2011.10.16 19:00 - All Our Faces Are Belong to Us

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.

    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Zaldaan :)
    Zaldaan Sirnah: Hi :)
    oO0Oo Resident: strings of moment?
    oO0Oo Resident: "ke, when you can't stop laughing and can't breathe?"
    oO0Oo Resident giggles
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Cal !
    Zaldaan Sirnah: G'day... I was in another window doing work.
    Calvino Rabeni: Good evening, Sam and Zal :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Aph !
    Calvino Rabeni: Good evening
    Aphrodite Macbain: hello Sam. Hi Calvino, Zaldaan
    Calvino Rabeni: How did the retreat review session go? Sorry I missed that
    Aphrodite Macbain: How does the world look in blue colours
    Aphrodite Macbain: You will have to ask Sam
    Aphrodite Macbain: he was in the audience

    oO0Oo Resident: Ya the session was fun, convivial, informative, bonding, creative, elucidating, revealing, inspiring, well attended, heartening!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Nice adjectives
    Calvino Rabeni: heh
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: I had fun pulling it together and presenting it with my fellow retreaters
    Calvino Rabeni: Did you all do some prep beforehand?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes.. we met at my place and figured out who would say what
    Calvino Rabeni: That sounds enjoyable
    Aphrodite Macbain: and storm got a host of images from us from which he chose some to show
    oO0Oo Resident: like a.... jello bowl mixed with many flavors cubed.. colourful, yet also translucent and giggly, and connected
    Zaldaan Sirnah: afk family
    Calvino Rabeni: hmm quivery and shiny
    Aphrodite Macbain: nice Sam
    Aphrodite Macbain: we got less wiggly and more relaxed as we got to know each other better
    Aphrodite Macbain: and felt confident presenting it
    Calvino Rabeni: that's so funny ... jello reminds me of the spirit of high modernism, light and colorful
    Calvino Rabeni nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: we mentioned meeting you in Seattle at
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes like a mondrian or a delaunay
    oO0Oo Resident: Would have loved to hear more about the dinner in Seattle :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: It was fun. It was great to see Cal - you must have found us somewhat overwhelming!
    Calvino Rabeni: Not overwhelming, but you did seem to have gotten into your group groove
    Calvino Rabeni: A nice view of the water; on a cloudless day, at sunset
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes it was a beautiful evening too
    Aphrodite Macbain: Nice cause you rode your bike
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, it was a long exciting ride during rush hour to get downtown
    Calvino Rabeni: And going back in the dark .. I experienced the core of the city in a different way than usual
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes, we had been through quite a few emotional moments when w developed a lot of trust with each other, sharing things that were deep within usp
    Aphrodite Macbain: I can imagine. Is it a difficult city to drive in?
    Calvino Rabeni: I got a photo of sunset reflected off a building off a building of mirrored panes

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    Aphrodite Macbain: nice.
    Calvino Rabeni: Hard to drive? Hmm, well it's a city you need to memorize the routes in
    Calvino Rabeni: or you can get really bogged down
    Aphrodite Macbain: we got some amazing sunset pictures in a more rural environment - setting over Mt Rainier
    Aphrodite Macbain: All those freeways
    Calvino Rabeni: It's got some points of getting snarled, and also some freer flowing backways
    Calvino Rabeni: I think of them like acupuncture meridians, but for a city
    Aphrodite Macbain: We followed Maxine and her husband so it wasn't too bad - they know their way around
    Calvino Rabeni: I suppose it takes years to learn the ways to get through it effectively
    Calvino Rabeni: or, maybe, scenically
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- and then they build something new...
    Calvino Rabeni: I often take routes that are enjoyable rather than fast
    Calvino Rabeni: It's broken up by lots of hills and waterways
    Aphrodite Macbain: I found it interesting that most of us looked like our avis!
    Calvino Rabeni: A ship canal between north and south, crossed by four bridges
    Aphrodite Macbain: Totally unexpected.
    Calvino Rabeni: Looked like avis eh?
    Calvino Rabeni: I suppose so yes :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, I needed a map to fully understand what was happening
    Aphrodite Macbain: Luci for sure, and to a great extent Storm a, and maxine and Riddle
    Calvino Rabeni: I suppose, its sort of easier to navigate now that Google Maps is smart about route finding ... although actually I sort of liked the "not knowing" days too
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- figuring it out on your own.
    Aphrodite Macbain: except when you're in a rush
    Calvino Rabeni: Or having a bit of mystery during the journey
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: but perhaps the maps enable "being in a rush" to happen more often
    Aphrodite Macbain: of relying on them too much maybe?

    Aphrodite Macbain: wb Zaldaan
    Calvino Rabeni: I'd like it if Google Maps had a button for "most scenic route" in addition to car, walking, and "no freeway"
    Aphrodite Macbain: hehe
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps you'll be able to program it that way in the future
    Calvino Rabeni: I suppose so .. things we can rely on that are convenient, change our ways of doing things
    Aphrodite Macbain: trouble is someone's idea of a most scenic route may not be another's
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes it might be possible, ... based on social information of what people li9ke
    Calvino Rabeni: because they do have different likes
    Aphrodite Macbain: that would be an interesting study. Google would make a bundle
    Calvino Rabeni: I like waterside, boats, bridges over ravines (for example)
    Aphrodite Macbain: put in youir ID card where all the info on you is recorded and updated...
    Aphrodite Macbain: beginning to sound scary
    Calvino Rabeni: someone else might like coffee shops and a florist
    Aphrodite Macbain: that would be me
    Calvino Rabeni: I hope that will change
    Calvino Rabeni: Google now has a feature called "Data Liberation" in which you can get all your personal information
    Calvino Rabeni: Although I don't know if it actually can "take it back" from the system.
    Aphrodite Macbain: who else can?
    Calvino Rabeni: Or transfer it somewhere, but it's a start
    Aphrodite Macbain: makes me nervous
    Aphrodite Macbain: too much ID theft happening
    Calvino Rabeni: I don't know .. I think it was partly in response to people feeling that Facebook owned them
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- I haven't tried Google + yet
    Calvino Rabeni: There was a campaign called - "All your Face are belong to US!"
    Aphrodite Macbain: who started the campaign?
    Calvino Rabeni: I have tried Google+ ... I find it more appealing (or less apalling) than Facebook
    Aphrodite Macbain: Sam, aren't you concerned about having centralized information like that?
    oO0Oo Resident: Yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: aappealing is nicer. I keep getting updates from facebook which is irritating
    Aphrodite Macbain listens to Sam
    oO0Oo Resident: hehe
    Calvino Rabeni: As I recall, it was a blogosphere thing ... something like this: http://bub.blicio.us/facebook-all-your-face-are-belong-to-us/
    oO0Oo Resident: Sam (0) is listening
    Aphrodite Macbain: over
    oO0Oo Resident: Para :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and waves all round ..hiya zaldaan, O Cal .. Aph :) listening :)
    Zaldaan Sirnah: hi
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Paradise, how goes it?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Interesting - thanks. Hi Paradise
    Aphrodite Macbain notices Zaldaan has dropped his horns
    Aphrodite Macbain: How was your Sunday Para?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles quiet .. :) cleaning chores laundry :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: “People want full ownership and control of their information so they can turn off access to it at any time. At the same time, people also want to be able to bring the information others have shared with them—like email addresses, phone numbers, photos and so on—to other services and grant those services access to those people’s information. These two positions are at odds with each other. There is no system today that enables me to share my email address with you and then simultaneously lets me control who you share it with and also lets you control what services you share it with.”
    Aphrodite Macbain: Zuckerberg
    oO0Oo Resident: mhmm

    Calvino Rabeni: What I hope is, information starts to get stored in a public data "grid" that each person or entity can control, or withdraw their information from. Not proprietary systems that tempt you and own you
    Archmage Atlantis:

    I dreamed a dream in time gone by,
    When hope was high and life, worth living.
    I dreamed that love would never die,
    I dreamed that God would be forgiving.
    Then I was young and unafraid,
    And dreams were made and used and wasted.
    There was no ransom to be paid,
    No song unsung, no wine, untasted.

    oO0Oo Resident: ArchKoyaHikari :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Archmage
    Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya arch :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello pabbers
    Archmage Atlantis: We dream a dream
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Thank you Arch for that!
    Calvino Rabeni: That's a great line, "no wine, untasted"
    Archmage Atlantis: There is cleansing power
    Archmage Atlantis: Just stoppig bei to say hello
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and Namaste
    Aphrodite Macbain: namaste
    Aphrodite Macbain: Arch
    Paradise Tennant: smiles namaste arch :)
    oO0Oo Resident: namaste Arch :)
    oO0Oo Resident: man from Atlantis
    Calvino Rabeni: The "Occupy" movement seems to be growing, what do you think?
    Calvino Rabeni: Do they have it in your area?
    oO0Oo Resident: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes huge in Vancouver, but completely peaceful
    Aphrodite Macbain: Thousands marched
    Aphrodite Macbain: I am watching with great interest but I sincerelty doubt that anything will change
    Calvino Rabeni: I was reading, lots of people would like to take their money out of big corporate financial systems like Bank of America and put it in local credit unions .. they have service just as good often, and for cheaper, as they are not-for-profit
    Calvino Rabeni: better "corporate citizens"
    Aphrodite Macbain: That means actually doing something
    Calvino Rabeni: One of the problems is the bill-pay systems, which took a lot of work to set up, and people got dependent and sort of locked in
    Aphrodite Macbain: Many people dont have money in investments
    Calvino Rabeni: Well it's not necessarily a huge thing to put your checkign and savings cash in a local business
    Calvino Rabeni: and use their credit / debit cards
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, big corporaate or bureaurocratic systems take a long tiome to change
    Calvino Rabeni: I agree, changing investments is a lot more work
    Calvino Rabeni: but for the everyday financial services it is doable
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have so much lionked together -mastercard, savings, checing , LOC
    oO0Oo Resident: brb
    Aphrodite Macbain: that it would be time consuming and fiddly to re-do. But I totally agree with doing it
    Aphrodite Macbain: entropy
    Calvino Rabeni: Yeah, I checked this out today, probably under the influence of having read the paper about the Occupy movement ... I could actually save money as well as distance from the "greed" system
    Aphrodite Macbain: by going with a credit union?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: have u done the math?
    Calvino Rabeni: There should be some self-help groups on Meetup or something to help people "get around to it"
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hmm
    Calvino Rabeni: Math, no, I checked the rates and fees though for the services
    Aphrodite Macbain: much lower?
    Calvino Rabeni: maybe there could be a place where people pledge about small life improving acts - "I'll do it if you do it"
    Calvino Rabeni: Well, all the services I need are free
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- the power of the group
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: and the limits are lower for the added value services
    oO0Oo Resident: back
    Calvino Rabeni: wb
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'll put some serious thought into this. Thanks Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: YW
    Calvino Rabeni: I think part of entropy is just an emotional feeling of "this is how it is" ?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Now it's time to eat dinner.
    Aphrodite Macbain: See you tomorrow Cal and maybe 0(sam)0
    Calvino Rabeni: Enjoy !
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! everyone
    oO0Oo Resident: Night Aph
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite aph sweet dreams

    Calvino Rabeni: The word "magic" has come up sometimes in the past in this time slot ..
    Paradise Tennant: magic is just science we don't understand yet :)
    oO0Oo Resident: not only the word ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: I found a blog post I like that says something about this... and also reminds me of the idea behind Play as Being:

    "Magic returns, I think, in a new way to the post-conventional self. There is an openness to discovering that association-based, similarity-based, and thematically-linked items may indeed be cut from the same cloth in a manner not recognized by any sort of scientific reasoning heretofore explored. There is a desire to investigate the esoteric connections in new ways, substantiated by empirical evidence instead of mere tradition … and a willingness to follow the signs wherever they may lead, no matter how unexpected."  (from blog Awake, Alive and Aware)

    Calvino Rabeni: It seems to be about play, being, and also investigation
    Calvino Rabeni: I mean, inquiry
    oO0Oo Resident: oh yes! Nicely articulated
    Paradise Tennant: into the unknown
    Paradise Tennant: in fact even what we know .. often we do not know that well :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Or maybe, the known, but it is off the usual maps
    Calvino Rabeni: People find out they know things that the standard map does not have marked on it
    Paradise Tennant: what do you define as magic cal ?
    Calvino Rabeni: I like the "same cloth" metaphor in that quote
    Calvino Rabeni: Oh, about magic? I suppose I think that refers to things that work without people understanding why or being able to see how
    Calvino Rabeni: So I think that matches your definition
    Paradise Tennant: smiles hmm magic is whatever takes your breath away :) I suspect .. a myriad of the wonderous
    Calvino Rabeni: Cold water ?
    Paradise Tennant: lol yep
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: Or a Cornucopia!
    Paradise Tennant: sometimes as a kid I would find it completely amazing to have a body :) would look at my toes and just be blown away remember that feeling
    oO0Oo Resident: magic... seeing with new eyes... open to all possibilities
    Calvino Rabeni: I remember being interested in flows and turbulence, the chaotic and changing patterns inside flows .. how patterns would be the same but never quite
    Calvino Rabeni: It's interesting, the poet Hopkins saw god in that type of thing, rather than in images of static perfection like the Circle
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.potw.org/archive/potw162.html
    Paradise Tennant: really we presume sameness but there is never a moment that is exactly the same as the last :)
    Calvino Rabeni: mm yes
    Calvino Rabeni: although our nervous system is evolved to see changes more than sameness ... a slight flicker in the corner of the eye .. maybe we presume sameness because we don't perceive the changes in the background
    Calvino Rabeni: many times I sat on a hillside, thinking I was seeing a fixed scene, only gradually perceiving that everything was moving, changing

    Paradise Tennant: was reading recently how everything that is matter becomes so through spin so to speak ... even though things look solid they are in vortex of motion :) smiles like that a lot :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Oh yes everything is nothing,  but spin
    Calvino Rabeni needs to attend to things .. would you excuse me please?
    Paradise Tennant: ok nite nite cal :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Good night!
    oO0Oo Resident: Night Cal
    oO0Oo Resident: ty
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at o .. do you have song to go with that :)
    oO0Oo Resident: hmmmm
    oO0Oo Resident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5HXT0bn7QY
    Paradise Tennant: well that is a perfect choice :)
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Paradise Tennant: just a great song writer :)
    Paradise Tennant: always felt she really had her eyes , ears and heart open :)
    oO0Oo Resident: agreed
    oO0Oo Resident: still does
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    oO0Oo Resident: she's a treasure
    Paradise Tennant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2NEU6Xf7lM
    Paradise Tennant: smlles this would fit the bill too :)
    oO0Oo Resident: clicks
    Paradise Tennant: kind of interdimensional harmony
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    oO0Oo Resident: those sweet faces
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: yes they are taken by the music ..
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: ty
    oO0Oo Resident: magical
    Paradise Tennant: smiles an old favourite :)
    Paradise Tennant: like the harmony .. that is kind of magical when voices can combine like that

    Paradise Tennant: smiles 11.30 pm .. I am still on european time so quite likely will wake up a 5 am :) going to say thank you and good nite :)
    oO0Oo Resident: :) ntsy Para rest well.
    Paradise Tennant: thanks O Zaldaan :) nite nite :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Bon Nui
    oO0Oo Resident: Kodama awaken www.dailymotion.com/video/x24d7y_kodama-awaken_shortfilms
    oO0Oo Resident waves to Zaldaan :)

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