2011.10.18 07:00 - formal standing Hi gesture rules

    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.


    Riddle Sideways: Oh, Hi oO
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Riddle :)

    Riddle Sideways: it is amazing how far away one can be
    Riddle Sideways: still sitting here
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Yak, nice entrance
    oO0Oo Resident: hi Yaku

    Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning you two
    Riddle Sideways: with the camera, I can take a trip and never leave this pillow
    Riddle Sideways: every thing I zoom in on has something else in the distance to go look at :)
    Riddle Sideways: one thing after another and soon are miles away
    Riddle Sideways: have been doing that with google Earth too
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and it´s awesome that the museum is also close :)
    Riddle Sideways: yes, sitting right here and looking in the museum :)
    Riddle Sideways: do our Avs get that far away look?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you can increase the drawdistance to over 1000m, well not the best idea for me internetconnection but it´s possible
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya :)
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Eliza, nice entrance (popped up from the ground)
    Eliza Madrigal: blooming, haha
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Riddle :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sam :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Eliza
    oO0Oo Resident: :)

    Eliza Madrigal just came for the sim restart
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    Riddle Sideways: ah, from which sim?
    Riddle Sideways: oh,
    Riddle Sideways: reading correctly is a prob today
    Eliza Madrigal: sorry to interrupt with my slightly off target humor, Ya
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Riddle Sideways: typos are when typed wrongly
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Riddle Sideways: are reados when reading wrongly?

    Riddle Sideways: (not sure of topic) if in RL the mind's eye goes wandering
    Riddle Sideways: drifting from site to sight
    Riddle Sideways: and in SL we can sit on pillow
    Riddle Sideways: while camera eye roams
    Riddle Sideways: from site to sight
    Riddle Sideways: ah well, thought there might have been something there
    Eliza Madrigal: Krishnamurti next to me is saying the same thing
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey xirana
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Xir
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Xirana :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hello everyone:)
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Xirana :)

    Xirana Oximoxi: hehe..you don't follow the rules ...about hi, hellos ... :))
    Monarchy Republic: hi peepers :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Monarchy :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Monarchy :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello monarchy
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Mon
    Xirana Oximoxi: hello Monarchy:)

    Monarchy Republic: its a yummy day ..and the appitite persists ;)
    Riddle Sideways: can't remember Monarchy, have you been here before?
    Eliza Madrigal: I guess we could try out different greeting guidelines but hm... greeting only new visitors wouldn't seem right either...hmm
         Re: Retreaters' suggestions of somehow cutting back the log "Hi, Hey, Hello, Hi, Ho, Yo, etc. etc."
    Xirana Oximoxi: I've seen the pictures of the retreat..and I'm still amazed by the wonderful environment where you have been!!!
    Monarchy Republic: pan hug ...no illegal aliens :)
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Mon
    Riddle Sideways: did the new "rules" of hellos take affect?
    oO0Oo Resident: is there one?
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: in the 'suggestion' stages so far... so will go through discussion process :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I think it would be like herding wild cats
    Riddle Sideways: no new rules
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: and you are adamant about that
    Riddle Sideways: "I'm not"

         Running joke at retreat was the reply to any sentence in the form "All people are _____" was "I'm not" (from Monty Phython's Life of Brian - "We are all individuals.  I'm not")
    oO0Oo Resident: oops capslock
    Riddle Sideways: :) was good in caps
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Monarchy Republic: but theres optional catnip for crazy felines ;)
    Xirana Oximoxi: I agree tha maybe if we are in discussion an interesting topic it may be disturbing... but sometimes for me is also a break to read slowly what has been said:)
    Riddle Sideways: sory had kitty in teh way
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: in theme sessions it is nice to be a bit more contained
    oO0Oo Resident: agree there Xirana, it does help the pace for reading
    Eliza Madrigal: 'hello and goodbye' pauses
    Xirana Oximoxi: hehe yes! :)
    Riddle Sideways: yes, it many times is a problem to have tooo many "hi, hello, hey, HI..."
    Riddle Sideways: but would be impolite not to say Hi
    Riddle Sideways: to your best buds
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: wouldn't want to automate that
    Xirana Oximoxi: but it also makes me feel strange for exemple to go without saying goodbye:)
    Monarchy Republic: thing is ..as with most relating ..its chemistry ..certain groups of people are more likely to create dialogue ...some groups have less cohesion so monologues are more likely and less understanding ...sorry im a bit late on the converstaion so grasping at the context ?
    Xirana Oximoxi: and I know sometimes it interrumpts the talking
    oO0Oo Resident: best buds bloom best by being hied and byed
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey boxy :)

    Eliza Madrigal: great point Monarchy, there are many different types of conversation taking place in a single session
    oO0Oo Resident: :) Boxy
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Boxy :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Boxy!! :)

    Monarchy Republic: we could be all street ? ..everybody just say 'Yo' ..cuts down keystrokes and keeps the servers cool :P
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Boxy
    Monarchy Republic: Yo Boxy :)

    Eliza Madrigal: Bruce's 'wave' is a nice way around it too
    Alfred Kelberry: yo?
    Monarchy Republic: m experimenting Boxy ..happy Tuesday :)
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe we could stand up, like when someone new comes to the table
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Riddle Sideways: and bow
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you really stand up in that case ?
    Eliza Madrigal: often, sure
    Xirana Oximoxi: in Spain to stand up is very very formal
    Xirana Oximoxi: between family and friends we do not oft:)
    Eliza Madrigal: wouldn't do so for breakfast necessarily... but for a 'dinner'...
    Eliza Madrigal: just if someone was late...
    Eliza Madrigal: funny :)
    Riddle Sideways: in America, we stand when it is time to go get more food from kitchen
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Xirana Oximoxi: anyway..standing up also can interrupt the conversation:))
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    Xirana Oximoxi: haha
    Monarchy Republic: well the best way to make an entrance when you are late ..s too lag into the sim walking on everyone and walk into the powerpoint screen :P
    Alfred Kelberry: or you crawl if unable to stand
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaa
    Eliza Madrigal: I prefer trying to sit on each person's shoulders one at a time
    Monarchy Republic: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: hehe
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Riddle Sideways: falling from the roof onto somebody
    Eliza Madrigal: that's always fun
    Alfred Kelberry: i think it's rather common pattern during formal events when men stand up if a woman joins or leaves a table
    oO0Oo Resident: balance between good guidelines and heavy handed rules is delicate one...
    Riddle Sideways: too bad the fountain does not splash out as you fall in
    oO0Oo Resident: consideration helps
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    oO0Oo Resident: what all is affected in a net of thingss
    Eliza Madrigal: the main concern seems to be 'sidetracking' more than greetings?
    Riddle Sideways: at least maybe during theme sessions we should keep hellos and questions until end
    Eliza Madrigal nods... so theme sessions are out 'formal'
    Eliza Madrigal: *our
    Alfred Kelberry: *purrs*
    Riddle Sideways: and every 15min we are formal for 90sec :)))
    Alfred Kelberry: or informal
    Xirana Oximoxi: 'theme sessions' you mean the ones like maxine's or when Pema talked about time?
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Alfred Kelberry: when there's a big topic
    Eliza Madrigal: those are ongoing theme sessions of a sort
    Riddle Sideways: one presenter
    Xirana Oximoxi: ok, I agree its better to be more quiet then
    Riddle Sideways: or circle discussions
    Riddle Sideways: taking turns
    Eliza Madrigal: we haven't had as many lately.. but really any guardians can set aside time for particular topics, nods
    Alfred Kelberry: *senses observer*
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi observem
    Eliza Madrigal waves to observrm
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Observem, gtsy

    Monarchy Republic: what if you said nothing ,but wiggled your fingers ,,70% f communication is body language :s
    Alfred Kelberry: not too comfy in sl :)
    Riddle Sideways: need to learn the gestures in SL
    Riddle Sideways: they are hard to control
    Alfred Kelberry: we're still looking for the circle hand shake animation :)
    Eliza Madrigal: thats just it... we're sort of compensating for lack of natural gestures
    Monarchy Republic: theres a congo anim ..:)
    Eliza Madrigal: here is a link to some former theme sessions btw:
    Eliza Madrigal: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Classes_and_Sessions/Theme_Sessions
    Riddle Sideways: a silent tip-o-the-hat when someone enters would be good, but can't do it here

         We all start trying things in the Gestures box
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: arms are odd in that one....
    Alfred Kelberry: i think we should do that randomly, riddle
    Monarchy Republic: thing is ..once you know somone ..you kind of sense their prescence ..
    Eliza Madrigal: _/i\_ .·:*´¨`*:·. .·:*´¨`*:·.namaste everyone! .·:*´¨`*:·. .·:*´¨`*:·. _/i\_
    Riddle Sideways: ha, random 'bow' gestures
    Alfred Kelberry: like say the next person who enters we'll stand up and greet him :)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Monarchy Republic: how many times have you known a friend or a partner ..is walking up the street before they even get to the door ?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Riddle Sideways: yes, Mon
    Alfred Kelberry: coincidence
    Riddle Sideways: in-tune-ness
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: both :)
    oO0Oo Resident: heightened awareness? micro attentiveness?
    Alfred Kelberry: it's like afterlife - a nice thought to have :)
    Riddle Sideways: realizing you know what you know
    Riddle Sideways: or really listening
    oO0Oo Resident: i think we are talking about container principle with respect to hellos and goodbyes
    Eliza Madrigal: how appropriate for an afterlife discussion :)
    Riddle Sideways: containment?
    Alfred Kelberry: sam?
    Riddle Sideways: ooOoo, please say more
    oO0Oo Resident: guarding the space in which continuity of discussion can happen reasonably without unnecessary distractions, while also honoring the need to be polite and have greetings of some kind
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Monarchy Republic: not sure there IS an afterlife ,,just life ..and bad memory :s ..those reinstalls cause havoc on the Akashic harddrives :P
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Riddle Sideways: yep

         We all stand up and somewhat box
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi San :)
    Monarchy Republic: hiya San :)
    Santoshima Resident: hello
    Alfred Kelberry: hi san :)
    Alfred Kelberry: /.w
    Santoshima Resident: sorry boxy
    Santoshima Resident: my clumsy
    Alfred Kelberry: :)

            a new person arrives
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Luscifer
    Luscifer Resident: oi
    Santoshima Resident: oi, luscifer

    Luscifer Resident: oitudo bem?
    Xirana Oximoxi: si tuudo bem:)
    Monarchy Republic: :) ..just recollecting how random acts of clumsiness have opened such fantastic oppotunities ...sometimes totally making an ass of oneself ..totally creates the woderful :)
    Eliza Madrigal: unguarded moments
    Luscifer Resident: d ond vc e?
    Riddle Sideways: Dumbassery (needs to be said with french accent)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal practices
    Monarchy Republic: well...if you police the fortress too well ...even the things that make it a fun place dont get through
    Eliza Madrigal: amen
    Riddle Sideways: yep
    Luscifer Resident: deonde vc é ?
    Xirana Oximoxi: Luscifer..we spek English here:)
    Xirana Oximoxi: sppeak*
    Xirana Oximoxi: ui
    Luscifer Resident: ata
    Riddle Sideways: umm, the translator has gone funny or I am not understandin
    Monarchy Republic: well...Espana is second most spoken ..just pipped English a few years back...but then i guess we should be speaking Manadarin Chinese if we are going to be democratic about it :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: I guess he speaks portuguese
    Luscifer Resident: isso
    Monarchy Republic: i still like the idea of semaphore for a global language ,,,everyone should have a pair of mini flags :)
    Luscifer Resident: brasil
    Monarchy Republic: :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: i like the idea of one single language
    Alfred Kelberry: maybe something thought-based in the future
    Monarchy Republic: the beauty of different language though ,,is it s the syntax ..thats what makes you think in the way you do ...your language colours your perspectives ,so languages are fun :)
    Riddle Sideways: that reminds of a Monty Python skit that was never done
    Xirana Oximoxi: only one language reduces human's perceptions of the world:)
    Alfred Kelberry: monarchy, fun, but inconvenient
    Luscifer Resident: verdade
    Luscifer Resident: voces são de onde ?
    Monarchy Republic: thats nature ..she like diversity
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Alfred Kelberry: she doesn't care really
    Eliza Madrigal tickles Alfred... laughter comes from somewhere?
    Monarchy Republic: well..care is a perspective too ..
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hehe
    Monarchy Republic: maybe we should have a PaB meeting where we have to speak Brasilian Portugeuse :)
    Monarchy Republic: we could read Paulo Coelho to each other :)
    Luscifer Resident: yes
    Monarchy Republic: PaB meet and circumnavigate the globe :)
    Riddle Sideways: que seria divertido, talvez
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: that's Spanish, Rid:)
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, google translate said it was Portuguese
    Riddle Sideways: I can't proof it
    Alfred Kelberry: spoof it
    Xirana Oximoxi: ahh yes,.... you are right, it says it's portugese, but I think maybe not
    Monarchy Republic: well Italians will understand the vowels ;)
    Alfred Kelberry: i trust xir more than the google algorithm :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: ui boxy, I can not speak Portuguese!!! :)
    Alfred Kelberry: heh
    Eliza Madrigal: am told if one speaks french and spanish, portuguese is a snap
    Alfred Kelberry: in all diversity, thankfully, we have one language that we can all communicate with in here
    Xirana Oximoxi: I can understand a ot, but not all:)
    Xirana Oximoxi: lot*
    Luscifer Resident: posso falar españo
    Xirana Oximoxi: ok Lucifer, como se dice "sería divertido, tal vez" en portugués?
    Santoshima Resident: bye observerm ~
    Luscifer Resident: hihihihhi
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
    Xirana Oximoxi: :))) ?
    Santoshima Resident: bye yaku
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye yaku:)
    Luscifer Resident: tchal
    Riddle Sideways: Ba bye

    Alfred Kelberry: ok, let's play a game. what are the 6 official languages of the u.n.? :)
    Luscifer Resident: tchal

    Monarchy Republic: there was a thing i watched ..it was about a guy and he taught his infant son ..Klingon ..and he said ,,after a while his son became intuitive about what things were in Klingon ..even without learnng the phrases ..likre he understood the unlying syntax ,,then about 4 yrs old he stopped ..it was useful in daily life
    Monarchy Republic: not Klingon ...lol
    Eliza Madrigal: :) has a daughter who speaks Na'vi... hope it helps
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, the best age to study a language
    Monarchy Republic: Na'vi should be spoken by the Security Council ..it would improve matters immeasurably ;)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles

    Eliza Madrigal looks around for restart
    Xirana Oximoxi: I go now, nice day to all:)
    Riddle Sideways: ba bye

    Eliza Madrigal: (Riddle's session normally ends with the region being restarted Mon ;-)
    Santoshima Resident: salut, xirana
    oO0Oo Resident: Bye Xir
    Monarchy Republic: hugs ..have beautiful things reflecting your beauty always :)
    Luscifer Resident: tchal xira

    Riddle Sideways: not sure if region restart has moved to wednesday :)))
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Monarchy Republic: there was a region restart in the Second Life Grid about an hour ago ,,i was at an art gallery there ,,so it will catch up
    Eliza Madrigal: rolling rolling rolling
    Monarchy Republic: the El Nino Restart Remix :P
    Eliza Madrigal checks her store of canned goods
             below are 3 great, but different links to view
    Santoshima Resident: this isn't related to restarts at all
    Santoshima Resident: sant to share this / googling cache:
    Santoshima Resident: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/10...n_1005399.html
    Santoshima Resident: for later reading
    Monarchy Republic: must log ..but im still here ..if that makes sense ? hugs ...have wonderful things happen :)
    Riddle Sideways: ty, a straw book
    Santoshima Resident: :)
    Santoshima Resident: bye monarchy
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Monarchy :) Bye for now
    Riddle Sideways: bye mon
    Luscifer Resident: bay

    Riddle Sideways: somehow got the image of book written on reused plastic macdonald's straws :)
    Riddle Sideways: one long straw put together
    Eliza Madrigal: haha.. I was redirected so haven't yet seen the story
    Santoshima Resident: ... and from straw, to contemplating gender presentation: http://juditheffingbutler.tumblr.com/
    Santoshima Resident: ... and finally, a muscial interlude from the great buffy saite-marie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM-PS3D3XJo She so beautiful
    Riddle Sideways: how did you make that connection ??

    Santoshima Resident: gota go, thank you ~
    Santoshima Resident: oops walking walking
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye San, I think
    Riddle Sideways: hehehe
    Riddle Sideways: bye
    Luscifer Resident: vou dar uma volta !!!!?
    Luscifer Resident: blz = ok
    Riddle Sideways: bye

    Riddle Sideways: wearing the translator did not help much
    Eliza Madrigal: seems not
    Eliza Madrigal: but he still stayed and seemed to enjoy us, haha
    Eliza Madrigal: so who is one to say what another gleans :)
    Riddle Sideways: yep
    oO0Oo Resident nods
    Riddle Sideways checks the gleanings
    Eliza Madrigal: eew
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Riddle Sideways: too bad those booxy nose words don't show in the log
    Eliza Madrigal would like to script to have a faenik back some days
    Eliza Madrigal: (faenik was a script that fael would wear that would inject lines like 'why not' or 'so')
    Riddle Sideways: yes, seconds the emotion
    Riddle Sideways: wants Faenik back
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Riddle Sideways: and Faenik showed in the log (mostly)
    Riddle Sideways: ok, need to go folks
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Riddle, nice session

    Riddle Sideways: no restart here today
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I"m completely throw by that
    Riddle Sideways: thank you all
    Eliza Madrigal: was counting on it
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: thanks all... nice gleaming gleaning
    Eliza Madrigal: thought 'oh I can go inworld because any second will be thrown out' :))) to do list safe
    Riddle Sideways cleans up the gleans before leaving
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: by everyone, thanks
    oO0Oo Resident: rolls and restarts
    oO0Oo Resident: byeee
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Riddle Sideways: bye

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