2011.07.17 19:00 - Where Angels Fear to Tread

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The lack of comments is by Calvino Rabeni.

    Calvino Rabeni waves
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello MaryM
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling waves at Susan
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: hi Cal
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi, what's up ?
    iwandertoo Resident: exhausted
    iwandertoo Resident: happy to be here...little bit of peace
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Taking a break from work. In between lesson plans
    Calvino Rabeni: Greetings Zaldaan
    iwandertoo Resident: what do you teach?
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Writing and math; I've finished grading diagnostic tests for the writing and a lesson plan, need a break to switch gears to the math
    iwandertoo Resident: "switching gears"
    iwandertoo Resident: how different are they for you?
    Calvino Rabeni: Transitions can help the mind switch
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Not very, as I'm both a humanities and a math type, but yeah, need the trasition

    Zaldaan Sirnah: cALVINO :)
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Hi Zal
    Zaldaan Sirnah: HI
    Zaldaan Sirnah: hi
    Calvino Rabeni: What flavor math will it be?
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: oh, it's pre-algebra, with an emphasis on getting people to be able to use math practically. We spent the first week on number sense and rounding.
    iwandertoo Resident: that's about my level
    Calvino Rabeni: I think estimating is an interesting informal topic
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: We need to do it
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: In order to know if we're right when using a calculator, when we go grocery shopping, just to understand measurementns and orders of magnitudes
    Calvino Rabeni: Does that include things like 50% more and 33% less?
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Yes, definitely, Cal
    Zaldaan Sirnah: or the physicist who held up torn fragments of paper in his hand as thr group of physicists watched the nuclear bomb detonate, and from the distance at which the paper landed he estimated the strength of the blast
    Calvino Rabeni: Don't try that one at home
    Zaldaan Sirnah: or when you estimate the number of seats in an area and then estimate the amount in an entire auditorium
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Nice example, Zal
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Cal, lol
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, estimating the size of a crowd is a good one
    Zaldaan Sirnah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwmHoWfwHiw
    Calvino Rabeni: What a boon to DIY
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: DIY?
    Calvino Rabeni: Do It Yourself
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: oh, of course
    Calvino Rabeni: I guess that includes the makers and the hackers
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: heh, reminds me of the tenager who built a nuclear reactor for his science project.
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Using ordinary stuff found around the house or in landfills
    Calvino Rabeni: There was a book on that guy
    Calvino Rabeni: I think I read it some time I was traveling ... don't own it .. or maybe it was a long magazine article
    Calvino Rabeni: He collected LOTS of those radioactive parts of smoke detectors, I think
    Calvino Rabeni: And became pretty unpopular with the feds
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: yeah, he realized he had a problem when radiation levels were skyroceting
    Calvino Rabeni: yeah
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: well, he put the reactor in the trunk of his car, the light was out and he was stopped by the cops who asked him what was in the truck
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: He said, 'a nuclear reactor.' They heard 'bomb,' and freaked
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: So the feds weere all over him
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Hi Paradise
    Calvino Rabeni: Sounds like you read it too

    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Para :)
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: But he broke no laws; it isn't illegal to have your own nuclear reactor.
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya cal susan mary zaldaan :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Some things are hard to search for on the web ... famous names in DIY (hall of fame) for example
    Calvino Rabeni: But that guy ought to have been included
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Well, it's all in the keywords. Yeah, he should have been. lol
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: One way to get off the grid, I suppose. lol
    Calvino Rabeni: There was a Gurdjieff story about how he opened a shop that would repair ANYTHING.
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Even a broken heart?
    Calvino Rabeni: Well .. that wasn't in the list of examples
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: heh, I'm always doing that
    Calvino Rabeni: I knew a guy who decided to emulate that story
    Calvino Rabeni: he had a universal repair service
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: I was standing in line one time in the Bay Area, and a street performer said he'd act out any topic. So I shouted out "the dialectical manifestation of the Absolute Spirit in History". He decided on the midget on a car instead. lol
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: That's somewhat pythonesque
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: He said it was easier. lol
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Yes, I guess it was; but I hadn't watched Monty Python when I did that.
    Calvino Rabeni: I wonder what you'd have gotten if you requested "Argument"
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Well, he could emulate two people arguing, I would guess
    Calvino Rabeni: I think you're right
    Calvino Rabeni: A universal dramatist
    Calvino Rabeni: There are a lot of subspecialties .. I came across a guy who specialized in Insults
    Calvino Rabeni: I think his name was Cedric the Insulter
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Yo sure it wasn't Don Rickles?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, he was member of a British line or guild or something

    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: The actors there are in guilds that date back to at least Shakespeare's time. And they're very clannish
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes quite ... a lot of tradecraft to protect
    Calvino Rabeni: Another interesting past subculture would be the Fools Guilds in Europe
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: That's the one that all the Heads of State belong to, right?
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: No, wait, that's the Idiot's Guild.
    Calvino Rabeni: No
    Calvino Rabeni: They give real Idiots a bad name
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: yes, they do
    Calvino Rabeni: "Accordingly, every fools' guild has carnival masks which are handed down from generation to generation. The masks, also known as "larven" or "schemmen", are usually intricately carved from wood.The roots of the Swabian-Alemannic carnival go as far back as the Middle Ages."
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Interesting. So are they the heirs to the Court Jesters?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: They are the ones who were allowed to speak Truth
    Calvino Rabeni: (and keep their heads)
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: yes, something that we need today too.
    Calvino Rabeni: They could challenge any orthodoxy
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: I suppose we have it with the Colman Report.
    Calvino Rabeni: Run down the street denying the existence of God
    Calvino Rabeni: Hm, yes perhaps Colbert (I think you mean?) is an equivalent
    Paradise Tennant: truth is essential to the well being of the whole and ultimately .. we feel it on every level I think there is a reasonance ..
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: yeah, Colbert
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: I think I need to make dinner soon. lol
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: In fact, I better do that
    Calvino Rabeni: Bon Apetit, MaryMag
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: Thanks for helping me relax between tasks
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: ty, Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: YW :)
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: tc Susan, Paradise, Zal
    Paradise Tennant: smiels enjoy your evening mary :)
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling: oh, I will; i enjoy eating, doing lesson plans and watching movies; and that's my evening in a nutshell
    MaryMagdeleine Shilling waves at Susan
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmm Paradise .. an interesting thought
    Paradise Tennant: maybe truth was never designed to be spoken of in words ..maybe it is more .. readily expressed in notes :)
    Paradise Tennant: pr pictures
    Calvino Rabeni: Art
    Paradise Tennant: yes art as truth :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Good evening, Cinda :)
    Lucinda Lavender: good evening every one:)
    Lucinda Lavender: nice to see you all:)

    Zaldaan Sirnah: nice to breathe you
    Lucinda Lavender: sorry to arrive so late but I have been learning how to post and ad on craigslist:)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya lucinda gtsy :)) as always :)
    iwandertoo Resident: waves
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks yes!!
    Lucinda Lavender: so sorry to be late:)
    Calvino Rabeni: How is craigslist? I heard it was looking good compared to EBay
    Lucinda Lavender: ah...not sure really but my 50's GE double oven is up there now:)
    Lucinda Lavender: for free:)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles they made great appliances in the 50s and the 40s :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I had one from that era ... it had rows of pushbuttons with colored lights inside and rounded shoulders
    Paradise Tennant: yes liked the rounded ness of them more friendly somehow :)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...quite something...
    Calvino Rabeni: It was high modernism
    Calvino Rabeni: they were streamlined like jets
    iwandertoo Resident: waves quietly
    Calvino Rabeni: TC Susan
    Lucinda Lavender: what sorts of topics have you had tonight?
    Calvino Rabeni: Fools Guilds, and their function in the truth ecology
    Calvino Rabeni: Mathematics lessons
    Lucinda Lavender: never heard of a fools guild...
    Lucinda Lavender: or truth ecology
    Calvino Rabeni: I haven't found a good reference yet .. here's one with hints
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.canberra.diplo.de/Vertretung/canberra/en/06/Feste__Traditionen__Lebenstil/seite__crazy__days__witches__demons.html
    Calvino Rabeni: I was in a cafe and there was a Poet I got talking to about it ..
    Calvino Rabeni: We started a little speculation, maybe the Colbert Report is a current equivalent
    Calvino Rabeni: Actor's guilds often specialized and were quite clannish
    Calvino Rabeni: The interesting thing is the dream-like social function they have
    Lucinda Lavender: yes..very!
    Calvino Rabeni: bringing things to the public awareness, from somewhere over the edge
    Calvino Rabeni: Sometimes standup comics do that
    Lucinda Lavender: have heard of such
    Calvino Rabeni: I know of a theater company that acts out stories provided by the audience ... actually I think they called it "confessions"
    Calvino Rabeni: that is, stories from the edge
    Calvino Rabeni: Good evening Roger
    Paradise Tennant: hiya roger :)
    Roger Ormenthal: Hi everyone. I'm just a little late today.
    Calvino Rabeni: Oh and another topic from earlier was Do-It-Yourself
    Lucinda Lavender: hi roger
    Calvino Rabeni: The "out there" example was some kid who built a nuciear reactor
    Calvino Rabeni: but I think, for city people, making soap, wine, cheese, raising chickens qualifies as useful but unpopular skills

    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Paradise Tennant: hmm only the chickens :)
    Paradise Tennant: soap wine and cheese are all good :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Distilling has never had a good climate in the USA, but I guess it does in other places
    Calvino Rabeni: There are 35 or so edible vegetable species growing nearby in an urban pocket farm
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Calvino Rabeni: I liked other countries where there were carts that came down the streets, bringing the stores to you
    Calvino Rabeni: vegetables, hardware, specialty food, etc.
    Calvino Rabeni: it may come to that if people give up their automobiles as we move out of a cheap-oil technology period
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah yes today I did see something unusual
    Lucinda Lavender: what was that?
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.google.com/search?q=pileated+woodpecker
    Calvino Rabeni: It was on the utility pole in the front of the house
    Lucinda Lavender: nice
    Calvino Rabeni: those are pretty big, about a 30 inch wingspan
    Calvino Rabeni: there were two of them
    Lucinda Lavender: wow!
    Lucinda Lavender: good question Zaldaan
    Zaldaan Sirnah wonders about Lucinda
    Lucinda Lavender: Luci wonders about what what you are wondering...
    Calvino Rabeni wonders about Zaldan wondering about Lucinda
    Zaldaan Sirnah stops wondering and wonders what happens to the chain
    Lucinda Lavender: think it is just floating somewhere
    Zaldaan Sirnah: what isn't?
    Lucinda Lavender: I think I am trying to do more than one thing at once...view craigslist discuss a dream and ponder the conversation here
    Lucinda Lavender: I may be stretched methinks
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.buckeyeappliance.com/photos/stoves/inShowroom/1046.jpg
    Lucinda Lavender: now that is a beautiful stove
    Paradise Tennant: that is beautiful :)
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Here's another cutie
    Calvino Rabeni: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3495/3262678630_116c2b01c1.jpg
    Zaldaan Sirnah: our current stove doesn't go low enough to just keep water right below/at boiling
    Lucinda Lavender: wow..that was cute too Cal...too hot hthen Zaldaan?
    Zaldaan Sirnah: yeah.. boils out after not too long
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Zaldaan Sirnah: Plated woodpecker
    Calvino Rabeni wonders if you ever dream of a haunted storeroom, Cinda
    Lucinda Lavender: no...not that I know of...
    Lucinda Lavender: keep losing tract of the recent dreams...
    Zaldaan Sirnah: woodpeckers eat the parasite worms in the trees don't they?
    Lucinda Lavender: but dreaming for sure
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes they are good for the bug control
    Zaldaan Sirnah: invasive surgery

    Lucinda Lavender: I feel the richness of birds and stoves and dreams...
    Calvino Rabeni: Nice of you to point that out :)
    Lucinda Lavender: animal, mineral but no vegetable...
    Lucinda Lavender: unless dreams are vegetable
    Calvino Rabeni: The stove was too hot; the woodpecker ate but was not eaten;
    Calvino Rabeni: O we did have the vegetable garden too
    Lucinda Lavender: ah good
    Paradise Tennant: can smell the rosemary cooking in the dog's soup :) that is vegetable
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, to live a Dog's Life
    Lucinda Lavender: the gog's soup?
    Lucinda Lavender: dog's?
    Paradise Tennant: he had a nice day we went to the beach .. and he swam .. surfed big waves dug .. barked at stone plopping fetched a stick out of the water a gazillion times
    Lucinda Lavender: nice
    Paradise Tennant: it was doggie paradise :)
    Lucinda Lavender: have not heard of dog soup...but it sounds interesting especially with rosemary
    Calvino Rabeni: Sort of like I fetched a web page out of the waters of the internet a gazllion times.. didn't seem to get tired of it .. but a more intelligent being observing it might find it sort of clever
    Paradise Tennant: rosemary makes everything good :)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Calvino Rabeni: I need to row my boat gently down the stream
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: good to see you all
    Paradise Tennant: good nite cal :)
    Paradise Tennant: thank you :)
    Calvino Rabeni: take care
    Lucinda Lavender: nite cal
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Santoshima
    Paradise Tennant: hmm I should do the same thing :) I am afraid .. late here :)
    Santoshima Resident: sorry, ithought the meeting was over already
    Santoshima Resident: came to sit
    Lucinda Lavender: bye Paradise
    Lucinda Lavender: we are still here some of us
    Lucinda Lavender: always nice to sit
    Paradise Tennant: smiles waves good nite all ;)
    Santoshima Resident: yes, but not ok to bump in like this
    Santoshima Resident: good night
    Lucinda Lavender: it is ok:)
    Lucinda Lavender: things are transitioning I think
    Santoshima Resident: thanks

    Roger Ormenthal: By all - must go. Goodnight.
    Lucinda Lavender: Bye Roger...
    Lucinda Lavender: hope the evening is nice for you too
    Santoshima Resident: good night lucinda
    Lucinda Lavender: I have to sort through the many people interested in the stove!
    Lucinda Lavender: craigslist:)
    Lucinda Lavender: what a surprise...
    Lucinda Lavender: may you all have sweet dreams...
    Santoshima Resident: & you


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