2012.01.20 13:00 - jokes,sillyness and and free will philosophy

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

    wonders if the friday session is determined to contain onigokko ?...

    It was a bit sad that Sunfire came so late, it was a bit too much as well i guess only zen as our philosophical joker was able to discuss but i really liked sunfire contributing with a subject.

    Wol Euler: hello aggers!
    Agatha Macbeth: Guten abend mein schatz :)
    Wol Euler lächelt.
    Wol Euler: wie geht's?
    Agatha Macbeth: Gut danke :)
    Agatha Macbeth: How's things?
    Wol Euler: pretty good, I guess
    Wol Euler: sort of blue
    Agatha Macbeth: Blue is the colour :)
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Agatha Macbeth: Boss not been yelling today then?
    Wol Euler: was hardly there.
    Agatha Macbeth: Lucky you eh?
    Wol Euler: next meeting with possible client is wednesday afternoon
    Agatha Macbeth: Any new projects in the pipeline?
    Wol Euler: just that one
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Wol Euler: and a competition due in mid-march
    Agatha Macbeth: Seems laggy tonight
    Wol Euler: very
    Agatha Macbeth: or is it me?
    Agatha Macbeth: ah
    Wol Euler: my.secondlife.com is lagging terribly too
    Wol Euler: keeps timing out
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh what's that?
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi K
    Korel Laloix: Heya.
    Agatha Macbeth: No Yaku?
    Wol Euler: hello korel
    Wol Euler: apparently not
    Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
    Wol Euler: ty
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: yw
    Wol Euler: speak of the devil
    Agatha Macbeth: Ha
    Wol Euler: nabend yaku
    Agatha Macbeth: Yo Yak
    Agatha Macbeth: I just claimed your log, sorry
    Wol Euler: looks like yaku is only present in body ...
    Wol Euler: ah
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Bless him
    Agatha Macbeth: The body has the log anyways :p
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s a very small round today
    Wol Euler nods.
    Korel Laloix: A heard a really bad starwars joke the other day about logs....
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Wol Euler listens.
    Korel Laloix: Let me think.
    Agatha Macbeth: Fire away K
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Korel Laloix: Have to remember it.
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, that helps :)
    Korel Laloix: lol
    Korel Laloix: I don't do jokes well.
    Korel Laloix: Ok... got it.
    Agatha Macbeth: You know what they say about women are no good at telling jokes
    Korel Laloix: This is tacky... so edit might be needed for the log...
    Wol Euler: erm, no?
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Korel Laloix: lol
    Korel Laloix: What did Spock find in the toilet?
    Wol Euler guesses.
    Korel Laloix: The Capatin's log.
    Agatha Macbeth: I think I know whats coming
    Korel Laloix: lol
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Korel Laloix: ick.
    Agatha Macbeth: I was right (ick)
    Wol Euler: ah yes
    Agatha Macbeth: :D
    Agatha Macbeth: Illogical captain
    Korel Laloix: Who is next?
    Agatha Macbeth: Good question
    Agatha Macbeth: Wol?
    Wol Euler: who is on second
    Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
    Wol Euler: okay, two tigers are walking through the jungle, single file.
    Wol Euler: out of the blue, the second tiger leans forward and gives the first tiger a good thorough lick on the arse.
    Wol Euler: first tiger looks back, says "wtf? don't do that."
    Wol Euler: they walk on
    Wol Euler: and eventually the second tiger again leans forward, and gives the first tiger
    Wol Euler: 's arse a lick
    Wol Euler: first tiger clouts him on the ear and says "stop that!"
    Wol Euler: they walk on
    Wol Euler: and on
    Wol Euler: and finally, you know it has to happen, the second tiger once again leans forward and gives the first tiger's arse a good lick
    Wol Euler: first tiger stops in its tracks, spins around, and gives the second tiger a thump that sends it flying into the bushes
    Wol Euler: "what the hell is wrong with you today?!?"
    Wol Euler: second tiger crawls out of the bushes, all apologetic
    Wol Euler: "I'm really sorry. It's just that I ate a lawyer thsi morning and I can't get the taste out of my mouth."
    Agatha Macbeth: HAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Korel Laloix: lol
    Wol Euler grins.
    Agatha Macbeth hugs you
    Korel Laloix: I work with a bunch of lawyers... going to have to tell that one soon.
    Wol Euler: hehehehe
    Agatha Macbeth: Poor you!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hold on a mo, I'm gonna see if Phoenix is any less laggy than FS
    Wol Euler: http://www.iciclesoftware.com/LawJok...eLawJokes.html <- a long long page of lawyer jokes, including that one
    Korel Laloix: And the rest are CPAs... lol
    Wol Euler: wb aggers
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wb aga
    Agatha Macbeth: ty
    Korel Laloix: Who is next?
    Wol Euler: Q: What's the difference between a lawyer and a trampoline? A: You take off your shoes before you jump on a trampoline.
    Korel Laloix: lol
    Korel Laloix: Good ones.
    Wol Euler: aggers, are you next?
    Wol Euler: yaku?
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm, still not great, but ok
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you take off your shoes before you jump the trampoline, but cheated :(
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i read it on the page :P
    Wol Euler: yep
    Yakuzza Lethecus: really got to smile :)
    Korel Laloix: Interesting how it is still universially politically correct to tell lawyer jokes.
    Wol Euler grins.
    Agatha Macbeth: That's cos people hate lawyers :p
    Wol Euler: at least among non-lawyers
    Wol Euler: they have a rather unfortunate reputation
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    Agatha Macbeth: much like politicians
    Korel Laloix: That is the problem with lawyers though... 99 percent give the rest a bad reputation..
    Wol Euler: the Ralph Naders and Erin Brockovich's can't outweigh that
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Yakuzza Lethecus: just heard another story before about somene sueing another because of slipping on not properly cleared snow, few ppl try to make money on everything possible
    Wol Euler: yep
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, nothing new
    Wol Euler: when I was a kid, it was assumed (a) that shit happened, and (b) that you were responsible for what you did
    Agatha Macbeth: Ambulance chasers
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we should get Gilles' take on that one [grin]
    Korel Laloix: People just odn't want to be responsibleand lawyers help.
    Wol Euler: yep
    Wol Euler: encourage, sometimes, which is worse
    Korel Laloix: A lot of the lawyers here can't stand those sorts of lawyers either.
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: that link seems to have stopped the proceedings :)
    Wol Euler: so I guess it's time for
    Wol Euler: a quick
    Wol Euler: onigokko
    Korel Laloix: stop
    Wol Euler snorts.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: cardio
    Korel Laloix: Someone has to be the mature supervision around here.
    Agatha Macbeth: That was quick alright
    Korel Laloix grins
    Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
    Korel Laloix: stop
    Korel Laloix: lol
    Agatha Macbeth: onigekko
    Wol Euler: onigokko
    Agatha Macbeth sees lizards running around
    Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
    Korel Laloix: Thank goodness I at least cant here it.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi ho Silver
    Wol Euler: oh, you#re right, I have no sound either. Hadn't noticed
    Agatha Macbeth: Whaaaaat?
    Agatha Macbeth: Took you til 1.40 to notice that?
    Wol Euler: yeah
    Agatha Macbeth: OMG
    Wol Euler: sorry
    Agatha Macbeth sits on your head
    Wol Euler: website sound works ...
    Agatha Macbeth: Prefs maybe?
    Wol Euler: a
    Wol Euler: buu
    Wol Euler: huh
    Korel Laloix: lol
    Agatha Macbeth: buu
    Agatha Macbeth: Hear that?
    Wol Euler: nope
    Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
    Wol Euler: buu
    Agatha Macbeth: I used to have this prob with the bells a lot
    Wol Euler: ah! got it
    Wol Euler: I'd turned off sound effects
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, that *would* account for it :p
    Wol Euler: hello zen
    Korel Laloix: That is the best choice.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Zen
    Zen Arado: hi all
    Korel Laloix: Take care all.. get to leave early today.
    Wol Euler: bye korel, take care
    Agatha Macbeth: Behave yourself
    Agatha Macbeth: (or not)
    Korel Laloix: Big date again tonight... I always do... smiles
    Zen Arado: bye korel
    Korel Laloix: Ciao.
    Zen Arado: not many here tonight
    Agatha Macbeth: Surprisingly quiet for a friday
    Wol Euler: aye
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zen
    Zen Arado: I'm al mixedup between two computers
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you bought a new one ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Ouch
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am all in between falling asleep and staying awake :)
    Wol Euler: 7sm
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Zen Arado: yes
    Zen Arado: takes ages toset thm up
    Zen Arado: or takes me ages to set one up!
    Zen Arado: Tryingto trasfer files from old computer
    Wol Euler: pity they weren't macs :) you just connect them by firewire cable, and say "transfer my stuff"
    Wol Euler: makes the new one a faster bigger copy of the old one
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sunfire
    Yakuzza Lethecus: haven´t seen yo in a long time
    Sunfire Langer bows 'hello'
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Sunfire
    Wol Euler: hello sunfire, nice to meet you
    Zen Arado: that's too easy for me wol
    Zen Arado: :)
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Zen Arado: I alwas haveto mak thing complcated
    Agatha Macbeth: I think I have something similar for PC, but never used it
    Yakuzza Lethecus: do you also do digital drawing zen ?
    Zen Arado: well Ive finshed up copying and pasting music files from an external hard drive
    Zen Arado: no have never done digital art very much except on an iPone
    Agatha Macbeth: That's a start then :)
    Zen Arado: it was a start and finish though
    Sunfire Langer: vuvuzelas at Play as Being, what disassembled days...
    Agatha Macbeth: Awww
    Wol Euler: buu
    Agatha Macbeth: buu
    Agatha Macbeth: snap
    Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Did korel come back?
    Sunfire Langer: did we have a subject for the session today?
    Agatha Macbeth: Don't recall one
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lawyers jokes
    Wol Euler: we had some good jokes :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, some jokes anyway
    Sunfire Langer: What do you call someeone's reason for acting when it's really crazy?
    Agatha Macbeth: I give up
    Sunfire Langer: A loco-motive
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Agatha Macbeth: Awwwwww
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well i think somewhere of wanting a good serendipity subject out of the blue and just falling asleep :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Zen Arado: sorry 'm working with two computers
    Wol Euler: it seems everyone is a bit slow / distracted today
    Sunfire Langer: I have something about the 'will' if its of interest
    Zen Arado: and multitasking doesn't suit me
    Agatha Macbeth: And one is bad enough :p
    Zen Arado: sure is
    Agatha Macbeth: Please do Sun
    Yakuzza Lethecus: multitasking actually stops me thinking and i sometimes step out of my rut better
    Zen Arado: go ahead Sun
    Zen Arado: if you will
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sure sun
    Zen Arado: :)
    Sunfire Langer: We have struggled philosophically with the idea of will, either free will, lack of it, determinism, 'absolute free will'. Each model has had to deal with the framing of the debate about a single entity making a self-caused direction on its own action.
    Zen Arado: it would be okay f I knew what was doing Yaku
    Sunfire Langer: This has led the discussion to challenging the single entity's ability to do that, but I think that misleads us too, because it is built on a faulty concept.
    Zen Arado: I thin it's ll buit on a faulty way of thinking
    Zen Arado: I usedto be a compatibist determinist
    Zen Arado: I thin free will is just a human concept that doesn't mean much
    Zen Arado: in fact I dont thin there is any entity to choose
    Zen Arado: choices are mde based on one's genetics, upbringing, culture, experiences etc
    Sunfire Langer: The idea of a single entity, that like an atom, (a soul) cannot be split into constituent parts damns the debate to what a single entity can do in terms of willing (atm the opinion is not a great deal). But in one person there is a community of influences and impulses (a community of souls) in the cause of one's action there is not just self-direction, but a miasma of sensations and influences and states that come from interfacing with one's environment. I think because of this to talk of will and volition in terms of one human will always be inadequate. We must talk about will and volition more solubly
    Zen Arado: and there is no one to choose
    Zen Arado: yes that is putting it in another way I thik
    Zen Arado: do you agree with DavidHume's "bundle theor? D
    Sunfire Langer: as transmitted between people, in movements and tides and evolutions of it. We must talk more subtley and more articulately than 'one chooses one's action' - there is no 'I', so to say 'I will' is defunct
    Wol Euler: so you're saying that our minds don't exist in a vacuum? I'd agree with that
    Zen Arado: Yes
    Wol Euler: (sorry for putting it so simply :)
    Zen Arado: if there is no "I" there is no one there to choose
    Zen Arado: simpleis bes I thik
    Sunfire Langer: I'm not familiar with Hume's bundle theory. I heavily distrust his thinking, though, Zen
    Sunfire Langer: We can thank him for the is/ought gap playing havoc with ethics
    Zen Arado: why Sun?
    Zen Arado: the no self idea is in Buddhsm or non-dual teachings or in personal identity in philosophy
    Zen Arado: if you are into philosophy examine the topic of personal identity
    Wol Euler: sorry, I am too tired to follow this properly
    Zen Arado: there are many arguments against the idea of some essence or something that stays the same and throughout our lives
    Wol Euler: goodnight all, take care. enjoy the weekend!
    Zen Arado: yeah it's a bit heavy:)
    Zen Arado: night Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: I need to move on too
    Sunfire Langer: Harris, a staunch empiricist, confirms there is no 'I', there is no locus for it in the brain, it is a social institution - a trend of our human psychology, something developmental, Zen
    Agatha Macbeth: have fun everybody
    Zen Arado: I thin I'll go to a dance or something:)
    Sunfire Langer: Well, not as simple as 'there is noone to choose; therefore there is no choice' - there are choices made. I'm saying these choices are made at a more fluid level than a single individual - this is a bit like the 'continuum of being' that Jung put about
    Sunfire Langer: I effectively emptied the room :/
    Zen Arado: I thin nature just moves through us because we are a part of nature
    Zen Arado: but we like to think we are discreet individuals
    Sunfire Langer: 'Nature' isn't an entity, its not even an ecosystem. Please lets not anthropomorphosise it
    Zen Arado: exactly is just everything I was't splitting it or dividing it are categorising it in any way
    Zen Arado: anyway I realy haveto go
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night zen
    Zen Arado: talk sme othr time
    Zen Arado: bye
    Sunfire Langer: see ya
    Yakuzza Lethecus: free will is a good subject but the arguments are really hard to digest
    Sunfire Langer: they invited what I had to say then were overwhelmed. Humph
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it was also the end of the regular session time

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