2011.06.30 19:00 – Tick Tock Talk

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Paradise Tennant. The comments are by Paradise, Hokon, Manduvel, Lucinda, Eos, Stevenaia, harmoniasophia, Observerm, Zaldaan

    Hokon Cazalet: hi paradise =)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya hokon :) gtsy :)
    Hokon Cazalet: I like your dress tonight =)
    Paradise Tennant: thanks :)
    Paradise Tennant: how are you tonight :)
    Hokon Cazalet: how have you been?
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe I’m doing well, got a good nap
    Manduvel Petrovic: Sup.
    Hokon Cazalet: hi =)
    Manduvel Petrovic removes his beret.
    Manduvel Petrovic: What's goin' on?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles hello manduvel :)
    Paradise Tennant: have you been to pab before :)
    Manduvel Petrovic: Can't say I have. What happens here?
    Paradise Tennant: we talk of life :) four times a day :)
    Manduvel Petrovic: Neat. Mind if I take a seat with you?
    Hokon Cazalet: sure =)
    Paradise Tennant: we also record these conversations on a wiki page - please do :)
    Hokon Cazalet: hi lucinda
    Paradise Tennant: do you mind if your comments are included in the log manduvel :)
    Paradise Tennant: hiya lucinda :)
    Manduvel Petrovic: Nah, I don't care.
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi everyone:)
    Paradise Tennant: ok :)
    Manduvel Petrovic: Micromeditation. Neat concept.
    Paradise Tennant: smiles yes every idea .. every concept you can imagine at some time comes up in conversation here :)
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya eos :)
    Hokon Cazalet: hi eos
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi gang!
    Manduvel Petrovic: Any conversation taking place at the moment? Or shall we set a subject?
    Paradise Tennant: what would you like to talk about manduvel :)
    Manduvel Petrovic: Oh, I don't know. Any subject is fine by me.
    Manduvel Petrovic: Quantum perception of virtual reality's a fun one.
    Eos Amaterasu: (we were inside a 90 second pause)
    Paradise Tennant: sorry bell :)
    Eos Amaterasu: happy bell :)
    Paradise Tennant: quantum perception of virtual reality :)
    Hokon Cazalet makes a sacrifice to appease the Bell, praying for it's return
    Eos Amaterasu: does that mean the observer only happens when observed?
    Manduvel Petrovic: Something like that. I think of it as accepting virtual reality as your own reality.
    Eos Amaterasu: if I fall in the forest and no one observes, did I fall?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles finished your book today lucinda ..the 8 principles he lays out would make a great special topic series of talks :) the book was the spontaneous fulfillment of desire :) by Deepak chopra very much about understanding the nonlocal universe the quantum dimension of our virtual mind based reality
    Manduvel Petrovic: I guess it's a subtle distinction, given that all of this is happening in "reality" anyways. Haven't really fleshed out the idea of it.
    Eos Amaterasu: nice metaphor, "fleshed out" :-)
    Manduvel Petrovic: Heh, I suppose it fits.
    Eos Amaterasu: quantum perception of whatever reality, indeed
    Eos Amaterasu: but who is that perceiving quantum?
    Eos Amaterasu: next time I see a quantum, I'll walk up to it and say, "who are you?" :-)
    Manduvel Petrovic: I've known and met people who immerse themselves so fully in virtual realities, Second Life, Conspiracy theories, etc. That they lose sight of the real world.
    Lucinda Lavender: ah..
    Lucinda Lavender: Luci takes a deep breath
    Manduvel Petrovic: Real meaning the reality that people seem to agree on.
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and thinks the real world is not so real :) either really :)))
    Eos Amaterasu: we've spent a long time making it up
    Eos Amaterasu: (we've created time making it up)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Eos Amaterasu: we play the real world - maybe that's what Play as Being is about
    Eos Amaterasu: how'd she do that?
    Lucinda Lavender: Thinking about how there is accumulated perceived self that maybe is not the whole self...and that we get to a point that searching beyond the perceived self brings an expanded wholeness...
    Eos Amaterasu breathes out
    Lucinda Lavender: yes..phew
    Paradise Tennant: smiles yes it does :) a peek into the one thingeyness of the universe :) very quantum that one thingeyness :)
    Lucinda Lavender: and play is essential to its understanding
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe one-thingy-ness =P
    Manduvel Petrovic: Heh.
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Hokon Cazalet: brb
    Lucinda Lavender: after the day I had was thinking about which parts of self are dominant...the emotions, the thinking, the body, ...
    Lucinda Lavender: and how we create a view...through the lens of the dominant function...
    Lucinda Lavender: and that letting go of what is a dominant function can lead to a bigger view
    Paradise Tennant: smiles yes .. surrender :)
    Paradise Tennant: to what really is
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm... three exercises
    Lucinda Lavender: some people operate so much by what they see...others by what they hear...etc
    Eos Amaterasu: emotion
    Eos Amaterasu: thinking
    Eos Amaterasu: body
    Eos Amaterasu: maybe here in SL we let go of different ones differently
    Lucinda Lavender: yes perhaps...
    Lucinda Lavender: others by what seems morally right
    Eos Amaterasu: hello harmoniasophia
    harmoniasophia Scribe: hello
    harmoniasophia Scribe: am I interrupting something?
    Eos Amaterasu: please join... reality is already in progress :-)
    harmoniasophia Scribe: lol
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: the many armed reality:)
    Paradise Tennant: hiya harmoniasophia welcome
    Eos Amaterasu: actually that's a classic Buddhist triad, "body, speech, and mind" (body, emotions, mind)
    harmoniasophia Scribe: Thank you! :)
    harmoniasophia Scribe: hi Paradise, :)
    Eos Amaterasu: onigokko
    Eos Amaterasu: whups
    Eos Amaterasu: hah ha
    Lucinda Lavender: nodding:)
    Eos Amaterasu: stop
    Paradise Tennant: have you been to pab before harmonia :)
    harmoniasophia Scribe: once to say hello to Hokon, but no one was here, I don’t really know what you do
    Paradise Tennant: we talk about life :)
    Eos Amaterasu: and how we play at it
    harmoniasophia Scribe: nice choice of words "play" hehehe
    Paradise Tennant: these conversations are recorded on wiki page ..do you mind your comment being included
    Eos Amaterasu: and have pauses that open up
    harmoniasophia Scribe: no I don’t mind
    Eos Amaterasu: punctuations in reality
    Eos Amaterasu: every 15 minutes for 90 seconds at a time, during these sessions
    Lucinda Lavender: bye for the moment Paradise
    Eos Amaterasu: whups, Paradise poofed
    Eos Amaterasu: (that's what reality is like)
    Hokon Cazalet: back
    harmoniasophia Scribe: Hi Hokon
    Hokon Cazalet: ⓄⓂⒼ
    Lucinda Lavender: hear today ...gone tomorrow?
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Eos Amaterasu: every moment like that
    Eos Amaterasu: which maybe means it's always totally open :-)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes:)
    Eos Amaterasu: how would you do a 90 second pause emphasizing body, Luci?
    Lucinda Lavender: ah!...good question...perhaps check in with the body and its parts that are saying something at that moment
    Lucinda Lavender: ah!...good question...perhaps check in with the body and its parts that are saying something at that moment
    Hokon Cazalet: oh I’ve done that before =)
    Lucinda Lavender: sending some breath and attention to the parts that are unhappy or something
    Eos Amaterasu: I'm in early stages in that practice.... I'm generally one of the "lighter than air boys
    Eos Amaterasu: who could we do that here in the upcoming 90 seconds?
    Lucinda Lavender: good idea...
    Lucinda Lavender: by closing our eyes and checking in...
    Eos Amaterasu: *how
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, great idea
    Eos Amaterasu: wb, Paradise
    Paradise Tennant: oppps :)
    Lucinda Lavender: during the pause we were checking in with the body
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Eos Amaterasu: [19:29] Lucinda Lavender: after the day I had was thinking about which parts of self are dominant...the emotions, the thinking, the body, ... [19:30] Lucinda Lavender: and how we create a view...through the lens of the dominant function...
    Eos Amaterasu: Luci suggested closing eyes and checking in with the body
    Eos Amaterasu: during this break
    Eos Amaterasu: very RLy for me
    Paradise Tennant: smiles :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Rl body giving information then?
    Lucinda Lavender: mine too
    Eos Amaterasu: definitely part of my connection with reality
    Eos Amaterasu: without it my goose is cooked :-)
    Lucinda Lavender: full stomach empty somach
    Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya observerm :) nice to see you again .. would you like to sit with us :)
    Eos Amaterasu: anyone else comment on what they experienced during the previous 90 secs?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at Zaldaan :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I am beginning to think about checking in with the mental body and the emotional one
    Lucinda Lavender: beginning
    Hokon Cazalet: in what sense lucinda?
    Zaldaan Sirnah smiles with his body
    Lucinda Lavender: seems like the different ones were taking charge at different times today..
    Hokon Cazalet: oh ok =)
    Lucinda Lavender: some agendas bring the body to life while others bring the mind and emotion
    Paradise Tennant: smiles the emotional one I always find intriguing ... sounds like it was an eventful day :)
    Lucinda Lavender: not especially but some environments are more challenging emotionally...
    Lucinda Lavender: working with new people whose skills are different say
    Lucinda Lavender: just noticed that while cooking I get going kind of fast...and while working I like to go slow (preschool situation)
    Eos Amaterasu: Well, sleep also is about body, mind, emotion
    Lucinda Lavender: spend a lot of  excellent opportunity to watch...
    Hokon Cazalet: yup def true about sleep
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and dreams :) are the doorway to the big self :)
    Eos Amaterasu: good night, and thank you!
    Hokon Cazalet: I’ve found  out a lot while lucid dreaming myself
    Paradise Tennant: smiles namaste eos thank you :)
    Lucinda Lavender: good night Eos
    Paradise Tennant: smiles have you been dreaming luci ?
    Lucinda Lavender: yes kind of...many images this morning but cannot really remember
    Hokon Cazalet: aw
    Lucinda Lavender: anyone else?
    Hokon Cazalet: I haven’t remembered any of my dreams for the past few weeks, i suspect working overtime has done that
    Lucinda Lavender: nodding
    Paradise Tennant: yes you have to not be sleep deprived it seems to be able to hold on to those misty visions :)
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe yup
    Lucinda Lavender: have to be up early for tomorrow's session at 7...
    Hokon Cazalet: aw
    Lucinda Lavender: maybe I will have one then
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles :) sweet dreams luci :)
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks..
    Hokon Cazalet waves to lucinda
    Hokon Cazalet: in her awesome purple dress =)
    Lucinda Lavender: actually thinking I would go I have a movie to watch
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks.going to watch toy story 3
    Paradise Tennant: smiles lol
    Hokon Cazalet: oo cool
    Paradise Tennant: enjoy :(((
    Lucinda Lavender: must keep up with the children
    Lucinda Lavender: have a nice night all...
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Paradise Tennant: my brother is telling me of a dream where he saw our dad :) there was turmoil :) and dad was there to give him encouragement :)
    Paradise Tennant: my brother is telling me of a dream where he saw our dad :) there was turmoil :) and dad was there to give him encouragement :)
    Hokon Cazalet: aww
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Paradise Tennant: nice when you have a dream where there is a lasting feeling of love
    Hokon Cazalet: my family members symbolize things deeply in my dreams
    Hokon Cazalet: yup =)
    Paradise Tennant: my dad died in 2006 we both still miss him :)
    Paradise Tennant: listens :)
    Hokon Cazalet: ive had some of those, some super powerful
    Hokon Cazalet: awww
    Hokon Cazalet: well what they symbolize i dont wanna divulge (lol didnt think when i brought it up =P), but out of all the things in my dreams, they are deeply symbolic when they appear
    Hokon Cazalet: arent really even people, just forces
    Paradise Tennant: yes relationships are an interesting way for us to discouver ourselves on many levels
    Hokon Cazalet: which i guess makes sense, an infant would observe his parents for a while in that confused/mystical state, no discrete persons
    Hokon Cazalet: yup =)
    Hokon Cazalet: i agree
    Paradise Tennant: yes only the one ;)
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe yup
    Hokon Cazalet: and there's no "i am hungry!" but "hungry!!" - universe is hungry; universe feels loved, etc
    Paradise Tennant: yes !
    Hokon Cazalet: yup just one =)
    Hokon Cazalet: ive often thought that lack of distinction might be how our sense of identity gets molded by the enviroment, who we are is the enviroment for a while (and perhaps fissioning the world into dualisms of self/other, helps to isolate the constructed self from being tampered with further? - all speculation on my part, but i find it interesting how it might work) =)
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: very much so I think and it is a confused perspective
    Hokon Cazalet: i think so too, but if its true it would explain a lot of our behavoirs and thoughts
    Hokon Cazalet: and why fear oddly shows up in spiritual stuff (experience of the sublime) or any mystical experience
    Hokon Cazalet: fear of opening up the self to be redefined
    Paradise Tennant: we fear letting go .. the pull of attachment
    Hokon Cazalet: yeah
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe its funny, we still define ourselves by the enviroment even in our "normal" state, just its particular objects or titles
    Hokon Cazalet: its fragmented
    Paradise Tennant: yes and completely incorrect like trying to peg something universal into a tiny temporary postal code
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Paradise Tennant: I mean you are not your body ..not your job not your possessions ..not even your personality there is something infinitely bigger there :)
    Hokon Cazalet: i think so also
    Hokon Cazalet: ive actually been focusing on that lately, identity of the self, the absolute self
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Paradise Tennant: meditation helps I find ...
    Hokon Cazalet: yeah i need to do that more
    Paradise Tennant: being still .. lets go of the little and you get glmpses of the big
    Hokon Cazalet: yup
    Hokon Cazalet: and i strongly believe an absolute self does exist, and persist
    Paradise Tennant: hmm yes if there is that bigness there hard to understand how it could not be on some level eternal
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Paradise Tennant: which makes it kind of more relaxing in a way ..
    Paradise Tennant: no so serious
    Paradise Tennant: don't have to absolutely get it right today because maybe just maybe there is a whole load of tomorrows on some level :)
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe =)
    Hokon Cazalet: yeah you could definitely take it that way
    Hokon Cazalet: hi stevenaia
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello, you having a late night too?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya stev we are talking of whether or not we are eternal beings :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya stev we are talking of whether or not we are eternal beings :)
    Hokon Cazalet: brb need a drink
    stevenaia Michinaga: gello harminiasophia
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hello
    Hokon Cazalet: back
    stevenaia Michinaga: if we are eternal... where are all the other ones
    stevenaia Michinaga: are we reincarnated?
    stevenaia Michinaga: that kind of eternal?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: took me a long time to get my mind around reincarnations
    Paradise Tennant: took me a long time to get my mind around reincarnations
    Hokon Cazalet: i myself wasnt thinking of it in that way, hehe paradise
    stevenaia Michinaga: I belive we are eternal in the sence we live on in the memories of others
    Paradise Tennant: listens hokon how were you thinking of it ?
    Paradise Tennant: listens hokon how were you thinking of it ?
    Hokon Cazalet: eh its kinda weird lol
    Hokon Cazalet: an eternal changefulness, the "moment" is eternal even though moments repeat seemingly endlessly
    Hokon Cazalet: i guess eternal in the sense of not ever-lasting, but outside of time
    Paradise Tennant: wonders what it would be like beyond time
    stevenaia Michinaga: isn;t outside of time everlasting?
    Hokon Cazalet: there's a subtle difference, everlasting has a timeline still, just goes on forever
    Hokon Cazalet: being outside of time, there is no timeline
    Hokon Cazalet: (not in the normal sense anyway)
    Paradise Tennant: you know I suspect there is no time really .. that it is just an artificial filing system of our senses.. that helps sort data
    Hokon Cazalet: i dunno, its stuff im still exploring right now
    Hokon Cazalet: i think im weird, i see time as the most "real" thing =P
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: listens.
    Paradise Tennant: listens
    Hokon Cazalet: i realize though its a mistake to call it real in the normal sense, cuz past & future dont exist (Augustine, Confessions)
    Hokon Cazalet: so i gotta think about it some more =P i dunno how to explain it well atm
    Hokon Cazalet: but to be simple: i think time is where identity comes from, thus also the origin of Being (but i could be making a serious error there so, i need to say that catiously)
    Hokon Cazalet: i could be confusing the psychological with the ontological
    stevenaia Michinaga: take your time (no pun intended)
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Hokon Cazalet: i will =)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles ..
    stevenaia Michinaga: if you were to finish this... what would it be, Time is like a ....? (if there is a word or metaphor as the answer)
    Hokon Cazalet: your welcome bell =)
    Hokon Cazalet: hm
    Hokon Cazalet: time is a spindle of yarn =)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and we knit with it :)
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe yup
    stevenaia Michinaga: if we can jsut find the end
    Hokon Cazalet: ⓄⓂⒼ my metaphor is better than i thought
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe stevenaia
    Hokon Cazalet loves paradise's addition =)
    Paradise Tennant: lol or the kittens don't get in it :)
    Hokon Cazalet: kitties create multpiple universes =)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles quantum entanglements :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Hokon Cazalet: lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: so if time is yarn, where are we?
    Paradise Tennant: embroidered hearts on an unravelling sleeve :)
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    stevenaia Michinaga: better put on a shirt
    Hokon Cazalet: Yaaaaayyyyyyyy!
    Hokon Cazalet: wb harmonia
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    harmoniasophia Scribe: ty, :-
    Hokon Cazalet: harmonia is a friend of mine =) we discuss topics like time and identity alot =)
    harmoniasophia Scribe: ㋡
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice of you to join us
    Hokon Cazalet: she focuses on identity alot, me on time =)
    stevenaia Michinaga: what is identity?
    harmoniasophia Scribe: need to fly into the sky, nothing is rezzing brb
    Hokon Cazalet: eep! o.O
    stevenaia Michinaga: oh ok, bye
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: waves
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe thats a big question stevenaia, im glad you asked; often philosophers, the religious, mystics, scientists, will speak of identity, but never ask that question, the identity of identity
    Hokon Cazalet: i need to write that down =)
    stevenaia Michinaga: grins
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and hands hokon a pen
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Hokon Cazalet: =()
    Hokon Cazalet: =)*
    Paradise Tennant: always good to write things down ..a journal of thoughts ideas .. dreams .. is like a swatch book of our lives ... mind would have paw prints in many important places :)
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Hokon Cazalet: i keep a intellectual journal of my thoughts in a word document
    Hokon Cazalet: used to use pen/paper, but this is cleaner and can have fun font effects =P
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you ahve a blog?
    Hokon Cazalet: no
    Hokon Cazalet: ive thought of it before, but quite a bit of my writing is "esoteric" (i say this with no pride), somewhat due to the terminology, but also cuz the subject-matter gets rather specific
    Hokon Cazalet: though im able to chat here just fine . . .
    Paradise Tennant: smiles that might be a good idea hokon .. start .. spending a little time every day just writing things down
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Hokon Cazalet: yup =)
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, not to many places like this
    stevenaia Michinaga: people talk, people listen
    Paradise Tennant: smiles like a calm pool this place I find ..
    Paradise Tennant: smiles like a calm pool this place I find ..
    Hokon Cazalet: no, most either have a specific theme, or are hostile
    stevenaia Michinaga: check your arguments at the door
    Hokon Cazalet: I like this spot =) open and nice
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    stevenaia Michinaga: people who comes ask... where do you post your evening's topic....
    stevenaia Michinaga: I have to explain there is no topic except our explorations
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Hokon Cazalet: well its nice too, cuz we each get a turn
    Paradise Tennant: sigh well getting late here... I think I will have to say good night .. getting sleepy .. have the title .. thought "tick tock talk " :) has kind of a ring to it :)
    Hokon Cazalet: there are nights I wait a while to chat, so it gets going a direction others want
    Hokon Cazalet: awww
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe paradise, goodnighty =)
    stevenaia Michinaga: tough to explain out sessions can be busy or quiet
    Paradise Tennant: good nitghty :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Paradise :)
    harmoniasophia Scribe: nite Paradise
    harmoniasophia Scribe: nice to meet you
    Paradise Tennant: namaste my friends .. thank you for the company the conversation .. the time :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: some nights I can be here alone and have a great conversation with myself
    Hokon Cazalet: =)
    Hokon Cazalet: I do that a lot in my head =P
    Hokon Cazalet: I’ve done that in sl too though, chat in public chat to myself
    Hokon Cazalet: lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you talk into a cell phone so people don’t stare
    Hokon Cazalet: hehe
    Hokon Cazalet: lol maybe i should try that in rl, see if people figure it out
    stevenaia Michinaga: I think it’s bed time for me, night Hokon
    stevenaia Michinaga: Harmonia
    Hokon Cazalet: okies =)
    Hokon Cazalet: goodnight =)
    stevenaia Michinaga: night zaldaan
    stevenaia Michinaga: I see you sank into the pillow
    Zaldaan Sirnah: Goodnight steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)

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