2012.01.22 08:00 - Guardian Session: Freshly, From Scratch!!

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    Present for this week's guardian session were:  Aphrodite Macbain : Bruce Mowbray : Eliza Madrigal : Eos Amaterasu : Lucinda Lavender : Pema Pera : Xirana Oximoxi : Zen Arado

    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey Eliza.
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Eliza the red! Good day to you
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) now the fun of sitting begins...
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hahah
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) Hi Bruce, Aphrodite :)
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): do you have problems sitting Eliza?
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): some days
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): can I give you a cushion?
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): maybe too much coffee
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Pema!
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Hi Xirana
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Hi Pema
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Xirana and Zen again
    Pema Pera: hi everybody!
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi Bruce, Pema, Aph
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Hi Zen
    Zen (zen.arado): H Bruce, Pema, Aph
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hi, pema, Xir, Zen.
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): We can give a few minutes for folks to arrive :)
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): where are you now Pema?
    Pema Pera: in Hawaii, for a change, Aph :-)
    Pema Pera: (with a not very stable internet connection)
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Eos :))
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): all those balmy winds!
    Pema Pera: (rather large lag, so if I don't respond, not to worry :-)
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): so far so good. Hi Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi gang....
    Pema Pera: (also some lines I type don't echo, so I'm not sure whether all I write is received . . . )
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi Eos
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I'm glad you are able to be here today Pema, will help for clarity with retreats and perhaps other topics
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): You look different Pema - new t-shirt? new hair?
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Good morning, Eos.
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Zen (zen.arado): Hi Eos
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hawaii may give a new angle of light on Pema
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Hmm yes- closer to the Equator
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera humming "put a flower in your hair"
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Boxy is on his way... then I suppose we can begin with thoughts on Ireland
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): "when Irish eyes are smiling"...hummms
    Zen (zen.arado): 'I wish I was in Carrickfergus' not :)
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): lol
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): It is a wonderful idea, but with so few seeming to be able to go, is it something we want to pick up at another time?
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): unless there is some funding contributed
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): the guardian retreats email list has nearly everyone that would be interested, and there has been little activity
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): perhaps it needs more planning to find the right time of year, or?
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Boxy :)
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yes- it is high season
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi boxy:)
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): hi :)
    Pema Pera: perhaps we can start by talking about the function of the retreats?
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Hi Boxy
    boxy's nose: Bruce gently squeezes boxy's nose
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): oh wow - pema's here :)
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): great, Pema
    Pema Pera: /me waves at Boxy :)
    Pema Pera: i.e. the simple question of why to go to a retreat in the first place?
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): My understanding of the retreats is to aid in our practice and to connect on a whole new level with guardians
    Zen (zen.arado): lots of variation there in ppl's opinions
    Eos Amaterasu: a buddhist would say, to cross to the other shore
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): where would that be? Ireland?
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): or scotland?
    Coffee Mug: whispers: Ahh! Fresh Hot Coffee
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I would imagine that everyone has a mixture of reasons
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I suppose if the main purpose is to be together, it dosn't matter where the retreats take place
    Zen (zen.arado): to remove daily distractions , to find a quiet place where you can be more intensely
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): true. we can go to an empty high school anywhere
    Pema Pera: right now we have at least four different ways to meet, even apart from special activity subgroups in SL: regular PaB sessions; SL retreats; the old-type RL retreats; the newer spontaneous RL meetings like recently in Berlin -- what do they give us, and how do they compare?
    Zen (zen.arado): but that is a more zen idea
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I imaging our meditation practice and our perspective on reality might be enhanced if we meet in RL
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): It gives a richer experience than sitting at the pavilion
    Zen (zen.arado): a main reason for pab retreats seems to be to meet people in the flesh
    Pema Pera: of those four, really only the old-type RL retreats require any kind of more serious preparation -- and it seems that interest is waning, so a simple response would be to just drop those for now, unless there is something really different about them -- hence my question of why we want to go to retreats
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain) tries to put on her beginners mind
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): pema, i think the more important question is why we don't
    Pema Pera: PaB is not really about meditation: in SL PaB sessions we chat at least 90% of the time, and the same is true in RL old-style retreats
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): since there's the lack of participants
    Zen (zen.arado): to me a retreat is just a continuation and intensifying of daily meditation practice
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I remember wondering why we have RL retreats when I first learned about them
    Zen (zen.arado): yes
    Pema Pera: very very different from, say, Zen retreats or any other Hindu, Buddhist, Daoist retreats
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): there seems some myth that there is a lot of meditation at PaB retreats :)
    Zen (zen.arado): so pab doesn't really need retreats?
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I think there is a curiosity or need to meet face to face
    Pema Pera: so given that there is much more interest in Berlin-style meetings than the old-style retreats, it would seem natural to focus on them for a while and see, don't you think?
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but there IS a kind of retreat 'container' or setting... mindset?
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): listens to eliza
    Pema Pera: and there is no reason not to sprinkle in "meditation" if you want to call it that, in Berlin-style retreats
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Hi Luci
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): that's true
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Luci :)
    Eos Amaterasu: there is the just-meeting-each-other in RL aspect, but there's also meeting the practice of whatever it is that we find the PaB attractor to be
    Zen (zen.arado): Hi Luci
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hello Luci :)
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): we had a couple short ones, pema :)
    Pema Pera: so yes, ELiza, I agree about the container idea, but a Berlin-style meeting also has a container
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): were they valuable Boxy?
    Pema Pera: like other "urban retreats" we've had
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): yes, very much so
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): how?
    Eos Amaterasu: Berlin-style might be close to the urban San francisco and New Orleans retreats
    Pema Pera: attending wonderful blues sessions in New Orleans, for example
    Eos Amaterasu: je ne regrette rien
    Lucinda Lavender: HI all:)
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes :)
    Pema Pera: yes, Berlin sounded very similar in spirit, from what I heard
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): ahhh that I would love :))
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): isnt that just like having a holiday together?
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hi, Luci!
    Eos Amaterasu: a PaB holiday
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Well, even in New Orleans there were times for sessions ... as in SL
    Pema Pera: yes, a joyful AND thoughtful holiday :-)
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): aph, oneness with the group... sounds, noises... the presence of us all in the moment for a little while
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): let's call them holidays then
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so in that way there was a continuity between SL and RL
    Pema Pera: the word "retreat" probably was not the best choice of words . . . .
    Eos Amaterasu: that continuity is one reason for RL retreats
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): makes sense body - it cements the connection among the group
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Boxy
    Pema Pera: let's go with "treats"!
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :))))
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
    Zen (zen.arado): :)
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yes:-)
    Eos Amaterasu: but also PaB could go into that body, RL body....
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): ?
    Eos Amaterasu: body cementing connection with yourself as well as with group....
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): we can call it 'holidays' but it has the added value to meet with Pabbers, persons we meet very oft to chat here... and to talk about 'being' or also dayly matters...
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): nods
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): i can attest for the image of rigid meditations and strict schedule related to the retreats
    Pema Pera: that never was the case, Boxy :)
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): then also the silence day
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): silent day is yummy
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): tough for me :)
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I imagine that would be nice in a rural retreat
    Eos Amaterasu: Sum (90-second-pauses)
    Pema Pera: schedules were very flexible, meditation was never more than 10% of the time
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes, the flexibility is key... not all retreats had silent days
    Eos Amaterasu: sum (variable length pauses)
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): hard to be silent in a city
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Not San Francisco, not New Orleans
    Zen (zen.arado): they have zen retreats in SF
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Zen (zen.arado): SF zen center
    Zen (zen.arado): city center
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): pema, interesting. from all the talks and pictures, i perceived it otherwise.
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): there's a zen centre in Vancouver too
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): and, apparently, not me alone
    Pema Pera: I can understand, Boxy, for sure!
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Nova Scotia is perhaps more retreat-like in that way Boxy
    Eos Amaterasu: Most retreats have 3 or four sessions per day, which are actually much like pavilion sessions
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): nods
    Pema Pera: but typically we would talk for an hour, have a 5 minute brief "meditation" -- really extended break
    Pema Pera: more like a reality check on the talking we did
    Eos Amaterasu: very relaxed compared to most christian, buddhist, zen, etc retreates
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I have to admit that for myself I have envisioned PaB as accommodating need/desire for 'spiritual practice' (not the best word) to some extent as well... so a ruling out of that would feel not right either
    Pema Pera: like in regular sessions with 10% silence in the 90-sec breaks every 15 minutes
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): i think the theme session on the retreat internals is in order :)
    Pema Pera: good point !
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): "retreats revealed"
    Pema Pera: veiled treats?
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): expose'
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): reviled treats?
    Eos Amaterasu: discovering your open source
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal) smiles
    Eos Amaterasu: + open sourcing ourselves with each other
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): i think the location plays a role here too. in that a more isolated one would be seen as meditation-heavy. and also a lot of places you stay at are actual retreat resorts.
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): nods
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I like the idea of going for long walks together
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes, that's nice:)
    Pema Pera: I'm perfectly happy to reconsider everything from scratch, including the name "retreats" and the question what to do during meetings. I think that time has come now, and it is also exciting to go back to our roots with a fresh eye!
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): quietly
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): (the walks)
    Pema Pera: with the 4th year celebrating coming up
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :)
    Pema Pera: and yes, Aph, for sure!
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): exciting proposition, pema :)
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes
    Pema Pera: we can give ourselves two months to reconsider retreats before our recelebration
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I wonder whether it might be a way to engage more Guardians
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I must go now...nice day to all! :)
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): by Xirana
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): xiri :)
    Pema Pera: /me waves at Xirana
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bye Xirana :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Caio, xiri
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): bye bye :)
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): we seem to be losing Guardians
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): and 'm wondering how we can "renew" our connections
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): review what brings us together
    boxy's nose: Aph clicks boxy's nose
    Pema Pera: one option would be to go back to the notion of "9 sec" perhaps not so much literally, but the idea behind it: stopping and dropping and opening up
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): where? at a treat Pema?
    Pema Pera: how to do that in your life, in a city, while on a walk, etc?
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): nods
    Pema Pera: how to reconsider your life a few times an hour --- that's really what PaB is about, I think
    Pema Pera: and that can be done in a million forms
    Pema Pera: in *any* setting
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): so a retreat about 9 second pauses?
    Pema Pera: rejuvinate a few times an hour, that's the PaB invitation
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Aph, considering regular sessions at the moment
    Pema Pera: more a life around some kind of pauses every hour :)
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and what the 'draw' of PaB is for people, in SL where there are lots of discussion groups and communities

    Eos Amaterasu: PaB in SL, PaB in meetup, PaB in daily life....
Pema Pera: microcredits in developing countries are to big bank loans what PaB is to organized do-good corporations (from religious institutions to humanist or socialist organizations)
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): pema, i think maybe from the beginning we should introduce the idea that "retreat" is friendly and accommodating to both meditation-minded and more secular participants
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): this will set the healthy ground
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): nods
    Pema Pera: yes, Boxy
    Pema Pera: and changing the name will be a good first step
    Pema Pera: fitting for the 4th anniversary
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): cause now there's a feeling that less meditative types are excluded
    Pema Pera: that's totally wrong, but yes, I understand how that might inadvertently have happened
    Eos Amaterasu: word as obstacle
    Pema Pera: a "be-in"? hehehe
    Zen (zen.arado): can work the other way too though
    Eos Amaterasu: that was the idea
    Zen (zen.arado): I would tire of talking all day I think
    Zen (zen.arado): don't have the stamina for that
    Pema Pera: depends on the topic and kind of exchange, in my experience
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes, and 'talking' can be quite different from sharing company
    Pema Pera: if thoughtful, slow, considered, it feels very different
    Pema Pera: also, during retreats it was half off half on, half of the time in a group, half of the time on walks, etc, alone or in small groups, 2 or 3
    Lucinda Lavender: I am feeling the pauses provided is expected, anticipated space...switching gears regularly and getting comfy with that
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): It will need some good facilitation I think
    Pema Pera: not sure, Aph
    Eos Amaterasu: most of the time you're still on your own
    Pema Pera: in the 8 retreats I've attended, most of the structure was purely spontaneous
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal) has enjoyed every retreat in its own way, though they weren't always 'easy' and surely weren't predictable
    Pema Pera: *never* pre organized
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
    Pema Pera: and hardly steered in any way
    Eos Amaterasu: in Malta we got lost a lot
    Pema Pera: there was always a remarkably spontaneous group intelligence/intuition
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): There was a need in the Vashon retreat for more facilitation 
    Zen (zen.arado): some prefer structure, some feel a bit lost
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): we ended up sitting around and working on our laptops
    Eos Amaterasu: to some extent intuitively provide mommy being aspect for puppy beings to play safely]
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): easy to do...
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): there is definitely a need/desire for balance...
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I dont think of myself as a puppy being Eos
    Eos Amaterasu looks at boxy :-)
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): nor as the facilitator as mommy
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): i think for many it may be important to also be a tourist. walk around and explore the place.

    Eos Amaterasu: i think idea is sometimes to help encourage deeper, more personal, maybe more daring, exploration

    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): i just don't understand where the idea came from that these things couldn't happen
    Eos Amaterasu: in a relatively safe environments
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): that there isn't room for both
    Pema Pera: I was neither at the Seattle nor at the Berlin meeting -- Boxy, did anyone feel a need for someone to "facilitate" explicity in Berlin?
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): me neither Eliza
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): i don't think so, pema
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Berlin was different - it wasnt a retreat
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): each person, as with sessions, 'shows up' and has input into the recipe in a way
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): that's the theory
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): doesn't always work that way
    Eos Amaterasu: retreat is word applied to San Francisco and to New Orleans but not to Berlin, but perhaps they were not all that different?
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): berlin was different in a sense that no one expected you to enter meditation
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): it was a called a meet up
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): thereby distinguishing it
    Eos Amaterasu: nominally
    Pema Pera: "meditation" in any conceivable sense of the word NEVER happened in any of the 8 retreats I was part of . . . .
    (added later: this was too strong a statement.  What I meant was that none of the 8 retreats I was part of could be called a "meditation retreat" in any conceivable sense of the word, since the periods of silence were so few and short, and also because they were not structured as `meditation'.  Of course, individuals may well have been able to engage in brief meditations, if they were so inclined, during the short pauses. -- Pema)

    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): nominally?
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): exactly!
    Pema Pera: sitting on a cushion yes
    Pema Pera: pausing for 5 or 10 minutes, yes
    Pema Pera: as a way of showing respect to the group and reflecting what was said
    Lucinda Lavender: I have to go soon...find this discussion very interesting...
    Pema Pera: and letting the notions of play and of being settle
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): at Vashon, we sat (or most of us) sat for 10 minutes together
    Pema Pera: I'm really glad we have this conversation, I feel there is a lot to be cleared up and communicated!
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): we did 10 minutes 2 times as well in berlin
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yes, I feel more muddled than ever
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): aph :)
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): *licks you*
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and there was really positive feedback about those sessions boxy
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): we did it once a day in Vashon
    boxy's nose: Bruce slowly strokes boxy's wet nose
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): yes, eliza
    Pema Pera: how about spending this coming week thinking about a better word than "retreat" and continuing next Sunday at 8 am SLT, with a new name and ideas for how to spend those new-name meetings?
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): for some, 10 minutes is all they can do
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): they indeed don't sound much different than any other sessions in retreats, and actually more formal, no candles in any retreats I attended :)
    Pema Pera: freshly, from scratch?
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): i think expectation might be the key word here
    Pema Pera: yes!!
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): are we able to have a scholarship mechanism for meet-ups?
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yes agreed. I expected more than just playing together
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): how does that work Eliza? scholarships come from Kira, no?

    Pema Pera: the playing itself could deepen into a real sense of Being . . .
boxy (alfred.kelberry): eliza, i think it's possible for any meeting, if funds are available
    Pema Pera: funds could become available, if the goals are laid out clearly
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes as the structure is set now that there is a base budget and a fund that in some cases can be used to help toward costs for someone interested
    Pema Pera: the order of things, it seems to me, is to come up with a new structure and then to see how to fund those
    Zen (zen.arado): a meetup is really only intended to be a weekend ?
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): nods at Pema
    Pema Pera: everything is open, Zen
    Zen (zen.arado): so only intended for locals?
    Pema Pera: nothing put in stone
    Pema Pera: no, anybody who can and wants to come
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I gather most retreats have a structure however
    Pema Pera: from the corners of the Earth :)
    Pema Pera: no, Aph
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): time to eat, time to talk time to walk time to sleep
    Pema Pera: no
    Pema Pera: none of the retreats I ever attended
    Pema Pera: that was all decided spontaneously on the first day
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): it happened at Vashon and at Halifax
    Zen (zen.arado): but short prohibits long travel?
    Pema Pera: and adjusted when needed

    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes thats a good point, the first day discussion/meal is when things begin to take shape
    Pema Pera: good point, Zen, it probably is a good idea to have longer retreats
    Pema Pera: as well
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): who decided?
    Pema Pera: the group
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): in Vashon it was decided before we all met
    Pema Pera: someone made a suggestion
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Ideally, the "structure" emerges from the variety of energies, spontaneously and flexibly. . .
    Pema Pera: others amended
    Pema Pera: the group decided
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes, and then each person could see if what they needed was allowed for in that, and ask for what they would prefer
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): hmm
    Pema Pera: that never happened in any of the retreats I attended, I believe, Aph
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Bruce you were great about that in Vashon I remember
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ?
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Vashon?
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Me?
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes, having a personal idea of your own rhythm and needs
    Eos Amaterasu: there is usually initial facilitation, as in logistices (like finding a hotel in Berlin)....
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and working to communicate that with the group
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I believe bruce was in Halifax
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes my mistake
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hah
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Halifax
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but the point I was making was that someone who desired longer meditations could make space for those too
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): or for walks

    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): np -- yes, Eliza. . . Staying present to the flow - awareness of what's "being" at each moment - - seems required for emergence to happen....

    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): on their own perhaps
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): not with the group
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): which is fine
    Pema Pera: but more importantly than the question of what happened in "retreats" is to come up with a new name "X" and throw it all open and discuss what we might like to do in the future "X" meetings!
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): The literal meaning of "retreat" and "reflection" might also be considered . . .
    Pema Pera: shall we do that one week from now?
    Eliza (eliza.madrigal): OK :)
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): To "reflect" is to bend back. . . .
    Zen (zen.arado): sure
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Bye
    Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Bye! everyone
    Pema Pera: yes, Bruce, we should reconsider (hehe: re!) everything
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): bend back into . . . BYE everyone!
    Zen (zen.arado): bye all
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Time for Quaker Meeting.
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): All have a beautiful day.
    [the meeting dispersed pretty quickly] :)
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