2012.01.07 13:00 - Dropping sickness, dropping weight, dropping galaxies

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Aphrodite Macbain. The comments and highlighting are by Aphrodite Macbain.

    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Bruce
    Aphrodite Macbain: GTSY
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi. Aph!
    Bruce Mowbray: Good to see you too.
    Aphrodite Macbain: You're LOOKING well
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Are you going to change your (GOC) time to today from Tuesday?
    Bruce Mowbray: Don't know, Aph. Too much is up in the air right now.
    Bruce Mowbray: You already have a new session scheduled for yourself, right?
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, beginning next Sunday (Jan 15)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I wont be here beginning next Saturday because I have a class
    Bruce Mowbray: Has anyone else taken this one yet?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I don’t think so. I haven't seen anything
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, what if I just began taking your Saturday sessions -- and didn't claim the Tuesdays?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Would this time work for you?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes,, better than Tues, actually.
    Aphrodite Macbain: That would be good- tho I'd make an email announcement to all Pabbers
    Bruce Mowbray: kk.

    Bruce Mowbray: From all those photos, it looks like there was a wild time here yesterday.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, it was a lot of fun.
    Aphrodite Macbain: There seemed to a general need to bust out
    Aphrodite Macbain: nice shirt
    Bruce Mowbray: ty.

    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Korel.
    Korel Laloix: osiyo
    Bruce Mowbray: How ya doing, Kori?
    Korel Laloix: Traumatized.
    Bruce Mowbray: you too?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Kori! Why?
    Korel Laloix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCzd7rMiuD8

    Bruce Mowbray: what's happening, Kori?
    Korel Laloix: Just watching a video... lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's traumatizing?
    Korel Laloix:Springtime for Hitler... yes... Traumatizing...
    Aphrodite Macbain: Oh right. :-) I haven’t seen it
    Bruce Mowbray: That vid has been blocked in America for copyright reasons.
    Korel Laloix: Works for me... odd
    Korel Laloix: But I do go through a proxy.
    Bruce Mowbray: Can't get it here...
    Bruce Mowbray: strange that you can get it in OK.
    Korel Laloix: Ok.
    Korel Laloix: SO what are you up to today?


    Health issues etc

    Bruce Mowbray: Oh, just working through a few health issues.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Who else has a cold?
    Korel Laloix: Had the flu a couple of weeks ago.
    Korel Laloix: Was very not fun.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Mine won’t go away
    Korel Laloix: I was in hospital for three day and was really out of it for a week afterwards.
    Korel Laloix: Was another 10 days or so until I was back full running again.
    Bruce Mowbray: wow! All of my friends have colds, too and they stay and stay.
    Aphrodite Macbain: but compared to Bruce - we are very healthy!
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Korel Laloix: I am actually feeling very right right now...
    Korel Laloix: Hope you get well soon.

    Korel Laloix: Blessed that way.

    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Multiverse.
    Korel Laloix: Bozho

    Multiverse1 Resident: Hi Aphrodite, Bruce and Korel

    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Multi

    Aphrodite Macbain: I've hardly been out in 3 days
    Aphrodite Macbain: getting very bored
    Korel Laloix: I know that frustration.
    Korel Laloix: Don’t want to do anything but bored.
    Multiverse1 Resident: I had a cold for three days , started Christmas morning
    Bruce Mowbray: I don't understand why I have not caught it yet - - unless it's because I'm a hermit.
    Multiverse1 Resident: takes out your physical being as well as mentally
    Korel Laloix: I get that every once in a while as well, not sure what it means.
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: stay a hermit then Bruce
    Aphrodite Macbain: you get what Korel?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bruce- you don’t catch anything - it's stuff your body creates for you
    Multiverse1 Resident: hmmm
    Korel Laloix: Odd YouTube messages.
    Bruce Mowbray: So, how is that, Aph?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I mean that as a hermit, you will rarely catch diseases from anyone
    Aphrodite Macbain: and most of your ailments will either be wear and tear or auto-immune related.
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers, that's how it works.
    Bruce Mowbray: Unfortunately, when I do catch a cold, it's usually quite rough, though.
    Aphrodite Macbain: so you don’t get just colds like us- only pneumonia!!
    Multiverse1 Resident: arg
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, that's what I mean.
    Multiverse1 Resident: not a pleasant thought there
    Aphrodite Macbain: Perhaps your immune system isn't strong
    Bruce Mowbray: Yeah, Multi, I caught Legionnaire’s Disease last June.
    Bruce Mowbray: (in New York).
    Aphrodite Macbain: was that what it was Bruce?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I thought it was pneumonia
    Bruce Mowbray: Was in hospital for ten days with that.
    Multiverse1 Resident: upon re-entry you may get super-exposure then
    Multiverse1 Resident: New Hampshire here
    Bruce Mowbray: Legionnaire's Disease IS pneumonia, Aph.
    Multiverse1 Resident: oh
    Bruce Mowbray: My diagnosis was "acute a-typical pneumonia."
    Aphrodite Macbain: oh OK it is one of the causes of pneumonia?
    Korel Laloix: Just a very specific strain.
    Multiverse1 Resident: I did catch it then
    Multiverse1 Resident: in Feb.
    Aphrodite Macbain: last Feb?
    Multiverse1 Resident: yepper
    Bruce Mowbray: Legionnaire’s is caused by the legionella bacterium.
    Aphrodite Macbain: damn Legionnaires
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: no sorry, bad multi. Flu, Flu Flu.
    Korel Laloix: If I recall right, named after them because the first real outbreak was from an American Legion Convention.
    Multiverse1 Resident: never had pneumonia to my knowledge
    Bruce Mowbray: Unless they can isolate the actual bacterium, they cannot call it Legionnaire's (for the purpose of records, etc.)
    Korel Laloix: The hotel air conditioing system was bad.
    Bruce Mowbray: Which principle should be apply?
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers, Kori, that's what causes it.

    Multiverse1 Resident: going to cancel my reservation


    How do we work with being sick?

    Aphrodite Macbain: so how do we think about being sick if we apply the principles of PAB?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Could we drop our concern about it?
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm. . . .
    Bruce Mowbray: I guess we could try to "drop" it....
    Bruce Mowbray: or at least drop our judgments about it.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Could we see our connection with others in the universe that have a disease?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I have been doing that, Aph. . .
    Aphrodite Macbain: what sort of judgments Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: well, I just mean the usual preferences and prejudices.... about disease or anything else.
    Multiverse1 Resident: I dread the thought, since I am mostly blessed with minor ailments
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, me too, Multi.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I was wondering how a beginners mind would approach being sick
    Bruce Mowbray: I'd never been in the hospital for anything until I was 69.
    Multiverse1 Resident: my small aches and arthritis are a comfort compared to some I know
    Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps, "Hmm. There is an interesting feeling."
    Aphrodite Macbain: Perhaps focusing on the positive elements
    Aphrodite Macbain: feeling?
    Multiverse1 Resident: focus ahead then, Aphrodite
    Bruce Mowbray: The pains and discomforts that come along with illness are usually survival-oriented, though.

    Aphrodite Macbain: survival oriented? Could you say more?
    Bruce Mowbray: They help us to know that something is "wrong."
    Aphrodite Macbain: right
    Bruce Mowbray: so we will do something about it -- thus aiding our survival.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, pain is a handy warning system
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I guess the thing to do is not complain but act in some way that makes it better and take steps to prevent it happening in the future

    Aphrodite Macbain: Like now I don’t feel guilty staying inside and reading a book
    Multiverse1 Resident: aph
    Multiverse1 Resident: Can inspire some to rise very high actually
    Multiverse1 Resident: true warriors

    MS Breakthroughs

    Multiverse1 Resident: breakthroughs in Multiple Sclerosis were a news item this week
    Bruce Mowbray: really, say more.
    Multiverse1 Resident: a woman who hadn't spoken in 30 years was able to
    Bruce Mowbray: Wow!
    Aphrodite Macbain: no kidding! Where?
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes, it is based on brain wave study
    Korel Laloix: Would like to read about that.
    Aphrodite Macbain: me too
    Multiverse1 Resident: will try to get the link at 9 secs
    Aphrodite Macbain: where did you read about it Multi?
    Multiverse1 Resident: abc tv
    Aphrodite Macbain: oh, hmm
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm sure it is in other news media
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves
    Aphrodite Macbain: we are talking about being sick and how we would approach that state as good Pabbers
    stevenaia Michinaga: depends on how you view illness :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: most of us have/have had colds and Bruce is facing some more serious conditions
    Bruce Mowbray looks around for Steve.

    Korel Laloix: There is also emotional illness.

    Aphrodite Macbain: yes 90 seconds...
    Korel Laloix: That lagged into the break.. sorry

    stevenaia Michinaga: exactly, anything that is out of balance
    stevenaia Michinaga: the approach should consider what will get you back in balance, physically, mentally, emotionally

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Zon
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Zon
    Aphrodite Macbain: we are talking about approaches to being sick
    Zon Kwan: hi

    Korel Laloix: Balance is a very easy word to say or type.. Much more difficult to even work toward though.
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Multiverse1 Resident: sorry couldn't find the ms link
    Multiverse1 Resident: will try later
    Multiverse1 Resident: Hi Zon and stevenaia
    Korel Laloix: NO worries.

    stevenaia Michinaga: outside pressures, stress forces outside you can make you ill, so how do you "deal" with them, let them go, make them go away?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I suppose one could consider sickness as an opportunity to learn more, to change one's lifestyle, to act in a new way, to become aware and more compassionate of others who are sick.
    stevenaia Michinaga: usually the cure is rest... which releases you from those outside forces
    Multiverse1 Resident: I have seen great courage among some

    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Boxy.
    Zon Kwan: hi alf
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves to Boxy
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, steve, zon, and Boxy.
    Multiverse1 Resident: Hi alf

    Alfred Kelberry: multi, you become a regular :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: never has anyone called me "regular" except at a bar perhaps Aphrodite Macbain: Indeed

    Aphrodite Macbain hands Multi a beer

    Alfred Kelberry: things change, multi :)


    Korel Laloix: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16086004

    Korel Laloix: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16362314

    Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks Kori
    Korel Laloix: And a video.

    Multiverse1 Resident: Yeah Korel!
    Aphrodite Macbain: great- Korel very interesting. listens to video: “Just try to enjoy everyday”
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, cure for sclerosis - very cool
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes this one regained sight!
    Aphrodite Macbain: amazing
    Aphrodite Macbain: triggering stem cells
    Aphrodite Macbain: things are really going to change with stem cell research
    Alfred Kelberry: kori will invent a cure for some lethal disease too
    Multiverse1 Resident: amazing results too!

    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm glad to see you're having some milk Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
    Aphrodite Macbain: lots of calcium

    Aphrodite Macbain: hmmm maybe not
    Multiverse1 Resident: vitamin D
    Aphrodite Macbain: that too, but it needs to be added

    Zen Arado: Hi all
    Multiverse1 Resident: Hi Zen
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Zen.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zen.
    Zon Kwan: zen, tha man

    Aphrodite Macbain: We're talking about being healthy- or not
    Alfred Kelberry: milk is fun unless you're lactose intolerant :)
    Zen Arado: I'm reading about diet after what Wester said
    Multiverse1 Resident: excluding the mental factor.

    Aphrodite Macbain: mind/body - they are one
    Aphrodite Macbain: What new have you learned Zen?
    Korel Laloix: I am very Lactose intolerant... but Lactaid works well for most things.
    Multiverse1 Resident: we "are" what we eat?
    Zen Arado: reading a book called 'Why we get fat' by Gary Taubes

    Aphrodite Macbain: I suppose there are many reasons Zen

    Bruce Mowbray: Wester lost a lot of weight on the Atkins diet.
    Zon Kwan: we are what we think
    Aphrodite Macbain smiles at Zon

    Alfred Kelberry: kori, good to know
    Zen Arado: yes seems carbohydrates are main cause
    Bruce Mowbray: yep, carbs.
    Aphrodite Macbain: too much sugar in many forms
    Zen Arado: book explodes many food myths
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes an elephant is not fat until you tell it so
    Aphrodite Macbain: but then it would remember it forever

    Zen Arado: still reading it tho
    Zon Kwan: agrees with zen, sugar...
    Zen Arado: exercising not much use
    Aphrodite Macbain: it burns calories tho
    Zen Arado: cos you get hungry and eat more
    Alfred Kelberry: each new diet book debunks the previous book myths :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: white sugar, as Korel said a few days ago
    stevenaia Michinaga: best to keep writing, stay ahead of the curve
    Zen Arado: yeh..have at back of my mind how many of these theories there are
    Korel Laloix: And I read stuff on how to gain weight... lol.. life is funny.
    Multiverse1 Resident: processed foods also
    Aphrodite Macbain: a balanced diet is what is needed I think. We need all of the various food groups for a healthy body
    Bruce Mowbray: The trick, it seems to me, is not to put in what you can't burn off and keep it balanced, of course.
    Alfred Kelberry: kori, cakes don't work?
    Bruce Mowbray: Aphrodite Macbain: and as we get older... sigh
    Zen Arado: well I am going to cut down on carbohydrates and see what happens
    Aphrodite Macbain pats her tummy
    Zon Kwan: old..never

    stevenaia Michinaga: g2g, (for dinner)
    Aphrodite Macbain: eat well Stevenaia

    Alfred Kelberry: Aph is young
    Multiverse1 Resident: Kori has a need to run though, if I am not mistaken
    Korel Laloix: I run too much.

    Bruce Mowbray: I also, g2g, folks.
    Bruce Mowbray: I will take this session next week.
    Multiverse1 Resident: See you

    Bruce Mowbray: THANKS, Aph.
    Alfred Kelberry: multi, good point. All cakes get burned :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: don't encounter bacteria
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Bruce. I will be at the Sunday session instead
    Bruce Mowbray: bye for now.
    Zen Arado: bye Bruce

    Aphrodite Macbain: all cakes get burned???
    Alfred Kelberry: kori, you should try beer and tv diet :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes German beer
    Aphrodite Macbain: 90 seconds coming up:
    Alfred Kelberry: aph, when kori goes running
    Zen Arado: carbs raise insulin levels that tell body not to burn fat
    Korel Laloix: I am more of a wino.
    Korel Laloix: And a tequila girl.
    Zen Arado: wine, beer, soft drinks raise insulin levels dramatically
    Multiverse1 Resident: sugar in that!
    Zon Kwan: yes. They transform sugar into fat
    Zen Arado: worst for us
    Zen Arado: (he says)
    Zen Arado: as do refined flour products
    Zen Arado: pasta, cereals etc
    Zon Kwan: and potatoes

    Korel Laloix: Back to the books.. thanks for the chat all.
    Multiverse1 Resident: oh oh Kori's going to run
    Zen Arado: bye Korel
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Korel- take care and stop running!

    Multiverse1 Resident: bye, it's a great release mechanism for some, a meditation of sorts
    Aphrodite Macbain: running? yes
    Zen Arado: so...it's easy to lose weight...just cut down on carbs
    Multiverse1 Resident: I walk myself
    Aphrodite Macbain: My favourite exercise is walking
    Aphrodite Macbain: snap!
    Multiverse1 Resident: rarely gain and I do drink beer
    Zen Arado: genetics play a part too
    Aphrodite Macbain: Walking is really a good form of meditation also
    Zen Arado: that book is interesting
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes genetics are a key factor I think, and vocations can also play a part
    Zen Arado: quite scientific


    Aphrodite Macbain: Has any one seen the film Baraka?
    Zon Kwan: Baraka--what’s it about ?
    Multiverse1 Resident: as we have already included avocations
    Aphrodite Macbain: in it there is a monk who slowly walks thru the streets of a busy city, oblivious to the noise around him, holding his dorje and ringing his bell. It stays in my mind.
    Aphrodite Macbain: It’s a series of beautiful images of people and places around the world.
    Aphrodite Macbain: The film's vision is PaB's. To show how everyone is united and share the same universe.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have the DVD.
    Multiverse1 Resident: http://www.yidio.com/movie/baraka/12...FcNo4Aod6WR5_w

    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks Multi!
    Multiverse1 Resident: I will check it out
    Aphrodite Macbain: worth getting or seeing
    Multiverse1 Resident: sounds interesting
    Zen Arado: ty makes note
    Aphrodite Macbain: beautiful music.

    Aphrodite Macbain: opens with one of those snow monkeys sitting in a hot pool with snow falling on it. S/he looks like he/she is meditating
    Aphrodite Macbain: many of my friends found it boring as there was no narrative or voice over

    Zen Arado: I just bought a movie too
    Zen Arado: http://teaser-trailer.com/leaves-of-...edward-norton/
    Zen Arado: haven't watched it yet
    Alfred Kelberry: bought? you can download instead :):
    Zon Kwan: edgar ?
    Zon Kwan: its interesting yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: edgar?
    Alfred Kelberry: "An Ivy League professor (Norton)" - already funny :)

    Zon Kwan: ah..opened a wrong page..strange
    Multiverse1 Resident: hehe Zen, couldn't resist
    Aphrodite Macbain: ??
    Alfred Kelberry: :)

    Aphrodite Macbain: are we all talking about the same thing or are we experiencing multi universes?
    Multiverse1 Resident: non-importance
    Zen Arado: ty Multi

    Multiple universes and white holes

    Multiverse1 Resident: always the multi
    Aphrodite Macbain: are there multi universes,Multi?
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes
    Multiverse1 Resident: they birth themselves

    Aphrodite Macbain: nice nose
    Multiverse1 Resident: pay boxy?
    Aphrodite Macbain: very squeezable

    Aphrodite Macbain: they emerge from where?
    Aphrodite Macbain: our minds?
    Zon Kwan: white holes
    Aphrodite Macbain: what's a white hole? I sort of know what a black hole is.
    Zon Kwan: its the opposite
    Aphrodite Macbain: Do they exist or are they a concept?
    Multiverse1 Resident: black holes in our universe create a white hole in a new one, or thinking further Zon, perhaps as we expand this one, the black hole at the center emits into a new galaxy during the expansion in our present one
    Zon Kwan: there..
    Aphrodite Macbain: constant rebirth and dying. An endless cycle
    Zon Kwan: and it happens on all levels
    Zon Kwan: all the time
    Multiverse1 Resident: If you wish it I will show you, hang on.
    Aphrodite Macbain: show us?
    Aphrodite Macbain: breathes out
    Zon Kwan: that’s a white hole
    Zon Kwan: i breath in
    Zon Kwan: its a black hole
    Multiverse1 Resident: multi breathes in Aphrodite’s exhaust
    Multiverse1 Resident: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole

    Zen Arado: (slips away)
    Multiverse1 Resident: Bye Zen
    Aphrodite Macbain: waves at Zen
    Multiverse1 Resident: Sorry bell
    Zon Kwan: slips too
    Zon Kwan: waves
    Multiverse1 Resident: bye slip
    Aphrodite Macbain: waves at Zon

    Aphrodite Macbain: the stalwarts remain
    Multiverse1 Resident: I am a wart now, hmmm
    Aphrodite Macbain: a wart...
    Aphrodite Macbain: a stalling wart?
    Multiverse1 Resident: a still wart and still a wart then
    Aphrodite Macbain: I think I'm off to find another universe.
    Multiverse1 Resident: can give you Fecund universes too if you desire
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Multiverse1 Resident: seriously
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have enough with the one I have
    Multiverse1 Resident: bye Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Multiverse1 Resident: Boxy, you still here?
    Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
    Alfred Kelberry: not quite :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: wuff to you too little doggy

    Multiverse1 Resident: 1st tyme I hear that one!
    Multiverse1 Resident: he has a wet nose!
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: I will traverse also Alf. Have a fun day.
    Alfred Kelberry: thank you
    Alfred Kelberry: traverse well :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: thx
    Multiverse1 Resident: ha! teleport failed, wouldn't you know it
    Multiverse1 Resident: traversed not so well alf
    Alfred Kelberry: happens

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