2012.01.15 19:00 - The Metaphor Train Stops Here

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.

    Lawrence Vyceratops: hi, Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Law, how are things?
    Lawrence Vyceratops: well. and you?
    Lawrence Vyceratops: how does it whisper? it does that to me occasionally... haha
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm not sure how it whispers
    Calvino Rabeni: Doing pretty well, bundled up against the cold
    Lawrence Vyceratops: having a pretty warm winter here :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Live in the tropics?
    Lawrence Vyceratops: no. live in mississippi
    Calvino Rabeni: That's a lot warmer than Washington
    Lawrence Vyceratops: yes, it's been rather mild. mostly in the 40s and 50s.
    Calvino Rabeni: It was fun today .. with my video phone, taking it out in the street and showing the snow to my friend who wasn't familiar with snow  which doesn't happen in her climate
    Calvino Rabeni: interested to know what you can do with it
    Calvino Rabeni: like, pick it up, mold it into shapes, throw it, eat it, etc.
    Lawrence Vyceratops: haha yes, we get snow once every few years, generally.
    Calvino Rabeni: I noticed what people get used to and take for granted that their area offers
    Calvino Rabeni: Me: what about the crocodiles? ... Oh we don't worry too much about them
    Calvino Rabeni: Friend: yes but what about the bears? .. Oh, well they are shy and don't generally cause trouble
    Lawrence Vyceratops: haha
    Calvino Rabeni: There are no hurricanes, tornados, etc.
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe the occasional wild fire though
    Calvino Rabeni: and every now and then an earthquake :)
    Calvino Rabeni: The floors aren't level and the doorways are I think trapezoidal
    Lawrence Vyceratops: there are tornadoes here

    Lawrence Vyceratops: other than that, just mosquitoes.
    Calvino Rabeni: Those little buggers have pretty much faded into the background
    Calvino Rabeni: I'd need to be working outdoors at dusk to encounter one
    Calvino Rabeni: There must not be a lot of them
    Lawrence Vyceratops: lots 'round here.
    Lawrence Vyceratops: hi, Aphrodite
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello fellow dragon. Hi Calvino
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Aphro
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have just discovered these amazing metabodies
    Aphrodite Macbain: that you can change and share
    Lawrence Vyceratops: what are metabodies?
    Aphrodite Macbain: meta=half. I guess a mix of human and other
    Lawrence Vyceratops: oh, i see! haha
    Aphrodite Macbain: Here's another
    Lawrence Vyceratops: haha funny
    Aphrodite Macbain: and another
    Aphrodite Macbain: called "chart man"
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: That one is interesting
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes!
    Calvino Rabeni: sort of like a self-apiary
    Aphrodite Macbain: But here comes my fave
    Aphrodite Macbain: fog
    Aphrodite Macbain: kinda fits with where I live
    Aphrodite Macbain: end of demo
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Have you been to PaB before Lawrence?
    Calvino Rabeni: He has yes
    Lawrence Vyceratops: yes. lots
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hmm funny I cant remeber you. I would have remembered that tattoo anywhere!
    Aphrodite Macbain: we must have come to different sessions
    Lawrence Vyceratops: i used to come here a lot over a year ago. i haven't been since then. had a baby. :)
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Lawrence Vyceratops: well, i was here last night and a few times before, recently.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Ah.A baby can consume a lot of time!

    Lawrence Vyceratops: he is 7 mos now, so he has become quite independent. ignoring us and such heheh
    Aphrodite Macbain: How are you Cal? Been busy?
    Aphrodite Macbain: oopssosrry
    Calvino Rabeni: out to dinner with a friend yesterday ... home improvment job ... not too busy actually
    Aphrodite Macbain: home improvement jobs can always be quite satisfying. You can see the results
    Aphrodite Macbain: If you get help, it's even nicer
    Calvino Rabeni: oh yes, there are various "hard edges" in those projects
    Calvino Rabeni: where you have to make a decision that's not easily reversible
    Calvino Rabeni: I was reading a science article about how a baby and mother can sync their heartbeats ... I was curious how it works
    Calvino Rabeni: and whether it could work with a man
    Lawrence Vyceratops: people tend to sync their breathing often
    Aphrodite Macbain: wonders why they would need to have synchonized heartbeats
    Aphrodite Macbain: what purpose would it serve?
    Calvino Rabeni: empathic attunement
    Aphrodite Macbain: hhhmmmm sounds like magnetic convergence
    Calvino Rabeni: the mother is part of the whole mechanism of regulation of the infant
    Calvino Rabeni: an external body intelligence
    Calvino Rabeni: affecting emotions, hormones, biochemistry, all related to that
    Aphrodite Macbain: I always thought that the heartbeat related to the size of the person and the amount of blood it needs to pump around it
    Aphrodite Macbain: but that wasn't based on any real information
    Calvino Rabeni: body biochemistry can be measured to create information
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Calvino Rabeni: for instance there's a stress cycle
    Calvino Rabeni: measured by hormones
    Aphrodite Macbain: cycle?
    Aphrodite Macbain: adrenalin produced by the adrenal glands
    Calvino Rabeni: yes,  it has a daily pattern, for instance adults when they wake up in the morning, the stress hormones get activated or go up in quantity during the wake-up transition
    Calvino Rabeni: as they mobilize to be active in the daily activities
    Aphrodite Macbain: oh I see
    Calvino Rabeni: while for babies that doesn't happen
    Calvino Rabeni: until at a certain age they internalize their own regulation
    Calvino Rabeni: but as infants it is run by the mother
    Aphrodite Macbain: w/o any prompting from external stimulii?
    Aphrodite Macbain: so a child that isn't breast fed or held by the mother can be adversely affected?
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm not sure what age .. young, people get the ability of self-regulating those hormones
    Calvino Rabeni: the young child has external regulation in the mother, so their stress hormone level tracks hers
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: tense mother=tense baby?
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: wonder how an orphan survives
    Calvino Rabeni: it's hard to thrive
    Aphrodite Macbain: w/o that support
    Calvino Rabeni: and there are difficulties with development, health problems later
    Aphrodite Macbain: can a father have the same effect as the mother?
    Aphrodite Macbain: (heart beat etc)
    Calvino Rabeni: that would be a good thing to investigate
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods.
    Calvino Rabeni: I think the current opinion is no, but it's not based on thorough investigation yet
    Lawrence Vyceratops: interesting
    Calvino Rabeni: There are spiritual practices that work probably using the same functions in the body mind
    Calvino Rabeni: the gaze of a guru is very powerful to some people
    Aphrodite Macbain: that's another whole enormous conversation I would love to have
    Aphrodite Macbain: can we talk about it some time?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes surely
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm off for dinner now. Nice to have an interesting hors d'oeuvres discussion
    Calvino Rabeni: Bon Appetit :)
    Lawrence Vyceratops: bye, Aphrodite
    Calvino Rabeni: Watch out for the snow :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-) I will. (puts another og on the fire)
    Aphrodite Macbain: log
    Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps we'll have a fresh layer of it tonight
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah .. wow, I could do that too, I've an unused fireplace

    Aphrodite Macbain: It warms up the place in many ways!
    Calvino Rabeni: nods, fire is wonderful to have around
    Lawrence Vyceratops: you have children, Cal?
    Calvino Rabeni: No..
    Calvino Rabeni: Not that I'm aware of :)
    Lawrence Vyceratops: hahaha
    Calvino Rabeni: So much changes .. I think it's fair to say internally as well as otherwise
    Calvino Rabeni: I've often wondered how my life and outlook and priorities would be different, if I had
    Calvino Rabeni: Yours is the first?
    Lawrence Vyceratops: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Lawrence Vyceratops: he's a funny boy :)
    Calvino Rabeni: A big learning experience for all concerned :)
    Lawrence Vyceratops: indeed
    Lawrence Vyceratops: hi, stevenaia
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Stevenaia :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi CAl, Lawrence
    stevenaia Michinaga: how are your evenings?
    Lawrence Vyceratops: dark ;)
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods, and cold here
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm well-bundled, but a fur coat would be nice to have right about now
    Calvino Rabeni: I have multiple layers
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, they always are
    Lawrence Vyceratops: feel quite fortunate in my t-shirt :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: was jsut preparing for my week ahead, much like a meditation

    Lawrence Vyceratops: when someone asks, what do you want to eat, do you ever say something that's just fun to say, but not because that's what you really want?
    Calvino Rabeni: I probably have, Law .. can't recall the specifics
    Calvino Rabeni: That's really interesting, Stev
    Calvino Rabeni: I've been thinking about rate and rhythm lately, looking to tune things up
    stevenaia Michinaga: will be a week of interesting events, new people, intereactions, nice to prepare, critical events that will paint the future weeks events
    Calvino Rabeni: ah ... a special preparation for special times?
    stevenaia Michinaga: more of a need for an outlook
    Lawrence Vyceratops: chicken wang thangs
    stevenaia Michinaga: unfortunately, in my relationship the question results in an answer that becomes a topic of disagreement
    Lawrence Vyceratops: disagreement for sure! my wife always wants something different. haha
    stevenaia Michinaga: Cal
    Lawrence Vyceratops: well, we decided on pizza..... haha have a good night, guys!
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes Lawrence, makes your answer futle but necessare to begine the discussion
    Calvino Rabeni: Pizza it is
    Lawrence Vyceratops: haha yes
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm being influenced :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Outlook, like, how one goes toward it?
    stevenaia Michinaga: cal, since I did not know, I consulted the I Ching... resulting in the perfect answer.... Stillness :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah .. you mean the Mountain, #52?
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles, yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: reading was like the song, The Gambler
    Calvino Rabeni: take care, Lawrence
    Lawrence Vyceratops: stillness... a good topic. but i must go :(
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice to have met you
    Lawrence Vyceratops: Stevenaia, we met over a year ago :) been gone from sl for a while. see ya 'round again soon, i'm sure.
    Calvino Rabeni: It has been a while
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye for now
    stevenaia Michinaga: he has a good memory
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esAr0qGu2S4
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/k/kenny+rogers/the+gambler_20077886.html
    stevenaia Michinaga: a good thing to read the situation

    On a warm summer's eve
    On a train bound for nowhere
    I met up with the gambler
    We were both too tired to sleep
    So we took turns a-starin'
    Out the window at the darkness
    The boredom overtook us, and he began to speak.

    He said, "Son, I've made my life
    Out of readin' people's faces
    Knowin' what the cards were
    By the way they held their eyes
    So if you don't mind my sayin'
    I can see you're out of aces
    For a taste of your whiskey
    I'll give you some advice"

    Calvino Rabeni: Every hand's a winner and every hand's a loser
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    stevenaia Michinaga: always comforted with this kind of thoughtful beginning
    stevenaia Michinaga: a nice first step into any situation
    Calvino Rabeni: nods
    Calvino Rabeni: Imagine a whole culture imbued with process wisdom... fascinating
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Luci
    Lucinda Lavender: hi am showing my friends 2L
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Friends of Lucinda !
    Calvino Rabeni: Like to have a seat?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I suspect it realated to those at the top, but the thought is a good one

    Lucinda Lavender: nice to see you ...good evening all...
    stevenaia Michinaga: A lovely dream related metphor appeared in my inspiration quote of the day today, relates to your thought too, Cal:
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye Cinda
    stevenaia Michinaga: Vision without action is daydream. Action without vision is nightmare.
    Calvino Rabeni listens
    stevenaia Michinaga: I suppose action with vision is a good start
    Calvino Rabeni: Action and vision are like a jelly roll:
    Calvino Rabeni: two thin layers close together, then rolled and folded up into something much bigger
    Calvino Rabeni: a fractal process
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: they co-exist nicely together
    stevenaia Michinaga: who doesn't like a jellyroll
    Calvino Rabeni: some interesting instructions on this in tai chi?
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, yes, very apropropriate
    stevenaia Michinaga: that was also part of my evening :)
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I have to end the evening
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks Cal
    stevenaia Michinaga: night
    Calvino Rabeni: Good to see you Stevenaia
    Calvino Rabeni: Good night :)
    Calvino Rabeni:

    You got to know when to hold 'em
    know when to fold 'em
    Know when to walk away and when to run.
    You never count your money
    when you're sittin' at the table.
    There'll be time enough for countin'
    when the dealin's done.



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