2012.01.04 07:00 - btw ... what is Charm ?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was oO0Oo Resident. The comments are by oO0Oo Resident.

    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Boxy :)
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Alfred Kelberry: i'm not really here, sorry :)
    oO0Oo Resident: By that, I take it you mean that, your attention in RL is elsewhere? ;)
    oO0Oo Resident: and ..that's fine.. np
    oO0Oo Resident smiles.. Hiya Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: hi all
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Xir... :) Just about to pause :)


    Riddle Sideways: had real trouble getting here
    oO0Oo Resident: *here*
    Boxy-Riddle.jpgAlfred Kelberry: xiri, little elephant :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hello Rid, Sam, Boxy! :)
    Alfred Kelberry: no trouble here. all fine.
    Alfred Kelberry: what client, riddle?
    Riddle Sideways: the trouble is on RL computers side :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Glad you made it :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: boxy... is your head changing colours today?
    Alfred Kelberry: xiri, you always add a spanish charm into the session with your presence :)
    Alfred Kelberry: nope, same
    Riddle Sideways: #1 computer will not run any of the 3 viewers on it
    Xirana Oximoxi: hehe wow what a nice comment boxy!! :)
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: *Catalonian charm* a difference?
    Xirana Oximoxi: well... we are very close but you are right Sam..it's my Catalonian charm:))
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: and also charm is a riddle .. don't you agree :)))
    Xirana Oximoxi: I absolutley agree!! :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Welcome Yaku :)
    Riddle Sideways: no, American have little charm
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Yak
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    oO0Oo Resident: You are an exception .. if true Riddle
    Alfred Kelberry: *throws a snowball at yaku* :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: and also Sam's canadian charm, and Yaku's german, and Boxy's English charm!! :)
    oO0Oo Resident: But.. I have met many charming Americans
    Riddle Sideways: :) always thought would have better if born in a charm culture
    Alfred Kelberry: gee, so many charms around :)
    oO0Oo Resident: pavilion as charm bracelet
    Riddle Sideways: btw ... what is Charm ?
    oO0Oo Resident: ah :)))
    oO0Oo Resident: great question
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: warm people
    Alfred Kelberry: "the power or quality of giving delight or arousing admiration"
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: xiri does that :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: boxy is charming :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: :P
    Alfred Kelberry: er... thank you :)
    oO0Oo Resident thinks of sparkle in eyes
    Riddle Sideways: yes, boxy is charming
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bruce :)
    Riddle Sideways: hiya Bruce
    Xirana Oximoxi: hello Bruce!
    oO0Oo Resident: Bruce :)
    Alfred Kelberry: how are you? all went well with the doc?
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Boxy! and everyone!!
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh gosh -- will see a vascular specialist in two hours...
    Alfred Kelberry: ah
    Bruce Mowbray: anyway, feeling better now.
    Bruce Mowbray: thanks for caring.
    Alfred Kelberry: good *pats your back* :)
    Bruce Mowbray: TY, so much.
    Bruce Mowbray: How are the New Years resolutions going, folks?
    Riddle Sideways: good luck
    Alfred Kelberry: we've been talking about charm
    Bruce Mowbray: ahhhh! a charming topic, to be sure.
    Alfred Kelberry: um, i'm working on it, bruce :)
    Riddle Sideways: new years resolution are so charming on others
    Alfred Kelberry: hehe
    oO0Oo Resident thinks there is an aspect to grace under pressure that is very charming
    Bruce Mowbray find Boxy already to be quite charming.
    Alfred Kelberry: *gets rosy cheeks*
    Alfred Kelberry: thank you :)
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Riddle Sideways thinks Sam uses the dictionary a lot
    Riddle Sideways: knows speeling and meanings
    Alfred Kelberry: or the dictionary uses sam :)
    Bruce Mowbray is afk for just a sec.
    Riddle Sideways: who typed that then?
    oO0Oo Resident: One can *be* charmed? a spell cast? a deception?
    oO0Oo Resident: how about .. a *charmed* place?
    Riddle Sideways: that spelling charm again
    Riddle Sideways: a charming kitty right in face
    oO0Oo Resident: charming feels softer to me in a way.. rounder edges
    oO0Oo Resident: than what?
    Riddle Sideways: charm flows
    Bruce Mowbray: Is "charmed" like "enchanted" -- or like infatuated - - or what?
    Xirana Oximoxi: I suppose the word 'charm' has also subtle meanings for everyone
    Alfred Kelberry: oh! had the same thought, bruce :)


    Riddle Sideways: charm is also one of the weak magnetic forces on quarks
    Bruce Mowbray: I have learned it's best to be very polite, courteous, respectful, obedient, and submissive to doctors - - so, I am consciously trying to be sort-of charming when I have to see them.
    Xirana Oximoxi: that happens too to professors:)
    Bruce Mowbray: so, maybe "charming" could also be "sucking-up".
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Riddle Sideways: but, remember to get a second opinion
    Xirana Oximoxi: and I am the kind of telling things I don't like... but lately I have learned to rest silent..much better results
    Alfred Kelberry: *nods to riddle*
    oO0Oo Resident: charm seems to carry influence of various kinds
    oO0Oo Resident: magical, personal, intentional, graceful etc

    Alfred Kelberry: archy :)

    Riddle Sideways: but no PHD in charm available
    oO0Oo Resident: Heya Arch !


    Xirana Oximoxi: hello Arch!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey arch
    Bruce Mowbray likes "graceful" - -
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Arch
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Arch.
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello
    Bruce Mowbray: We've been discussing "Charm," Arch.
    Riddle Sideways: we are talking about charm, charming etc.
    Archmage Atlantis: k
    Archmage Atlantis: will listen
    oO0Oo Resident: Nice to see you Arch
    Bruce Mowbray: There used to be something called "Charm Schools" -- where young girls were sent to learn how to --- WHAT??? - - -
    Archmage Atlantis: Actually, I am not good at listening
    Riddle Sideways: taught to be charming
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce :)
    Bruce Mowbray: TAught to "charm" the boys?
    Riddle Sideways: and there were 'finishing' schools, which are really hard to understand
    Archmage Atlantis: Charm Scools are a travestity for stong women
    Bruce Mowbray: I agree, Arch.
    Bruce Mowbray: It feels highly sexist to me.
    oO0Oo Resident: Are manners and decorum a feature of charm.. and how about connection with nature, earth and aesthetics, or transcendent principles?
    Bruce Mowbray: although Miss Manners would probably disagree with us.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Sam -- one would hope that "charm" would involve natural beauty and grace.
    Archmage Atlantis: manners and decorum can be a way of communication.......and a way of 'putting' down
    Bruce Mowbray ponders "charm" as a inward quality rather than an outward appearance.
    oO0Oo Resident: I tend to feel that charming people help me feel more at ease.. so.. happy to be around them..
    Xirana Oximoxi: I also feel 'charm' is sometimes a natural way to behave... not the learned one, manners and decorum
    Archmage Atlantis: I have offended friends by just being as I am
    Archmage Atlantis: Charm, for me, adds a layer of false
    Bruce Mowbray: The Elephant Man was said to be very charming.
    Bruce Mowbray: in spite of his looks.
    oO0Oo Resident: so.. perhaps there is a blessing.. of a kind.. manifested in charm.. that is aligned with natural things...
    oO0Oo Resident: not forced, or layered
    oO0Oo Resident: genuine?
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, I feel that's true, Sam.
    Bruce Mowbray: a flowing genuineness - - that is perceivable to others.
    Bruce Mowbray: not just a "persona" - -
    Archmage Atlantis: Samúð....we are all small
    oO0Oo Resident tries to find a balance in stimulating conversation.. with allowing and openness
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: can be tricky
    Riddle Sideways: Grandmother Falk was a southern bell of the first order. Genuine charm radiated from her.
    Riddle Sideways: and she drew conversation out of everybody
    Archmage Atlantis: The devil is in the details....I think that is a US american saying...but I do not know for sure
    Bruce Mowbray: I've been reading of Carl Jung recently . . . and he writes of "persona identification" - in which the individual is preoccupied with IMAGE. . . (reminds me of American political campaigns).


    Archmage Atlantis: Michelle Obama said "I own my own happiness"....to which I add.....I own my own reality.
    Bruce Mowbray: the full weight of that type of personality resides in (or hides? -- or identifies with) that person's IMAGE -- how he feels he is being perceived by others. (The stuff of political cartoons.)
    Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps your reality IS your happiness, Arch.
    Bruce Mowbray: I would hope so.
    oO0Oo Resident: what about that aspect of charm.. it's roots in magic? a charm bracelet.. an object.. a spell? http://is.gd/KahNZf
    oO0Oo Resident: "A yet stronger power than that of herb or stone lies in the spoken word, and all nations use it both for blessing and cursing." (Source same as previous link)
    Alfred Kelberry: berty :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Arch, you said of manners and decorum.. could be used two ways
    Riddle Sideways: so charmed = under a spell
    Bertram Jacobus: hi everybody :-)
    Riddle Sideways: Hiya Bert
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Bertram :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bertram :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Bertram!
    Bruce Mowbray ponders Tantric meditations as self-charming.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Bert!
    oO0Oo Resident: Mantras
    Riddle Sideways: Bert, we are talking charm
    oO0Oo Resident: very much like charms

    Bruce Mowbray is charmed by Bert's shirt.


    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: "But these, to be effective, must be choice, well knit, rhythmic words (verba concepta), must have lilt and tune; hence all that is strong in the speech wielded by priest, physician, magician, is allied to the forms of poetry." (sourced again from the above Online Etymology Dictionary entry for 'Charm')
    Bertram Jacobus: ty bruce and riddle ! :-)
    Bruce Mowbray ponders elocution training.
    Bruce Mowbray: elocution Look up elocution at Dictionary.com mid-15c., from L.L. elocutionem (nom. elocutio) "voice production, manner of expression," in classical Latin, "oratorical expression," noun of action from pp. stem of eloqui "speak out" (see eloquence).
    Bruce Mowbray: I watched a movie this weekend titled "YES" - - The entire script was in iambic pentameter -- as in Shakespeare's plays.

            Iambic Pentameter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iambic_pentameter

    Bruce Mowbray: I was "charmed" by the dialogues...
    Archmage Atlantis: Speaking to Samúð being a priest, pyhsician, magician
    Bruce Mowbray: and felt moved to listen ever more carefully.
    Archmage Atlantis: at times, it can be difficult
    Archmage Atlantis: That is where faith can be important
    Archmage Atlantis: We belive
    Bruce Mowbray: Don't the audiences of priests, magicians, and physicians have to WANT to listen?
    Archmage Atlantis: What may come is not ours to decide
    Archmage Atlantis: We can still believe
    Riddle Sideways: Bruce, beware the doctor charming you with poetry rather then brilliance
    Archmage Atlantis: I the good
    Bruce Mowbray would love more poetic docs.
    oO0Oo Resident: "It's really all about your point of view.. depending on where you are standing" (Yes Trailer)
    Riddle Sideways: it seems to always be so, sam
    oO0Oo Resident: yes..... Riddle
    Bruce Mowbray: An excellent movie -- thanks for that trailer, Sam.
    Archmage Atlantis: Is poetry not brilliant , Riddle?
    Riddle Sideways: yeah, should have used more factual word




    Xirana Oximoxi: yes! thanks for the trailer and the recommendation of the film.. I must go now, I will see it later! bye bye to all... have a nice day!
    Bruce Mowbray: I also must go -- get ready to see the poetic doc.
    Bruce Mowbray: May all be well!
    Riddle Sideways: bye Xir
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye xirana
    Archmage Atlantis: Namaste brother
    Riddle Sideways: take care bruce
    oO0Oo Resident waves to Xir :) Go well into your dignity Bruce ((((*))))
    Bertram Jacobus: bye all leaving or having left persons ... ;o)
    Riddle Sideways: btw - who has the chat log today?
    Alfred Kelberry: not you? :)
    oO0Oo Resident: I have claimed it Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: ty
    oO0Oo Resident: pleasure
    Riddle Sideways: ha, read you charmed it
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, i think it's an open session. thank you, sam.
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, the wiki shows the guardian time as open
    Riddle Sideways: the title should be pretty easy

    Yakuzza Lethecus: be well and charmed by the day


    Bertram Jacobus: bye yaku
    Riddle Sideways: thanks, Yak
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Yaku :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Namaste
    Alfred Kelberry: i miss pema
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: some do. where is he ?
    oO0Oo Resident: .. speaking of charm..
    Alfred Kelberry: he doesn't come often these days
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: He is in Japan
    Archmage Atlantis: Pema has an entire country to be with
    Riddle Sideways: is in a diff time zone
    Archmage Atlantis: His wife is Japonese
    Archmage Atlantis: He has to have been very affected
    Alfred Kelberry: how?
    Bertram Jacobus: i didn´t meet him since months i guess ... at least it feels like that
    Archmage Atlantis: It is a big new world...same as the old world....we see more now
    Bertram Jacobus: but there is a weekly slot he has, isn´t it ? so one could see him once a week, if urgently desired ! (?) ;-)
    Riddle Sideways: reading logs and 99day comments keeps the feeling of connected with several friends


    oO0Oo Resident: There is so much ... yes Riddle, was going to say the same.. and gives insights into what people juggle in their lives
    Alfred Kelberry: berty, i think so
    Bertram Jacobus: boxy ... :-)
    oO0Oo Resident: I sometimes long to be with people...
    Riddle Sideways: and sometimes not
    Riddle Sideways: hard to be with people at 1am
    Riddle Sideways: and chat charmingly
    Archmage Atlantis: Samúð, u are with ppl
    Bertram Jacobus: harder at 4 am ;o)
    Archmage Atlantis: just in a non-traditional way
    Bertram Jacobus: brave new world ? ...
    Archmage Atlantis: Emphasis on Brave....ok
    Bertram Jacobus: !
    Bertram Jacobus: ;-)
    Riddle Sideways: well this has been charming, but must be going
    oO0Oo Resident: yes.. and yes.. and yes.. and... night owls, and particular preferences felt at times, and rhythms and rhymes, and alternate times, and sublimes.. round corners .. finds? or grinds? or settling .. and breathing.. and easing.. or sneezing.. mind contents.. infectious..
    Bertram Jacobus: bye riddle :-)
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    oO0Oo Resident smiles.. Thanks for coming Riddle.. glad to see you.
    Bertram Jacobus: desolée : my english is too poor - as you all already know to appreciate your lines enough sam ... :-/
    Riddle Sideways: infectious charm


    Bertram Jacobus: but nevertheless i appreciate very much the group and the possibilities to learn ... so ty everybody and cu soon again - i´ll leave now - ty ! *wave* - and may all beings be happy please ...
    oO0Oo Resident: All beings be happy ! yes
    oO0Oo Resident: (((Bert)))
    Archmage Atlantis: So, Sam, you, Bert, Boxy and I
    Archmage Atlantis: for this discussion
    oO0Oo Resident: Bert has left, but yes Arch?

    Boxy's nose: Samúð softly kisses boxy's nose
    Boxy's nose: Samúð clicks boxy's nose


            ... longish pause






    Archmage Atlantis: I mmy mind


    Archmage Atlantis: there is a moment in human history
    Archmage Atlantis: that is occurring now
    Archmage Atlantis: I tend to tie eras to religious leaders
    Archmage Atlantis: Abraham. Lao Tze, Sidharrtha, Mohammed,


    Archmage Atlantis: And the epochs to the future
    oO0Oo Resident: It's all very grand Arch
    oO0Oo Resident: Part of some bigness
    oO0Oo Resident: and momentous moments
    Archmage Atlantis: Yep, Sam, I tend to be grandiose
    Archmage Atlantis: It is a flaw


    oO0Oo Resident: well.. I mean to say.. that there is both.. the dot and the sky
    oO0Oo Resident: the extraordinary and the ordinary
    oO0Oo Resident: hand in hand
    Archmage Atlantis: accept
    oO0Oo Resident: to feel both.. either.. neither.. seems OK
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Alfred Kelberry: er, have to scoot
    oO0Oo Resident: hi :)
    Alfred Kelberry: be well you two
    Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
    oO0Oo Resident: wuff! :) tc Boxy
    Archmage Atlantis: In rl, there is a dog who has been coming around...she is a blue eyed huskie
    Archmage Atlantis: Her nam is KYa
    Archmage Atlantis: tho others spell it Kaya
    Archmage Atlantis: I seek the animal
    Archmage Atlantis: Ty for your time, Sam
    Archmage Atlantis: later
    oO0Oo Resident: Thanks Arch :)


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