2011.10.28 13:00 - On being embarrassed to ask

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    Wol Euler was guardian for this session, filling in for Yakuzza.


    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Wol and Korel.
    Wol Euler: hello korel, bruce
    Korel Laloix: Heya.
    Bruce Mowbray: I hope you're finally getting some rest, Wol.
    Korel Laloix: In and out.
    Wol Euler: sorta :)
    Wol Euler: thank you
    Bruce Mowbray: weekend ahead. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: play hooky.
    Korel Laloix: Thank goodness.
    Wol Euler: heh
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Wol Euler: hard to do when there's only one person in the office. My absence would be noticed
    Korel Laloix: I have the same problem today.
    Bruce Mowbray: Could you put an avatar in your office to sub for you?
    Korel Laloix: I am the only one here and I wanted to leave early for my trip... frowns
    Bruce Mowbray relishes his retirement, hermithood, and freedom -- once more.
    Wol Euler: hello fc
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Fc!
    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Wol Korel Bruce
    Wol Euler: hello eliza!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Eliza.
    FcSeeker Resident: hi Eliza
    Korel Laloix: osiyo
    Eliza Madrigal waves
    Wol Euler considers playing a really simplified game of tic-tac-toe on Eliza's jeans
    FcSeeker Resident: smiles*
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe hopscotch
    FcSeeker Resident: how are you all ?
    Wol Euler: hheh
    Bruce Mowbray looks around for a magic marker.
    Wol Euler: hello aggers!
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    FcSeeker Resident: hi Aggers
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, aggers.
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
    Eliza Madrigal: fairly well FcS, you?
    FcSeeker Resident: I'm soooooooooooo happy atm <3<3<3<3
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Agatha Macbeth: FC is cute as always :)
    Wol Euler: glad to hear that
    Bruce Mowbray: Me tooooo, Fc!!!
    Eliza Madrigal: oooh! livens up
    FcSeeker Resident: so good to hear <3
    Eliza Madrigal: with reason or beyond?
    Wol Euler: ah, yes, it's friday
    FcSeeker Resident: I just got such help from a friend; special help I needed
    FcSeeker Resident: and was a bit embarresed to ask
    Bruce Mowbray: SO DID I, Fc!!!!
    Bruce Mowbray: Yayyyy!
    Wol Euler: awwwwww
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Congratulations, surely something to celebrate
    FcSeeker Resident: Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Wol Euler: the thing is, fc, friends *want* to help, If you don't ask they are unable to do so
    Wol Euler: not asking cheats two people :)
    FcSeeker Resident: and my friend even said that 'if all problems would be so easy to resolve'
    Eliza Madrigal: wonder why it is so common to be embarrassed to ask
    Agatha Macbeth: 'the only silly question is the one you don't ask'
    FcSeeker Resident: that I felt that I didn't bother my friend at all :)***
    Wol Euler: yep
    Wol Euler smiles.
    FcSeeker Resident: imo---when one has used to be the helper for decades, and not needed help for one's self so much...but starting to need more and more help by time, but not getting it...
    Wol Euler: perhaps it goes back to the fear of being wrong that is hammmered into (most of) us at school
    FcSeeker Resident: specially from people who's said that 'if there's anything I can do, please tell'
    Wol Euler: of being the only one who doesn't know the answer, and being laughed at
    Bruce Mowbray: oh yeah.
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    FcSeeker Resident: that makes at leat me to be embarresed when needs to ask...
    Wol Euler nods to Fc.
    Wol Euler: asking for help means giving up the role of being helper, you mean?


    FcSeeker Resident: well...have not taken myself to have any rolls...but knowing that I cannot help myself...
    FcSeeker Resident: hi boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    FcSeeker Resident: and yes; feeling that I bother
    Wol Euler: awww
    FcSeeker Resident: which is the last thing I wanna do to anybody
    Alfred Kelberry: *purr* what a lovely set of girls :)
    Wol Euler: not just, boxy :)
    Agatha Macbeth: G'day Boxy
    Bruce Mowbray: sometimes one needs to let friends know that it's all right for them to say, NOOOOOO! - - (but first we need to know that ourselves).
    Wol Euler: but the girls are lovely, I'll grant you that
    Wol Euler grins.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Boxy!
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Eliza Madrigal waves to Boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: victorian aga?
    Eliza Madrigal: to ask for what one needs, often requires a disclosure, a kind of price or risk
    Agatha Macbeth: Could be
    Wol Euler nods.
    Alfred Kelberry: eliza is goddess-like, as usual :)
    Eliza Madrigal: goddess in ripped jeans?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: and featherly light top :)
    Wol Euler: goddesses make what ever they wear regal :)
    Agatha Macbeth: True
    FcSeeker Resident: <3<3<3
    Eliza Madrigal enjoys everyone's projections
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Alfred Kelberry: heh
    Alfred Kelberry: kori is diminutively cute
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Agatha Macbeth: Or cutely diminutive
    FcSeeker Resident: ...have you Bruce used to get help when you ask for it ?
    Alfred Kelberry: heh
    FcSeeker Resident: meaning from other people..
    Alfred Kelberry: *sniffs the flowers on top of aga's hat*
    Bruce Mowbray: I seldom ask for help . . . but can do so when I need to - - such as today.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Do they need watering?
    Alfred Kelberry: um...
    Alfred Kelberry: they look artificial


    An interesting point.

    Eliza Madrigal: funny how often someone says they have a huge favor and it turns out to be a tiny thing
    Wol Euler: yep
    Wol Euler: huge to them, perhaps, weighing on their soul like a ton of barbed wire
    Eliza Madrigal: YES
    Bruce Mowbray: hat do you mean, "artificial"? - - I can see the aphids from way over here.
    Agatha Macbeth: Ow
    FcSeeker Resident: ah yes; my prob was huge
    Bruce Mowbray: but lighter now, I hope, Fc.
    FcSeeker Resident: and I didn't know anything to resolve even I tried things that I know
    Eliza Madrigal smiles... makes me feel happy to think of that
    FcSeeker Resident: the problem was solved perfectly
    Wol Euler: problems always seem very much larger when seen from the inside :)
    Wol Euler: or perhaps :(
    Alfred Kelberry: for a kid, if his cube tower has fallen, it's a big deal
    Bruce Mowbray: My "problem" was also solved perrectly - - just this morning! YAYYY!
    FcSeeker Resident: oh huge boxy
    Agatha Macbeth: Huge Boxy? :p
    FcSeeker Resident: thank you so much for your words
    Wol Euler smiles warmly
    Alfred Kelberry: i think it's about emotional investment
    Eliza Madrigal: :))) Bruce
    Agatha Macbeth: He always tells the girls that
    Wol Euler laughs.
    FcSeeker Resident: you helped me to think how we all are also children, specially in front of the problems we cannot resolve by our self
    Alfred Kelberry: what? about investments? :)
    Eliza Madrigal: mmm
    FcSeeker Resident: rises a story...
    Bruce Mowbray hopes aggers is not referring to the aphids when he says, "He tells all the girls that."
    Eliza Madrigal: nods FcS
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Agatha Macbeth: When you seen one aphid you've seen em all
    Eliza Madrigal: It might make a good experiment: asking practice
    Wol Euler nods.
    Alfred Kelberry: aphid - a minute bug that feeds by sucking sap from plants


    FcSeeker tells a story from xir life.

    FcSeeker Resident: as I was only 7 years old, but I was strong and already could help in many things....
    Agatha Macbeth: and gets eaten by ladybirds
    Wol Euler: that's a good idea, eliza
    Alfred Kelberry: aga, cool
    FcSeeker Resident: and I just had rowed group of people from island to the mainland...
    FcSeeker Resident: all other was adults
    Alfred Kelberry: blisters
    Eliza Madrigal: wow
    FcSeeker Resident: and they all went up to the hill to cars
    FcSeeker Resident: but I stayed to set the rowboat to been tight
    Bruce Mowbray listens intently.
    FcSeeker Resident: so I was alone when took a walk onto the mainland
    Wol Euler excuses herself for a moment, and slips away
    FcSeeker Resident: I dont know the name of the item in english, but such wooden 'platform' between boats and land
    Alfred Kelberry: aww
    Agatha Macbeth: Pier?
    Bruce Mowbray: pier
    FcSeeker Resident: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: snap
    Eliza Madrigal: erases 'dock'
    Agatha Macbeth: Pier pressure
    FcSeeker Resident: so...one of them woods of the pier was weak
    FcSeeker Resident: and my foot went through it up to the knee
    Eliza Madrigal: !
    FcSeeker Resident: and I couldn't get it up
    Agatha Macbeth: Erk
    Bruce Mowbray: !!!
    Bruce Mowbray: pier pressure, indeed.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    FcSeeker Resident: I tried and tried but only got wounds
    FcSeeker Resident: it took long time for adults to notice that I'm 'nowhere'
    Eliza Madrigal: what a scary feeling
    FcSeeker Resident: and my grandmom had said that she's to check why I'm in so long delay
    FcSeeker Resident: so she came and found me like that and helped me up and said;
    FcSeeker Resident: "Ah yes...as children are always helped"
    Agatha Macbeth: 'you put your foot in it'
    FcSeeker Resident: that has always been in my family that one must understand of 'the half of the word' what the other person sais
    Eliza Madrigal: oh, interesting, wow... suppose she was confiding, in a way
    FcSeeker Resident: so I know that she meant to apologize that nobody had noticed to think that I am a child
    Agatha Macbeth: Grandmothers are very wise creatures
    Eliza Madrigal: mmmm
    FcSeeker Resident: and took herself much responsibility that I had not been taken care of
    FcSeeker Resident: so...that moment told me that I was not a child anymore in people's eyes
    Korel Laloix: Never met any of my grandparetns... frowns
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww


    FcSeeker Resident: but I felt good to get so much love from my granny...
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ari :)
    Arisia Vita: so good to be near you all again...
    FcSeeker Resident: and now you boxy helped me to remember how all people are still also a child, no matter witch age
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello dear ari
    FcSeeker Resident: Hello love *
    Alfred Kelberry: ari :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Ari!
    FcSeeker Resident: and children are allowed to ask help :)<3<3<3
    Alfred Kelberry: new outfit :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) FcS
    Eliza Madrigal: wb Wol :)
    Wol Euler: ty
    FcSeeker Resident: wb Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    Agatha Macbeth: wb
    Alfred Kelberry: fc, i'm glad i played my part :)
    Wol Euler: these little rituals that we enact :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Everyone needs to feel safe to ask for help.
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
    Wol Euler: but I'm sorry I missed the end of your story, fc


    Gender rules, fie on 'em.

    Alfred Kelberry: bruce, but men don't ask for help and never cry
    Wol Euler snorts.
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Wol Euler: men are idiots if they don't
    FcSeeker Resident: I'll create a nc for you <3<3<3
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: well, actually ... :)
    Agatha Macbeth: That's why it helps to be a woman [grin]
    Bruce Mowbray: then, I guess I'm not a "man" - - -
    Alfred Kelberry: *likes controversial statements* :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Wol Euler: the best men aren't "men" :)
    Bruce Mowbray: nor would I wish to be that sort of man.
    Agatha Macbeth: Small furry creatures from alpha centauri are REAL small furry creatures from alpha centauri...
    Wol Euler grins
    Wol Euler: but the poetry sucks.
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    Alfred Kelberry: it can be seen as limitation of freedom that men aren't supposed to be mushy. yet it's a part of being human.
    Wol Euler: "I like my men like my peas: mushy" :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Peas are supposed to be mushy...
    Wol Euler: semi-snap
    Agatha Macbeth: Snap
    Agatha Macbeth: sorta
    Wol Euler: meta-snap
    Eliza Madrigal: likes popping peas
    Agatha Macbeth: meta sorta
    Agatha Macbeth: Or metta
    Korel Laloix: I am not really into men, but the ones that I have been attracted to were the very confident geeky sorts.... or metal musicians.....grins
    Alfred Kelberry: could also contribute to men living less for suppressing a substantial chunck of their emotions
    Agatha Macbeth: Alf will be glad to hear that :p
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, please :)
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Bruce Mowbray knows that he'll never be charged with suppressing a substantial chunk of emotions.
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, the men here, do you cry in a movie theater? :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Good for thee Brucie
    Bruce Mowbray: . . . well, except for anger - - I do suppress my anger too much.
    Bruce Mowbray: I cry anywhere - - literally.
    Bruce Mowbray: I cried last weekend with a guest visiting.
    Agatha Macbeth knows the feeling
    Wol Euler smiles warmly.
    Alfred Kelberry: *recalls tears on his cheeks watching titanic while holding a hand of a girl in the next seat* :)
    Eliza Madrigal: guests and sinking ships are supposed to make you cry :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow, did you know her?
    Alfred Kelberry: heh
    Bruce Mowbray: Sometinmes, I'll watch a DVD JUST IN ORDER to get the tears flowing.
    Alfred Kelberry: yep
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Wol Euler laughs.
    Agatha Macbeth: I find music does it better
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce, what movies?
    Alfred Kelberry: aga, yes. classical.
    Agatha Macbeth smiles @ Boxyboy
    Eliza Madrigal: yes me too Bruce
    Alfred Kelberry: violins can make wonders to your soul
    Bruce Mowbray: @ Wol. . . . and also while watching a child discovering the mist for the first time (((Wol)))


    This refers to a little tale I told at the Halifax retreat, which I'll tell you about some other time.

    Agatha Macbeth: and pianos
    Alfred Kelberry: yep
    Arisia Vita: when one laughs hard enough, he cries... there is a message in that
    Wol Euler smiles tearily
    Eliza Madrigal: :***)))
    Alfred Kelberry: i play at home now and then and amuse myself :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I don't wonder
    Alfred Kelberry: ari, i like the metaphor of a cry as emotions that can't hold anymore and they overflow
    Arisia Vita: me too
    Alfred Kelberry: literally feels like that
    Bruce Mowbray: What movies? - - - (answering Boxy) - - I always cry in GOOD WILL HUNTING. . .
    Eliza Madrigal: 'a good cry'
    Agatha Macbeth: Know the overflow as you go
    Arisia Vita: Happiness lives for those who cry, those who hurt, those who have searched, and those who have tried, for only they can appreciate the importance of people who have touched their lives.
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce! omg, i yet to see this movie
    Alfred Kelberry: thank you for reminding me


    Eliza Madrigal: a must
    Wol Euler: "It's a wonderful life"
    Bruce Mowbray: "It's not your fault. It's not your fault. It's not. . ."
    Alfred Kelberry: ari, beautiful
    Arisia Vita: the truth often is...
    Wol Euler nods to ari.
    Agatha Macbeth: Which movie?
    Alfred Kelberry: or not
    Eliza Madrigal: "Life is Beautiful"
    Wol Euler: the "tears in the rain" scene at the end of Blade Runner, man I choke up even thinking about it :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, that's not very cryish :)
    Wol Euler: O.O WHAT???
    Agatha Macbeth: Depends Alf...
    Wol Euler: clearly you don't remember it
    Alfred Kelberry: too sci-fi-ish :)
    Alfred Kelberry: but yes, it was a long time ago
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119217/
    Wol Euler snorts
    Wol Euler: that scene is *not* about sci-fi :)
    Korel Laloix: I really don't like scifi, but I did like bladerunner.
    Alfred Kelberry: um, yes. i mean the movie is.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: The fact it's a 'hard man' like Rutger Hauer makes it even more so
    Wol Euler: exactly, aggers
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh, Brokeback Montain . . . I really criee with that one.
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Bruce Mowbray: Mountain*
    Bruce Mowbray: cried*
    Agatha Macbeth: Brucie is so emotional, his spelling is kaput
    Agatha Macbeth: :p
    Korel Laloix: OH gosh, we soooo hated that movie.
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, Ang Lee... thought it was Minghella
    Eliza Madrigal: I was looking for a sappy Minghella film I used to own the other day.. 'truly madly deeply'... found amazon for $104...ack... that's a wonderful, cry-y movie
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, right
    Korel Laloix: And then my straight friends give a me a copy........ I dont like men, so I really don't want to see two men going at it.... lol
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92D15qtI_Gk
    Agatha Macbeth: Chacun a son gout eh?
    Wol Euler: oh, yes, lovely film!
    Agatha Macbeth: Shame gaya had to wind up the film club
    Agatha Macbeth: (waa)
    Alfred Kelberry: i miss gaya
    Alfred Kelberry: :(
    Wol Euler nods.
    Agatha Macbeth: Was that a hug Alf, or did you blow in my ear?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, me too
    Alfred Kelberry: both, aga :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, ty :)
    Alfred Kelberry: also, stroked your hair :)
    Agatha Macbeth: ty x 2 :)
    Alfred Kelberry: and gave a soft kiss to your cheek :)
    Agatha Macbeth: oooh
    Alfred Kelberry: *purr* :)
    Agatha Macbeth: You dog you [wink]
    Bruce Mowbray is crying - - just having watched Good Will Hunting for the thousandth time.
    Alfred Kelberry: aww...
    Agatha Macbeth: Aw, brucie
    Eliza Madrigal: ((((( ))))))
    Alfred Kelberry: *pats brucie*
    Wol Euler: awwwwwww ♥
    Bruce Mowbray: it's OK. among friends.
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: permission :)
    Wol Euler nods.
    FcSeeker Resident: <3<3<3
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Leave the permissions open' :p
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce... is it ok to ask what makes you cry in this movie? specific event, recollection from the past?
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, that particular scene involves the young man finally admitting that his step-father's physical abuse was not his fault. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: Robin Williams repeats it ten times.
    Bruce Mowbray: and finally the boy undertstands. . .
    Wol Euler nods.
    Bruce Mowbray: It took me four decades to get the point.
    Alfred Kelberry: thank you, bruce
    FcSeeker Resident: (closes his eyes because has not seen that movie yet, but heared it to bee great)
    Agatha Macbeth: Some things take time I guess
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eliza Madrigal: cracking each layer down
    Bruce Mowbray: so. . . It's a GREAT DAY! and It's going to be even a GREATER weekend!!!
    Wol Euler: the pupil has to be ready for the lesson
    Agatha Macbeth: GREAT :p
    Wol Euler: that reminded me of a moment in Kramer versus Kramer
    Bruce Mowbray listens
    Wol Euler: where she has moved out, and he is tucking their kid, maybe he's 5 or 6, in to bed
    Wol Euler: they talk about where mom is
    Wol Euler: and the kid asks "When mommy left us, was it because I was bad?"
    Wol Euler: my god, I just bawled
    Eliza Madrigal: :(
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes.
    Alfred Kelberry: eh
    Agatha Macbeth: ♥
    Wol Euler: ah, the things people carry with them
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe cos they don't wanna put them down


    Wol Euler: or don't know that they can.
    Bruce Mowbray: fighting parents do not seem to realize that their kids often feel responsible. . . and carry that "guilt" inwardly for years.
    FcSeeker Resident: ...I know a man who was ab 40 when his parents divorsed and he thought that to been caused by him that he was not as good son he would've liked to be...
    Agatha Macbeth: Why does someone always have to be 'to blame'?
    FcSeeker Resident: he thankfully was helped to get rid of thouse thoughts soon
    Eliza Madrigal: one doesn't want to lose the treasure in what they've gone through, in what they've gone through... so how to hold without being swallowed up may take a while
    Agatha Macbeth: Good FC
    Eliza Madrigal: (sorry for repetition, wonder what I did erase if not that) :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Your point is well taken - - erasure or not.
    Agatha Macbeth: 'without repetition, hesitation or deviation'
    Wol Euler: truly, madly, deeply
    Bruce Mowbray is a world-class repeater, hesitator, and deviator.
    Agatha Macbeth: Crosby stills and Nash
    Agatha Macbeth: and Young
    Alfred Kelberry: ok now, what movies do you watch for laughs? :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Airplane 1 & 2
    Alfred Kelberry: oldies
    Alfred Kelberry: haven't seen
    Agatha Macbeth: The Great Dictator
    Agatha Macbeth: Monsieur Verdoux
    Wol Euler: o.O
    Eliza Madrigal: LA Story :)
    Wol Euler ponders
    Alfred Kelberry: gah! we're a totally mismatch on the movies, aga :)
    Alfred Kelberry: seen none of those
    Agatha Macbeth: LA is funny Liz? :p
    Bruce Mowbray: The Birdcage
    Wol Euler: is LA story the weatherman?
    Wol Euler: and the talking traffic sign?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... it is a quirky like I admit
    Eliza Madrigal: but makes me giggle
    Wol Euler: that was funny, yes, I liked that
    Agatha Macbeth: and the Marx bros natch
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eliza Madrigal: oooh definitely
    FcSeeker Resident: ...loves the movies with laughter, tears, exitement and grace...
    Alfred Kelberry: so, come on, no one is watching hangover for laughs? :)
    Wol Euler: Coen Brothers and Aki Kaurismäki films are really funny in bits
    Agatha Macbeth: Hangover?
    Alfred Kelberry: eh, eclectic elitists :)
    Wol Euler: yep :-P
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Agatha Macbeth: Never seen that one either
    Alfred Kelberry: as long as it's not for the sake of elitism :)
    Eliza Madrigal: does a film need to have catharsis? (thinking of 'grace')
    FcSeeker Resident: oh wow...have taken Aki Kaurismäki to make heavy movies to watch...maybe I should've watch them taking them to be humor....
    Wol Euler: oh, they are heavy, fc, but funny too
    Wol Euler: they are funny in bits, between the tears
    Alfred Kelberry: eliza, i like open ends and suspension sometimes
    Eliza Madrigal: mmmm
    Agatha Macbeth says nothing
    Wol Euler: aye
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2...-funny-movies/
    Alfred Kelberry: aga girl :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I'll leave the BDSM jokes for another day :p
    Alfred Kelberry: you! :)
    Agatha Macbeth: me?
    FcSeeker Resident: such movies like 'Blue lagun' holds grace imo...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes amazing how you just did that ag :)
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Wol Euler: sorry, that story lost me on the first paragraph. Any list of "funniest films ever" which includes Adam Sandler in its tags ... well, we will disagree
    FcSeeker Resident: dont know the spelling of 'lagun' but think that all knows the movie
    Bruce Mowbray: Blue Lagoon - - a beautiful movie. . .
    FcSeeker Resident: Lagoon yes
    Alfred Kelberry: adam sandler is great!
    FcSeeker Resident: felt that also for the movie 'Save the solder Brian'
    Agatha Macbeth: I like the Hanukkah Song'
    Alfred Kelberry: he was so good in reign over me
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, Philidelphia Story mmmm
    Wol Euler: "clerks" was good, and also "chasing amy"
    Bruce Mowbray agrees with Wol about Adam Sandler.
    Wol Euler: tahnk you, bruce :)
    Alfred Kelberry: *pokes bruce*
    Agatha Macbeth also pokes Bruce
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: that page had probs so I looked at another: http://www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0882207.html
    Wol Euler: I've never heard of two thirds of those films
    Eliza Madrigal: forgot half of these... just watched Girl Friday last week again
    Bruce Mowbray: OH WOW! Great list, Eliza!!
    Korel Laloix: I am glad I have never heard of most of them.
    Agatha Macbeth: Like I said, we should get Gaya back
    Bruce Mowbray rushes to make Netflix orders.
    Eliza Madrigal: wow I should get netflix again, are they giving apology rates?
    Wol Euler: oh yes, a much better list! thank you eliza


    Wol Euler: ha! they include Fargo! good list.
    Agatha Macbeth: Wells?
    Wol Euler: north dakota
    Wol Euler: coen brothers
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Eliza Madrigal: even the Court Jester :) <3
    Eliza Madrigal: the idea has come up of having a pab pajama and movie night... what think we? :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Who caught him?
    Alfred Kelberry: wee!
    Eliza Madrigal: could be middle of day I guess :)
    Wol Euler: great idea, but timing will be a problem
    Korel Laloix: What movie?
    Bruce Mowbray: wee wee wee!
    Eliza Madrigal: there's the question
    Agatha Macbeth: Wee laddie
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
    FcSeeker Resident: hello Zen
    Wol Euler: hello zen
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zen.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Mr Artist :)
    Alfred Kelberry: woly, let's go watch forrest gump in german in berlin :)
    Alfred Kelberry: zen :)
    Wol Euler: sure
    Wol Euler: organize it
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Zen Arado: Black Forest gump
    Bruce Mowbray: Rocky Horror Show
    Alfred Kelberry: you just do it
    Wol Euler: yay!
    Eliza Madrigal: there ya go
    Bruce Mowbray: Time for Bruce to poof.
    Wol Euler: bye bruce, enjoy the weekend
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks everyone. . . Make it a great weekend.
    Alfred Kelberry: poof well and thank you
    Eliza Madrigal: Eliza too but she seems to be stuck to the cushion
    FcSeeker Resident: enjoy your day Bruce :)
    Zen Arado: bye Bruce
    Wol Euler: awwwww
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bruce :) TY
    Alfred Kelberry: nooo, eliza staaays!!!
    Wol Euler grabs your ankle and lies on the floor to increase resistance
    Alfred Kelberry: *adds more adhesive material*
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe.. seems so.... no matter how many times I've visualized myself up and about
    Zen Arado: locks manacles
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Agatha Macbeth: Erk
    Alfred Kelberry: suspension! :)
    Zen Arado: handcuffed to pillar
    Eliza Madrigal: eek :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I come here to get away from all that :p
    Eliza Madrigal: sea monster coming?
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Zen Arado: oh was getting carried away
    Zen Arado: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Carried away by a sea monster
    Zen Arado: ws getting into bondage unconsciously
    FcSeeker Resident: hi Ingrid
    Alfred Kelberry: *brings a ballgag*
    Wol Euler grins.
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Ingrid Manen: hi
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ingrid :)
    Alfred Kelberry: oh... hi :)
    Agatha Macbeth: G'day Ingrid
    Wol Euler: hello ingrid
    Zen Arado: Hi Ingrid :)
    Wol Euler: have you been here before?
    Ingrid Manen: yes long ago
    Alfred Kelberry: ingrid - a nice nordic name
    Eliza Madrigal: Welcome back :)
    Ingrid Manen: I was just trying old landmarks
    Wol Euler: ah, okay, so I'll spare you the introduciton and the notecard :)
    Agatha Macbeth: An old timer :)
    Alfred Kelberry: and you've found new us! :)
    Wol Euler: old indeed! born in september 2006!
    Eliza Madrigal: washed upon a new old shore
    Ingrid Manen: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: message in a bottle, eliza? :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Or an old new one
    FcSeeker Resident: takes a humble bow
    Wol Euler: bye fc, take care, enjoy the weekend
    Eliza Madrigal: bye FcS :) thanks
    Alfred Kelberry: do you have a message for us, ingrid? :)
    FcSeeker Resident: namaste dear people :)<3<3<3
    Agatha Macbeth: _/\_ FC
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Alfred Kelberry: bye, plushy panda :)
    Ingrid Manen: eww... should I
    Wol Euler: it's optional
    Alfred Kelberry: not sure, just asking
    Agatha Macbeth: Should you what?
    Ingrid Manen: have a message
    Zen Arado: bye Fc
    Wol Euler: but you would get extra points for having one :)
    Alfred Kelberry: heh
    Agatha Macbeth: Erm
    Alfred Kelberry: karma points that is
    Wol Euler: right
    Alfred Kelberry: which increases your chances to incarnate as a human in your next life
    Wol Euler: it's your "get out of a lower life form free" card
    Agatha Macbeth: Karma chameleons
    Eliza Madrigal: actually do have to go... taking son who has/wants no costume, to a halloween party tonight...
    Wol Euler: oh wow
    Agatha Macbeth: Watch those broomsticks Liz
    Arisia Vita: I must fly too...
    Arisia Vita: it's been great being near you all
    Agatha Macbeth: Fly well Ari
    Ingrid Manen: message :)
    Wol Euler: bye eliza, enjoy the evening
    Zen Arado: unlocks Eliza


    It seems Ingrid does have a message! Perhaps we should ask this of all visitors.

    Ingrid Manen: While mankind deliberates its lively existance and includes its struggle for dominance and while it makes life hardly bearable and wealth hardly shareable, there is a common dream of a perfect heaven as an unimaginable paradise to believe in…
    Wol Euler: bye ari, take care
    Zen Arado: bye Ari
    Arisia Vita: be well and happy
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, this could be a fun experiment. every person who joins a session should have a message :)
    Zen Arado: bye Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks
    Eliza Madrigal: :) wearing a shirt that says 'i solemnly swear that I am up to no good'
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liz
    Wol Euler: oh yes,
    Wol Euler: if he had that :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, nice Ingrid :)
    Ingrid Manen: lol everyone flies away
    Agatha Macbeth: It's because Korel's here [grin]
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: our sessions begin at 1, so some have been here a while :) hope to see you again Ingrid and everyone
    Alfred Kelberry: quiet, but effective :)
    Ingrid Manen: perhaps
    Ingrid Manen: :)
    Korel Laloix: I have that affect.
    Eliza Madrigal waves
    Wol Euler: nah
    Agatha Macbeth: (Liz looks huggy)
    Wol Euler: she always does, aggers
    Alfred Kelberry: but, um... for some reason i feel this strange attraction to kori
    Wol Euler: well, I think eveyrone looks huggy
    Wol Euler is a hugging machine.
    Agatha Macbeth polishes your glasses
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Korel Laloix: It is called gravity.
    Ingrid Manen: without offence but I am going to try my next old LM
    Wol Euler: sure, go for it
    Zen Arado: we failed the test :(
    Alfred Kelberry: say hi to the next lm!
    Agatha Macbeth: You'll probably find it's not there anymore
    Alfred Kelberry: from this one
    Zen Arado: yeh
    Wol Euler: that happens a lot
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    Agatha Macbeth: I TPed to a shop once, and found myself in this German couple's bedroom
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Agatha Macbeth: Mein Gott
    Wol Euler: as one does
    Zen Arado: ha ha
    Agatha Macbeth: Fortunately they weren't on the poseballs yet
    Wol Euler: indeed


    Wol Euler: well, they might have rezzed one for you to jion them
    Alfred Kelberry: woly ist eine madchen
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm, ggod point
    Zen Arado: a threesome
    Wol Euler: echt?
    Wol Euler: ach was
    Zen Arado: never tried that
    Alfred Kelberry: um...
    Agatha Macbeth: Thought mädchen is neuter?
    Alfred Kelberry: fem
    Wol Euler: technically yes, it's complicated
    Wol Euler: neutral but used for girls
    Alfred Kelberry: das madchen
    Wol Euler: yep
    Agatha Macbeth: I know the word for child in Scandinavian languages is neuter
    Agatha Macbeth: Odd
    Alfred Kelberry: neat
    Alfred Kelberry: how do you know that?
    Agatha Macbeth: I read a lot
    Alfred Kelberry: oh
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Agatha Macbeth: No life
    Alfred Kelberry: what book is that?
    Wol Euler pokes you.
    Agatha Macbeth: All of them I think ;-)
    Alfred Kelberry: write about swedish kids? :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Swedish, Danish, Norwegian...
    Agatha Macbeth: probably Icelandic too
    Wol Euler: what's the name of that scandiwegian author of detective stories? Malmöö?
    Alfred Kelberry: yep
    Wol Euler: probably where you read it
    Alfred Kelberry: sadly, no suomi :/
    Agatha Macbeth: Malmö is a city I think
    Wol Euler: well, whatever :)
    Alfred Kelberry: agreed
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Wol Euler: him, you know, that one.
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh right, him
    Wol Euler nods.
    Alfred Kelberry: you mean zen?
    Agatha Macbeth tries to think of a swedish author
    Alfred Kelberry: tore janson
    Zen Arado: forget too
    Agatha Macbeth: Thought she was Finnish?
    Zen Arado: read all 3 of them too
    Zen Arado: Stieg Larson?
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm, could be
    Wol Euler: .
    Alfred Kelberry: ..
    Zen Arado: The Girl with the dragon tatoo'
    Alfred Kelberry: ..
    Alfred Kelberry: .
    Agatha Macbeth: Where?
    Alfred Kelberry: kori, i think
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Alfred Kelberry: *runs his paw along woly's back* :)
    Agatha Macbeth: You're being dogged :p
    Wol Euler shivers
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: question: do you think apple will keep up its glory without jobs?
    Wol Euler shrugs
    Wol Euler: maybe
    Wol Euler: on the other hand no company keeps its glory forever, even *with* its original CEOs
    Wol Euler points to Oracle, Sun, HP, Ford, Sony ...
    Alfred Kelberry: yea
    Agatha Macbeth: The FBI
    Wol Euler: them too
    Agatha Macbeth: :p
    Alfred Kelberry: oracle is full of money. they don't need glory :)
    Agatha Macbeth: They can have the glory, I'll have the money...
    Wol Euler: you didn't ask whether apple would remain profitable :-P
    Alfred Kelberry: it was assumed :)
    Wol Euler: ah
    Agatha Macbeth: When you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME
    Wol Euler: so I should know to address teh assumptoin behind your question, not the question itself
    Alfred Kelberry: also, will facebook become the internet 2?
    Wol Euler: no
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: How about the internet 1?
    Alfred Kelberry: we're in it
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Alfred Kelberry: yep
    Alfred Kelberry: *acts smart*
    Agatha Macbeth: Thought that was RL
    Alfred Kelberry: incorrect
    Agatha Macbeth: My mistook
    Alfred Kelberry: this is the internet 1
    Agatha Macbeth: shoot me at your leisure
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: you're too valuable of an ass... asset :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Moi?
    Alfred Kelberry: *sniffs aga's flowers*
    Agatha Macbeth: (again)
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, i know a few pup commands
    Wol Euler grins
    Alfred Kelberry: so...
    Agatha Macbeth: Sit?
    Alfred Kelberry: nope
    Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
    Wol Euler: heel?
    Wol Euler: fetch?
    Alfred Kelberry: sitz
    Agatha Macbeth: Roll over?


    Zen Arado: I better go
    Zen Arado: bye all
    Zen Arado: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye zen, paint well
    Wol Euler: goodnight zen, take care
    Wol Euler: enjoy the weekend
    Alfred Kelberry: tschuss :)
    Zen Arado: thanks you too
    Alfred Kelberry: 4 consonants
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, also...
    Alfred Kelberry: gib laut
    Alfred Kelberry: platz
    Alfred Kelberry: gib pfoten
    Agatha Macbeth: Barry Gibb laut?
    Alfred Kelberry: bei fus
    Agatha Macbeth: schnell schnell
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: learned all that today at the german meeting
    Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
    Agatha Macbeth: Mrawwwww...
    Alfred Kelberry: forgot the word for a little table
    Agatha Macbeth: The night is dark and still...
    Alfred Kelberry: ends with -lein
    Wol Euler: tischlein
    Alfred Kelberry: yep!
    Alfred Kelberry: and even google doens't know this one
    Agatha Macbeth: Google knows all
    Wol Euler: well, it's not really a word, it's a dialect construction
    Alfred Kelberry: so it's... das tischlein
    Alfred Kelberry: along with -chen
    Agatha Macbeth: Diminutive
    Wol Euler: yep
    Wol Euler: though there is a difference. -lein is just small, -chen is cute and sweet
    Agatha Macbeth: Like me :)
    Agatha Macbeth: [cough]
    Wol Euler: exactly.
    Agatha Macbeth: Aggerschen
    Wol Euler: agilein
    Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, diminutive
    Alfred Kelberry: thank you ms. aga girl
    Agatha Macbeth: Boxychen
    Alfred Kelberry: woly, ah... interesting distinction
    Alfred Kelberry: heh
    Alfred Kelberry: a box made in china
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah so
    Wol Euler: well, it just sounds better. one would be more likely to say aggilein than -chen
    Alfred Kelberry: like fraulein
    Agatha Macbeth: Close
    Alfred Kelberry: bingo!
    Agatha Macbeth: Who won?
    Alfred Kelberry: woly?
    Agatha Macbeth: As always...
    Wol Euler: mm?
    Alfred Kelberry: heh
    Wol Euler: ah
    Alfred Kelberry: wolein
    Agatha Macbeth: What's an electric elitist?
    Wol Euler: something boxy said
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Wol Euler: *eclectic
    Agatha Macbeth: Aha
    Agatha Macbeth: Elite and plugged in eh?
    Wol Euler: yep :)
    Alfred Kelberry: eclectic!
    Agatha Macbeth: That too
    Alfred Kelberry: woly, teach me german. come on.
    Alfred Kelberry: i'm ready
    Wol Euler: okay
    Wol Euler: elephant = elefant
    Alfred Kelberry: ich liebe wolien
    Wol Euler: no :)
    Wol Euler: -lein
    Alfred Kelberry: eh
    Wol Euler: e before i
    Agatha Macbeth: He'll never remember that!
    Wol Euler: but you would also add it to the name, wolilein
    Alfred Kelberry: lien is so tempting
    Wol Euler: wol-i-lein
    Korel Laloix: Almost time to leave... then off on my camping trip.
    Wol Euler: oh nice!
    Wol Euler: have fun, avoid the bears
    Agatha Macbeth: Camp well K
    Alfred Kelberry: cool
    Korel Laloix: I will.
    Alfred Kelberry: tirp well in german?
    Agatha Macbeth: Listen out for bells
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Alfred Kelberry: trippel gut
    Alfred Kelberry: no n
    Alfred Kelberry: i guess
    Alfred Kelberry: *pokes woly*
    Wol Euler: trippeln is the verb, but it means ... skipping, I think
    Wol Euler: jumping about like frogs or lambs
    Alfred Kelberry: stolpern?


    Wol Euler: means trip as in "fall over"
    Alfred Kelberry: meh
    Alfred Kelberry: tanzeln!
    Wol Euler: dancing about (but not actually "dancing")
    Alfred Kelberry: grr
    Wol Euler: metaphorical dancing, like Muhamad Ali in the boxing ring
    Alfred Kelberry: i'm running out of options
    Agatha Macbeth: Float like a butterfly
    Alfred Kelberry: bein stellen?
    Wol Euler: to trip somebody up, put your leg across their path to trip them
    Alfred Kelberry: damn
    Alfred Kelberry: so how do you *trip* camping in german?
    Agatha Macbeth: Or acid?
    Wol Euler: that is a "trip" :)
    Wol Euler: in german
    Alfred Kelberry: well, guess you could use any word
    Alfred Kelberry: right
    Alfred Kelberry: like in "trip well"
    Wol Euler: camping trip? I think people would just say "wir gehen camping"
    Agatha Macbeth: Trip out
    Alfred Kelberry: trip in
    Wol Euler: trip well could only be said about drugs in english
    Wol Euler: unless you were talking to a movie stuntman
    Alfred Kelberry: i know :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Or a footballer
    Alfred Kelberry: i mean the woly way
    Alfred Kelberry: box well
    Alfred Kelberry: etc
    Alfred Kelberry: i like your belly button, woly
    Alfred Kelberry: *pushes softly*
    Agatha Macbeth: DING!
    Alfred Kelberry: heh
    Wol Euler giggles
    Alfred Kelberry: you guys are funny
    Agatha Macbeth: Can't argue with that dear boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: sie eine lustig?
    Alfred Kelberry: *pokes woly*
    Wol Euler: eeep
    Alfred Kelberry: lustig sounds gut
    Wol Euler: lüstig
    Alfred Kelberry: ja, ja... lust
    Wol Euler: *ist*
    Alfred Kelberry: ig
    Wol Euler: sie ist lüstig
    Alfred Kelberry: ah
    Alfred Kelberry: wait, i want plural
    Wol Euler: they are?
    Wol Euler: sie sind lüstig
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, right, sie will do
    Alfred Kelberry: or not
    Alfred Kelberry: can i say sie ist lustig to several people?
    Wol Euler: one after the other
    Alfred Kelberry: meh
    Alfred Kelberry: sind then
    Wol Euler: but note that you are saying that *about* people, not to them
    Wol Euler: she is funny
    Wol Euler: not you are funny
    Alfred Kelberry: sie is you
    Wol Euler: no, Sie is formal-you
    Wol Euler: sie is "they"
    Agatha Macbeth: and she
    Wol Euler: Sie sind lüstig
    Wol Euler: is formal-you are funny
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, how do i say "guys, you're funny"
    Wol Euler: leute, ihr seit witzig
    Wol Euler: :-P
    Alfred Kelberry: i don't like you
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Wol Euler: sorry
    Wol Euler grins
    Alfred Kelberry: where did it come from?
    Agatha Macbeth: No need for that! [hehe]
    Wol Euler: ihr seit lüstig
    Wol Euler: informal-you plural is "ihr"
    Alfred Kelberry: ok
    Alfred Kelberry: seit?
    Wol Euler: sind -> seit
    Wol Euler: second person plural informal present tense
    Alfred Kelberry: ah
    Alfred Kelberry: what's second singular?
    Wol Euler: du
    Wol Euler: du bist lüstig
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, then why witzig?
    Wol Euler: lüstig means cheerful; witzig means humourous
    Alfred Kelberry: hmm
    Agatha Macbeth: brb - toilet
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, what's present continuous?
    Alfred Kelberry: ich bin shrhiben
    Wol Euler: mmmmm, probably identical to normal present. there is no explicit future tense either, you distinguish it by context


    Alfred Kelberry: ok
    Alfred Kelberry: so, ich schreibe
    Wol Euler: yep
    Wol Euler: can mean either right now, or what do you do for a living
    Wol Euler: both time-senses work
    Alfred Kelberry: past: ich shreib (losing the e - is it a rule?)
    Wol Euler: ich schrieb (i before e)
    Wol Euler: which is a literary form
    Wol Euler: normally you'd say "ich habe geschrieben"
    Alfred Kelberry: i wrote
    Alfred Kelberry: hmm
    Agatha Macbeth: back
    Wol Euler: wb
    Agatha Macbeth: ty
    Alfred Kelberry: how did it go?
    Agatha Macbeth: Down the pan :p
    Alfred Kelberry: good aim :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm, it helps I find
    Alfred Kelberry: what is "habe" exacty?
    Agatha Macbeth: Makes a hell of a mess on the floor else
    Alfred Kelberry: woly is in a teachers' mode
    Wol Euler: "have"
    Agatha Macbeth: Bless her
    Wol Euler: I have, in fact
    Alfred Kelberry: neat
    Alfred Kelberry: i have = ich habe
    Wol Euler: yep
    Alfred Kelberry: what's with the ge prefix?
    Alfred Kelberry: geschrieben
    Wol Euler: generic past-tense construction
    Agatha Macbeth: Past participle
    Wol Euler: that too
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, participle
    Agatha Macbeth: Anglo-saxon had it too
    Alfred Kelberry: no, past is schrieb
    Wol Euler: both are
    Wol Euler: there's a literary form and a colloquial form
    Wol Euler: ich schrieb
    Wol Euler: ich habe geschrieben
    Agatha Macbeth: Like French?
    Wol Euler: I guess, can't remember
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Alfred Kelberry: when is literally form used?
    Wol Euler: in formal writing
    Wol Euler: only
    Wol Euler: never in speech
    Wol Euler: not even by politicians
    Alfred Kelberry: like law documents?
    Wol Euler: possibly
    Alfred Kelberry: is the ge prefix a rule?
    Wol Euler: yep
    Alfred Kelberry: neat
    Alfred Kelberry: so...
    Agatha Macbeth: But you don't use it with verbs that end in -ieren I think?
    Alfred Kelberry: ich habe getrinken?
    Wol Euler: getrunken
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Agatha Macbeth: Strong verb
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, like drunk
    Agatha Macbeth: yep
    Alfred Kelberry: drank
    Wol Euler: yes, true
    Wol Euler: (aggers)
    Agatha Macbeth: Only one of me :)
    Alfred Kelberry: aga! you speak german?
    Agatha Macbeth: Sorta
    Alfred Kelberry: cool
    Alfred Kelberry: say something
    Agatha Macbeth: Guten abend Boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: not acht yet?
    Agatha Macbeth: Way after acht where i am :p
    Agatha Macbeth: Nearly mittenacht :)
    Alfred Kelberry: heh
    Wol Euler: well after mittenacht
    Agatha Macbeth: give or take half an hour
    Alfred Kelberry: woly madchen
    Wol Euler: mädchen :)
    Wol Euler: if you want to get it right
    Agatha Macbeth: Don't forget yer umlaut Boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, if we do this every day, i'll be fluent in a year, woly :)
    Alfred Kelberry: don't have them here, aga :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Neither do we :p
    Wol Euler: sure
    Agatha Macbeth: I just happen to know the unicode symbols
    Alfred Kelberry: which layout do you use, woly?
    Alfred Kelberry: aga! advanced madchen you
    Wol Euler: layout?
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Alfred Kelberry: german keyboard
    Wol Euler: qwertzuiopü
    Wol Euler: top row
    Wol Euler: asdfghjklöä
    Wol Euler: middle row
    Alfred Kelberry: is it german or german ibm?
    Wol Euler: yxcvbnm bottom row
    Wol Euler: oh, no idea. german german
    Wol Euler shrugs
    Agatha Macbeth: where's the ß?
    Wol Euler: numbers, next to 0
    Agatha Macbeth: right
    Wol Euler: 1234567890ß
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah


    Alfred Kelberry: i don't like this layout
    Agatha Macbeth: danke schön
    Alfred Kelberry: is there an anglicized one?
    Alfred Kelberry: aha, think i found it
    Agatha Macbeth stretches
    Alfred Kelberry: y-z swap is silly
    Alfred Kelberry: grr
    Wol Euler shrugs
    Agatha Macbeth: think I'll leave you pair to your German lesson
    Alfred Kelberry: aww
    Alfred Kelberry: *grabs aga's foot*
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Agatha Macbeth: Nyaa
    Wol Euler: goodngiht aggers, take care
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Wol Euler: see you tomorrow at fracture?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes indeed :)
    Alfred Kelberry: ja, gehen?
    Agatha Macbeth: Schlaf gut ♥
    Wol Euler: dir auch y3
    Wol Euler: ♥
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, indeed in german?
    Wol Euler: ja, tatsächlich
    Alfred Kelberry: mädchen!
    Alfred Kelberry: crap, where is the semicolon/!"§$§)=)%$(
    Alfred Kelberry: :::
    Alfred Kelberry: :P
    Alfred Kelberry: :=)))(
    Alfred Kelberry: damn, all emicons are f*cked
    Alfred Kelberry: ß
    Alfred Kelberry: ? found it!!!
    Alfred Kelberry: ???????
    Alfred Kelberry: hä!
    Alfred Kelberry: wölz
    Alfred Kelberry: wöly
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Alfred Kelberry: böxy
    Alfred Kelberry: sö, höw äre yöu?
    Alfred Kelberry: *shows off*
    Alfred Kelberry: ich wollen tee?
    Wol Euler: no
    Wol Euler: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: grr
    Wol Euler: do you want it now?
    Wol Euler: or wanted it (but no longer)
    Alfred Kelberry: zep
    Wol Euler: ich will tee (but that is very rude, you'd have to be king to say that)
    Wol Euler: ich möchte tee
    Alfred Kelberry: ha! whz is that?
    Wol Euler: I would like some tea
    Alfred Kelberry: so, zou cant even saz it to someone?
    Alfred Kelberry: as a statement
    Wol Euler: it is veyr rude to say it like that, but it is technically correct
    Alfred Kelberry: meh
    Alfred Kelberry: danke
    Alfred Kelberry: so a boss generallz doesnt saz ich will this and that done?
    Wol Euler: only if he is pissed off and giving orders in anger
    Wol Euler: as I said: it#s rude
    Alfred Kelberry: ah
    Alfred Kelberry: interesting
    Alfred Kelberry: germans are polite :)


    Alfred Kelberry: how about the difference between "i want this done" and "i need this to be done"?
    Alfred Kelberry: is there a less rude "need" address?
    Wol Euler: brauche
    Wol Euler: ich brauche ...
    Alfred Kelberry: also, did zour boss ever saz ich will this done? :)
    Wol Euler: maybe, I don#t remember
    Wol Euler: just trust me, okay?
    Alfred Kelberry: ich brauche is not rude?
    Wol Euler: no
    Alfred Kelberry: i do wollein .)
    Alfred Kelberry: ich brauche tee bitter - ok?
    Alfred Kelberry: as in möchte, but more demanding, correct?
    Wol Euler: bitte, if you mean "please"
    Alfred Kelberry: zes
    Wol Euler: yes, but it#s a bit bare
    Wol Euler: correct, but we wouldn't say it that way
    Wol Euler: it's not offensive, but it sounds odd
    Alfred Kelberry: how would zou saz
    Wol Euler: I'd say "I would like some tea please"
    Wol Euler: ich möchte etwas tee, bitte
    Alfred Kelberry: no, wish brauche
    Wol Euler: möchte is very polite wanting ;)
    Alfred Kelberry: with
    Wol Euler: brauche is a bit emphatic for this
    Wol Euler: ich brauche a blood transfusion else I will die
    Wol Euler: that fits
    Wol Euler: but nobody needs tea that badly :)
    Alfred Kelberry: heh
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, when is the next lesson?
    Alfred Kelberry: tomorrow morning?
    Wol Euler: heh
    Alfred Kelberry: agreed :)
    Wol Euler: let's play it by ear, okay?
    Alfred Kelberry: what happened to "organize everything"? :)
    Wol Euler: this isn't a retreat :-P
    Alfred Kelberry: heh
    Wol Euler: and it isn't a weekend long
    Wol Euler: and it doesn't involve two 5-hour train rides
    Alfred Kelberry: 5 hours on a train is fun
    Wol Euler: sure, but it is five hours
    Alfred Kelberry: it's not like 7 days :)
    Alfred Kelberry: from east to west
    Alfred Kelberry: fun too though
    Alfred Kelberry: well
    Wol Euler: ,,h,,
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Alfred Kelberry: time to poof
    Wol Euler: yep
    Wol Euler: me too
    Wol Euler: goodnight, boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: guten acht wollein madchen
    Wol Euler: gute nahct, boxy-boy
    Alfred Kelberry: danke schon for lehren
    Alfred Kelberry: or something
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Wol Euler: gerne geschehen
    Alfred Kelberry: eek :)
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, auf :)
    Alfred Kelberry: wuff!

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