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PlayAsBeing Wiki > Chat Logs > 2012 > 01 > 2012.01.20 13:00 - jokes,sillyness and and free will philosophy

*The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.*

wonders if the friday session is determined to contain onigokko ?...

It was a bit sad that Sunfire came so late, it was a bit too much as well i guess only zen as our philosophical joker was able to discuss but i really liked sunfire contributing with a subject.

Wol Euler: hello aggers!

Agatha Macbeth: Guten abend mein schatz :)

Wol Euler lächelt.

Wol Euler: wie geht's?

Agatha Macbeth: Gut danke :)

Agatha Macbeth: How's things?

Wol Euler: pretty good, I guess

Wol Euler: sort of blue

Agatha Macbeth: Blue is the colour :)

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Agatha Macbeth: Boss not been yelling today then?

Wol Euler: was hardly there.

Agatha Macbeth: Lucky you eh?

Wol Euler: next meeting with possible client is wednesday afternoon

Agatha Macbeth: Any new projects in the pipeline?

Wol Euler: just that one

Agatha Macbeth nods

Wol Euler: and a competition due in mid-march

Agatha Macbeth: Seems laggy tonight

Wol Euler: very

Agatha Macbeth: or is it me?

Agatha Macbeth: ah

Wol Euler: my.secondlife.com is lagging terribly too

Wol Euler: keeps timing out

Agatha Macbeth: Oh what's that?

Agatha Macbeth: Hi K

Korel Laloix: Heya.

Agatha Macbeth: No Yaku?

Wol Euler: hello korel

Wol Euler: apparently not

Agatha Macbeth: Hmm

Wol Euler: ty

Agatha Macbeth smiles

Agatha Macbeth: yw

Wol Euler: speak of the devil

Agatha Macbeth: Ha

Wol Euler: nabend yaku

Agatha Macbeth: Yo Yak

Agatha Macbeth: I just claimed your log, sorry

Wol Euler: looks like yaku is only present in body ...

Wol Euler: ah

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey :)

Agatha Macbeth: Bless him

Agatha Macbeth: The body has the log anyways :p

Wol Euler smiles.

Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s a very small round today

Wol Euler nods.

Korel Laloix: A heard a really bad starwars joke the other day about logs....

Agatha Macbeth nods

Wol Euler listens.

Korel Laloix: Let me think.

Agatha Macbeth: Fire away K

Yakuzza Lethecus: :)

Korel Laloix: Have to remember it.

Agatha Macbeth: Yes, that helps :)

Korel Laloix: lol

Korel Laloix: I don't do jokes well.

Korel Laloix: Ok... got it.

Agatha Macbeth: You know what they say about women are no good at telling jokes

Korel Laloix: This is tacky... so edit might be needed for the log...

Wol Euler: erm, no?

Agatha Macbeth smiles

Korel Laloix: lol

Korel Laloix: What did Spock find in the toilet?

Wol Euler guesses.

Korel Laloix: The Capatin's log.

Agatha Macbeth: I think I know whats coming

Korel Laloix: lol

Wol Euler: heheheh

Korel Laloix: ick.

Agatha Macbeth: I was right (ick)

Wol Euler: ah yes

Agatha Macbeth: :D

Agatha Macbeth: Illogical captain

Korel Laloix: Who is next?

Agatha Macbeth: Good question

Agatha Macbeth: Wol?

Wol Euler: who is on second

Agatha Macbeth: Hmm

--BELL--

Wol Euler: okay, two tigers are walking through the jungle, single file.

Wol Euler: out of the blue, the second tiger leans forward and gives the first tiger a good thorough lick on the arse.

Wol Euler: first tiger looks back, says "wtf? don't do that."

Wol Euler: they walk on

Wol Euler: and eventually the second tiger again leans forward, and gives the first tiger

Wol Euler: 's arse a lick

Wol Euler: first tiger clouts him on the ear and says "stop that!"

Wol Euler: they walk on

Wol Euler: and on

Wol Euler: and finally, you know it has to happen, the second tiger once again leans forward and gives the first tiger's arse a good lick

Wol Euler: first tiger stops in its tracks, spins around, and gives the second tiger a thump that sends it flying into the bushes

Wol Euler: "what the hell is wrong with you today?!?"

Wol Euler: second tiger crawls out of the bushes, all apologetic

Wol Euler: "I'm really sorry. It's just that I ate a lawyer thsi morning and I can't get the taste out of my mouth."

Agatha Macbeth: HAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yakuzza Lethecus: :)

Korel Laloix: lol

Wol Euler grins.

Agatha Macbeth hugs you

Korel Laloix: I work with a bunch of lawyers... going to have to tell that one soon.

Wol Euler: hehehehe

Agatha Macbeth: Poor you!

Agatha Macbeth: Hold on a mo, I'm gonna see if Phoenix is any less laggy than FS

Wol Euler: http://www.iciclesoftware.com/LawJok...eLawJokes.html <- a long long page of lawyer jokes, including that one

Korel Laloix: And the rest are CPAs... lol

Wol Euler: wb aggers

Yakuzza Lethecus: wb aga

Agatha Macbeth: ty

Korel Laloix: Who is next?

Wol Euler: Q: What's the difference between a lawyer and a trampoline? A: You take off your shoes before you jump on a trampoline.

Korel Laloix: lol

Korel Laloix: Good ones.

Wol Euler: aggers, are you next?

Wol Euler: yaku?

Agatha Macbeth: Mm, still not great, but ok

Yakuzza Lethecus: you take off your shoes before you jump the trampoline, but cheated :(

Yakuzza Lethecus: i read it on the page :P

Wol Euler: yep

Yakuzza Lethecus: really got to smile :)

Korel Laloix: Interesting how it is still universially politically correct to tell lawyer jokes.

Wol Euler grins.

Agatha Macbeth: That's cos people hate lawyers :p

Wol Euler: at least among non-lawyers

Wol Euler: they have a rather unfortunate reputation

Agatha Macbeth: Indeed

Agatha Macbeth: much like politicians

Korel Laloix: That is the problem with lawyers though... 99 percent give the rest a bad reputation..

Wol Euler: the Ralph Naders and Erin Brockovich's can't outweigh that

Wol Euler: heheheheh

Yakuzza Lethecus: just heard another story before about somene sueing another because of slipping on not properly cleared snow, few ppl try to make money on everything possible

Wol Euler: yep

Agatha Macbeth: Yes, nothing new

Wol Euler: when I was a kid, it was assumed (a) that shit happened, and (b) that you were responsible for what you did

Agatha Macbeth: Ambulance chasers

Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we should get Gilles' take on that one [grin]

--BELL--

Korel Laloix: People just odn't want to be responsibleand lawyers help.

Wol Euler: yep

Wol Euler: encourage, sometimes, which is worse

Korel Laloix: A lot of the lawyers here can't stand those sorts of lawyers either.

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: that link seems to have stopped the proceedings :)

Wol Euler: so I guess it's time for

Wol Euler: a quick

Wol Euler: onigokko

Korel Laloix: stop

Wol Euler snorts.

Yakuzza Lethecus: :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: cardio

Korel Laloix: Someone has to be the mature supervision around here.

Agatha Macbeth: That was quick alright

Korel Laloix grins

Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko

Korel Laloix: stop

Korel Laloix: lol

Agatha Macbeth: onigekko

Wol Euler: onigokko

Agatha Macbeth sees lizards running around

Yakuzza Lethecus: stop

Korel Laloix: Thank goodness I at least cant here it.

Agatha Macbeth: Hi ho Silver

Wol Euler: oh, you#re right, I have no sound either. Hadn't noticed

Agatha Macbeth: Whaaaaat?

Agatha Macbeth: Took you til 1.40 to notice that?

Wol Euler: yeah

Agatha Macbeth: OMG

Wol Euler: sorry

Agatha Macbeth sits on your head

Wol Euler: website sound works ...

Agatha Macbeth: Prefs maybe?

Wol Euler: a

Wol Euler: buu

Wol Euler: huh

Korel Laloix: lol

Agatha Macbeth: buu

Agatha Macbeth: Hear that?

Wol Euler: nope

Agatha Macbeth: Hmm

Wol Euler: buu

Agatha Macbeth: I used to have this prob with the bells a lot

Wol Euler: ah! got it

Wol Euler: I'd turned off sound effects

Agatha Macbeth: Yes, that *would* account for it :p

Wol Euler: hello zen

Korel Laloix: That is the best choice.

Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Zen

Zen Arado: hi all

Korel Laloix: Take care all.. get to leave early today.

Wol Euler: bye korel, take care

Agatha Macbeth: Behave yourself

Agatha Macbeth: (or not)

Korel Laloix: Big date again tonight... I always do... smiles

--BELL--

Zen Arado: bye korel

Korel Laloix: Ciao.

Zen Arado: not many here tonight

Agatha Macbeth: Surprisingly quiet for a friday

Wol Euler: aye

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zen

Zen Arado: I'm al mixedup between two computers

Yakuzza Lethecus: you bought a new one ?

Agatha Macbeth: Ouch

Yakuzza Lethecus: i am all in between falling asleep and staying awake :)

Wol Euler: 7sm

Wol Euler smiles.

Zen Arado: yes

Zen Arado: takes ages toset thm up

Zen Arado: or takes me ages to set one up!

Zen Arado: Tryingto trasfer files from old computer

Wol Euler: pity they weren't macs :) you just connect them by firewire cable, and say "transfer my stuff"

Wol Euler: makes the new one a faster bigger copy of the old one

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sunfire

Yakuzza Lethecus: haven´t seen yo in a long time

Sunfire Langer bows 'hello'

Agatha Macbeth: Hello Sunfire

Wol Euler: hello sunfire, nice to meet you

Zen Arado: that's too easy for me wol

Zen Arado: :)

Wol Euler: heheh

Zen Arado: I alwas haveto mak thing complcated

Agatha Macbeth: I think I have something similar for PC, but never used it

Yakuzza Lethecus: do you also do digital drawing zen ?

Zen Arado: well Ive finshed up copying and pasting music files from an external hard drive

Zen Arado: no have never done digital art very much except on an iPone

Agatha Macbeth: That's a start then :)

Zen Arado: it was a start and finish though

Sunfire Langer: vuvuzelas at Play as Being, what disassembled days...

Agatha Macbeth: Awww

Wol Euler: buu

Agatha Macbeth: buu

Agatha Macbeth: snap

Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko

Wol Euler: heheheh

Yakuzza Lethecus: stop

Yakuzza Lethecus: :)

Agatha Macbeth: Did korel come back?

Sunfire Langer: did we have a subject for the session today?

Agatha Macbeth: Don't recall one

Yakuzza Lethecus: lawyers jokes

Wol Euler: we had some good jokes :)

Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes

Agatha Macbeth: Well, some jokes anyway

Sunfire Langer: What do you call someeone's reason for acting when it's really crazy?

Agatha Macbeth: I give up

Sunfire Langer: A loco-motive

Wol Euler chuckles.

Agatha Macbeth: Awwwwww

Yakuzza Lethecus: :)

--BELL--

Yakuzza Lethecus: well i think somewhere of wanting a good serendipity subject out of the blue and just falling asleep :)

Wol Euler smiles.

Zen Arado: sorry 'm working with two computers

Wol Euler: it seems everyone is a bit slow / distracted today

Sunfire Langer: I have something about the 'will' if its of interest

Zen Arado: and multitasking doesn't suit me

Agatha Macbeth: And one is bad enough :p

Zen Arado: sure is

Agatha Macbeth: Please do Sun

Yakuzza Lethecus: multitasking actually stops me thinking and i sometimes step out of my rut better

Zen Arado: go ahead Sun

Zen Arado: if you will

Yakuzza Lethecus: sure sun

Zen Arado: :)

Sunfire Langer: We have struggled philosophically with the idea of will, either free will, lack of it, determinism, 'absolute free will'. Each model has had to deal with the framing of the debate about a single entity making a self-caused direction on its own action.

Zen Arado: it would be okay f I knew what was doing Yaku

Sunfire Langer: This has led the discussion to challenging the single entity's ability to do that, but I think that misleads us too, because it is built on a faulty concept.

Zen Arado: I thin it's ll buit on a faulty way of thinking

Zen Arado: I usedto be a compatibist determinist

Zen Arado: I thin free will is just a human concept that doesn't mean much

Zen Arado: in fact I dont thin there is any entity to choose

Zen Arado: choices are mde based on one's genetics, upbringing, culture, experiences etc

Sunfire Langer: The idea of a single entity, that like an atom, (a soul) cannot be split into constituent parts damns the debate to what a single entity can do in terms of willing (atm the opinion is not a great deal). But in one person there is a community of influences and impulses (a community of souls) in the cause of one's action there is not just self-direction, but a miasma of sensations and influences and states that come from interfacing with one's environment. I think because of this to talk of will and volition in terms of one human will always be inadequate. We must talk about will and volition more solubly

Zen Arado: and there is no one to choose

Zen Arado: yes that is putting it in another way I thik

Zen Arado: do you agree with DavidHume's "bundle theor? D

Sunfire Langer: as transmitted between people, in movements and tides and evolutions of it. We must talk more subtley and more articulately than 'one chooses one's action' - there is no 'I', so to say 'I will' is defunct

Wol Euler: so you're saying that our minds don't exist in a vacuum? I'd agree with that

Zen Arado: Yes

Wol Euler: (sorry for putting it so simply :)

Zen Arado: if there is no "I" there is no one there to choose

Zen Arado: simpleis bes I thik

Sunfire Langer: I'm not familiar with Hume's bundle theory. I heavily distrust his thinking, though, Zen

Sunfire Langer: We can thank him for the is/ought gap playing havoc with ethics

Zen Arado: why Sun?

Zen Arado: the no self idea is in Buddhsm or non-dual teachings or in personal identity in philosophy

Zen Arado: if you are into philosophy examine the topic of personal identity

Wol Euler: sorry, I am too tired to follow this properly

Zen Arado: there are many arguments against the idea of some essence or something that stays the same and throughout our lives

Wol Euler: goodnight all, take care. enjoy the weekend!

Zen Arado: yeah it's a bit heavy:)

Zen Arado: night Wol

Agatha Macbeth: I need to move on too

Sunfire Langer: Harris, a staunch empiricist, confirms there is no 'I', there is no locus for it in the brain, it is a social institution - a trend of our human psychology, something developmental, Zen

Agatha Macbeth: have fun everybody

Zen Arado: I thin I'll go to a dance or something:)

Sunfire Langer: Well, not as simple as 'there is noone to choose; therefore there is no choice' - there are choices made. I'm saying these choices are made at a more fluid level than a single individual - this is a bit like the 'continuum of being' that Jung put about

Sunfire Langer: I effectively emptied the room :/

Zen Arado: I thin nature just moves through us because we are a part of nature

--BELL--

Zen Arado: but we like to think we are discreet individuals

Sunfire Langer: 'Nature' isn't an entity, its not even an ecosystem. Please lets not anthropomorphosise it

Zen Arado: exactly is just everything I was't splitting it or dividing it are categorising it in any way

Zen Arado: anyway I realy haveto go

Yakuzza Lethecus: good night zen

Zen Arado: talk sme othr time

Zen Arado: bye

Sunfire Langer: see ya

Yakuzza Lethecus: free will is a good subject but the arguments are really hard to digest

Sunfire Langer: they invited what I had to say then were overwhelmed. Humph

Yakuzza Lethecus: it was also the end of the regular session time

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