probably need one as well.
    Dash Earthboy: ah, but Zon, if we can't find agreement on what the words mean, how can we have meaningful communication?
    Zon Kwan: the way we do everyday
    Archmage Atlantis: Indeed, Dash
    Archmage Atlantis: how can we?
    Zon Kwan: talking monologues
    Archmage Atlantis: I have a question
    Dash Earthboy: can you explain that concept, Zon?
    Zon Kwan: nope..it depends what we want to discuss
    Archmage Atlantis: Who is the earliest philosopher?
    Zon Kwan: concepts can be understood only in the context where they are talked about
    Dash Earthboy: i think it's some unknown pre-historic gu,y Arch :)
    Dash Earthboy: or something like that :)
    Dash Earthboy: is that a maxim Zon?
    Zon Kwan: yes
    Zon Kwan: definitely
    Zon Kwan: lol
    Archmage Atlantis: Are we all agreed on the meaning of "philosopher"?
    Dash Earthboy: wow, Bruce never made it back :(

    Bruce appreciates that Dash noticed his absence -- but the satellite was still down.

    Zon Kwan: no, we cannot agree on words
    Dash Earthboy: Arch, I'm happy to try
    Archmage Atlantis: I offended Bruce some time ago.....that he stayed as long as he did was surprising to me
    Archmage Atlantis: So, .....the meaning?
    Korel Laloix: Philosophers are overpaid, arrogant, close-minded weirdoes employed by universities to keep them off the streets... smiles
    Dash Earthboy: The mind earns by doing; the heart earns by trying.
    Dash Earthboy: one should earn their keep :)
    Korel Laloix: Or that describes my philosophy professors... smiles
    Zon Kwan: see
    Zon Kwan: we all have our own definitions
    Zon Kwan: and still we discuss
    Archmage Atlantis: Second question.....are philosophers and philosophy professors the same thing?
    Dash Earthboy: :)
    Zon Kwan: different words
    Zon Kwan: not same
    Dash Earthboy: *thinks those who can do; those who can't teach
    Korel Laloix: From my experience, people that claim to be philosophers aren't.
    Archmage Atlantis: Can any of you tell me if Albert Einstein was a womanizer?
    Dash Earthboy: how so, Korel?
    Korel Laloix: But at my very mature 24 years, I am of course an expert.... smiles
    Dash Earthboy: how so, Korel? :)
    Korel Laloix: I just have found that people that claim to be philosophers are very group think sort of people.
    Dash Earthboy: group think?
    Dash Earthboy: like social?
    Korel Laloix: Let me find the English.
    Dash Earthboy: community?
    Korel Laloix: Very set on saying what is popular -  not what makes sense.
    Dash Earthboy: Korel, do you mean "committee" ?
    Zon Kwan: a philosopher is one who thinks that map is the real terrain
    Korel Laloix: NO not committee.
    Korel Laloix: I committee will at least make a poor decision.
    Dash Earthboy: ah, I see Korel, you mean PC
    Zon Kwan: a mystic is one who sees only terrain but no maps
    Archmage Atlantis: I think Zon understood Korel
    Dash Earthboy: lots of PC going on these days
    Zaldaan Sirnah: if I sit with you and have a philosophical discussion about eating, am I not still hungry?
    Korel Laloix: The self-identified philosophers tend to only say what they hear.
    Dash Earthboy: Zaldaan, I also have a hungry mind :)
    Korel Laloix: But I am ready to admit that I might have just had seen really really really bad philosophy teachers.
    Archmage Atlantis: In the flat world map, there is an edge.......and at that edge, there is a legend.......and that legend says, here be monsters
    Dash Earthboy: Korel, bad teachers make a difference
    Zaldaan Sirnah: but how do you feed your mind, instead of regurgitating what's in it and re-eating it?
    Dash Earthboy: Arch, I'm running into many flat-world thinkers these days
    Zaldaan Sirnah: the problem is that I think much thought is this way
    Dash Earthboy: Arch, I'm speaking of those who cry for PEACE but offer no viable solutions to the problems causing the wars
    Zon Kwan: waves
    Korel Laloix: Heya
    Dash Earthboy: bye Zon?
    Archmage Atlantis: I need to go, still I must respond to Dash.......to complain about those who complain is to be who they are
    Dash Earthboy: Zaldaan, my mind is fed by your thoughts
    Archmage Atlantis: Namaste
    Dash Earthboy: and Arch's and Korel's
    Archmage Atlantis: and Blessings
    Dash Earthboy: bye Arch
    Korel Laloix: CiaoChat

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