2012.01.05 13:00 - Can we startle beyond the fishbowl?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia. The comments are by SophiaSharon Larnia.
    The title for this session was taken by a line Eliza spoke toward the end of this session. I'm not sure how appropriate it is for the entire log, but it's a valid question :) This session was attended by Archmage oO0Oo, Qt, Korel, Wol, Aphrodite, Multi Eliza and myself.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Arch :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello SSl.... the mass for Christ has passed
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm not sure if I'm releived about that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: like life getting back to normal or something
    SophiaSharon Larnia: whatever that is
    SophiaSharon Larnia: did you have a good holiday?
    Archmage Atlantis: It is odd. i believe, yet I do no beieve what many believe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Sam :) hi
    oO0Oo Resident: Hiya SSL, Arch :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, it was A god hoilday
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: saw valentines chocolate in a store yesterday
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    oO0Oo Resident: <3
    SophiaSharon Larnia: my next thought was: give me one day at a time please
    Archmage Atlantis: So right
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: today is this day, that day is another
    Archmage Atlantis: we rush through the holidays
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, after the 2 month or so build up
    Archmage Atlantis: And forget why they exist
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :)
    oO0Oo Resident: We are pushed to measure our time by consumption, and the environment is all on sale. Makes me want to hide away.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods in agreement
    Archmage Atlantis: That it is on sale, that is an illusion Sam
    SophiaSharon Larnia: although ill take valentine chocolate on any day
    Archmage Atlantis: It outlasts us all
    SophiaSharon Larnia: are there holidays if you are on a retreat? or hiding away? :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Truely, the chocolate in Hershey PA is fresh an wonderful
    oO0Oo Resident: Yet hiding.. hmmm.. maybe not a good idea.. maybe changing my disposition.. and yes.. I like chocolate.. and Arch.. I simply mean the visual auditory / billboardy nature in our surrounds.. not "The Environment"
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Arch, as I can attest for myself haha
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the next, best thing. Why is it our nature, it doesn't seem fair somehow
    Archmage Atlantis: We are strong, we are woman......Oh wait, imma guy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: grins
    oO0Oo Resident: We may be surprised to find our nature here
    Archmage Atlantis: my mom was a strong woman
    SophiaSharon Larnia: seems to be taught, do you think its intrinsic to human nature?
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Qt :)
    Archmage Atlantis: She was born b4 women could vote in this country
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Qt :)
    Qt Core: Hi all1
    oO0Oo Resident: intrinsic SSL? What are you referring to?
    Korel Laloix: Heya
    Qt Core: hI kOREL
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the push to measure our time by consumption, the grasping for something else
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Korel :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Oseyi..(mee thinks)
    oO0Oo Resident: ☆*¨¨*:•.•:*¨* hallo hello osiyo hi holla *¨¨*:•.•:*¨*☆
    Korel Laloix smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Aph :)
    Qt Core: hi Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello everyone
    Korel Laloix: Heya
    oO0Oo Resident: Personally I think those materialistic forces are an add on SSL
    Korel Laloix: SSL?
    oO0Oo Resident: SophiaSharonLarnia :)))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yess :)
    Wol Euler: evening all!
    Qt Core: Hi Wol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: we were talking about consumption/materialism
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Wol :)
    Wol Euler: thank you, sophia
    Archmage Atlantis: Me mom took me to the tea parlor in Savannah. GA...I suppose there is an if/then....being male and all.....still I loved it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (sorry to talk over the bell, the viewer I'm on is very laggy today!)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Wol- Is it nice to be back?
    Wol Euler: sounds like you are also talking about gender :)
    Wol Euler: yes, thanks, nice to have some me-time and my own bed
    SophiaSharon Larnia: grins
    oO0Oo Resident wonders if Wol was doing handstands or headstands before arriving ;)
    Archmage Atlantis: Me, a bit, Wol
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Korel Laloix: I am not materialistic I dont' think.. Everyting I own inclding my motorcycle will fit in my car.
    Korel Laloix: But I don't really fault those that have a lot of stuff.
    Aphrodite Macbain: You must have a big car!
    Korel Laloix: Just a honda, nothing big.
    SophiaSharon Larnia pictures a mattress sticking out of a car window
    Wol Euler has more than one carfull of books alone
    oO0Oo Resident: SSL noticed valentines chocolates for sale.. so something about how environments can be dictated to a degree by stuff to buy
    Korel Laloix: Makes life simple.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I have things Ive collected over the years, small things, but for the most part got rid of a lot
    Archmage Atlantis: The issue is not the size of the stuff....it is how important it is to oneself
    Aphrodite Macbain: Sometimes it's nice to give away stuff to others; everyone benefits
    oO0Oo Resident: nice point Arch
    Wol Euler nods to Arch
    oO0Oo Resident: The less i have, the easier it has been to give stuff away
    SophiaSharon Larnia: seriously eat using one plate, one bowl, 1-2 cups and a fork and spoon lol
    Korel Laloix: Interesting thought.
    Korel Laloix: I Like that.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the monks have it right
    Aphrodite Macbain: I like to have guests
    Archmage Atlantis: I disagree
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, I mean when its just me
    Wol Euler: Mind you, the value is item-specific (at least for me). I don't care much about my clothes, but I would kill someone who tried to take my computers
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah yes
    Archmage Atlantis: The monks deny themselves
    Korel Laloix: I have done a couple of vocational events at convents.
    Archmage Atlantis: The is much bounty that the creative fore has given us
    Korel Laloix: The convent way of life does have a very powerful draw.
    Wol Euler nods.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Living with community probably has its benefits
    Aphrodite Macbain: sharing everything
    Aphrodite Macbain: including the responsibilities
    Aphrodite Macbain: each to his/her own near each to his/her own capability
    Aphrodite Macbain: need
    oO0Oo Resident: The definition of community, may allow for flexibility in who one thinks one shares the world with
    Korel Laloix: That is a part of the convet life that I found to be ery muhc to my liking as well.. simplicty with responsibility.
    Archmage Atlantis: Very Marx, Aph
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Id like to live in a community like that, not necessarily a convent
    Archmage Atlantis: From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs
    Korel Laloix: Sounds like such a great dream.
    Aphrodite Macbain: hard to make happen though
    Korel Laloix: Impossible really.
    Korel Laloix: It would work as long as you did not let people into the equation.
    Aphrodite Macbain: people think they need more than they do
    Archmage Atlantis: We are not drawn that way
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Ive lived in an area where relatives bought houses on the same street, a small town
    Archmage Atlantis: with apologies to Jessica Rabbit
    Aphrodite Macbain: one need I have is for space, time and quiet
    Wol Euler: noted :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: which are becoming luxury goods
    Korel Laloix: Jessica Rabbit?
    Korel Laloix is looking it up.
    oO0Oo Resident: Replace quiet with knowledge and you have a T. Tulku book ! :)
    Wol Euler: perhaps you do even so, sam :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia wonders if knowledge is quiet :)
    Korel Laloix: lol...nice
    Aphrodite Macbain: Time, knowledge and space?
    Wol Euler: that's the one
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    oO0Oo Resident: This is the book APAPB (I believe) was derived from originally: http://is.gd/g37kX9
    SophiaSharon Larnia: youtube is my main info source too these days lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: We have many reasons to be happy and we have many opportunities to be happy, but we say that we don’t have time. Really, we don’t have the courage to take all these opportunities. T Tulku
    Wol Euler: that's it sam, and OMG they have a copy! wow.
    oO0Oo Resident notices Jessica's advanced avatar physics
    Aphrodite Macbain: I I have the book -ordered it from Amazon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I have a copy as well, and am not sure if I got through it all or not
    Aphrodite Macbain: who is Jessica when she's at home?
    Wol Euler: back (was ordering it)
    Wol Euler: most people find it takes several readings, sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: I gather pema has read it many times...
    oO0Oo Resident: maybe combining the values of environmentally friendly consumerism.. only buy books that one will certainly read.. or something like that
    Archmage Atlantis: Some of us have lived it, Sophia
    Wol Euler: hello multi
    Archmage Atlantis: judt dying
    Korel Laloix: I still love the feel of a real book in my hands vs my reader.
    Aphrodite Macbain: or pass on the books to others
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Multiverse :)
    Qt Core: hi Multi
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Multi
    Multiverse1 Resident: Hi all, what book?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I've been considering a reader
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Multi
    Wol Euler: Time Space and Knowledge
    Wol Euler: one of the foundations of the group
    Archmage Atlantis: I still love my Dad's voice, tell me the stories
    Multiverse1 Resident: author?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: http://is.gd/g37kX9
    Multiverse1 Resident: thx
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (thanks Sam)
    Wol Euler: Tarthang Tulku (always have to look up the spelling :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Tarhang Tulku Multi
    Aphrodite Macbain: arthang
    Aphrodite Macbain: arg
    Multiverse1 Resident: hang art me
    Aphrodite Macbain: Tarthang
    Archmage Atlantis: In the beginning, there was an idea......we could see it......but times became fogger
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its not light reading, a book to rush through to grab another
    Aphrodite Macbain: I read a bit a day
    Archmage Atlantis: So we began to search
    Aphrodite Macbain: cafe latte and Tarthang
    oO0Oo Resident: or give up searching
    Wol Euler: "find, not search" as Picasso said
    Aphrodite Macbain: easy for him to say
    Wol Euler: sure, he was good at finding
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ive been thinking about that lately if im capable of stop searching
    oO0Oo Resident: hard to give up finding.. but searching .. maybe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: to just turn it off :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I will always search as I'm curious why...
    Archmage Atlantis: Once something is found, is there not a new seardh after?
    Aphrodite Macbain: depends on the person
    oO0Oo Resident: appearances continue.. it seems
    Aphrodite Macbain: some may be happy with what they have found
    Aphrodite Macbain: some may want to find out more.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i guess it would depend ... stop searching because you are able to rest in what is and appreciate it for its shiny sparkling appearance :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: not sure if it leads to happiness
    Aphrodite Macbain: it just leads to the next question
    Aphrodite Macbain: the next search
    Archmage Atlantis: After all, what part of infinite do we not understand.
    Korel Laloix: The questionsare far more important than the answers.
    Aphrodite Macbain smiles at Arch
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the questions are not forthcoming, and if the questions lead to frustration on some level, than what is left
    Multiverse1 Resident: learning
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i mean the answers are not forthcoming, sorry
    Archmage Atlantis: what is left is the moment
    Aphrodite Macbain: the next moment in time
    Multiverse1 Resident: the next question is obvious
    Aphrodite Macbain: what is the next question arch?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it's almost like the question weighs heavier than the answer, but i can't belive I'm actually considering that right now lol
    Archmage Atlantis: A - I don't think about the next question
    Archmage Atlantis: G - I don't know what the next question iw
    Aphrodite Macbain: why is it obvious then?
    Archmage Atlantis: C _ I'm just a monkey with impossible thumbs and poor spelling
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: aww
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm just a monkey who needs to put herself to be with this yukky cold.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Aph. hope you feel better!!!
    Qt Core: bye aph, take care
    Wol Euler: gute besserung, aph!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Maybe I'll read some more Tulku
    Wol Euler: take care
    Archmage Atlantis: Blrddingd snf zznsmsdyr
    Aphrodite Macbain: Danke Wol
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Arch
    Multiverse1 Resident: bye aph
    oO0Oo Resident: bye Aph
    Multiverse1 Resident: what if the answer to a question is another question or a questionable answer, I wonder. Is the journey complete?
    Multiverse1 Resident: Is it then a new question/
    Wol Euler: pretty short and simple journey if it is :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it seems like a loop
    Multiverse1 Resident: or perpetual
    Wol Euler: consider how children keep on asking "why?"
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes exactly
    Multiverse1 Resident: so is it the question we seekk an answer to or the steps along the way
    Qt Core: wich is a better way to spend life, stay put in an answer glory or traveling in search of an answer ?
    Multiverse1 Resident: depends on the question and it's importance
    oO0Oo Resident: Don't want to answer that Qt ;)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Multiverse1 Resident: what time is it? or will you marry me, for example
    Qt Core: the old question about the destination and the trip
    Multiverse1 Resident: I enjoy the journey more than the answer usually
    Multiverse1 Resident: sometimes I don't want the answer
    oO0Oo Resident: 2 PM SLT and Yes Wol
    Wol Euler: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: (some things just have to bypass the bell)
    Korel Laloix: Answers are overrated I think.
    Wol Euler: hello eliza, happy new year!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Eliza :)
    Qt Core: as you even end up answering question you didn't even asked
    Multiverse1 Resident: that was my thought
    Eliza Madrigal: Happy New Year, welcome back Wol :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Happy New Year Eliza :)
    Wol Euler: ty, lovely to be here with you again
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I have to log off, take care everyone :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sophia, Hi Qt, Hi Korel, Hi Multi
    Multiverse1 Resident: Happy Eliza, 2012
    Eliza Madrigal: Happy New Year Sam :) Multi to...
    Qt Core: hi eliza, bye Sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
    Eliza Madrigal: *too, hah
    Multiverse1 Resident: Bye Sophiia
    Eliza Madrigal: sorry to miss the whole session Sophia
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Violet
    Wol Euler: bye sophia, hello violet
    Multiverse1 Resident: hi Violet
    oO0Oo Resident: Bye SSL
    Ataraxia Azemus: Hi Eliza, Wol, everyone :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    oO0Oo Resident: Atari !
    Ataraxia Azemus: Hi Sam :)
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: am judging by appearances that today isn't a WoK day?
    Wol Euler: heheh, nobody in the cafe
    Ataraxia Azemus: I popped in, just in case, but yeah...looks empty
    Wol Euler: so I guess not
    Eliza Madrigal: the appearance of non appearance
    oO0Oo Resident: May have to put of knowing .. until..
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eliza Madrigal makes note
    oO0Oo Resident: there is a way
    Eliza Madrigal: "no knowing"
    Ataraxia Azemus: Where there's a will... :)
    oO0Oo Resident: no doing either
    Eliza Madrigal: no doing nothing
    Wol Euler: know without knowing, like wu wei
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    oO0Oo Resident pours the tea
    Multiverse1 Resident: not like undoig
    Multiverse1 Resident: underdoing
    Multiverse1 Resident: non-starter maybe
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Ataraxia Azemus: Oh, I have to go....sorry, everyone. Be well! :)
    Wol Euler: bye vi, take care
    Korel Laloix: Need to go as well...
    Qt Core: time to go for me too, bye all
    Wol Euler: bye korel, take care
    Korel Laloix: Ciao all.. grins
    Eliza Madrigal: bye Korel, Qt :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: Bye Violet and QT
    oO0Oo Resident waves to folks leaving
    Wol Euler: bye qt, sleep well
    oO0Oo Resident: 〜waves〜
    oO0Oo Resident: ☻/
    oO0Oo Resident: /▌
    oO0Oo Resident: / \ 
    Multiverse1 Resident: and Koel
    Multiverse1 Resident: multi feels the waves
    Wol Euler: tide seems to be out now
    Wol Euler: how was the holiday, eliza?
    Multiverse1 Resident: ebb and flow
    Eliza Madrigal: oh... actually it was wonderful
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks for asking
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm not sure if you remember my first trip to see family as a rather new pab-er....
    Eliza Madrigal: but you and Adams waved to me in the logs, and it was really so helpful...
    oO0Oo Resident listens
    Eliza Madrigal: it was a difficult trip
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eliza Madrigal: I had been distant ... and going there was hm...
    Wol Euler listens.
    Eliza Madrigal: well, without pab I might not have gone :)
    Eliza Madrigal: so, belated thanks for that...
    Eliza Madrigal: but this time... so different
    Eliza Madrigal: Amazing
    Eliza Madrigal: warm, welcoming...
    Wol Euler smiles warmly
    Eliza Madrigal: like hm 'was there ever anything wrong?"
    Eliza Madrigal: of course little annoyances but those can be fine in the context of such a shift
    Wol Euler: nice
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks, yes :) my little report
    Wol Euler: sounds like a lovely experience
    Eliza Madrigal: this time too, was so nice to check in with friends and PaB
    Multiverse1 Resident: sounds pleasant , yet a nice surprise then, that is great
    Eliza Madrigal: makes a huge difference somehow
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks :))
    Eliza Madrigal: And for you Wol??
    Eliza Madrigal: any nutloaf?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: it was great actually, I had lots and lots of nutloaf :)
    Wol Euler: after the moose steaks
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Wol Euler: (sister is vegetarian, had a meat-free week with her family)
    Multiverse1 Resident: I was pondering the Moose being a vegetarian also.
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Wol Euler: it probably was :) but my cousin and family and I ate it
    Wol Euler: it's a traditional joke in the family that I stock up on meat there before going to Sis.
    Multiverse1 Resident: I would
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Wol Euler: second week was a chance to practice metta :) with other cousins
    Eliza Madrigal: after a week you probably don't mind as much?
    Multiverse1 Resident: Beefsteak Tomatos?
    Wol Euler: well, I survived the week :)
    Eliza Madrigal: why metta opportunity?
    Wol Euler: there was nothing but casual racism and antisemitism to complain of :)
    Eliza Madrigal: sigh
    Eliza Madrigal: wonder where that fits with Pema's frustration practice
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: sighs 20 tymes
    Wol Euler: hard to know what to do, as a guest in their house, they are my mother#s direct family
    Eliza Madrigal: indeed... very hard positions to be placed in...
    Eliza Madrigal: especially prone to happening on holidays
    Wol Euler: so I just went downstairs from time to time
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Multiverse1 Resident: you cannot change others, only how you deal with them
    Wol Euler: true
    Wol Euler: so I didn't bother trying. just made it clear that I was not taking part in that discussion
    Eliza Madrigal: the only thing I tend to do is, yes just what you describe Wol
    Multiverse1 Resident: a relief I'm sure
    oO0Oo Resident recalls Luci talking of taking herself off to be alone...
    Wol Euler nods.
    oO0Oo Resident: a courageous practice
    Eliza Madrigal: mmmm
    Wol Euler: funny thing is how they see themselves as tolerant and accepting.
    Multiverse1 Resident: meditation, on the practices of others
    Wol Euler: they say things that they would not hesitate to condemn if spoken by e.g. Alabamans about the blacks
    Multiverse1 Resident: some will never grow up, but they are part of our world
    Eliza Madrigal: this is quite an issue.... really hits the heart of why holidays are so stressful for many
    Wol Euler: (apologies to any non-racist Alabamans who might happen to read this)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: we choose our friends, but are at the mercy of our families
    Eliza Madrigal laughs and thinks of Jackie Kennedy saying she hated Wisconsin
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Wol
    Multiverse1 Resident: small steps, can lead to many miles of travels
    Eliza Madrigal: I have one family member... really dear to me but steeped in prejudices...
    Eliza Madrigal: starts many sentences with "I know I'm prejudice but..."
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
    Eliza Madrigal: @@.... but when I hear him...
    Eliza Madrigal: I hear the last 30 years or so and see huge strides
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eliza Madrigal: and huge ways that he has shifted, let go...
    Eliza Madrigal: which doesn't mean I don't leave him in the room by himself if he goes in a certain direction
    Eliza Madrigal: or even leave my own house :)))
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Multiverse1 Resident: Is he a happy person, Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: it is part of being isolated and stuck in a certain time/storyline
    Eliza Madrigal: in many ways no Multi
    Eliza Madrigal: but people are so many things
    Wol Euler nods.
    Multiverse1 Resident: many people
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Multiverse1 Resident: 7 billion of us this day
    Multiverse1 Resident: I have noticed, that large events shape character in many individuals
    Eliza Madrigal: ooh, true
    Wol Euler nods.
    Multiverse1 Resident: "finding god" or such events
    Multiverse1 Resident: health crises
    Wol Euler: sometimes just by allowing them to see clearly for the first time attitudes that they had adopted wihtout ever examining
    oO0Oo Resident thinks.. must get out more often and meet some of these folks before its too late
    Wol Euler: "of course I'm a XXX"
    Multiverse1 Resident: witnessing a major event etc.
    Eliza Madrigal: wars tend to stunt people a bit...
    Multiverse1 Resident: this is the greatest cause to make changes occur
    Wol Euler: :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: I have certain events, "planted " in my brain. Perfect picture memories and inspirations, or solemn things.
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    oO0Oo Resident listens also
    Multiverse1 Resident: Witnessed a man get hit by a car in frint of me and go flying through the air
    Wol Euler: 0.0
    Eliza Madrigal: :(
    Multiverse1 Resident: his sneaker flew past my head, I was 20 feet away
    Multiverse1 Resident: had to run out in the street and call 911
    Multiverse1 Resident: he was bleeding from the head
    Multiverse1 Resident: he died 2 weeks later
    Eliza Madrigal has been the driver in an event similar... thankfully not as serious but didn't know that at the time :(( 
    Horrible horrible
    Wol Euler: I'm sorry you had to see that
    oO0Oo Resident: vivid
    Multiverse1 Resident: the car had the right of way, he just stepped out in front
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes, an example of my point
    Eliza Madrigal: changed you?
    Multiverse1 Resident: I have many such, that inflence my current being
    Multiverse1 Resident: did not change me at all
    Multiverse1 Resident: just a "vivid" stop tyme event
    Eliza Madrigal: nods
    Multiverse1 Resident: Would have hated to be the driver more than myself
    Multiverse1 Resident: the inference was that change happens easiest in such events with people
    Multiverse1 Resident: like war
    Eliza Madrigal: makes one never want to get into a car again, much less drive one, honestly
    Wol Euler nods.
    Multiverse1 Resident: accidents happen
    oO0Oo Resident: remember learning how to drive, and feeling more fully the gravity of the consequences of not doing it right.. then over time.. a familiarity that doesn't quite honor the physics of heavy metal objects hurtling through space
    Multiverse1 Resident: like startling someone makes a spontaneous reation
    Eliza Madrigal: shock...
    Multiverse1 Resident: or something out of left field
    Multiverse1 Resident: a break in the chain
    oO0Oo Resident: wake up call
    Multiverse1 Resident: to stop the recurring "bad" behavior, etc.
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes Sam
    Multiverse1 Resident: exactly
    Eliza Madrigal thinks of the way, when one cooks fresh peas, and then puts them into ice water to stop the cooking... it is a shock , and also then Vivid...
    Multiverse1 Resident: I was thinking of relatives in that way
    Multiverse1 Resident: for instance, my brother and I are distant yet live 10 miles apart
    oO0Oo Resident smiles.. love how vegetables go bright green like that
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: he never calls me, I always do him
    Multiverse1 Resident: So this year for the 1st tyme I sent him a Christmas card
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: Even though I do not celebrate the holiday.
    oO0Oo Resident: thoughtful Multi
    Multiverse1 Resident: What happened? He actually called me.
    Wol Euler smiles.
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Wol Euler: karma in action
    Multiverse1 Resident: change the way you approach
    oO0Oo Resident: a little change.. and ..
    Multiverse1 Resident: Cannot change the individual
    Wol Euler: but you can make an opportunity for them to change themselves
    oO0Oo Resident: remaining open over time...
    Eliza Madrigal: gestures can matter so much ... in this case you know it mattered to him, sometimes one doesn't know I guess, which doesn't mean it doesn't matter
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes, change the things you do, "startle " them
    Wol Euler nods.
    oO0Oo Resident: without agenda.. can be .. hmmm
    Wol Euler: ((back in a sec, RL calls))
    Multiverse1 Resident: Did it for Mom more than my brother
    Eliza Madrigal: so valuable... most valuable
    oO0Oo Resident: caring
    Multiverse1 Resident: I care about even the bigots in Alabama, yes, I feel sad for such individuals.
    oO0Oo Resident: big view.. big heart
    Multiverse1 Resident: no heart, just common sense for me
    Eliza Madrigal: it is true that for many they just don't know... have lived in a small fishbowl...
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Eliza Madrigal: and people reaffirming each other's small stories
    Eliza Madrigal: and fears
    Multiverse1 Resident: we to are in that fishbowl
    oO0Oo Resident: Russian doll fishbowls
    Wol Euler: re-telling tales until htey become "true"
    Eliza Madrigal: yes in many ways
    Eliza Madrigal: can we startle beyond the fishbowl? :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: the winners write " History "
    Wol Euler: I don't think it's impossible, Eliza, but it takes a huge push
    Multiverse1 Resident: Yes Eliza we can
    Wol Euler: because after the push you wake up in the same bed and put on the same clothes ...
    Wol Euler: usually :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: One tiny step at a tyme
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: the trick is not to fall back into pre-push habits
    Multiverse1 Resident: though I'd rather push, I've learned it DOESN'T work!
    Eliza Madrigal: ...right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing...
    Multiverse1 Resident: Teach a man to fish
    Wol Euler: I meant life pushing, not you applying a push to somebody; that seldom works
    oO0Oo Resident: and he joins the Irishman in the fishing boat for a toast?
    Multiverse1 Resident: Life always pushes, just harder at tymes than others
    Multiverse1 Resident: up and down the hills
    Multiverse1 Resident: A Toast to the boat!
    oO0Oo Resident: The hills are alive
    Multiverse1 Resident: A boat made from toast even!
    Wol Euler: if shipwrecked, you can eat it
    Multiverse1 Resident: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    oO0Oo Resident: New object for PP
    Multiverse1 Resident: wheat or rye this day
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: must be melba to last that long
    oO0Oo Resident: Baguette with a sail
    Wol Euler: submarine :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: soggy bread I'm thinking
    Eliza Madrigal thinks this session has jumped the shark... though not sure what that means...
    Multiverse1 Resident: The birds will feast then
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm glad there are holidays, then, contemplating the opportunities they bring for connection and forgiveness and growth
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: on the whole, yes
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe they're in large part an excuse :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: I do celebrate and enjoy the gatherings, It is Most pleasant!
    oO0Oo Resident: Cheers
    Multiverse1 Resident: a Warmness indeed
    Wol Euler: oh, stim just logged on
    Eliza Madrigal: sometimes I enjoy not being in gatherings when everyone else is, too
    oO0Oo Resident: Stim!
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Multiverse1 Resident: sam spoke of someone who retreats?
    oO0Oo Resident: I did?
    Eliza Madrigal: Multi, Stim wrote a book with his teacher Tarthang Tulku, that inspires Pema a lot... and is in large part much to do with PaB beginning
    Multiverse1 Resident: maybe not you, but I read it here in this session
    Eliza Madrigal: he isn't online much now
    Eliza Madrigal: so it is sort of a sighting
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes, when I came here
    Multiverse1 Resident: this? Time, Space & Knowledge: A New Vision of Reality (Nyingma Psychology Series)
    Wol Euler: yep
    Eliza Madrigal: yes!
    Wol Euler: he wrote it, actually, using Tulku's words and ideas
    Multiverse1 Resident: I shall peruse it if I can
    Eliza Madrigal: worthy of the effort
    oO0Oo Resident: I have not met Stim, but feel glad for his being.. :))) Radiates out a hello and goodwill.
    Eliza Madrigal: :) :::radiates too:::
    Multiverse1 Resident: A wondrous resonance
    Wol Euler resonates omfully
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: http://is.gd/g37kX9
    Multiverse1 Resident: a blank page for me sam
    Multiverse1 Resident: I love mantras, resonation
    Multiverse1 Resident: release
    Multiverse1 Resident: thoughtlessness
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: so glad I signed on today, albeit late
    Wol Euler smiles. Good, I'm glad you came too
    Multiverse1 Resident: It has been pleasant, and I thank you all for encompassing my being
    Multiverse1 Resident: be safe and well sam, eliza and wol
    Wol Euler: bye multi, take care
    Eliza Madrigal: thank you :) Be Safe and Well Multi
    Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care, be happy
    oO0Oo Resident: Bye Multi
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Wol, thanks, Welcome Back :), Bye Sam :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Bye Eliza :)
    Wol Euler: I'd marry you too, Sam :)
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Booking the four sim corner plot .. arranging for blimp and so on
    oO0Oo Resident rifles through inventory for a gown
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Wol Euler grins.
    oO0Oo Resident: relaxes and realises it's all good
    Wol Euler: yep :)
    Wol Euler: well if you wear the gown, I guess I should find a tuxedo
    Wol Euler: in latex
    oO0Oo Resident: hahahaha
    oO0Oo Resident: we can do both
    Wol Euler: true
    oO0Oo Resident: a sort of catwalk with a few changes down the aisle
    Wol Euler grins.
    oO0Oo Resident: we both get to throw bouquets too
    Wol Euler: yes!
    oO0Oo Resident: and.. and.. and.. ;)
    oO0Oo Resident: Welcome back Wol.. was so nice how you popped in over the holidays.. and kept checking in to see how i was. Really felt so supported
    Wol Euler: awww <3
    Wol Euler: my pleasure, sam, I was glad to talk to you
    Wol Euler: and you supported me in my hour of need too <3
    oO0Oo Resident: what an amazing hub in times and spaces this pavilion :)
    Wol Euler: indeed :) a gathering of hearts and souls
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: kk Wol I'm off to RL for a bit. Nice to see you :)
    Wol Euler: careful with that RL, sam, I hear it's addictive
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: bye for now, take care
    oO0Oo Resident: not to worry.. I have a time activated leash that pulls me back to the computer after a set period of time. :)
    Wol Euler giggles.
    Wol Euler: very handy.
    oO0Oo Resident: Hehehehe bfn :)
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