2012.01.23 19:00 - To See What Kind of World I Could Find

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza...
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Samúð :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Eliza.. Playing Sitar I see.

    Eliza Madrigal: mhm, signed on a bit early for session and began nesting a bit
    oO0Oo Resident looks for eggs
    Eliza Madrigal: those are a longer process :)
    Eliza Madrigal: How are you tonight? Thoughts, considerations?
    oO0Oo Resident thinks.. and considers...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    sam and eliza_002.png

    oO0Oo Resident: Feeling appreciation for Torley Linden today. :) Might sound funny.
    Eliza Madrigal: Not silly, please go on?
    oO0Oo Resident: Since I have been inworld, I have benefited from and enjoyed many of his tutorial videos, and the unique personality that comes through.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lucinda :) We are appreciating Torley Linden :)
    Lucinda Lavender: did he design something you like?
    oO0Oo Resident: Today I watched a couple of RL videos.. one an interview with Torley, and one an autobiographical piece he did.
    Lucinda Lavender: nice:)
    Lucinda Lavender: lagging here...
    oO0Oo Resident: And it brought together .. explained some niggling aspects to what I had felt watching the many tutorials of his.
    oO0Oo Resident: HI Luci
    Lucinda Lavender: just lost my head actually for a second
    Lucinda Lavender: nice work Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: ::puts away sitar::: In conditions of SL lag the music may be a drag :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I have watched a few of his tutorials
    Lucinda Lavender: has been a while tho...
    Eliza Madrigal: What were the niggling aspects?
    oO0Oo Resident: Well, there were elements.. quirky, charming, highly original ways of thinking and expressing that came through alongside, curious social sensibilities, and other nebulous (for me) signals.. that I found intriguing and hard to understand in ways.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Contrecourant, at the moment we are appreciating Torley Linden :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Contre
    Eliza Madrigal: And the autobiographical piece shed light on perceived quirkiness?
    ContreCourant Resident: Hi
    Lucinda Lavender: HI Contre:)
    ContreCourant Resident: what autobiographical piece?
    ContreCourant Resident: Is dhe a key Linden person?
    ContreCourant Resident: she
    Lucinda Lavender: Luci goes looking...
    ContreCourant Resident: Oh. Thank you Lucinda
    oO0Oo Resident: I find Torley, an enthusiastic, caring, eccentric, and unique being, who is one of the most accessible Lindens over the years.

    ContreCourant Resident: wow. eccentric?
    Eliza Madrigal: Real gift when someone can translate their enthusiasm and experience in an accessible way
    ContreCourant Resident: Is Torley a man or a woman?
    Eliza Madrigal: especially with something like virtual worlds, which take a while to glom onto for some
    ContreCourant Resident: she(?) sounds like a visionary
    oO0Oo Resident: Torley is a man in RL, and manifest as many avatars in SL. His hallmark is watermelon coulers.. neon green and pink.. :)
    ContreCourant Resident: :-)
    oO0Oo Resident: I can link two videos for people to watch at their leisure.. just sec
    ContreCourant Resident: Thank you 0
    Eliza Madrigal: ty
    Lucinda Lavender: Nice...was not sure which thing to bring up...
    Eliza Madrigal: re virtual worlds, potential is vast but attachment to the familiar is too :)
    ContreCourant Resident: nods
    Lucinda Lavender: brb
    Eliza Madrigal: k
    ContreCourant Resident: It would be interesting to go to a SL conference and meet some of these people
    Eliza Madrigal: indeed so, I think the conference is in Boston this year
    Eliza Madrigal: must be fun to see the presentations
    ContreCourant Resident: Oh. Do you know when Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: and all the first meetings between people
    ContreCourant Resident: I wonder whether it will be accessible through SL?
    ContreCourant Resident: - the discussions and comments and presentations
    Lucinda Lavender: back
    ContreCourant Resident: H
    Eliza Madrigal: in March, and yes I think they do have combinations of SL/RL during the time for some events
    ContreCourant Resident: i
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    ContreCourant Resident: It would be a good way to get feedback from the users
    Eliza Madrigal: before I say that for sure I am not quite sure the link I am seeing is the right one
    ContreCourant Resident: Hello Koysta
    Eliza Madrigal: just as a qualifier :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Koysta , welcome
    Koysta Silent: Greetings.
    ContreCourant Resident: smiles at Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: You haven't quite rezzed yet Koysta but please feel free to join us
    ContreCourant Resident: Cute tail Koysta
    Eliza Madrigal: (ah, rezzed for me I guess!)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Koysta Silent: What exactly is going on?
    Lucinda Lavender: Luci looks for Koysta
    Eliza Madrigal: I'll give you a note about the group
    Lucinda Lavender: HI Koysta
    ContreCourant Resident: Koysta is standing on top of 0 and hasn't quite rezzed
    Lucinda Lavender: with these lovely trees it feels like spring...
    ContreCourant Resident: smiles
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Koysta :)
    oO0Oo Resident: welcome
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Luci
    oO0Oo Resident: Koysta is a friend
    ContreCourant Resident: except for the Christmas tree Luci
    Lucinda Lavender: right...
    ContreCourant Resident: a close friend
    Eliza Madrigal: The note I gave you will tell you a bit about the group Koysta, but the best way to get familiar is just to jump in and meet everyone
    ContreCourant Resident: I didn't receive a note Eliza. Could you send it again please?
    ContreCourant Resident: oh sorry. confused...
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, I'd given Koysta a note about PaB
    ContreCourant Resident: I thought you'd given me a note about mr. Linden
    Koysta Silent: Interesting.
    ContreCourant Resident: :-)
    Lucinda Lavender: I tried to send a note about PAB
    oO0Oo Resident: took a bit of time.. but here are some links for reference about Torley Linden. He has always struck me as a very nice person, and very generous.
    Eliza Madrigal: Koysta , we record our sessions and place them on a public wiki... May we have your permission to include your comments in the log ?
    Lucinda Lavender: not sure it worked


    oO0Oo Resident pauses for Koysta to respond
    Koysta Silent: What exactly is the purpose of that?
    Lucinda Lavender: ding
    ContreCourant Resident: a reasonable question Koysta
    Eliza Madrigal: a few purposes but the base purpose is that those who participate can read and in essence be part of sessions they aren't here for...
    Eliza Madrigal: there are many who are no longer here for instance, who still contribute in that way, that we can go back into another time  [eliza removed a repeat of 'for instance' here, speaking of quirks ;-)]
    oO0Oo Resident: Sometimes people like to sit and observe a few times, and then read the wiki, to get a sense of what it's about :)
    Eliza Madrigal: we sometimes go into fairly complex topics and it is nice to be able to find background and context in previous sessions
    ContreCourant Resident: We are all trying to understand our world Koysta and our place in it

    Eliza Madrigal: or to read something over again
    Koysta Silent: Ahh.
    Lucinda Lavender: Samud...did you put a link up abpout Torley Linden?
    oO0Oo Resident: .
    Torley Links: Interview with Torley Linden

    Torley's life with Asperger syndrome, hyperacusis, bipolar disorder, depression, etc.

    Torley has made hundreds of SL video tutorials, but a few listed for example:
    My favourite top 10 Torley Linden SL videos Posted by Daniel Voyager http://is.gd/n3FTat
    Torley's Second Life Wiki Portal: http://is.gd/K41A4j
    Lucinda Lavender: I am just wondering...
    ContreCourant Resident: Careful with those boots - you may kick someone! :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Sam
    Koysta Silent giggles.
    ContreCourant Resident: Thank you!
    Lucinda Lavender: wow...this is appreciated
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, am interested in the video re aspergers... didn't realize
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Koysta Silent: Hmm. I suppose I could sit in, see what goes on before I choose to be recorded or not.
    Eliza Madrigal: that's perfectly fine :)
    ContreCourant Resident: Grab a cushion
    ContreCourant Resident: Torey is great!!
    oO0Oo Resident: Many avies with some form of Autism in SL, and I know a few with Asperger's. I think this was the brilliance and quirky aspect of what I was seeing with Torley. Very endearing in a way for me.
    ContreCourant Resident: I'll save these for later. Thanks 0
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    ContreCourant Resident: Making the most of one's assets!!
    oO0Oo Resident: He's super prolific
    oO0Oo Resident: many areas
    Eliza Madrigal: uniqueness of challenges and (subsequently?) view
    Lucinda Lavender: his voice is memorable
    ContreCourant Resident: Like the TED video you showed last night
    oO0Oo Resident: yes.. he is brilliant in certain ways
    oO0Oo Resident: as are we all :)
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, the TED video with the jazz quartet?
    Eliza Madrigal: that was fantastic
    ContreCourant Resident: Koya, please come and sit beside me
    ContreCourant Resident: yes. very good video- made their point very well too--and great jazz
    Lucinda Lavender: listening us and Torley on Aspergers:)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    ContreCourant Resident: hard to do both isn't it?
    Lucinda Lavender: kind of yes...
    Lucinda Lavender: and I am always torn...
    Eliza Madrigal: as we've been sharing more videos it makes the recording all the more helpful :)
    ContreCourant Resident: what is the difference between Aspergers and Autism
    Lucinda Lavender: May I say also...my feet are cold
    ContreCourant Resident: sure
    Lucinda Lavender: and my car is broken:)
    Eliza Madrigal: aw Luci
    ContreCourant Resident: awww
    Lucinda Lavender: and it will be a very differnt week
    Eliza Madrigal: but you have cute hair
    ContreCourant Resident: the first is easily fixed
    Lucinda Lavender: but yes...
    Lucinda Lavender: LUci goes to turn on the heat...
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lawrence :)
    ContreCourant Resident: put on warm socks
    ContreCourant Resident: Hi Lawrence
    Lucinda Lavender: and take off the boots ...
    oO0Oo Resident: Asperger's is a form of Autism
    Eliza Madrigal: Aspergers has probably been around for a long time but only recently been validated as on the autism spectrum
    Lawrence Vyceratops: hello
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Lawrence
    ContreCourant Resident: oh.one type?
    Eliza Madrigal: wide range of what people simply found quirky or ill-mannered in some cases
    Eliza Madrigal: but also often strong abilities to focus in and to cut through bs :)
    ContreCourant Resident: they are a-social beings in general I believe
    Lucinda Lavender: as a preschool teacher...I have had some experience...
    ContreCourant Resident: but not good with social skills
    Eliza Madrigal: well that's sort of complex too
    Koysta Silent: I have a friend who has asperfers...
    oO0Oo Resident: Asperger Syndrome: http://is.gd/kLh22d
    ContreCourant Resident: :-) thanks 0
    Lucinda Lavender: I love to see self aware people able to explain their experience like this

    Eliza Madrigal: one fascinating thing is that one way they are able to learn about kids on the spectrum who are less extreme is by magic tricks... often someone with aspergers won't fall for them
    ContreCourant Resident: How is your friend managing Koysta?
    ContreCourant Resident wonders what part of the brain is affected
    ContreCourant Resident: and whether it is inherited
    Koysta Silent: Very well. Him and I take this film class, and he focuses his skills all on writing. He's a very good writer, and thinks quickly.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    ContreCourant Resident: nods
    ContreCourant Resident: interesting. Perhaps they see things more as they are
    Eliza Madrigal: there is a bit of being trapped 'inside' however, due to missing social cues
    Lucinda Lavender: nods
    ContreCourant Resident: do you know if they can learn these cues, can they be taught?
    Eliza Madrigal: well depending on where they fall on the spectrum they can learn skills as we all can
    Eliza Madrigal: but difficult to teach them in a sort of 'you should do this' way
    Eliza Madrigal: does that concur with your experience Luci?
    ContreCourant Resident: nods. they an be so subtle
    Lucinda Lavender: well my expereince has been brief...only a few kids...transitions were difficult for them...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: one child knew everything about the solar system
    ContreCourant Resident: Luci- you work with kids?
    Lucinda Lavender: going out side was uncomfortable
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...mostessori play based preschool
    Eliza Madrigal: Luci's a master :)
    ContreCourant Resident: how wonderful
    ContreCourant Resident: Lucky kids!
    Eliza Madrigal: I know because her techniques work on me, lol
    Lucinda Lavender: new things to learn...every day!!
    ContreCourant Resident: for you as well as them?
    Koysta Silent: Sounds like fun.
    oO0Oo Resident: Torley has a bit of a cult following and certainly explains aspects of SL very well. Another well loved , long standing avie, Tateru Nino, also has Asperger Syndrome, and her blog about SL, DwellOnIt,, is in my mind, very incisive and clear about things, often with highly unique perspectives.. http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/
    Lucinda Lavender: ha! yes...today I learned that the great wall of china is at least 2200 years old...
    ContreCourant Resident: Very useful!
    Lucinda Lavender: and the children made a wall...
    ContreCourant Resident: Thanks 0 for that link
    oO0Oo Resident: There is a great wall sim Luci :) Would you like the LM?
    Lucinda Lavender: sure!
    Lucinda Lavender: smiling
    Eliza Madrigal: Lawrence, you are very quiet :) Child in arms?
    Lawrence Vyceratops: just reading :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) k
    Lawrence Vyceratops: "listening" whatever ;)
    ContreCourant Resident: Wow, there is so much on the net, I could spend all day just reading
    Eliza Madrigal: often do :)
    ContreCourant Resident: a bit overwhelming
    ContreCourant Resident: what to choose to spend my time doing
    Koysta Silent: It's fascinating. When I'm not on sl, I usually like learning about myself. My own disability included.
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks for the Wall link
    ContreCourant Resident: Disability Koysta?
    Koysta Silent: I have Cerebral Palsy, along with Epilepsy.
    Koysta Silent: It's interesting how it effects people so differently.
    ContreCourant Resident: I'm sorry

    Eliza Madrigal: wide spectrum there as well... and yes, difficult in many ways I'm sure
    Koysta Silent: Don't be sorry. I am who I am because of it.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    ContreCourant Resident: :-)
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Koysta Silent: Wouldn't wanna be anyone else
    ContreCourant Resident: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye ContreCourant, have a good night
    ContreCourant Resident: Thank you all. I do enjoy spending time here
    Eliza Madrigal: :) thanks
    Lucinda Lavender: nice to meet you:)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tess :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Bye Contre.. Happy reading :)
    ContreCourant Resident: Nice to meet you too Luci
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Tess
    ContreCourant Resident: smiles- yes. a lot to read. Bye
    Lucinda Lavender: HI Tess...
    Eliza Madrigal: Good to see you Tess, we've been appreciating Torley Linden which led to a discussion of Aspergers and gifts that come from limitations
    Eliza Madrigal: I can't help but think of Stim (one of those guardians not around so much now) who said "the way we're limited is the way we're free"... stuck with me
    oO0Oo Resident: oh wow
    oO0Oo Resident: nice quote
    Lucinda Lavender: interesting way of seeing
    Eliza Madrigal: isn't it though
    Koysta Silent: I found it fascinating.
    Lawrence Vyceratops: i don't get it....
    Lawrence Vyceratops: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I've been thinking about it for a few years and can't say I 'get' it either but it is something that feels to open my world
    Eliza Madrigal: think what Koysta said about not wanting to be anyone else points there too?
    oO0Oo Resident nods
    Lucinda Lavender: Luci erases
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: There is a magic to the backspace key in SL :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Maggie :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I should go to figure our the limitations of my week. Wish you all well!
    Eliza Madrigal: Wish you well too Luci :)
    Lawrence Vyceratops: night Luci
    Lawrence Vyceratops: hi, Tess
    Koysta Silent: The way I look at it is I could easily wish I was someone else, with the sense of those capable of using both hands, and not have to wrry about a limitation there. But at the same time to think of being that other person would be taking myself away, of who I have been my wole life.
    oO0Oo Resident: Wish you well too Luci.. ntsy :)
    Eliza Madrigal: true, that's a lot of perspective
    oO0Oo Resident nods
    Lawrence Vyceratops: i think a lot of people wish they were someone else.
    Eliza Madrigal: or had components of someone else in any event
    oO0Oo Resident: or wish someone else was other than who they are
    Koysta Silent: My limits are being unable to use both hands. But with understanding that, I cant imagine myself being able to use both even if I became someone else.
    Tess Aristocrat: I just wish I could sometimes be visible as many times I feel invisible in my rl.
    Eliza Madrigal: ah wow
    Eliza Madrigal: yes the desire to be seen, heard, even the ever-illusive understood
    Koysta Silent: Think that's why I got sucked into sl.
    oO0Oo Resident: I'd opt for selective visibility.. sometimes visible, and sometime not.. but it is hard when they don't occur at favourable times.
    Eliza Madrigal: feeling that you were haard Koysta?

    Koysta Silent: When I was younger, in high school and fresh out I felt invisable and left out. Unheard. Coming to a place like this literally forces a person to get to know the other, because if you in person were to avoid someone like myself, unless I state it you wouldn't know. Therefore forced to hear me out and pay attention.
    Eliza Madrigal: quite liberating!
    oO0Oo Resident: SL really affords amazing ways to connect, potentially bypassing all manner of bias.. Getting to the "essence" of people as Wol says
    Eliza Madrigal: the first thing I did when having internet access back in 1994 or so, was to add years onto my age
    Tess Aristocrat: nods, at least you can get your sentence in there without people talking over it. :)
    Koysta Silent: My focus was to see what kind of a world I could find, and therefore be apart of. Do something I can't literally do otherwise.
    Tess Aristocrat: Well, I have stayed later than I thought already! It's past my bedtime again!
    Eliza Madrigal: Is it work that you feel this way Tess?
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah :) Night Tess
    Lawrence Vyceratops: night, Tess
    Tess Aristocrat: Goodnight dear people
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: I find that inspiring Koysta
    oO0Oo Resident: Night Tess.. :)
    Koysta Silent smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: It isn't really the way I've approached SL... seems I default pretty close to home even in avatars, but with an occasional burst of fancy :)
    Eliza Madrigal: but it is really interesting when people are able to stretch the medium, suspend judgment and identity, as we sometimes talk about here
    oO0Oo Resident: Something of our nature comes through our made appearances..
    oO0Oo Resident: even to our own self image in RL.. I think SL helps with that journey
    Koysta Silent: I'm an artist offline, so I not only do art there, but try to make my avatars look artzy looking. Based on their own rp personalities.
    Koysta Silent: But again, my own personality comes through too.
    oO0Oo Resident: pixels.. the non-toxic make up
    Koysta Silent giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: It was a pleasure to meet you Koysta. If you are not comfortable with recording, is it okay if I change your name to "visitor" and leave your comments?

    Koysta Silent: I actually got back to thinking about that. I do noot mind, because I was able to get a good idea what goes on, in such a little time.
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Happy to hear that you felt/feel comfortable
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: every session is quite different
    Eliza Madrigal: we're here 7am,1pm,7pm.. and many 1ams as well
    Eliza Madrigal: not same avies, hah
    oO0Oo Resident: If you read some of the logs going bac kalmost 4 years Koysta.. you can get more of a feel.
    oO0Oo Resident: Glad you were able to come.
    Koysta Silent: Ahh. Yes. I'm glad I have.
    oO0Oo Resident: I need to go unfortunately...
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks for a lovely and interesting talk, really have enjoyed and benefited :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Thanks yes.. a nice one :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now, and thanks too for the links Sam
    Lawrence Vyceratops: is everyone leaving?
    Lawrence Vyceratops: bye, Eliza
    oO0Oo Resident: Bye Lawrence, Koysta :)
    Lawrence Vyceratops: bye :)
    Eliza Madrigal: bye for now :)
    Lawrence Vyceratops: i guess that's the end?
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    What a great session Eliza! Would have liked to be there. Thanks for video links oOOOo, I'm a Torley Linden's fan too and it's enlightening to learn he has Asperger syndrom. Looking forward to meeting all the interesting PaB newcomers!
    Posted 12:51, 24 Jan 2012
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