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*Wol Euler was guardian for this long and curious session. I couldn't decide whether Lawrence was genuinely curious or just playing intellectual games. By the end of an hour I found myself thinking of the particular grin that you see on four-year-olds' faces as they ask you "why" for the thirty-seventh time in succession. See for yourselves.*

Bertram Jacobus: hi there :-)

Bertram Jacobus: you're here for the pab meeting ? :-)

Lawrence Vyceratops: yup

Bertram Jacobus: nice - so i'll sit ... ;-)

Lawrence Vyceratops: k

Bertram Jacobus: i love to sit ... ;-)

Bertram Jacobus: and find it strange sometimes when the people stand for hours in sl ... ;-)

Lawrence Vyceratops: haha k

Lawrence Vyceratops:** i find it strange when people meet to meditate in silence and then leave** haha

Bertram Jacobus: ah ! yes ! where do you experience such behaviours ? ... ;-)

Lawrence Vyceratops: at the so-called buddhist meeting places haha

Bertram Jacobus: ah - i see : you are member of buddha center ...

Lawrence Vyceratops: am i? how do i unjoin?

Lawrence Vyceratops: hi, Wol

Bertram Jacobus: oh. i think, you can right click your avatar, then choose groups, then open the group and unjoin should be possible - i hope ... ;-)

Bertram Jacobus: hi wol ... good morning ! :-)

Wol Euler: hello lawrence, berti

Bertram Jacobus: you don't have to open the group i saw now ...

Lawrence Vyceratops: cool. thanks

Bertram Jacobus: hehe. very welcome

Wol Euler: how is everyone this morning?

Bertram Jacobus: i'm ... still a bit tired - you ? :-)

Wol Euler: same

Wol Euler: :)

Lawrence Vyceratops: fine. haven't seen you guys in about a year!

Wol Euler: where have you been?

Lawrence Vyceratops: had a baby 7 mos. ago! :D

Bertram Jacobus: where do you live lawrence ? if i may ask ...

Wol Euler: wow :) no wonder

Lawrence Vyceratops: mississippi

Wol Euler: congratulations

Lawrence Vyceratops: thank you :)

Bertram Jacobus: so it's deep in the night at your place, isn't it lawrence ?!

Wol Euler: ah, and is your being here and now, and awake at 4am in RL, perhaps connected to said baby? :)

Lawrence Vyceratops: yes, it's late. Little Henry is asleep. i work late, so not uncommon for me to be awake at 3AM.

Wol Euler: ah, so not that bad

Lawrence Vyceratops: nah

Wol Euler: I assumed you were up *early* with him :)

Lawrence Vyceratops: i leave for work at half past noon and he is usually still asleep :)

--BELL--

Lawrence Vyceratops: oh, i see . no, he's out :)

Wol Euler smiles.

Bertram Jacobus: why is that work at nights ?

Lawrence Vyceratops: i do tattoos.

Wol Euler: wow

Lawrence Vyceratops: unfortunately! haha

Wol Euler: heheh

Wol Euler: does working late mean you get people coming in from the bar, raving drunk, wanting tattoos?

Lawrence Vyceratops: no. everyone knows by now that they wont get tattooed under the influence

Wol Euler: good! heheheh

Lawrence Vyceratops: under the influence of alcohol. unfortunately, the do get tattooed under the influence of society and TV!

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: why do you suppose it's so fashionable?

Bertram Jacobus: ma gf wants to have another tatoo as well ...

Lawrence Vyceratops: people are vain. they are greedy and so willing to follow whomever if they think it will raise their status with certain individuals or groups.

Lawrence Vyceratops: not all people, but many

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: a comprehensive and true-sounding answer

Wol Euler: (must be a better word for "true-sounding" :)

Lawrence Vyceratops: it's obvious to me. i have so many people coming in saying, "i want a tattoo." i ask, "what do you want?" "i don't know," they reply. ;)

Wol Euler: heh

Lawrence Vyceratops: they just want because everybody else has.

Wol Euler nods.

Lawrence Vyceratops: that's why i often say "unfortunately" when people ask what i do! haha

Wol Euler: yeah, I can see that.

Bertram Jacobus: hmmm - interesting to me ... because ma gf has already at least 3, may be 4 ...

Bertram Jacobus: she will say that she likes it, very simply ...

Lawrence Vyceratops: my wife has 5. she wants more too

Wol Euler grins.

Bertram Jacobus: hehe. and you ? how many do you have ?

Lawrence Vyceratops: i don't know. too many! haha

Wol Euler: heheheh

Bertram Jacobus: lol okay ;-)

Wol Euler: I found out this christmas that my nephew and his girlfriend are tattooed, have been for years; I'd never seen their tats.

Wol Euler: they always wear long-sleeved shirts when around the house

Lawrence Vyceratops: a lot of people hide them from family haha

Wol Euler: my sister's house

Wol Euler: oh, sis knows :) but my mother, thteir grandmother, would have a heart attack :)

Wol Euler: niece's pierced lip was bad enough! :)

Lawrence Vyceratops: it's quite common

Lawrence Vyceratops: even grown ups hide them!

Wol Euler: yeah

Lawrence Vyceratops: it's rather silly in this day and age

Wol Euler: how so?

Bertram Jacobus: very different relatives you seem to have wol ... :-)

Wol Euler: oh, the hiding

Wol Euler: right

Wol Euler: sorry

Lawrence Vyceratops: because such a large percentage of the population have them now.

Wol Euler: exactly

Wol Euler: I was going to say, in Germany today it seems that half of people under 30 are tattooed, pierced or branded - or several of the above

--BELL--

Lawrence Vyceratops: some people find out that a family member has one and then they say, "hey, me too!" hiding from each other. haha

Wol Euler: heheh

*Lawrence returns to the first topic, and the fun starts.*

Lawrence Vyceratops: i wonder what signficance people place on the time of silence as a means to attain something.

Lawrence Vyceratops: the 90 seconds, like a mini-meditation.

Wol Euler: exactly that, for us :)

Wol Euler: we specialize in mini-meditations

Lawrence Vyceratops: i was telling bert about some who meet in sl to sit quietly and then they leave when it is over

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: I can fully understand that

Wol Euler: to me that is no different from going down the street to the Buddha House to sit quietly, and coming home when it's over

Wol Euler: **I think it is because quietness is so hard to come by, these days**

Wol Euler: we have so many distractions, many many many more than any previous generation

Bertram Jacobus: buddha house ? in your town wol ?

Wol Euler: it takes a special location and time to shut those off

Wol Euler: yes indeed :) quite near me

Bertram Jacobus: wow - how nice ! i didn't know that ! :-)

Bertram Jacobus: but

Wol Euler: Ayya Khema, you know of her?

Bertram Jacobus: the special locations and times shall be only a training area - to learn to be able to be quiet inside - everywhere and always ...

Lawrence Vyceratops: but what is the significance of this forced quietness?

Bertram Jacobus: oh yes ! i know her ... :-)

Wol Euler: well, when there is no noise outside your head, you can hear the noise inside :)

Wol Euler: and having become aware of it, begin to steer it

Lawrence Vyceratops: why?

Bertram Jacobus: getting rid of it

Wol Euler: not being ruled by it

Wol Euler: it gives you a chance to see and reconsider how and why you do things

Bertram Jacobus: finding peace and freedom

Lawrence Vyceratops: but then afterwards, it's noisy again is that peace and freedom?

Lawrence Vyceratops: truly?

Wol Euler: of course not, not in itself

Bertram Jacobus: it's like i wrote before : on the cushion, it's a training

Wol Euler: the freedom is becoming aware that the noise is there, and being able to choose to continue in it or not

Wol Euler: like the noise of society encouraging tattoos, makes me think I want one

Bertram Jacobus: to learn to have that inner peace and freedom more and more until at the end - constantly

Lawrence Vyceratops: is choice freedom?

Wol Euler: of course not, not in itself :)

Wol Euler: but it makes your becoming free possible

Wol Euler: can't open a door that you do not know is there

Lawrence Vyceratops: is the act of becoming, is it free?

Lawrence Vyceratops: is it freedom, i mean?

Wol Euler: it brings you closer to freedom

Wol Euler ponders.

Lawrence Vyceratops: do we know what freedom is?

Wol Euler: becoming free is like a country achieving a perfectly fair and just society. It will never happen, but it is very important that we keep on trying to get there!

Bertram Jacobus: perhaps we can use the next 90 second period to experience the stopping of action and then , afterwards, we could share our experiences with oit ?

Wol Euler: good idea

Bertram Jacobus: stopping of acting i meant, sry

Lawrence Vyceratops: have we ever had this freedom?

Wol Euler: I don't know. Some people probably have done, just statistically. Those who did, did.

Bertram Jacobus: i think, we can experience it. at least more or less first

Lawrence Vyceratops: but i mean personally, have we?

Bertram Jacobus: that is often my access : the more or less aspect !

Wol Euler: talk about that after the break :) for 90 seconds, try not to think or do: just watch yourself breathing and let your thoughts clear away like clouds in the sun

--BELL--

Bertram Jacobus: :-) ...

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: how was that, lawrence?

Lawrence Vyceratops: what are you guys smiling about ? :) heheh

Bertram Jacobus: about the experience - of relative silence ...

Lawrence Vyceratops: how was what?

Wol Euler: the 90 seconds of not-doing and not-thinking

Bertram Jacobus: i like those breaks

Lawrence Vyceratops: i'm not sure i follow...

Bertram Jacobus: there mostly is a lot of thinking in my experiences

Wol Euler: berti and I just did a mini-meditation

Lawrence Vyceratops: in experience, there is alwasy thinking :)

Wol Euler: I hoped you would join in.

Wol Euler: of course :) and it's truly amazing how much of it goes on, which I first saw when I started meditating

Wol Euler: layers and layers of thinking!

Bertram Jacobus: but when i don't make thought chains of it - it's way better, nicer, as a break , retirement ...

Wol Euler: thinking about thinking

Wol Euler: that's what I meant before about "noise inside"

Lawrence Vyceratops: so, meditation is used as an escape?

Wol Euler: those who use it that way, do so.

Bertram Jacobus: but sometimes - i experience - nothing - and that is really nice. feels very good. i mean an aware experience of nothing so to say ...

Wol Euler: meditation is a screwdriver. You can turn screws with it, or open cans of tomato juice, or kill people

Bertram Jacobus: hehe . how do you mean that wol ?

Wol Euler: it's a tool. If you are asking personally, I started on meditation to deal with work-related anxiety attacks

Wol Euler: looking for a way to overcome that panic and calm myself donw

Bertram Jacobus: and no lawrence. no escape. some misuse it like that but that is not to recommend ;-)

Wol Euler: for me it was simply a tool, but it's become more than that

Bertram Jacobus: ah i see ty wol ! :-)

Wol Euler: it gives you a bit of quiet and space in which to do some real thinking

Bertram Jacobus: my first motivation was "to find god" - 39 years ago now ... :o)

Lawrence Vyceratops: what is real thinking?

Lawrence Vyceratops: what motivates now, bert?

Bertram Jacobus: being able to help and live better lawrence. to get some energy. hopefully to develop more and more qualities ...

Bertram Jacobus: many aspects

Lawrence Vyceratops: although we are here to play as being, it seems, a lot, that we play at becoming ;) heheh

Bertram Jacobus: lol. agree :-)

Wol Euler: in the case of my panic attacks, I could not think. All that was in my head was "oh my god, it's all so terrible"

Wol Euler: too much noise.

Wol Euler: that is what I mean by unreal thinking

Wol Euler: habitual, repetition, self-defeating

Wol Euler: I repeat: in my case, in that situation

Lawrence Vyceratops: so, meditate to become less anxious?

Wol Euler: in my case, yes

Lawrence Vyceratops: so, if meditation is used to become, what is one to do to just be?

Wol Euler: if one is perfectly happy with what one is, then nothing at all :)

Wol Euler: but I would guess that none of us are perfectly happy, not as I know humanity

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: you aren't, for example :) you are upset about some of your clients who want tattoos simply for prestige without thought for art or self-improvement

Lawrence Vyceratops: if none are happy, how can we know that to be happy is what we want? haha

Wol Euler: I don't know.

Wol Euler: **I have the feeling that you want us to tell you perfect methods for achieving perfect results.**

Wol Euler: well, there are none.

Wol Euler: sorry :)

Lawrence Vyceratops: i don't seek to become

Wol Euler: that's fine :)

Bertram Jacobus: i found wols words nice which were that nothing is necessairy when perfection is reached

Bertram Jacobus: nothing to do then anymore. just being

Lawrence Vyceratops: waht is perfection?

Wol Euler: I don't know. What do you think it is?

Bertram Jacobus: no wishes anymore, no suffering

--BELL--

Lawrence Vyceratops: can we know perfection? is it just an idea?

Bertram Jacobus: we often experiece a better feeling when we meditate or meditated ...

Wol Euler: it is a goal, perhaps; an ideal

Wol Euler: like "building a fair and just society"

Bertram Jacobus: and i didn't understand lawrece - what disturbs you when people gather for meditation in sl and then leave again ?

Wol Euler: we'll never get there, but trying to get there is better than staying in an unfair and unjust sodceity

Lawrence Vyceratops: does not an ideal prevent us from seeing what is actual?

Wol Euler: I don't know. does it?

Lawrence Vyceratops: i only wonder what they are doing.

Bertram Jacobus: some say, you could reach it wol - inside yourself. which results in a perfect view even related to the "outer" circumstances ! ...

Lawrence Vyceratops: i find it curious.

Bertram Jacobus: hehe

Wol Euler: [01:34] Wol Euler: to me that is no different from going down the street to the Buddha House to sit quietly, and coming home when it's over

Wol Euler: are you curious about meditation itself, or about thier coming here to do it?

Lawrence Vyceratops: i am curious about why people meditate; what they hope to achieve

Bertram Jacobus: it's also said, meditation can help to become more open, which means sometimes to understand bet, experience less borders ...ter, feel more

Bertram Jacobus: understand more, experience less borders, feel what others feel and such

Lawrence Vyceratops: here, we come to play as being. if meditation has to do with becoming, what place has it in pab?

Bertram Jacobus: sorry : my laptop sometimes mixes letters up *gr* :o)

Lawrence Vyceratops: haha

Bertram Jacobus: meditation can also be a mean for the here and now

Wol Euler: meditation is a tool, like a screwdriver or a pencil

Wol Euler: you can write a novel with a pencil, or a death threat

Wol Euler: up to you

Wol Euler: (I will have to leave in about 12 minutes to go to work)

Bertram Jacobus: becoming was only a part of my personal, may be very unperfect character

Bertram Jacobus: sunday work - bah wol ... ;-)

Wol Euler: I can say this: that meditation has brought calm and balance into my life.

Wol Euler: it has made me a happier and better person.

Wol Euler: better to myself and to those around me. Friends have remarked on the change

Wol Euler: I am able to change the atmosphere of where I work, make it less hostile

Wol Euler: that to me is a good thing

Bertram Jacobus: how nice ! ...

Wol Euler: is this "becoming"? perhaps not, but frankly I don't care.

Bertram Jacobus: there are many ways to be and become happy i guess ...

Wol Euler: some people use meditation to find god. Great, good for them

Wol Euler: some people use meditation as a kind of distraction. I find that less than idea, but still: good for them

Wol Euler: it's a tool

Bertram Jacobus: and i always hope and prefere the ways which make as many people as possible as happy as possible ;-)

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: the thing about distraction is that the problem you were hiding from, still remains

Bertram Jacobus: do you dislike this to : could i do something better ?alk lawrence ? and if s

Wol Euler: you are only putting off unhappiness, not removing it

Lawrence Vyceratops: i never mentioned disliked. i merely questioned.

Bertram Jacobus: this talk ... bah - mixed up letters again *gr*

Bertram Jacobus: i did not say that you mentioned that. i asked because i had such an impression ...

Bertram Jacobus: so we all ask ... :o)

Lawrence Vyceratops: i see questioning much more important than answering, often

Wol Euler: do you question yourself too?

Bertram Jacobus: i exactly the other way round ! but that seems to be not very popular ...

Lawrence Vyceratops: that is the only kind of question that is serious! :)

--BELL--

Wol Euler: indeed; but do you do it?

Bertram Jacobus: hi pastor :-)

Lawrence Vyceratops: hi, Pastor

Wol Euler: hello Pastor, have you been here before?

Pastor Carnell: greetings all

Lawrence Vyceratops: of course, Wol.

Pastor Carnell: I was here before yes

Pastor Carnell: but I don't recall any of you

Wol Euler: good, so you've had the notecard and know about our website :)

Pastor Carnell: uhm not really

Wol Euler: ah :)

Bertram Jacobus: i think, we didn't meet before pastor ... so hello once more / again ! ;-)

Pastor Carnell: I just know you ppl here talk about anything

Wol Euler: okay, I have three minutes before I have to leave for work, so it'll have to be a very brief intro

Wol Euler: where do you know that from, I wonder? :)

Pastor Carnell: aye I'm sorry

Pastor Carnell: I was here before

Bertram Jacobus says bye and have a very nice day, in advance already now ! ... ;-)

Wol Euler: fair enough :)

Lawrence Vyceratops: basically, anything you say might be posted on the website, right?

Bertram Jacobus: hi qt ! :-)

Wol Euler: we record these sessions and publish them on our website, http://wiki.playasbeing.org/

Lawrence Vyceratops: hi, Qt

Wol Euler: not "might", will.

Pastor Carnell: I can live with that

Qt Core: Hi all

Lawrence Vyceratops: will, of course

Wol Euler: may we have your permission ... great, thank you

Pastor Carnell nods

Wol Euler: and with that, I must leave

Wol Euler: sorry to walk out in mid-convesration :(

Pastor Carnell: be well

Lawrence Vyceratops: bye, Wol.

Qt Core: bye Wol

Wol Euler: take care, enjoy the day

Lawrence Vyceratops: it's fine :)

Bertram Jacobus: byeee dear wol

Qt Core: so, do you have a topic running ?

Lawrence Vyceratops: a couple, i think...

Pastor Carnell: lets not this to be the end of words for today

Lawrence Vyceratops: we were discussing what meditation is and also that we play as being, but more often end up play as becoming, right bert?

Pastor Carnell: I just know that many ppl think as meditation to be simple

Qt Core: well, just being instyead of becoming is hard, evem when you think you are static you change, even if "only" rooting yourself deeper in your place

Pastor Carnell: it is in a way, but its not just being silince

Pastor Carnell: actually I still don't know what meditation is to be honoust

Bertram Jacobus: sry - i was distracted lawrence - let me think ... ;-)

Lawrence Vyceratops: there are a hundred definitions, as i'm finding out! haha

Pastor Carnell: how is it that some monks can levitate under meditation,

Lawrence Vyceratops: i have visited buddhist centers here in sl and they meet to meditate silently and then leave. here, at pab, there is frequent 90 seconds of silence.

Bertram Jacobus: yes. and it was only my description - the becoming thing , i guess - often that may be a fault of mine ...

Lawrence Vyceratops: i doubt monks levitate ;)

Pastor Carnell: most yogis use a stupid trick

Bertram Jacobus: most important to me was that it helps

Lawrence Vyceratops: of course. people love tricks! :D

Pastor Carnell: but some nepal monks seem to do it

Pastor Carnell: with no tricks

Lawrence Vyceratops: i doubt that... sorry.

Bertram Jacobus: sry - i "need" some food <---> afk ...

Pastor Carnell: they say its possible by novices to do the same

Lawrence Vyceratops: k, bert :)

Lawrence Vyceratops: possible for novices to learn tricks? ;)

Pastor Carnell: if it is tricks

Pastor Carnell: what about Buddha boy?

Lawrence Vyceratops: what boy?

Pastor Carnell: he was meditating for years without eating or drinking

Lawrence Vyceratops: i doubt that.

Pastor Carnell: me too, but it doesn't keep me from wondering

Lawrence Vyceratops: why?

Pastor Carnell: I don't know

Pastor Carnell: what if there is more to it?

--BELL--

Lawrence Vyceratops: here's that silence again.... heheh

Pastor Carnell: I used to believe in God

Lawrence Vyceratops: yes?

Pastor Carnell: then I lost that believe for Buddhism

Lawrence Vyceratops: and do you have a belief now?

Pastor Carnell: and now I wonder about those mysteries

Pastor Carnell: I don't know

Lawrence Vyceratops: why do we seek a belief?

Pastor Carnell: I feel I'm into Buddhism but I'm so sceptic

Alfred Kelberry: hi :)

Lawrence Vyceratops: skepticism is very good!

Lawrence Vyceratops: hi, Alfred

Qt Core: while bert is eating i have to go doing some cooking

Qt Core: Hi alfred

Lawrence Vyceratops: haha ok, Qt :)

Alfred Kelberry: ha! berty's afk :)

Lawrence Vyceratops: i just finished off some cookies!

Qt Core: bye all, and have fun!

Alfred Kelberry: bye cutie

Alfred Kelberry: berty is back :)

Bertram Jacobus: hi boxy ! :-)

Alfred Kelberry: is woly around?

Lawrence Vyceratops: went to work

Alfred Kelberry: ah

Bertram Jacobus: yep ... and wouldn't say that scepticism were good - in contrary : i see it as the counter part to blind belief ... in the middle i see realism - that is what i personally prefere ...

Alfred Kelberry: sunday. not kosher.

Bertram Jacobus: right boxy ! :-)

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Bertram Jacobus: ··..•♥•··..☺ SaTiA ☺ ..··•♥•..··

Bertram Jacobus: greetings from boxy :-)

Alfred Kelberry: ha! satia girl and layla! :)

Lawrence Vyceratops: ah! reality! a great topic!

Bertram Jacobus: hehe - yes ! :o)

Bertram Jacobus: hehe. agree lawrence ;-)

Bertram Jacobus: s a t i a girl and layla doggie :o)

Lawrence Vyceratops: a great topic expecially for play as being

Alfred Kelberry: good observation, berty

Alfred Kelberry: i'll take that

Bertram Jacobus: :-)

Alfred Kelberry: though, i lean on the scepticism side :)

Lawrence Vyceratops: especially because reality is now and not past or future

Bertram Jacobus: lol

Bertram Jacobus: you know eckard tolle lawrence ?

Alfred Kelberry: i think buddha too, no, berty?

Lawrence Vyceratops: know? no.

Bertram Jacobus: buddha - what pls boxy ?

Pastor Carnell: what about a monk that levitates in front of an illusionist's eyes, and he can't explain it?

Bertram Jacobus: tolle writes and teaches a lot about "now"

Alfred Kelberry: favors scepticism

Lawrence Vyceratops: you are really stuck on the levitation thing, huh Pastor? ;)

Bertram Jacobus: it's popular boxy ... ;o)

Pastor Carnell: its because I saw it and I can't explain it

Bertram Jacobus: but isn't scepticism thought to lead to insights of realism and reality ?

Alfred Kelberry: pastor, a nice trick :)

Lawrence Vyceratops: can you explain quantum mechanics? i have a tough time with that one.

Alfred Kelberry: berty, yes. "test" dharma offering (your word, btw!) with reality and see for yourself.

Pastor Carnell: but what if quantum mechanics are handled through simple meditation technics?

Bertram Jacobus: explain quantum mechanics ... that is a wide topic i guess, not only a few aspects ...

Alfred Kelberry: lawrence, i think many have :)

Alfred Kelberry: even einstein :)

Lawrence Vyceratops: haha

Pastor Carnell: some things that seem hard to do, are done by children so easely

Bertram Jacobus: which is my word boxy pls ? :-)

Pastor Carnell: maybe we think too much

Lawrence Vyceratops: Too much of a particular kind, I'm sure, Pastor.

Pastor Carnell: I will take my leave now

Lawrence Vyceratops: goodnight, Pastor

Pastor Carnell: anyway, try to think further than facts

Bertram Jacobus: byee pastor

Pastor Carnell: take care, see ye later

Bertram Jacobus: nice gesture ... :-)

Lawrence Vyceratops: that is not generally a problem ;) take care.

Bertram Jacobus: nearly two hours here now - time for me to leave as well ...

Lawrence Vyceratops: ah we finally get to now and it's over haha

Bertram Jacobus: may all beings be happy please !

Lawrence Vyceratops: night, Bert

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: ah, they left

Lawrence Vyceratops: yuppers.

Alfred Kelberry: one glimpse of reality and they're gone :)

Lawrence Vyceratops: haha yes

Lawrence Vyceratops: that's how it works ;)

Alfred Kelberry: woly?!

Alfred Kelberry: maybe she can hear...

Lawrence Vyceratops: haha

Lawrence Vyceratops: well, i guess that's it for tonight?

Alfred Kelberry: i suppose so... and i'm being summoned

Lawrence Vyceratops: night, Alfred

Alfred Kelberry: be well, lawrence :)

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