2012.01.27 13:00 - limbic remarks and sillyness

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello rick
    RickHarris Resident: hello yakuzza
    Aphrodite Macbain: Rick this is Yaku, Yaku Rick
    Zen Arado: hi Rick
    RickHarris Resident: hi everyone
    Aphrodite Macbain: He has just joined PAB
    Zen Arado: hi Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: hi folks :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, very nice, i just imed him about the group :)
    RickHarris Resident: :))
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Bertram, Zen -this is my friend Rick who has just joined PAB
    Zen Arado: your Mke is till open Aph
    Zen Arado: mic
    Aphrodite Macbain: tx
    Bertram Jacobus: wonderful - so a big welcome to rick ! :-)
    RickHarris Resident: thankyou
    Aphrodite Macbain: Rick is from Englad
    Aphrodite Macbain: England
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nabend bertram
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i wonder why my last posted logs aren´t on the wiki :/
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i thought i posted them this afternoon :/
    Aphrodite Macbain: do you understand what the wiki is Rick?
    Aphrodite Macbain: It records these discussions
    RickHarris Resident: yes yakuzza just IMed me about it
    Aphrodite Macbain: great
    RickHarris Resident: its fine
    RickHarris Resident: what are we discussing
    Aphrodite Macbain: maybe we can discuss identity!
    Zen Arado: ha ha
    Aphrodite Macbain: we have just started.
    Aphrodite Macbain: what do you think Yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, it´s not a formal approach here, it´s more an open community with the 9 second meditation
    Aphrodite Macbain: Maybe I can begin by asking whether we feel we are the same person in RL as we are projecting in SL
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ppl bring totally different backgrounds from non contemplative to very much so
    Zen Arado: I was had a disabled meeting in second life the other night and they were discussing how a disability affected their feeling of identity
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes?
    Aphrodite Macbain: was there an agreement?
    Yakuzza Lethecus listens to zen
    Zen Arado: not really
    Aphrodite Macbain: I notice some people come with wheelchairs and some dont
    Zen Arado: I don' t identify with my disability
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Zen Arado: it's just something I have, not something I am
    Aphrodite Macbain: Interesting b/c a person who came a few evenings ago who has cerbral palsy said she was her illness; it was part of who she was
    Aphrodite Macbain: she embraced it...
    Zen Arado: yes and I dont undestand that
    Aphrodite Macbain: I was surprised
    Zen Arado: I am jst a bunch of processes anyway I told them
    Aphrodite Macbain: It is somethng she will live with all her life so perhaps she felt it would shape her perspective on life
    Zen Arado: there is no "me"
    Zen Arado: but people don't get that
    Aphrodite Macbain: That is another whole huge topic.
    Aphrodite Macbain: There is no centre to the onin
    Zen Arado: it is all about identity though
    Aphrodite Macbain: onion
    Zen Arado: from a philosophical angle you have to decide if there is anything about you that stays the same all of your life
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I think the person I was at the age of six still continues - my beliefs, fears etc
    Zen Arado: well, is there?
    Aphrodite Macbain: so I feel part of me has stayed the same; it's embedded in my genes and in my memoery
    Aphrodite Macbain: *memoery
    Zen Arado: I don' thinkyou ar psychlogicaly the same as you wear at 6 though Aph?
    Aphrodite Macbain: *memory
    RickHarris Resident: i think the childhood part will always remain with us all
    Zen Arado: the way philosophers describe it is as psychological continuity
    RickHarris Resident: memories, sense of being
    Aphrodite Macbain: You dont think the person you were at 6 still is part of you today?
    RickHarris Resident: i do yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: Certainly Freud would thinks so
    Zen Arado: we are nearly psychologically the same as we were a week ago
    RickHarris Resident: although cant remember when i was 6
    RickHarris Resident: lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: grins
    Zen Arado: but the further you go back the more different we where
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have flashes
    RickHarris Resident: good memories?
    Zen Arado: but memory is always changing
    Aphrodite Macbain: I dont mean the "whole" being at six, but aspects of it
    RickHarris Resident: i think everyone looks back at there childhood memories
    Aphrodite Macbain: All that stuff you develop in those important first 3 years of yur life
    RickHarris Resident: some good, some bad
    Yakuzza Lethecus: welcome wol
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Wol
    RickHarris Resident: hi wol
    Wol Euler: hello aph, yaku, zen, rick
    Zen Arado: Hi Wol
    Aphrodite Macbain: Let me introduce my friend ick who is new to PaB
    Aphrodite Macbain: Rick
    RickHarris Resident: hello
    Wol Euler: hello rick
    Wol Euler: I hope Aph gave you an introduction to us?
    Aphrodite Macbain looks at Wol's dress enviously
    Wol Euler: including notecard and the website?
    Wol Euler: it was free :) a group gift
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- Yaku did
    RickHarris Resident: yes she did
    Aphrodite Macbain: OOps we alked thru the 9 second silence
    Zen Arado: we had to say hello to wol
    Zen Arado: or it would have been impolite
    Aphrodite Macbain reminds herself to be more attentive
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Aphrodite Macbain: So your argument Zen is that our identity is constructed and not essential
    Aphrodite Macbain: we're talking about whether we have a true identity Wol
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: though I guess you'd have to decide what "true" might mean ...
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Boxy wb
    Wol Euler: and why you feel we have only one such :)
    Wol Euler: hello boxy
    Aphrodite Macbain: Rick, this is Boxy, also known as Alfred
    RickHarris Resident: hi alfred
    Aphrodite Macbain: Boxy- this is Rick
    Alfred Kelberry: *rubs woly's head softly making the ache go away*
    Alfred Kelberry: er, hi :)
    Zen Arado: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQT6F...eature=related
    Aphrodite Macbain: awww
    Aphrodite Macbain: what is this Zen?
    Zen Arado: about no self
    Zen Arado: short video
    Aphrodite Macbain: who is directing what we do and think if it is not our self Zen?
    Alfred Kelberry: rick? a friend of aph's? :)
    Zen Arado: everything is
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, a new friend Boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: nice
    Aphrodite Macbain: everything?
    Aphrodite Macbain: hardly
    Zen Arado: hardest prt to swallow
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm not even putting it in my mouth
    Zen Arado: :)
    Zen Arado: my reaction too
    Aphrodite Macbain: grins. then why put it there?
    Zen Arado: you can't control your urges and desires
    Alfred Kelberry: zon :)
    Zen Arado: abilities
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes you can
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm learning to
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Zen
    Zen Arado: i mean the ones that arise
    Wol Euler: hello zon
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello zon
    Zen Arado: Hi Zon
    Aphrodite Macbain: and those uerges and desires are mine and noone else's
    Alfred Kelberry: *rubs his nose and smiles*
    Zon Kwan: hi hi
    Zen Arado: yes
    Zen Arado: we areall unique
    Zen Arado: like every snowflake
    Zen Arado: aw this is too hard to explain
    Zen Arado: maybe we should talk about something else
    Zon Kwan: omm
    Aphrodite Macbain: agreed. so if we are unique then how can you say we dont have an identity?
    Wol Euler: no, I'm curious :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s fine zen :)
    Zon Kwan: like waves
    Aphrodite Macbain: what is the thing that is unique?
    Zon Kwan: unique
    Zon Kwan: but all part of sea
    Zen Arado: well I am a unique bunch of processes
    Zen Arado: what's wrong with that?
    Zen Arado: It doen't men ther is a ittle man inside me directing things
    Aphrodite Macbain: nothing - and those processes make up your identity
    Aphrodite Macbain: I think we have put Zon to sleep
    Zen Arado: that is only as far as saying this bunch of processes is different from another one
    Alfred Kelberry: process 1 is alsways init :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Boxy? Could you rephrase that?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i often feel cought in a loop without an end statement :P
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Alfred Kelberry: er...
    Wol Euler: please do boxy
    Zen Arado: can you find a self inside your body?
    Alfred Kelberry: i mean, we start off the same
    Aphrodite Macbain: nicely said Yaku
    Zen Arado: Oh no e don'
    Zen Arado: we have unique genetics
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's inside my head- my ways of being
    Zon Kwan: yes i find many selves in me
    Wol Euler nods.
    Aphrodite Macbain: some of them are deliberate, others are automatic or somatic
    Zen Arado: well Ihave never find anything like a self
    Zon Kwan: selves within selves
    Zen Arado: what does it look like?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Maybe yuu were looking in the wrong places Zen
    Zon Kwan: like zon
    Wol Euler: perhaps it's the part of you that looked for the self?
    Zen Arado: well tell me where to look :-)
    Zon Kwan: and avatar behind him
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes wol
    Zen Arado: though someone behind me oooooh
    Zen Arado: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: insid eyour head. And delete the word look. It's not visual
    Zen Arado: inside my head is a briain
    Zon Kwan: and avatar behind him
    Aphrodite Macbain: with thoughts which are made of electrical synapses
    Aphrodite Macbain: shsh
    Zen Arado: yes, just electrical processes
    Zon Kwan: intelligent processes
    Aphrodite Macbain: Our consciousness
    Zen Arado: my brain produces thoughts the same way my heart pumps blood
    Wol Euler: and yet you live :)
    Zen Arado: what is consciousness?
    Zen Arado: Oh yes
    Zon Kwan: yes, with tremendous intelligence
    Zen Arado: it is an efficient bunch of processes
    Wol Euler: consciousness is that which we have, which lets us ask that question
    Aphrodite Macbain: It the conversation between your limbic system and your cerebral cortex
    Wol Euler: calling it processes doesn't make it not exist :)
    Wol Euler: IMHO
    Zen Arado: yes the brain produces thoughts and those thoughts can be questions
    Zen Arado: why not?
    Aphrodite Macbain: and awareness
    Aphrodite Macbain: of ourselves
    Wol Euler: that consciousness consists of processes is like saying there are no cheeseburgers in the world because they are made of atoms
    Alfred Kelberry: aph, i liked that limbic remark of yours :)
    Zon Kwan: what produced the brain ?
    Zen Arado: there are very sophisticated processes
    Zen Arado: I'm no sayin they re simple
    RickHarris Resident: part of the human structure zen
    Aphrodite Macbain: glad you liked it Boxy
    Zen Arado: all yes and a very intricate complicated structure it is
    Aphrodite Macbain: The limbic system is the one that organizes our emotions and our memory
    Zen Arado: it has evolved through millions of years
    Zon Kwan: in order for ue to have intelligent conversation presumes matter and processes that produced our brain is intelligent and conscious
    Zen Arado: really wonderful and marvellous it is
    Aphrodite Macbain: I certainly agree with you there Zen
    Alfred Kelberry: :
    Alfred Kelberry: )
    Zen Arado: oh yes my brain is intelligent and can converse with other people's brains
    Aphrodite Macbain: so who is that having the conversation if not yourself?
    RickHarris Resident: converse in what way
    Zon Kwan: so intelligence must be inbuilt in matter
    Zen Arado: this bunch of processes is having a conversation
    Zen Arado: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: something unites them into a whole
    RickHarris Resident: but we are separate brains thinking this conversation
    Zon Kwan: nope
    Alfred Kelberry: zon, can you expand on that?
    Zon Kwan: we just think so
    Aphrodite Macbain: right Rick
    Zen Arado: well, we see ourselves as separate
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    RickHarris Resident: i dont see you with my brain
    RickHarris Resident: we are all individual
    Aphrodite Macbain: but I also see myself as part of a larger whole. But that is learned
    Zen Arado: all know it is a complicated process of sensory inputs being translated into electrical signals
    Aphrodite Macbain: as a result of reading and meditation
    Zen Arado: maybe it is unlearned Aph
    Zon Kwan: if u think urself separate u are separate
    Aphrodite Macbain: what do you mean by that Zen?
    Zen Arado: we didn't have that sense of separateness from everything else when we were babies
    Wol Euler nods.
    Zen Arado: we learned to discriminate and put labels on objects
    Aphrodite Macbain: I dont remember
    Wol Euler: babies have buddha nature, but we lose that in childhood
    Zon Kwan: our mind works that way,,,it divides
    Wol Euler: (for certain hopefully not too contentious values of "we")
    Aphrodite Macbain: words words
    RickHarris Resident: that is separate opinions
    Alfred Kelberry: woly, are there people who don't?
    Aphrodite Macbain: grins at Wol
    Wol Euler: perhaps
    Zon Kwan: draws a picture
    Wol Euler: I don't know
    Aphrodite Macbain: watches
    Zen Arado: even using language creates an image of an "I"
    Zen Arado: because language has a structure of subject and object
    Zon Kwan: language is fooling us nicely
    Alfred Kelberry: would it be fair to say then that intelligence = losing buddha?
    Aphrodite Macbain: What distinguishes humans is the fact that they have a consciousness and alanguage.
    Zen Arado: really we are a verb
    Aphrodite Macbain: How can we not have an identity that manipulates that?
    Zen Arado: David Bohm is good on that
    Zen Arado: the nuclear scientist
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods. what does he say?
    Zon Kwan: we are peopling the earth yes
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Zen Arado: about how a wee fragment everything in nature
    Alfred Kelberry: nice one
    Zen Arado: hi we fragment
    RickHarris Resident: lol
    Zen Arado: sorry for the voice typing
    Aphrodite Macbain falls apart
    Zon Kwan: we are hologram
    Alfred Kelberry: *uses duct tape on aph*
    Zen Arado: we all affect everything and everybody else
    Aphrodite Macbain falls apart into fragments and looks for the glue
    Zon Kwan: an organims
    Zen Arado: quantum theory shows that two I thnk
    Aphrodite Macbain: ?
    Zen Arado: though I'm no too wll up n that :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: please rephrase Zen
    Zen Arado: Read David Bohm's book
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-{
    Alfred Kelberry: *turns to woly: what is the topic again?* :)
    Zen Arado: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implica..._to_David_Bohm
    Wol Euler: I lost track a while back :)
    Alfred Kelberry: oh
    RickHarris Resident: human brains turning to fragments
    Wol Euler: identnty, I thought
    Aphrodite Macbain: quantum theory
    Aphrodite Macbain: we are more space than matter
    Zon Kwan: and wahtis space
    Aphrodite Macbain: I love that
    RickHarris Resident: big bang theory
    Aphrodite Macbain: what is between quantum particles
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, are you talking about mind-body dualism?
    Zen Arado: sorry there is too much science in that article
    RickHarris Resident: atoms
    Zen Arado: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wholeness-Im.../dp/0415289793
    Aphrodite Macbain blushes
    Zon Kwan: matter is not
    Zen Arado: that is the book
    Zon Kwan: matter is dead
    Zen Arado: I didnt finih it bcause don'tundersand the nuclear stuff
    Zon Kwan: science has killed it
    Aphrodite Macbain: what's the matter Zon?
    Zon Kwan: science
    Zon Kwan: found out
    Zon Kwan: its mostly
    Zon Kwan: empty
    Aphrodite Macbain: science matters?
    Zon Kwan: and the rest
    Zon Kwan: is not matter at all
    Zon Kwan: but something
    Zon Kwan: strange
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, get ready...
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, I know. I find that very reassuring somehow and more able to believe in parallel univrses
    Alfred Kelberry: onigokko
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: How can I explain this to Rick
    Yakuzza Lethecus feels refreshing :)
    RickHarris Resident: lol
    Alfred Kelberry: two lost soules :)
    RickHarris Resident: looks refreshing
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'll will look for the animation and give it to you Rick
    Zen Arado: onigokko
    Alfred Kelberry: yeeeehaaaaa!!!!
    Zen Arado: onigokko
    RickHarris Resident: looking forward to it
    Alfred Kelberry: here comes part 2...
    Zen Arado: onigokko
    Aphrodite Macbain: onigokko
    Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
    Wol Euler: stop
    Zon Kwan: sighs
    Aphrodite Macbain: now wear it Rick
    Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
    Alfred Kelberry: step back please...
    Wol Euler: looks like zen wil have to stop himself
    Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
    Aphrodite Macbain: onigokko
    RickHarris Resident: this is bananas
    RickHarris Resident: lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: giggles
    Zen Arado: it's just a bunch of processes running around
    Zen Arado: :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: vitamins for everyone :)
    RickHarris Resident: yes lets talk vitamis
    RickHarris Resident: lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: Zen!!
    Wol Euler nods to zen
    Alfred Kelberry: pew pew
    Aphrodite Macbain: stop
    Wol Euler: agreed, but I for one don't see that this matters
    RickHarris Resident: these dont look like bananas
    Zen Arado: stop
    Aphrodite Macbain: Zen dances to his own drummer
    Wol Euler: saying that my consciuosness is processes is to me no different from saying that my heart is atoms
    Wol Euler: they both exist (for me) anyway
    Alfred Kelberry: zen :)
    Zen Arado: I'm no sayin they don't exist
    Zon Kwan: there is a diffennce though perhaps in tone
    Wol Euler: oh, then I have misunderstood this whole conversation :)
    Wol Euler: I thought you WERE saying htat
    Wol Euler: that there is no such thing as consciousness or self
    Zen Arado: know 'm jus sayin there is no one directing everything
    Zen Arado: there is no one at the helm
    Aphrodite Macbain: I thought you said we have no identity
    Wol Euler: how would you know though?
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Zon Kwan: we identify ourselves all time
    Aphrodite Macbain: It is what is taught in the Zen tradition
    Zon Kwan: to something
    Zen Arado: no identity does not equal we don't exist
    Zen Arado: the term emptiness means empty of self
    Aphrodite Macbain: but we are aware of ourselves so someone is being aware
    Wol Euler: then I fear we return to trying to define what "we" is
    Alfred Kelberry: *wonders what yaku has to say on this*
    Zen Arado: is that what you mean?
    RickHarris Resident: think hes gone to sleep
    Zon Kwan: the confusion comes form the word self and its many connotations
    Wol Euler: multitasking :)
    Wol Euler: probably on skype :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well
    Wol Euler: hehehehee
    RickHarris Resident: lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: grins at Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no would be a bad answer
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Alfred Kelberry: concise and to the point
    Aphrodite Macbain: how would you know if you didnt have a self?
    Alfred Kelberry: you would vanish
    Zon Kwan: waht is this self ?
    Aphrodite Macbain: who is deciding?
    Zen Arado: because your brain can think?
    Alfred Kelberry: like descartes
    Zen Arado: And know things?
    Zon Kwan: is it my body ?
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes i am b/c I think
    Zon Kwan: is it a vague cloud of thinking hovering m y body ?
    Zen Arado: but Dscarte thought that because he thought, he was a self
    Zon Kwan: what is this self ?
    Aphrodite Macbain: It is hard b/c we are describing the world we are in. A world from which we cant be outside of
    Zen Arado: but it only shows that there is thinking going on
    Zen Arado: this self is an illusion
    Zen Arado: a useful illusion but it can also cause us to suffer
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have an attitude about this discussion; who is that I/
    Aphrodite Macbain: ?
    Zon Kwan: yes Aph
    Wol Euler: perhaps the self is simply that process which looks at the state of memory and concludes that other processse are running?
    Zon Kwan: thats teh question
    Zon Kwan: or what is this I or self
    Aphrodite Macbain: memory, I think plays a huge role in this
    Wol Euler: agreed
    Aphrodite Macbain: (located in the hypothalamus
    Zen Arado: it looks at the past and decides from experiences and how it reacted that it must be a certain type of being or self
    Zen Arado: you hear people defining themselves all the time
    Zon Kwan: self = point in the sea of consciousness
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: as more as i try to fix myself of ,,who i am" i might lose my openness and playfulness ?
    Alfred Kelberry: woly, self as environment in which processes are ran??
    Zen Arado: we don't need to define ourselves, we can just be whatever it is
    Zen Arado: can't we?
    Wol Euler: self is "ps -ef"
    Wol Euler: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: ran?
    Zon Kwan: there is Self and self
    Aphrodite Macbain: I want to understand the concept of wu wei
    Alfred Kelberry: zon :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: but I'll raise that on Sunday at 1
    Alfred Kelberry: you're *not* helping :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: that's me!
    Alfred Kelberry: er, i refer to zon's comment :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: what does it mean to "get in the way of ourselves"?
    Zon Kwan: wu wei is self floating in the Self
    Aphrodite Macbain: but there is no self.....
    Zon Kwan: ah there are many
    Aphrodite Macbain: argh
    Zen Arado: allowing our past idea of what we are to interfere with free expression of what we are now, I thnk Aph
    Zon Kwan: look at the stars
    Alfred Kelberry: woly, how about self is the current context?
    Zen Arado: thinking things should be a certain way, instead of just accepting the way they are
    Aphrodite Macbain: hmm tthat's what dictators would suggest
    Zen Arado: how do you mean Aph?
    Zen Arado: I'm taking aout in our personal actions
    Zen Arado: not about a society
    Aphrodite Macbain: Dont question ,accept means keeping the way things are
    Aphrodite Macbain: which are not necessarily good
    Aphrodite Macbain: kk
    Alfred Kelberry: *wonders what woly is looking at*
    Zon Kwan: accept things the way they are but act the way u
    Zon Kwan: prefer them to be
    Wol Euler: sorry, in IMs with a buddy about a script problem
    Aphrodite Macbain: shh
    Zen Arado: we can accept and birds to change things and not get in the way of that to0
    Zen Arado: accept an urge*
    Zen Arado: an urge, and birds sound nearly the same hmmmm
    Alfred Kelberry: btw, fun thought experiment. try and read someone's comment with a voice of morgan freeman and note how your perception changes :)
    Zon Kwan: lol
    Zon Kwan: where cna u get his voice
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it should not be but it will be different
    Zen Arado: it might make us listen more respectfully :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: birds are urges that fly
    Zen Arado: :-)
    Alfred Kelberry: zon, you'll hear it your head :)
    Zon Kwan: they should have a voice mophing like that here
    Zon Kwan: morphing
    Zon Kwan: we could all use it
    Alfred Kelberry: yep
    Zon Kwan: and be convincing
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm off to RL now
    Zen Arado: bye Aph :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: have a good day aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! all
    Alfred Kelberry: but the peculiar part is that your mind can do it easily
    Zon Kwan: bye Aph
    RickHarris Resident: bye
    Alfred Kelberry: a visual aid would have a better effect - a picture of morgan freeman beside the text
    Zon Kwan: hm
    Zen Arado: I thik I'll go and dance at perfect paradise or something and give my head a rest
    Zon Kwan: tries hard..but fails poorly
    Alfred Kelberry: zen, good plan :)
    Zen Arado: :-)
    Wol Euler: awwwwww
    Alfred Kelberry: zon lol
    Wol Euler: good plan yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye zen, happy dancing
    RickHarris Resident: nice to meet you zen
    Zen Arado: you can all keep your identity s :-)
    Zon Kwan: see ya zen
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
    Wol Euler: thank you :)
    Wol Euler: godnight yaku
    Wol Euler: schlaf gut
    Zen Arado: byee
    Zon Kwan: gehen also
    Zon Kwan: guten abend
    RickHarris Resident: good evening
    Wol Euler: goodnight rick, nice meeting you
    RickHarris Resident: you to wol
    RickHarris Resident: thankyou
    RickHarris Resident: nice meeting you
    RickHarris Resident: and you alfred
    RickHarris Resident: take care
    Alfred Kelberry: eh... friday night and they're all poofing
    Wol Euler: heh
    Alfred Kelberry: party poopers :P
    RickHarris Resident: bye
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, i'm making something :)
    Alfred Kelberry: thought experiment
    Wol Euler cheers!
    Alfred Kelberry: stay put
    Wol Euler wonders how long she should stay put
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, er
    Alfred Kelberry: you can walk around :)
    Wol Euler: that was ten minutes, have I stayed put long enough?
    Alfred Kelberry: hehe
    Alfred Kelberry: at ease :)
    Wol Euler: because I don't really need to sit here and watch you being away :)
    Alfred Kelberry: going to bed?
    Wol Euler: at some time in the near future yes
    Alfred Kelberry: well, i'll be fiddling a bit
    Wol Euler: well, you can show me tomorrow morning perhaps
    Alfred Kelberry: yep
    Wol Euler: goodnight boxy
    Wol Euler: fiddle well
    Alfred Kelberry: get better you
    Wol Euler: I'll try
    Alfred Kelberry: :)

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