2012.01.24 07:00 - Good Tips, Birth, Cybersex and Image

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.
    Helping today were Bert, Multi1, Botty, dRuth and Korel (small visit by ContreCourant).

    This was both a 1.5 hour session and an almost 3 hour chat.


    Bertram Jacobus: hi multi ! :-)
    Multiverse1 Resident: hi bertram,
    new trees grow in the forest, I see
    Bertram Jacobus: i see you as the well known (?) little cloud ... ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes - they are new to me as well

         Riddle's computer is having boot and run correctly problems, so Botty comes to tell everybody, but stays
    Bertram Jacobus: hi botty ! :-)
    Multiverse1 Resident: Am I always, thus
    Multiverse1 Resident: a cloud?
    Multiverse1 Resident: hiya botty
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. you don´t know that multi? when not completely rezzed, avatars often appear as clouds ...
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes, for a tyme then
    Botty Absent: good morning Multiverse1, Bertram and dRuth
    druth Vlodovic: hey

    Botty Absent: Riddle will be here soon
    Multiverse1 Resident: usually only 30 secs or so for me
    Bertram Jacobus: pushing ctrl+alt+r sometimes helps ...
    Botty Absent: the user computer is not waking up today
    Botty Absent: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hi druth ! :-)
    Multiverse1 Resident: I use rebake if need be
    Multiverse1 Resident: hiya druth
    Bertram Jacobus: ctrl*alt+r does the rebake thing ...
    druth Vlodovic: I rather like being an undefined cloud :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes, cloudy is sometymes warmer

    Multiverse1 Resident: a tree might be nice
    Bertram Jacobus: but ... your avatar´s appearance is very different, new today druth (?) :-)
    druth Vlodovic: I change from time to time
    Botty Absent: amazing how each of us is born the same in SL
    Botty Absent: a cloud then a Ruth
    Botty Absent: then us :)
    Bertram Jacobus giggles
    druth Vlodovic: sometimes I switch viewersw just so they'll dress me funny :)
    druth Vlodovic: good for when you don't know what you are

    Botty Absent: does anybody know why/how the tree is here?
    Bertram Jacobus: but, botty - i think, i was born in another way here : first as a standard avatar (not ruth) , then modified part by part ...

    Multiverse1 Resident: I preened my invenstory this day, and rid myself of 100's of things. I feel as light as a cloud now.
    Bertram Jacobus: i only saw, that they belong to eliza botty ...
    druth Vlodovic: people keep trying to put their stamp on the pavillion
    Multiverse1 Resident: it was her rezz day yesterday, maybe they have significance
    Bertram Jacobus: ah
    Botty Absent: it is a really nice tree
    druth Vlodovic: you should see the wiki, they like to accumulate things here :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: perhaps they grew here, before the pavilion
    Bertram Jacobus: really ? accumulate ? i find and found it so nice so far that it is nor overfilled so to say here
    Botty Absent: and like to take photos for the wiki of the accumulation here

    druth Vlodovic: "preened my inventory" :)
    druth Vlodovic: nice when you can sort it by preening
    Botty Absent: please leave the sesson unclaimed, riddle may be here to do it
    Botty Absent: maybe soon
    Botty Absent: like last nights airplane
    Multiverse1 Resident: when preening my invenstory I thought about the boxes and icons for each. Then how upon rezzing them they "materialize" in front of my sl eyes. The tress may have been here all along. Only in a tiny little box, only to be open for a tyme.
    Bertram Jacobus: she could claim it as well when someone else claimed it before - the system is organized like that : whenever somebody claims it, the former claims are cancelled botty
    Multiverse1 Resident: oh yes, me stupid at tymes, Pruning
    druth Vlodovic: :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: still want to find the owl, here
    druth Vlodovic: oh? what would you do with it?
    Botty Absent: preening as the owl does
    druth Vlodovic: hi korel
    Botty Absent: Hi Korel
    Korel Laloix: osiyo
    Bertram Jacobus: hi korel

    Korel Laloix: What kind of trees are those?
    Multiverse1 Resident: Eliza trees?
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Multiverse1 Resident: Hiya, Korel
    Bertram Jacobus: "kanzan cherry trees"
    Korel Laloix: Anyone else not seeing Multi?
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes, the blossoms
    Multiverse1 Resident: hmm,
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. me korel
    Korel Laloix: OK, so not just me then.
    druth Vlodovic: he overpruned his inventory, now there's nothing left of him
    Botty Absent: wel, see multi cloud
    Multiverse1 Resident: Eliza I said was bloosoming yesterday in fact.
    Korel Laloix: My inventory was swollen to 298, I need to trim it again... smiles
    Multiverse1 Resident: I might like being a cloud avatar
    Korel Laloix: Can you see yourself Multi?
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes
    druth Vlodovic: "I am just here, nothing else" :-)

         GoC Riddle finally arrives
    druth Vlodovic: hi riddle
    Korel Laloix: Heya.

    Korel Laloix: So you are rezzed in your view, but not in ours?
    Riddle Sideways: Hi all, sorry am late
    Multiverse1 Resident: yep
    Bertram Jacobus: hi riddle - np ! :-)
    Korel Laloix: We were waiting on you to start.
    Multiverse1 Resident: guess so
    Riddle Sideways: just flew into town
    Riddle Sideways: and boy are my arms tired,    Ba Dum
    Multiverse1 Resident: the riddle bird has wings
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, old henny youngmen (or older) joke
    druth Vlodovic: and here I thought it was original :)

    Botty Absent: may I still sit here
    Riddle Sideways: sure
    Botty Absent: thanks
    Riddle Sideways: and thanks for covering
    Korel Laloix: If anyone can't see Mulit, try going into yoru debug settings and change the RenderUnloadedAvatar indication to True.

    druth Vlodovic: we're sort of discussing image and it's meaning, I notice you've still got a sort of noob skin etc riddle...
    Bertram Jacobus: where can i find the debug settings ?
    Multiverse1 Resident: I need to find a cloud avi
    Korel Laloix: Do you have your Advanced menu shwoing?
    Bertram Jacobus: yes
    Riddle Sideways: yeah, not done the purchase of skin and hair
    druth Vlodovic: people keep trying to make one, I don't know why LL hasn't marketed it yet
    druth Vlodovic: why not?
    Korel Laloix: Try Cnt Alt Sft S
    Riddle Sideways: Multi, what if you rebake your textures?
    Korel Laloix: Should bring it up.
    Multiverse1 Resident: did.I'll try something else
    Korel Laloix: Then type in RenderUnlo.....
    druth Vlodovic: we don't like the vagaries of chance around here :)
    Korel Laloix: And set to true.
    druth Vlodovic: enjoy ambiguity
    Korel Laloix: I am not much for ambiguity.
    Korel Laloix: Waaaaaay too type A for that.

    Bertram Jacobus: wow - that worked - ty korel ! :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: sry for having disturbed the silence ...
    druth Vlodovic: achoo!
    Riddle Sideways: bless you

         About here druth and riddle start an IM session about SL/Avatar Image.
          Some of it is personal and removed, but became general and good, so much is included at the end.

    druth Vlodovic: so who looks like their av in RL?
    Riddle Sideways: ha, use to
    druth Vlodovic: why did you change?
    Riddle Sideways: with age the hair has gotten shorter
    Bertram Jacobus: sry - telephone - afk ...
    Botty Absent: I don't have a RL look :)
    Korel Laloix: My pleasure.
    druth Vlodovic: botty is a luminous cloud in the physical realm :)
    Riddle Sideways: botty is a bunch of software :)
    druth Vlodovic: maybe i shouldn't ask, people spend hours sometimes on their avs, but get embarassed when questioned about it
    Korel Laloix: That is a unique fashions statement for sure.
    Korel Laloix: Right now, I am trying to make my AV as close to me as RL as I can.
    Korel Laloix: But I have had others phases that were very the opostie.
    Korel Laloix: Or when I just did nt care.
    Riddle Sideways: yes, the different phases and moods

    Korel Laloix: At one point, I changed my RL hair to match my SL hair.
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    druth Vlodovic: :)
    Korel Laloix: Still that way now really, but using SL to look at new styles.
    Riddle Sideways: good use of SL
    druth Vlodovic: why do you want your av to look like your rl?
    Korel Laloix: This is the hair I changed my RL to match.
    Riddle Sideways: went shopping for hair and did not find anything right
    Korel Laloix: I have thought about that.
    Riddle Sideways: /listens
    Korel Laloix: I went through a period where a lot of people were trying to get me away from my ethnic background.
    Korel Laloix: And when I figure that out, i really rushed the opostie direction, and chaning my AV to be more like me RL became important to me.
    Korel Laloix: At least that is a theory.
    druth Vlodovic: :)
    Korel Laloix: Hard to objectively observe yourself.
    druth Vlodovic: we aren't really our consciousness, no matter how much we might like to believe we are

    Riddle Sideways: wb multi1
    druth Vlodovic: wb multi
    Bertram Jacobus: i´m back as well
    druth Vlodovic: wb bert
    Bertram Jacobus: ty druth :-)
    Riddle Sideways: wb
    Bertram Jacobus: ty riddle :-9

    druth Vlodovic: I met a girl who would keep giving me different shapes and skins and insisting I change when we were together
    Bertram Jacobus: oops - the ugly nine ! :o)
    Multiverse1 Resident: very strange this world we reside in
    Korel Laloix: I have had a few people that wanted to paly with my shape as well.
    Bertram Jacobus: did you change druth ?
    Korel Laloix: Nto figure that one out.
    druth Vlodovic: I did,
    druth Vlodovic: didn't really like it though
    Bertram Jacobus: one of my first experiences in sl i remember very well that somebody gave me the advice that i shouldn´t insist - i appreaciated that advice very much and never did that again ... and am really thankful for that very nice sl help ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: + was
    druth Vlodovic: "insist"?
    Bertram Jacobus: yes ! didn´t you write about insisting right before druth ?
    druth Vlodovic: lol, I type faster than think
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe - okay ... :o)
    druth Vlodovic: like bert my present form has developed over time and circumstance
    druth Vlodovic: not really designed

    Bertram Jacobus: yes. but we can give people the pleasure to try a change because we can switch back to the former appearance whenever we like ... a nice feature here ! ... ;-)

    Riddle Sideways: sometimes rezzing up in the morning and looking in the closet at the who I might be today. Somedays just need to be a small elephant
    druth Vlodovic: the results of an experiment can be suprising
    Korel Laloix: It is interesting though how everyone seems exagerate almost evertying if they can.
    druth Vlodovic: why were people trying to get you away from your heritage korel?
    Korel Laloix: Everyone is taller, at least d cups, trim.
    Korel Laloix: I have not seen a fat AV in a month.
    druth Vlodovic: lol, you should have seen two years ago
    Korel Laloix: Is the community inspiring to be more attractive or running from RL?
    Riddle Sideways: hmmm, that image of not being fat
    Korel Laloix: AVs are pretty normalish here I think.

    druth Vlodovic: imagine an afterlife that promises you a spiritual body that looks like you at 90 years and plus 40 pounds
    Riddle Sideways: oh dear, bad image
    Multiverse1 Resident: then that would be the new normal
    Bertram Jacobus: some people seem to be motivated in the way you write it korel, but for some is it different - to me, for example, it´s a nice addition, a nice game to play - as being (!) ... ;-)
    Korel Laloix: Yes, it is more of a game to some.
    Korel Laloix: I think that particularly of those that stay in sex sims.

    Multiverse1 Resident: Are there rules to this game then?
    Korel Laloix: But that is just an impression.
    Multiverse1 Resident: ah, we make our own
    druth Vlodovic: don't dis the sex sims, lots of really nice sensitive people there
    Korel Laloix: Evidently they are don't be fat, be white, be tall, and have great hair.
    Bertram Jacobus: there are some laws, which give rules in both lives, yes multi

    Korel Laloix: I actually joined SL to do a paper on SL cybersex.... lol
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes, I know
    Korel Laloix: It was pretty amuzing and enjoyable.
    Multiverse1 Resident: find that an interesting one Korel.
    Korel Laloix: And I did meat some great people.
    Multiverse1 Resident: maybe I'll try it one day.
    Riddle Sideways: huge percentage probably joined when they read about the wonderful cybersex
    Multiverse1 Resident: seems, errr, somehow, not "real" in my head though
    Korel Laloix: Interacive porn.
    Riddle Sideways: said they were just coming to read the articles
    Bertram Jacobus: i did the sex things as well - and have the impression, that one can try out here a lot and then one can be satisfied after a while and then one can do more other things ...
    druth Vlodovic: sex, gambling, education and spirituality welcome to SL
    Multiverse1 Resident: that's probably a good descri[ption, interactive porn
    Korel Laloix: Not my words, one of the people I interviewed said that.

    druth Vlodovic: if you immerse yourself enough it is real
    Multiverse1 Resident: makes sense
    druth Vlodovic: you can feel a person touch you, smell and hear over text :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: it is real, cybersex
    druth Vlodovic: there is even a technical name for that, though I forget what it is
    Multiverse1 Resident: projection
    Korel Laloix: The most important organ in sex is your brain, not your genatals.
    Korel Laloix: So it is real enough in a pysical sense as well.
    Multiverse1 Resident: well, I feel they play equal in measuse myself
    Multiverse1 Resident: measure
    Korel Laloix: OK.
    Multiverse1 Resident: ok, too
    druth Vlodovic: of course, being a researcher korel has only interviewed people about it, never tried :->
    Bertram Jacobus: sl and the net gives new experiences, can give more freedom - and i think, the developement will go on - in the direction of the movie "avatar" - i await that in future it will be possible to feel as well via the net, to smell and to taste - all the sensual impressions. because that is a strong wish of many people - (of the most?) ...
    druth Vlodovic: I don't know
    Korel Laloix: lol... I won't even try to make that claim.
    druth Vlodovic: :)
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    druth Vlodovic: even if "the feelies" were around, I think I'd like to use just text and imagination
    Korel Laloix: I admit I gave it a try...... or two.... or twelve.
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes, I see that movie ability in the near future, as well as smellarama, and sensation also. It becomes inevitable in this realm.
    druth Vlodovic: sometimes
    Bertram Jacobus: one advantage is, that you can choose what you want to have and get rid of all that with only one click at every moment (!)

    Multiverse1 Resident: poof
    Multiverse1 Resident: oh yes, can you all see me now?
    Riddle Sideways: yes, multo
    Riddle Sideways: *multi
    Korel Laloix: Yes, you are green, short with giant blue lips right?
    Korel Laloix: The winds add a bit as well.
    Korel Laloix: wings
    Multiverse1 Resident: I am mulato actually
    druth Vlodovic: yes, the cloud is gone ;.( but the big guy with the nifty hat is here! yayy!
    Multiverse1 Resident: not, but hehe
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. already since i followed korels hints multi ! :-)
    Korel Laloix: Honesly Mulit, you looked better with breasts.
    Multiverse1 Resident: I only find people not rezzed for a few seconds at most usually
    Multiverse1 Resident: I'll have to find some D cups for you Korel.
    Korel Laloix: The main reasons some AVs don't load for a while is that there is one item you are wearing is not loading.
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes
    Korel Laloix: And SL won't rez your AV until everyint is loaded.
    Multiverse1 Resident: done that
    Bertram Jacobus: i sometimes see people not rezzed for seconds, somtimes for minutes, sometimes for the whole time i´m in sl with them ...
    Korel Laloix: SOif you force it with the RenderUnloaded thing, it goes around that feature.
    Bertram Jacobus: but may be, korel´s help will change that from now on (!) ... :-)
    Multiverse1 Resident: maybe today even, since I went through my invenstory earlier.
    Multiverse1 Resident: I am still an infant in this Linden world.
    Korel Laloix: I have picked up a few tricks along the way.
    druth Vlodovic: when i think too much about my inventory it gets bigger :(
    Bertram Jacobus: often very helpful korel ! ... :-)
    Korel Laloix smiles

    Botty Absent: just learned that hitting cntrl-\ when the bell/gong been the last spoken, has you focus on the fountain
    Bertram Jacobus: lol druth - i thought about it as well - mine shows 11.366 items at the moment ... ;-)
    Botty Absent: it is a real speaker :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: The owl may reside within then
    Korel Laloix: Do I need to do a special PaB inventory management class?
    Riddle Sideways: oh, the owl lives outside the circle
    Riddle Sideways: found it one day
    Multiverse1 Resident: got rid of 500 things at least today. Down to 4900, I'll do some heavy pruning later
    Bertram Jacobus: not for me - i´m member of a REALLY great sl school group - but sry : it´s in german ...
    Multiverse1 Resident: nice riddle
    druth Vlodovic: there really is an owl?
    Bertram Jacobus: much of all that is a matter of time nowadays

    Multiverse1 Resident: I wonder if the trees have roots here
    Multiverse1 Resident: I often wonder what they look like under the earth in rl
    Bertram Jacobus: i think, there may be some with and most will have no roots multi ... ;-)

    Korel Laloix: YOu want a way to instantly trim your inventory by a bit?
    druth Vlodovic: camera stright down, you'll see interesting things
    Riddle Sideways: that is the falcon, not the owl
    druth Vlodovic: uh oh, I suspect korel is going to suggest the old "throw out anything you haven't looked at in a year" thing that I tell myself about three years after I move in RL
    Bertram Jacobus: wow - already 8:14 sl time ! so i think, i´ll leave - ty everybody and be happy pls, every being ! :-)
    Korel Laloix: No...
    Korel Laloix smiles
    druth Vlodovic: have fun bert
    Korel Laloix: Go back to your debug settings.
    Riddle Sideways: bye Bert
    Multiverse1 Resident: Bye Burt
    Bertram Jacobus: [ty] :-)
    Korel Laloix: ᏘᎲᎢᏍ ᎢᏍ ᏍᏔᏛᎠᎾᎦᎡ.
    Korel Laloix: ᎨᏛᎨ
    Riddle Sideways: bye korel
    Botty Absent: gotta go too, this is the wrong viewer
    Riddle Sideways: bye botty
    druth Vlodovic: umm, bye everyone who just vanished
    Multiverse1 Resident: bye
    Riddle Sideways: wb korel

    Multiverse1 Resident: ah korel is back
    Multiverse1 Resident: a grey being to me now
    Korel Laloix: My test turned all to periods... strange.
    Riddle Sideways: the translator could not handle what you said, Korel
    druth Vlodovic: "ebug settings"?
    Multiverse1 Resident: now complete
    Korel Laloix: Anyway...
    Multiverse1 Resident: debug
    druth Vlodovic: oh
    Korel Laloix: ᎦᏍᎩᎦᏍᏗᎩᎦᏍᏗᎩᎠᏍᏗ
    Multiverse1 Resident: get only boxes
    Riddle Sideways: little square boxes and they all looked just the same
    druth Vlodovic: you have a translator that still works riddle?
    Riddle Sideways: not sure if it is working
    druth Vlodovic: my goolge based ones all conked out a while back
    Korel Laloix: I think I am back... smiles
    Riddle Sideways: am getting an appId parameter error

    Korel Laloix: If you want to reduce you inventory, try this.
    Korel Laloix: IN your debug settings.....
    druth Vlodovic: 'k
    Korel Laloix: Find NOInventoryLibrary and set to True.
    Korel Laloix: The enxt time you log on it will not load that part.
    Multiverse1 Resident: oh, I can get rid of the preloads!!??
    Korel Laloix: Yes.
    druth Vlodovic: oh, but they got nifty stuff in there!
    Riddle Sideways: ok, thanks
    Korel Laloix: If you use it.
    Multiverse1 Resident: wow, thx Korel, was trying to figure that one out for awhile now.
    Korel Laloix: I don't.
    druth Vlodovic: well, me neither
    Korel Laloix: lol
    druth Vlodovic: but that's not the point!
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Korel Laloix: But if you want yoru inventory down under to a few hundred, it is good to get rid of that.
    Korel Laloix: Takes less time to load when you clear your cache as well.
    Riddle Sideways: what if using some of library items?
    Multiverse1 Resident: plus get rid of all the excess landmarks and cards
    druth Vlodovic: I don't really care about numbers, I just want to be able to find what i have
    Multiverse1 Resident: copy them 1st I would imagine
    druth Vlodovic: oh, yeah
    Korel Laloix: If you are using them, they get moved to your regular inventory.
    Multiverse1 Resident: move them to a folder
    Korel Laloix: SL does it for you.
    druth Vlodovic: then I start going to the landmarks to see "is this one I might like to keep?"
    Riddle Sideways: or use the search box
    Korel Laloix: So you don't have to move it.
    Riddle Sideways: but need to know name
    druth Vlodovic: it's like cleaning out your grandparent's attic
    Multiverse1 Resident: rename them
    Korel Laloix: So there are some good SL tips for today.... smiles
    Multiverse1 Resident: thnx Korel, a little bit helps for me.
    druth Vlodovic: Korel is a natural born teacher :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes
    Multiverse1 Resident: step by step

    Korel Laloix: When not annoying people.
    Multiverse1 Resident: haven't seen that happen yet
    Korel Laloix: We just have to get on the right topics.
    Korel Laloix: Seems to happen a bit more in RL these days than in SL.
    druth Vlodovic: annoying people is the first step towards teaching them, I usually stop right between the two steps
    Multiverse1 Resident: oh oh. I know a few of your buttons
    druth Vlodovic: oh oh! give!
    Korel Laloix: That is a good method, will remember tha tone.
    Korel Laloix: that one
    druth Vlodovic: aww
    Korel Laloix: The season will get better when the elections get closer.
    Multiverse1 Resident: bite 1st, then chew slowly
    Korel Laloix: That is a good one as well... smiles
    Multiverse1 Resident: Have to travel , Be well Korel, Riddle and druth
    druth Vlodovic: have fun multi
    Korel Laloix: Take care.

    Multiverse1 Resident: ok I will
    Korel Laloix: OK. Time to go as well.
    Korel Laloix: Ciao all... smiles
    Riddle Sideways: (kitty in face, could not type) bye Mult and Kore

    druth Vlodovic: love to be a cat
    Riddle Sideways: this is face kitty
    Riddle Sideways: loves to be in faces
    Riddle Sideways: gives kisses
    druth Vlodovic: the face is where "you" are to them
    Riddle Sideways: at least to this cat
    druth Vlodovic: and where your attention is is where they want to be, keyboard, newspaper...
    Riddle Sideways: she was bottle feed
    druth Vlodovic: oh neat
    druth Vlodovic: for how long?
    Riddle Sideways: only a few weeks, but knows faces as loving

         an hour passes
    druth Vlodovic: hi contre
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Contre
    ContreCourant Resident: Hi
    sorry for my rudeness
    ContreCourant Resident: I realized I couldn't stay and didn't see you right away
    druth Vlodovic: np
    ContreCourant Resident: I remembered a dr's appointment. :-(
    Riddle Sideways: wb
    ContreCourant Resident: Bye for now
    Riddle Sideways: bye
    ContreCourant Resident: :-)
    druth Vlodovic: cya :)

    Riddle Sideways: has that pabBox been there all session?
    Riddle Sideways: did not see it until now!


         From that point back at 7:32 an IM had been going on that contained (heavily edited) some of the following.

    [07:32] druth Vlodovic: of course if it's personal I won't ask, but i do find it interesting when people don't work on an image in SL
    [07:32] druth Vlodovic: I wonder if there is a reason for it
    [07:32] druth Vlodovic: or the mindset behind it
    [07:32] Riddle Sideways: yes interesting both ways
    [08:36] druth Vlodovic: I'll tell you something about gender in SL
    [08:36] druth Vlodovic: in RL males "do" and females "are"
    [08:36] druth Vlodovic: meaning men have to perform
    [08:36] Riddle Sideways: /listens
    [08:36] druth Vlodovic: and females have to act and look right
    [08:36] druth Vlodovic: in SL "looking right" is a matter of shopping
    [08:37] druth Vlodovic: and "acting right" is mostly a matter of the expectations of others
    [08:37] druth Vlodovic: which is why more people want to be female than male
    [08:37] druth Vlodovic: it gives you the most freedom to be yourself
    [08:37] druth Vlodovic: without judgement
    [08:38] Riddle Sideways: and in SL
    [08:38] druth Vlodovic: in SL the requirements put on females are chooseable from menus
    [08:38] druth Vlodovic: buy the right skin and shape and you're half done
    [08:39] Riddle Sideways: then there is the acting
    [08:39] Riddle Sideways: the being
    [08:39] druth Vlodovic: a male in SL usually chooses to be big and brutal looking, partly because it doesn't matter as much what they look like
    [08:40] druth Vlodovic: but the necessity to have a "purpose" to "perform" is still there
    [08:40] druth Vlodovic: as is the natural suspicion males get
    [08:40] druth Vlodovic: of having "ulterior motives"
    [08:40] druth Vlodovic: the acting and being is just you
    [08:41] druth Vlodovic: but most of what people "know" about you is what they preconcieved
    [08:41] Riddle Sideways: ah yes
    [08:41] Riddle Sideways: so make that first impression
    [08:41] Riddle Sideways: so the preconcieved goes your way
    [08:50] druth Vlodovic: I love webcomics  :)
    [08:51] druth Vlodovic: I find that there is a lot of wisdom in jokes and comics
    [08:51] Riddle Sideways: good, have something other then work for today
    [08:51] druth Vlodovic: since that is their primary method of getting a laugh
    [08:52] druth Vlodovic: :)
    [08:52] Riddle Sideways: play as wisdom
    [08:52] druth Vlodovic: we need a PaB serial comic
    [08:52] Riddle Sideways: think that is what Sun did behind me
    [08:52] Riddle Sideways: graphic novelette
    [08:53] druth Vlodovic: a good start  :)
    [08:53] druth Vlodovic: the method promts people to not take it seriously
    [08:53] druth Vlodovic: so they can absord the message better
    [08:54] Riddle Sideways: yes, out of the usual way of absorbing
    [08:54] druth Vlodovic: I figure it's about masks
    [08:54] druth Vlodovic: expectations
    [08:55] Riddle Sideways: yep
    [08:55] druth Vlodovic: people filter what they hear by what they expect
    [08:55] druth Vlodovic: if pema speaks they expect wisdom
    [08:55] druth Vlodovic: for good reason sure
    [08:55] druth Vlodovic: but it can negatively affect the feedback he gets
    [08:55] druth Vlodovic: I seldom expect anything from a person
    [08:56] druth Vlodovic: so I get accused of dissing people and being disrespectful a lot  :)
    [08:56] Riddle Sideways: was thinking about 3 airplane strangers I had just met
    [08:56] Riddle Sideways: what I expected
    [08:56] Riddle Sideways: what they expected
    [08:57] druth Vlodovic: oh?
    [08:57] Riddle Sideways: the preconceived idea of this person next to my seat for the next hours
    [08:57] druth Vlodovic: we're still in IM and all the private stuff is done   lol
    [08:58] Riddle Sideways: should some be in the session log?
    [08:58] Riddle Sideways: I know the editor today
    [08:59] Riddle Sideways: the gender roles stuff is good
    [08:59] druth Vlodovic: hmm, is he trustworthy?
    [08:59] Riddle Sideways: nope
    [08:59] druth Vlodovic: lol
    [08:59] druth Vlodovic: use your best judgement
    [09:00] Riddle Sideways: usually has had a glass of wine by that time
    [09:00] Riddle Sideways: thanks, might add some of it
    [09:01] Riddle Sideways: remove all personal and "I" stuff
    [09:01] druth Vlodovic: I don't thin i said anything intensly personal
    [09:01] druth Vlodovic: I've done worse "for the record"
    [09:02] Riddle Sideways: yes, most of us have
    [09:03] druth Vlodovic: so:
    [09:03] druth Vlodovic: you were on a pane...
    [09:04] druth Vlodovic: "plane" even
    [09:04] Riddle Sideways: several planes the last 2 days
    [09:05] druth Vlodovic: busy
    [09:11] Riddle Sideways: well, had to bother a guy to get past him into the window seat
    [09:11] druth Vlodovic: they do
    [09:11] Riddle Sideways: he looked annoyed
    [09:11] Riddle Sideways: I tried to settle quickly, but you know ...
    [09:12] Riddle Sideways: then asked the same ol questions
    [09:12] Riddle Sideways: were ya going?
    [09:12] Riddle Sideways: what do you do?
    [09:12] Riddle Sideways: well, then slipped and asked "who are you" :)
    [09:13] Riddle Sideways: he was pretty quiet
    [09:13] Riddle Sideways: but the mood changed
    [09:13] druth Vlodovic: you asked for his name you just blurted out "who are you?"
    [09:13] Riddle Sideways: he wanted to finish texting before plane made him stop
    [09:14] Riddle Sideways: a little gentler, but yeah...   what are you besides work, job, city, stuff
    [09:15] druth Vlodovic: you got personal  :)
    [09:15] Riddle Sideways: usually cross other peoples boundries too quickly
    [09:16] Riddle Sideways: well, the plane was (unusally) only half full(half empty?) and many could get seats alone
    [09:16] Riddle Sideways: if he wanted
    [09:16] druth Vlodovic: hmm
    [09:16] Riddle Sideways: but he didn't
    [09:16] druth Vlodovic: balance balance
    [09:17] Riddle Sideways: really had thought he was annoyed with me
    [09:17] druth Vlodovic: "do I show how annoyed i am by taking the big step of leaving, or the small one of trying to get him to leave me alone?"
    [09:17] Riddle Sideways: yep
    [09:18] druth Vlodovic: so what happened?
    [09:18] Riddle Sideways: both :)
    [09:18] Riddle Sideways: we talked for half hour
    [09:19] Riddle Sideways: [the plane was sitting on tarmac waiting for Pheonix airport traffic]
    [09:19] Riddle Sideways: just before takeoff the aisle working person
    [09:19] druth Vlodovic: did he tell you who he is?
    [09:19] Riddle Sideways: suggested a seat up front where he could get off quickly for connection
    [09:20] Riddle Sideways: he told me some stuff, not too very deep
    [09:21] druth Vlodovic: perception of reality is difficult
    [09:21] Riddle Sideways: but also got to the part of putting down the curtain
    [09:21] druth Vlodovic: "curtain"?
    [09:21] Riddle Sideways: the facade
    [09:22] Riddle Sideways: the appearance layer of what we represent
    [09:24] druth Vlodovic: ok, I usually use the term masks
    [09:24] druth Vlodovic: I liked the bit in Pema's book about shapes and boundries
    [09:25] druth Vlodovic: a mask is like a boundry that can be imposed either from inside or outside, usually both
    [09:25] druth Vlodovic: it not only shapes you but changes you
    [09:25] druth Vlodovic: I like mangling other people's work  :)
    [09:26] Riddle Sideways: sorry, interruption
    [09:26] Riddle Sideways: back
    [09:26] druth Vlodovic: np
    [09:26] druth Vlodovic: I forget to use the "brb" all the time  :(
    [09:27] Riddle Sideways: watched a (pretty good) movie on the plane (on tablet)
    [09:28] druth Vlodovic: cool
    [09:28] Riddle Sideways: "The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus"
    [09:28] Riddle Sideways: with a magic curtain / mirror
    [09:28] druth Vlodovic: I might even have heard of it
    [09:29] druth Vlodovic: what was the theme?
    [09:29] Riddle Sideways: it is a Terry Gilliam project/product
    [09:29] Riddle Sideways: big stars
    [09:29] Riddle Sideways: the devil (Tom Waits) plays betting game with a monk (Chris Plummer
    [09:29] Riddle Sideways: who turns immortal
    [09:30] Riddle Sideways: and many other themes
    [09:31] Riddle Sideways: johnny Deep (and 2 other big stars) play the slick bad and good guy
    [09:31] Riddle Sideways: go though the mirror into the land of their imagination
    [09:31] druth Vlodovic: sorry, trying to "do" the puse thing  :)
    [09:32] Riddle Sideways: ok
    [09:33] Riddle Sideways: opps, had the bell turned down
    [09:33] druth Vlodovic: the land of my imagination, good luck to them  :)
    [09:34] Riddle Sideways: yeah, some were pretty scary
    [09:34] Riddle Sideways: but, then each were given an easy and a hard road to pick between
    [09:34] Riddle Sideways: which way would they go?
    [09:34] druth Vlodovic: no need to be boring about it  :)
    [09:35] druth Vlodovic: I usually pick the hard route, but never realize until halfway through
    [09:35] Riddle Sideways: ha, I usually sit down at the crossroads and can't decide
    [09:36] druth Vlodovic: "the end will come to me"
    [09:36] druth Vlodovic: very zen of you  :)
    [09:36] Riddle Sideways: yes, the straight through way will be revieled
    [09:37] Riddle Sideways: then there is no crossroads
    [09:37] Riddle Sideways: no 'other' way
    [09:37] Riddle Sideways: has worked for most of life
    [09:38] druth Vlodovic: there is no straight path, but once walked there are no sideroads either
    [09:39] druth Vlodovic: which makes everything straight in retrospect  :)
    [09:39] druth Vlodovic: "fate"
    [09:39] Riddle Sideways: ah, that's what I meant to write
    [09:39] Riddle Sideways: was fate in retrospect
    [09:39] druth Vlodovic: ah, sorry to steal your thunder  :)
    [09:40] Riddle Sideways: :) no you can use words more fittingly
    [09:41] Riddle Sideways: btw - what a strange phrase
    [09:41] Riddle Sideways: see the lightening
    [09:41] Riddle Sideways: somebody steals the thunder
    [09:41] Riddle Sideways: now a Bob Seager song is stuck
    [09:42] druth Vlodovic: "come on feel the noise!"
    [09:42] druth Vlodovic: hmm, not Bob Seager
    [09:42] Riddle Sideways: who?
    [09:43] druth Vlodovic: umm, some '80s metal band
    [09:43] Riddle Sideways: Quiet Riot, Slade
    [09:44] Riddle Sideways: or twisted sister
    [09:44] druth Vlodovic: probably
    [09:44] Riddle Sideways: google gives many
    [09:44] druth Vlodovic: trying to look it up
    [09:44] druth Vlodovic: not very "spiritual" though  :)
    [09:45] Riddle Sideways: :)  playful
    [09:46] druth Vlodovic: twisted sister
    [09:47] druth Vlodovic: not a very good subject for a "drop" though  :)
    [09:47] Riddle Sideways: this has been really more fun then what should be today, but need to go
    [09:47] druth Vlodovic: people like to be noticed, it gives them worth
    [09:47] Riddle Sideways: give pills to sick kitty
    [09:47] druth Vlodovic: ok
    [09:47] druth Vlodovic: aww
    [09:47] Riddle Sideways: call co-workers
    [09:47] druth Vlodovic: mine gets two a day
    [09:47] Riddle Sideways: write reports
    [09:48] druth Vlodovic: the joys of earning your keep  :)
    [09:48] Riddle Sideways: ah
    [09:48] druth Vlodovic: don't become a machine
    [09:48] Riddle Sideways: that is botty and Alice's jobs
    [09:49] druth Vlodovic: if only you could carry them into RL
    [09:49] druth Vlodovic: have fun riddle
    [09:49] Riddle Sideways: ok, thanks for this
    [09:49] Riddle Sideways: needed it
    [09:49] druth Vlodovic: oh, thank you  :)
    [09:49] druth Vlodovic: glad I could help   lol




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