2011.07.24 19:00 - Would you like a little neuroscience with that?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.

    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Archmage, seems like a long time
    Archmage Atlantis: Albert E sort a said all time is relative, me thinks :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Oh really ...
    Archmage Atlantis: All that typing, and all I get is "oh really" *g*
    Calvino Rabeni: sounds like a generalized abstraction, but people made as much of it back then a century or so ago as they do of quantum now
    Archmage Atlantis: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Back then it was ... "we are all disconnected"
    Calvino Rabeni: Now it's the opposite :)
    Calvino Rabeni: eh? Fashion
    Archmage Atlantis: Cannot it be both?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yup, we've got the sweet spot right in the middle
    Archmage Atlantis: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: the Goldilocks bed for the Goldilocks body on the Goldilocks planet
    Calvino Rabeni: How cool is that?
    Archmage Atlantis: Did my philosophy for today.......Golilocks will have to have porridge
    Calvino Rabeni: Earned it :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Going to dance
    Calvino Rabeni: Shake a leg
    Archmage Atlantis: Yep, Alice did to
    Archmage Atlantis: the msuhrooms, not the porridge
    Archmage Atlantis: :(
    Calvino Rabeni: Do you think that's a strange story?
    Archmage Atlantis: Life is strange....but heh that's a song
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and namaste
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    Calvino Rabeni observes observerm
    Calvino Rabeni: Good evening, RHia

    Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Cal
    Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Paradise
    Calvino Rabeni: Paradise ... hello
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Santo
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Santoshima
    Santoshima Resident: hello
    Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya cal . rhi santos :)
    Rhiannon Dragoone: I don't see Santo
    Santoshima Resident: over here
    Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, there she is
    Santoshima Resident: hello
    Rhiannon Dragoone: I'm slow to rez on Firestorm.
    Paradise Tennant: nods ..how are we tonight ?
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Good; tired; been real busy today in and out of SL
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Lesson plans, dog combing, taking care of Rosalyn; cooking, and in SL, geting my newsletter and advance announcements out.
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Not to mention getting banned and unbanned from Thothica.
    Paradise Tennant: how is rosalyn doing rhi ?
    Calvino Rabeni: All in a day's work, Rhiannon :)
    Rhiannon Dragoone: I had to give her a bth today; she's still very tired.
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Cal, yes, it is
    Calvino Rabeni: I found this great summary article on "The Neuroscience of Emotions"
    Calvino Rabeni: http://bilder.buecher.de/zusatz/20/20891/20891625_lese_1.pdf
    Calvino Rabeni: not too short, not too long
    Calvino Rabeni: I thought, just right
    Paradise Tennant: hmm looks interesting cal

    Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Rhi, cal, Paradise Santoshima
    Santoshima Resident: greetings stevenaia
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi :)
    milakel Resident: hi :)
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Mila!
    milakel Resident: ah, para and stev are dressed for an occasion :)
    Santoshima Resident: hi Mila
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Bleu
    milakel Resident: bleu :)
    Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
    milakel Resident: flower girl
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Mila
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Bleu
    milakel Resident: now is it hot or what?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at bleu and stev both looking lovely :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice talking to my austrailian friends where it is winter at times like this
    Calvino Rabeni: sure is here!
    Bleu Oleander: ty Paradise
    milakel Resident: stev, or sun who enjoys winter as well :)
    Bleu Oleander: not often that east coast US is hotter than Arizona
    milakel Resident: we might all wear bikini for the session
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles, I just had mine on for a dance
    milakel Resident: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: but that was a different kind of group
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Not often than anything is hotter than Arizona.
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Even Mercury has places not as hot as Arizona.
    Paradise Tennant: and sit in bathtubs full of cold water :)
    Bleu Oleander: haha
    milakel Resident: where is eliza and her picnic arrangement when you need one :)
    Calvino Rabeni: i heard yesterday Iowa was the hottest place on earth
    milakel Resident: hmm
    stevenaia Michinaga: politically?
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: it is a hotbed of climate change deniers
    Calvino Rabeni: (except Iowans who aren't)
    milakel Resident: what climate change? :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Anyone have a topic in mind, or a story?
    milakel Resident: how come we sometimes don't see things in plain sight? e.g. a bottle of ketchup in a fridge
    milakel Resident: you stare at it and think to yourself: damn, where's the ketchup :)
    Bleu Oleander: 'cause there isn't one in my fridge

    milakel Resident: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&v=jvKUqmEiA3E&annotation_id=annotation_965582
    stevenaia Michinaga: Awareness test
    Calvino Rabeni: I think that's called a negative hallucination
    Calvino Rabeni: Hypnotists can make things disappear
    Calvino Rabeni: Since perception goes through lots of layers and filters
    Calvino Rabeni: And constructs can be projected as well as received
    milakel Resident: stev, ah yes, a nice experiment :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Today someone hid her keys from herself and didn't know where they were
    stevenaia Michinaga: I'm sure there's ketchup in there somewhee too
    Rhiannon Dragoone: We only see what we expect to see.
    Rhiannon Dragoone: And because of that, we can make things seem to disappear.
    Calvino Rabeni: Yesterday a man asked "where are my glasses" ... they were in his hand, in his visual field
    Rhiannon Dragoone: A lot of tricks to make thing seem invisible.
    milakel Resident: cal, i guess she succeeded then :)
    Calvino Rabeni: yeah without awareness
    Rhiannon Dragoone: heh, Cal, Rosalyn was looking for her glasses and they were on her head, and one of my students was looking for his, and he was wearing them.
    Calvino Rabeni: still, its hard to tickle oneself
    Calvino Rabeni: for some reason it doesn't work
    milakel Resident: ha! :)
    milakel Resident: i think it happened to me too with the glasses
    milakel Resident: it's tempting to think that maybe there's a parallel world going on around us that we just don't see :)
    milakel Resident: archy :)
    Bleu Oleander: night all :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: but they have our glasses
    Calvino Rabeni: there is, it is this one
    Paradise Tennant: smiles likes the idea of magic :)
    Bleu Oleander: bye bye
    Paradise Tennant: hiya arch :)
    milakel Resident: flower girl poofs
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Archmage
    Paradise Tennant: nitenite bleu
    stevenaia Michinaga: looks for a brown snake
    milakel Resident: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: forgot he was riding along....apologize
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    milakel Resident: flying dragons :)
    Archmage Atlantis: The Freds need to go to bed also
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Arch
    Rhiannon Dragoone: The Freds?
    stevenaia Michinaga: freds the snake?
    Archmage Atlantis: Hard to catch ttho
    milakel Resident: rhia, archy's flying creatures :)
    Santoshima Resident: hello arch, koya, and young dragons
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Santo
    Calvino Rabeni: Here's a crossover - neuroscience and magic - http://www.amazon.com/Sleights-Mind-Neuroscience-Everyday-Deceptions/dp/0805092811
    Santoshima Resident: please you can call me san
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes
    Rhiannon Dragoone: nite bleu
    milakel Resident: what's the latest from the neuroscience of consciousness? how is it formed in the brain?
    milakel Resident: cal, thank you. nice book.
    Calvino Rabeni: many complexly interacting systems ...only a small sliver is conscious
    Calvino Rabeni: the article I cited earlier is good
    Calvino Rabeni: http://bilder.buecher.de/zusatz/20/20891/20891625_lese_1.pdf

    Calvino Rabeni: emotions involve almost every area
    Archmage Atlantis: I wonder how one defines conscious
    Calvino Rabeni: that's not easy
    Archmage Atlantis: That the parts of a being interact with the environment, could that not be called "conscious"?
    Calvino Rabeni: I think it's a concept which has a limited remaining lifespan
    milakel Resident: ah, have to go
    milakel Resident: thank you all
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Mila
    milakel Resident: stay conscious :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye Milakel :)
    Santoshima Resident: bye Mila
    Calvino Rabeni: thanks for stopping by :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Yup, concious and rational.....I can do that
    Calvino Rabeni: The part of us that pretends to know what's going on and that it does things that make sense
    Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps that IS a definition of consciousness
    Calvino Rabeni: the part of what's happening that has the notion, however unfounded, that it knows what's going on and does things
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems to be a place where communications dwells
    Archmage Atlantis: accptable
    Calvino Rabeni: Most communication is unconscious
    stevenaia Michinaga: what is unconciousness
    Calvino Rabeni: sometimes blind people communicate with body language, that they recognize people
    Calvino Rabeni: or people with a brain damage that prevents conscious awareness of who people are .. but their body says "hello my familiar friend"
    Archmage Atlantis: i've not see you in that dress for a long time Stevnia
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Archmage Atlantis: I like it
    stevenaia Michinaga: it has a life of its own
    Paradise Tennant: reading another book book by daniel tammet cal you would like it and delves into this topic very deeply ... embrace the wide sky
    Paradise Tennant: it does stev .. looks smashing :)
    Santoshima Resident: really lovely
    Santoshima Resident: may I add a pdf paper possibly of interest?
    Santoshima Resident: i don't know how to do that
    Rhiannon Dragoone: It's your signature dress, Steve; it captures the real you--alive
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.amazon.com/Embracing-Wide-Sky-Across-Horizons/dp/1416569693
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes San, what is it?
    Calvino Rabeni: I'll look it up if you like?
    Santoshima Resident: titled Perceptual Form of Life
    Santoshima Resident: christine skarda
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, there's also awareness and awareness; like when your two sides of the brain are out of coordination and your aware before you are aware--ann explanation of de ja vu
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.lindaheuman.com/christineskarda/christine-skarda-book.htm
    Santoshima Resident: ty
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks San
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmm Rhia, sounds like "lag" in the brain
    Santoshima Resident: good night all
    stevenaia Michinaga: like SL
    Calvino Rabeni: Night, San
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye San
    Archmage Atlantis: An explanation of how the mechanics of deja vu happen, ture
    Paradise Tennant: good nite san
    Paradise Tennant: be well :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Mechanics and meaning difer
    Calvino Rabeni: Neuroscience seems like the current Rosetta stone ... connecting lots of different disciplines
    Archmage Atlantis: Some say meaning is meaningless
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes Arch, for others too much is meaningful
    Calvino Rabeni: The Goldilocks theory of meaningfulness :)
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Cal, right, it has to be "just right."
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Arch if meaning is meaningless, the so is meaninglessness
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Archmage Atlantis: I still like the "Friends" episode where Phybe explodes Ross's science

    Archmage Atlantis: Tho lately, I am on to Torchwood, Miracle Day
    Calvino Rabeni: What happened?
    Archmage Atlantis: What happened to what, Cal?
    Calvino Rabeni: In that story you're into?
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh
    Archmage Atlantis: One moment
    Archmage Atlantis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXr2kF0zEgI
    Archmage Atlantis: Ross and Phoebe argue about evolution
    Calvino Rabeni: sounds interesting?
    Archmage Atlantis: It is an old debate :)
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Has it ever evolved?
    Archmage Atlantis: Rhi and I have had it many times
    Rhiannon Dragoone: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: You know your lines?
    stevenaia Michinaga: dreamtime awaits , night all
    stevenaia Michinaga: thx arch
    Calvino Rabeni: dream well :)
    Archmage Atlantis: My favorite line is that "all of your scientist friends used to believe that the atom was the smallest thing,.....then you split it out, and all this other crap came out" :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles nite nite stev
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, i have to make dinner, so I'd better boogie too
    Archmage Atlantis: nite Stevenaia
    Paradise Tennant: good line arch :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Namaste. Dise
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite rhi :)
    Archmage Atlantis: *g*
    Archmage Atlantis: Cal, do you wish to stay?
    Archmage Atlantis: I will do so
    Calvino Rabeni: I fear I'll need to leave pretty soon
    Paradise Tennant: blinks sleepily . think I should trundle :) late and I have busy week coming :) thank you for the company
    Archmage Atlantis: k....just remember to believe
    Rhiannon Dragoone: nite, Paradise
    Calvino Rabeni: YW Paradise :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and Namaste
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite all :)
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Nite Cal, Arch

    Rhiannon Dragoone: Blessings!
    Calvino Rabeni: Say hi to canineinstein :)
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    Paradise Tennant: smiles namaste :) and a woof :)
    Calvino Rabeni: :)

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