2012.01.28 13:00 - You Go, Winnebago!

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments and photos are by Bruce Mowbray.

    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Mick! Hey, Boxy!
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce! :)
    Alfred Kelberry: we've been a bit worry
    Bruce Mowbray: Worried? How come, Boxy?
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Bruce,,,from Pila too
    Alfred Kelberry: no one seemed to have seen you for a while
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Pila, wherever you are!
    Alfred Kelberry: good to you see safe and sound :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I've been running to doc app'ts during the past three days. . . and before that, too.
    Bruce Mowbray: Safe -- not sure how "sound" I am though.
    Alfred Kelberry: how were they?
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmm.. Frustrating, actually.


    Mickorod Renard: Hiya all
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, well. you get sound soon :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I guess my "problem" is that I'd like to see some positive results from all of these 4 MRI's, and a few CT scans, and several X-rays.
    Bruce Mowbray: but after 8 months of them, I have nothing to show for it.
    Bruce Mowbray is still waiting for sound.
    Alfred Kelberry: a lots of tests
    Mickorod Renard: well, we are all wishing you to be well Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: THANKS, so much.
    Mickorod Renard: I say 'we' out of certainty, not wishing to open up a debate
    Mickorod Renard: :))
    Bruce Mowbray: heh heh.
    Bruce Mowbray: Oui to your "we", Mick!
    Bruce Mowbray: "Wheeee," too!
    Mickorod Renard: we,,like the queen
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Samuo!
    oO0Oo Resident: Bruce, Mick, Boxy :)) nysy all
    Bruce Mowbray: Here's the one I haven't seen for weeks!
    Alfred Kelberry: weeeee are the champions, my friends!!!
    Mickorod Renard: namasty oOOOOo
    Bruce Mowbray: How're ya doing, 0???
    Alfred Kelberry: sam :)
    oO0Oo Resident: :) Nice Cheerful gathering here :) Hard not to feel cheerful as well :))
    Bruce Mowbray: yes!!
    Mickorod Renard: Bruce,,u missed the WoK session
    Bruce Mowbray: I feel what you're implying by that, I think/feel/intuit.
    Mickorod Renard: I don't know if it got recorded
    Bruce Mowbray: I was in the MRI tube thingie during the WoK session, sry.
    Bruce Mowbray: How did it go???
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Mickorod Renard: it went well I think
    oO0Oo Resident: Poor excuse Bruce ... LOL (sorry.. jk)
    Bruce Mowbray: Believe me, I'd much rather have been with you guys!
    Mickorod Renard: those MRI thingies are great aren't they,,did it whirrrrrrr?
    Alfred Kelberry: i never been to one
    Bruce Mowbray: It not only whirred -- It also crashed, and buzzed, and clanked...
    Alfred Kelberry: eek
    Mickorod Renard: I only partially went through one
    oO0Oo Resident: How did you fair Bruce? I know they are not your favorite thing to do .
    Bruce Mowbray: I am acutely claustrophobic, so I have to wear ear plugs and blindfold.
    Alfred Kelberry: in movies that tube doesn't look too bad
    Bruce Mowbray: I came through it just fine -- my 4th one so far in the past seven months, actually.
    Mickorod Renard: and blindfold,,wow,,bet that was kinky
    Bruce Mowbray: heeh heheh
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Mickorod Renard: :))
    Bruce Mowbray: I wish!
    Mickorod Renard: they remind me of that Star Gate series
    Bruce Mowbray: The medical delivery system is a tale told by geniuses -- full of ultrasound and fury and MRI's --  and signifying nothing.
    oO0Oo Resident: Desensitization therapy over time perhaps.. finding ways to relax and make good associations maybe..
    Mickorod Renard: sort of doorway to other dimensions
    Bruce Mowbray loves doorways to alternative dimensions.
    Mickorod Renard: signifying nothing,,in what way Bruce?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bruce, Mickorod, Sam and Boxy :)
    Mickorod Renard: Hi SSL
    Alfred Kelberry: neko girl :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I've spent eight months running around four hospitals, in four cities, seeing a score of specialists, and having a score of tests . . . and NOTHING has happened that made me better.
    oO0Oo Resident: SSL... :::feels magnetically resonanced my an arriving image::: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: nothing has improved.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi :))
    Bruce Mowbray: no treatments have been given or even offered.
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: (therefore, "signifying nothing").
    Alfred Kelberry: cute little ears
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey Sophia!
    Mickorod Renard: but if they cant find anything wrong,,isnt that good?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (thank you Boxy <3)
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh, they've found a LOT wrong!
    Bruce Mowbray: They just can't (or won't) do anything about it)
    Bruce Mowbray: but enough about me.
    Alfred Kelberry: hmm
    Alfred Kelberry: how come, Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: Let's talk to Sharon.
    Mickorod Renard: ahhh I see
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hey no :))
    Mickorod Renard: ok
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I was listening
    oO0Oo Resident: me thinks Bruce should incorporate a meet-up in all his tours... and do 9 seconds practices with technicians... ;)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Mickorod Renard: Shaz,,how are you?
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, I agree, 0.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: touch all ya want Boxy, the tail isn't going to say anything lol
    Alfred Kelberry: *giggles*
    Alfred Kelberry: sneaky kitty :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia grins innocently
    Alfred Kelberry: and i keep trying positioning the cursor properly :)
    Mickorod Renard: I cant see anything,,my graphic card on the laptop is c**p
    Bruce Mowbray: I was wondering why you were facing away from us, Mick.
    Mickorod Renard: yes, I cannot even see where to sit
    Alfred Kelberry: Mick, too bad you can't see Sharon :)
    Mickorod Renard: I was thinking this Alf
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you're sweet Boxy but im not sure what you're talking about ;p
    Alfred Kelberry: hehe
    Bruce Mowbray: I got a new video card for my computer about a month ago, and it is amazing how much improved the SL visuals are.
    Mickorod Renard: you will have to post me a pici
    Bruce Mowbray: OK.. I will do that now, Mick.
    Alfred Kelberry: will do, Mick :)
    Alfred Kelberry: haha
    Alfred Kelberry: everyone is snapping Sharon's pictures :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia is embarrassed now haha
    Mickorod Renard: that's an idea,,I wonder if I take a snap it will just see grey
    oO0Oo Resident notes a profusion of paparazzi flash bulbs going off near SSL
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm i don't know. i think it may work that way
    SophiaSharon Larnia: omg
    SophiaSharon Larnia: runs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i could never make it as a famous person
    SophiaSharon Larnia: id crash and burn
    oO0Oo Resident: Haha dats funny!!
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: nice sound, sam :)
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Bruce is uploading a pic of Mick -- just as Mick was turning around.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: yay Mick :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks :)
    Bruce Mowbray: There you are!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yep, that's Mick alright :))



    Alfred Kelberry: hehe
    oO0Oo Resident: ty for the pic Bruce! Nice :)
    Bruce Mowbray: wb, Mick!
    Mickorod Renard: well,,that made me crash
    Mickorod Renard: must have been a hot picture
    SophiaSharon Larnia: welcomes back the appearance of Mick :)
    Bruce Mowbray understands the 'crash' feeling.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it was of you Mick :D
    Bruce Mowbray: Do you want me to give you another one, Mick?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so, yea
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: thanks Bruce
    Mickorod Renard: hey,,it's opening up
    Bruce Mowbray wants to welcome and appreciate the appearance of the presence of everything.
    SophiaSharon Larnia holds her breath
    Mickorod Renard: yea, i am facing the wrong way
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles at Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: You turned around right after I snapped it, though, Mick.
    Mickorod Renard: where's the pic of SS?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i had the idea this morning that all I had to do was say 'yes'
    Bruce Mowbray: I can also take one of Sharon -- just a sec, please.

    Mickorod Renard: come on guys,,this isn't fair
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i was extremely tired at the time so im not sure if i can trust what i think then
    Mickorod Renard: :))
    oO0Oo Resident: *"hey,,its opening up"*, and *"just say yes"*... :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm. I like the idea of saying "yes."
    Bruce Mowbray: OK, so long as I can say 'yes' to everything. . . nothing excluded.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and right after that, that it was some kind of informed consent/decision kind of thing
    Mickorod Renard: I was wondering what a world would be like if there was no no
    Mickorod Renard: thanks Bruce
    Mickorod Renard: wink wink
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Zen !
    SophiaSharon Larnia: aw thanks Bruce, i always look better in the mirror than pictures :)
    Zen Arado: hi all
    Bruce Mowbray: Cosmos says, 'yes' to everything, I think. Nothing gets kicked out of Cosmos.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Zen :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no no?? hmm
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Zen!!!!!!
    Bruce Mowbray: Time and Space say 'yes' to everything. . . Or do I have that wrong?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i am listening Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: If so, just kick me out of the Cosmos. (I dare you!)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zen!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Qt!
    Qt Core: Hi all!
    Mickorod Renard: heyyyyy QT
    oO0Oo Resident: QT! Good to see ya :)
    Zen Arado: I think it's us that have to say yes to everything
    Qt Core: :) O
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Qt
    Zen Arado: Hi Qt
    Mickorod Renard: has anyone got snow yet?
    Zen Arado: or so Eckhart Tolle says
    Bruce Mowbray: brb -- just a sec, afk (gotta stoke the fire....)
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is very simple on the one hand, just say yes, but this load of information accompanies it... it seems to me that some people don't carry the same struggles with the information and can assimilate it. accept it easier than others, but i don't know if im just judging
    oO0Oo Resident: interesting SSL... This came to you in a transitional waking state?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no, i was driving home from work
    Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps the 'soul' is limited in its capacities for reception, then?
    oO0Oo Resident: :)..
    SophiaSharon Larnia: actually thought this before
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but the words are difficult
    Mickorod Renard: I do most of my thinking when I am driving,,saves time
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i'd like to think there is NO limitations in its receptivity
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe Mick
    Alfred Kelberry: zen, qt :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I also like to think that, Sophia.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the filters are closer somewhere?
    oO0Oo Resident: the receptivity SSL.. on the part of others? or the flood of information?
    Bruce Mowbray: One of my many concepts of "soul" is that it is infinitely expandable.
    Alfred Kelberry: Mick, don't forget to pay attention to the road :)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Multi-tasking Mick, they call him.
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: http://up.keep.se/sharon.jpg


    Bruce Mowbray ponders filters for the soul.
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh totally cool photo, Boxy.
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I was referring to flood of information, Sam, and others are information as well too (i just imaging info squared and about had a heart attack lol)
    Alfred Kelberry: thank you :)
    Mickorod Renard: now they banned doing other things whilst driving (like ironing) it's about the only other thing u can do
    SophiaSharon Larnia: like ironing??
    SophiaSharon Larnia: do you drive a motor home, Mick?


    Bruce Mowbray: Is the "problem" with  the amount of information or with our containers for "holding" it?
    SophiaSharon Larnia would like to see that (not)
    Bruce Mowbray: [drop]
    Mickorod Renard: I have an Italian job,,it's not a motorhome
    Mickorod Renard: just thought qt wud appreciate that
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the container imho - and it may not be a *problem* but to be that way for a reason (and Mick, I was kidding :) )
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh sorry for talking over the bell
    Mickorod Renard: I wonder what the literal translation of motor home is in Italian?
    Bruce Mowbray listens -- perhaps Qt can answer that.
    Mickorod Renard: :))
    oO0Oo Resident: How are you Qt?
    Alfred Kelberry: qt is processing the input data
    Alfred Kelberry: give him time
    Qt Core: we say camper (not an Italian word, obviously from "to camp")
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (yes, so do we sometimes Qt)
    Bruce Mowbray: yeah, we say "camper" too.
    Alfred Kelberry: motorhome is for the uk :)
    Mickorod Renard: I think Winnebago is an odd word
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
    Bruce Mowbray: a native American word, actually.
    Mickorod Renard: ahhh
    Bruce Mowbray wonders were Kori is today.
    Alfred Kelberry: been here shortly
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh, i thought it was the manufacturer. Inventors seem to name things after themselves :)
    Alfred Kelberry: said that you've been very kind to her, bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: really????
    oO0Oo Resident: *Boxy sees kindness*
    oO0Oo Resident: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho-Chunk
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Mickorod Renard: someone was trying to explain the origin of the make Dodge to me the other day
    Bruce Mowbray: Winnebago: "Siouan people of eastern Wisconsin," 1766, from Potawatomi winepyekoha, lit. "person of dirty water," in allusion to the muddy or fish-clogged waters of the Fox River below Lake Winnebago.  Also, As a type of motor vehicle, attested from 1966.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you Sam!~
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Reluctant!
    Bruce Mowbray: You are welcome to join us, if you wish.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Reluctant, welcome
    Zen Arado: he's a bit reluctant :-)
    Alfred Kelberry: Potawatomi - i think kori speaks the language
    Mickorod Renard: mmmm interesting..I travelled into the wilderness of Wisconsin in a Winnebago once
    Reluctant Modan: Thank you Sophia.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i stand corrected!
    Bruce Mowbray: I don't think you and I have met before, Reluctant. Is this your first time to the PaB fountain?
    Reluctant Modan: I believe it is.
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Reluctant
    Bruce Mowbray: OK.. Thanks.
    Bruce Mowbray: I need to ask your permission to post whatever you might say in chat into our online wiki.
    Bruce Mowbray: I will give you a note....
    Alfred Kelberry: mick, "the wilderness of Wisconsin" - that is great!
    Reluctant Modan: Ok .
    Mickorod Renard: in a Winnebago, sort of make a good song
    oO0Oo Resident: Welcome reluctant
    Mickorod Renard: perhaps we could do a haiku with the words
    Bruce Mowbray: It is OK if we post whatever you say in the wiki, Reluctant?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well Winnebago is already 4 syllables lol
    Bruce Mowbray: I can also delete individual lines, if you tell me to...
    Reluctant Modan: yes you can post what ever I say
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, Reluctant.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a Winnebago...sort of make a good... song for the dusty road.
    Bruce Mowbray listens to catch the Winnebago/Wisconsin drift.
    oO0Oo Resident: Nice to give space for newcomers.. and guardian to introduce.. :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (bad)
    Mickorod Renard: is 4 syllables a complete haiku?
    Zen Arado: I have to go
    Bruce Mowbray: We meet here four times a day -- around the clock and around the globe. . . at SLT times: 1,7,1,7, Reluctant.
    Mickorod Renard: I have forgotten how to do one
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Zen.
    Zen Arado: bye all
    oO0Oo Resident: Nice to see you Zen.. Take care :)
    Mickorod Renard: bye Zen,,be well
    Qt Core: bye Zen
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh wait its 5-7-5 bye Zen!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: doh
    Mickorod Renard: ok
    Bruce Mowbray: 5-7-5???
    SophiaSharon Larnia: am i wrong again?
    Reluctant Modan: Take care Zen maybe we'll met again.
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh you mean a haiku.
    Bruce Mowbray: sry.
    Bruce Mowbray: I thought you were referring to SLT times for our sessions here.  ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: sry.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Here's a haiku that one of my 8th grade students wrote over 450 years ago:
    Bruce Mowbray: ready for it???
    Bruce Mowbray: 40 years ago ... SORRY!!!!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: whao!!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
    Bruce Mowbray: Here it is:
    Bruce Mowbray: "Suppose the stars fall.
                                Do you know what will happen?
                                A bird will eat them."
    Mickorod Renard:  Winnebago go

                                  Wisconsin Winnebago

                                  Winnebago gone.

    SophiaSharon Larnia: aww that's great
    Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and yea Mick
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yay :) i mean
    Bruce Mowbray: Anyone else have an inspirational haiku to share?
    oO0Oo Resident hopes Qt is feeling well today :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Bruce, it seems like there is more in that hiaku


    Bruce Mowbray reminds all that we "drop"...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: birds eating falling stars
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: yes Bruce,,a lovely Haiku
    Mickorod Renard: and a sort or distancing from birds dropping too
    Bruce Mowbray: Cool Winnebago haiku, Mick!!
    Mickorod Renard: ty,,,takes a bow
    Bruce Mowbray: [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
    Bruce Mowbray: [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
    SophiaSharon Larnia: what kind of sustenance is a falling star? If you are what you eat :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: scrolls up
    SophiaSharon Larnia: whoa, cool, but i couldn't recite it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: tongue twister
    Bruce Mowbray: We are all star stuff. . .
    Mickorod Renard: a falling star could be a wish
    Mickorod Renard: perhaps
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, or perhaps an omen.
    Mickorod Renard: symbolic
    Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps a visitation from the gods.
    Bruce Mowbray: If I'm not mistaken about this, "angels" were thought to be divine messengers. . . as in, "An angel just visited me."
    Mickorod Renard: I have seen many shooting stars but only maybe one falling star, it's sort of spooky to think that you just look at that place just at that time,,almost get a pang of guilt,,
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Rick.
    Bruce Mowbray: How is it that you'd get a pang of guilt, Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: well,,no reason to ,,but a feeling that ones personal role in being witness to existence and that it was perhaps only noticed by myself
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ooh
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmm. . . . perhaps yet more "evidence" of a heavenly messenger. . .
    Mickorod Renard: no chance of calling the family out to see it,,cos its gone
    Bruce Mowbray: yes.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you were blessed
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Alfred Kelberry: um, i have a question about one particular story from the old testament - Abraham and Isaac. what is the morale of the story? have faith in god despite anything?
    Bruce Mowbray: indeed, Sophia. 
    Bruce Mowbray listens for others' response to the Abraham and Isaac story.
    Alfred Kelberry: ale :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia will not comment on that story :)
    Alfred Kelberry: why not? :)
    Mickorod Renard: it is interpreted in different ways, Alf
    Alfred Kelberry: psst... reply to me in im :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, i have an opinion that may not be shared by the majority and it would take way too long to get into here and how
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it's really something that has to be written in advance
    Bruce Mowbray listens carefully for Sophia's opinion.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not on the log :))
    Alfred Kelberry: those opinions are most valuable, Sharon
    Bruce Mowbray: (in haiku form?)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i can not
    Bruce Mowbray: kk.
    Bruce Mowbray: np, Sophia.
    Mickorod Renard: it may be worth looking at online views first Alf,,to get some angle on it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not without alienating some and i wouldn't do that
    Alfred Kelberry: i know, Mick. i wanted to know what pabbers think.
    oO0Oo Resident: Sophia's oppinion seems to be that it is wisest for her to abstain :)
    Bruce Mowbray: For me, it seems to speak of unquestioning obedience to divine authority.
    Bruce Mowbray: and faith that the divine authority is trustworthy.
    Mickorod Renard: I think I go along with Bruce's answer
    SophiaSharon Larnia: what is divine authority?
    Mickorod Renard: but also it may be multi-layered
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, that's the major idea i get from it
    Bruce Mowbray: That trust seems to be fundamental to the Israelite tradition --- yes, multi-layered...
    Mickorod Renard: like the story about Jesus suggesting that if your son is bad he should be thrown to the neighbors and punished
    Alfred Kelberry: Sophia, good point :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I have no point, just info overload :)
    Bruce Mowbray: If I am correct with this, Jehovah does not speak directly to humans again, after the Abraham/ Isaac story.
    Bruce Mowbray: That was the last time. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: unless you accept the Christian story....


    Bruce Mowbray: [drop]
    Alfred Kelberry: it sounds quite dictatorial
    Mickorod Renard: the funny thing with many bible stories is what I find with i ching and so forth,,the answer is dependant with the context of your inner question at the time of reading
    Bruce Mowbray: context is crucial, yes, agree, Mick.
    Bruce Mowbray: Quoting the text out of context is a pretext.
    Alfred Kelberry: Mick, yes. cognitive biases.
    Mickorod Renard: the same story can mean different things to one's own life at different times
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now everyone :)) Take care and thank you
    Bruce Mowbray: definitely so, Mick.
    Mickorod Renard: bye SSL
    Bruce Mowbray: (just as with any I Ching reading).
    Mickorod Renard: take care
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Sophia!
    oO0Oo Resident: Bye SSL.. Nice to see you :)
    Mickorod Renard: I must go too,,
    Mickorod Renard: but great to see you all
    Bruce Mowbray: A question about contexts, if I might ask???
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Mick!
    oO0Oo Resident: Bye Mick :) ntsy
    Qt Core: bye mick
    Mickorod Renard: a question to who Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: Are "contexts" like concentric circles... when a pebble hits the surface of water?
    oO0Oo Resident imagines a recreational vehicle called "Win a Bagel"
    Bruce Mowbray: Do they spread out?
    Bruce Mowbray: How large is the "context" for a particular Bible verse, for example?
    Mickorod Renard: he he ,,I hope you are not asking me Bruce cos I am not that wise
    oO0Oo Resident: wider than the sky
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, I'm asking everyone...
    Bruce Mowbray: Is the context just that particular chapter?
    Bruce Mowbray: or perhaps the entire gospel?
    Bruce Mowbray: or perhaps the entire New Testament?
    Mickorod Renard: I am finding now,,and not so much in sense of the bible,,that things are more fractal
    Bruce Mowbray: or perhaps the entire Roman Empire?
    Bruce Mowbray: etc etc etc.
    Bruce Mowbray: and does that context eventually reach all the way to us in the 21st Century?
    Alfred Kelberry: i agree on various contexts, but telling a guy to kill his son in order to test his loyalty? i think even yakuza would not let this happen :)
    Mickorod Renard: so in a similar context yes
    Bruce Mowbray: Mmmmm??? Even Yaku - - - not sure whether he'd do that or not.
    Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps the Israelites would have made good Texans..
    Bruce Mowbray: (talking about exaggeration, now).
    Alfred Kelberry: organized crime in Japan, Bruce :)
    Alfred Kelberry: not our Yaku :)
    Bruce Mowbray: mmmm....
    Mickorod Renard: the interesting thing is,,that God had the power to stop it anyway
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh a different Yaku, sry.
    Qt Core: have to go, bye all
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, that's the conundrum, isn't it?
    Mickorod Renard: so it was purely a test of Dad
    Bruce Mowbray: God has the power to prevent evil, but does not.
    oO0Oo Resident: Have to go too:) Take care all :)
    Reluctant Modan: Yes I have to go too. This has been very interesting.
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Qt!
    Mickorod Renard: bye oOOOo
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Samuo!
    Mickorod Renard: bye Rel
    oO0Oo Resident: :)Nice to meet you 'reluctant' .. all the best everyone :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Alas, tis the suppering hour for moi, as well.
    Alfred Kelberry: mick, i think it's a justification of a belief system to play down the horror of the request
    Bruce Mowbray: So I shall join the departing throng.
    Bruce Mowbray: May all be safe and happy.
    Mickorod Renard: its too deep Alf,,cos then there is a question of free will
    Mickorod Renard: bye Bruce
    Alfred Kelberry: no free will. telling a parent to kill his son is simply wrong :)
    Mickorod Renard: it is,,but this was an epic period in mans history
    Alfred Kelberry: heh, right :)
    Mickorod Renard: and more than that ,,perhaps the essence is in posing that actual question
    Mickorod Renard: posing
    Mickorod Renard: that it makes all men ask that question,,'how far will I be pushed'
    Mickorod Renard: how much trust have i
    Mickorod Renard: how strong is my faith
    Mickorod Renard: etc
    Alfred Kelberry: yes
    Mickorod Renard: its a toughy
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,I must go
    Alfred Kelberry: bye, Mick :)
    Alfred Kelberry: nice of you to come
    Mickorod Renard: but one day I will tell u a story
    Alfred Kelberry: do it more often :)
    Mickorod Renard: will do Alf
    Alfred Kelberry: hi to Morgano the cutie :
    Alfred Kelberry: )
    Mickorod Renard: thanks :))
    Mickorod Renard: yea,,she is here snoring next to me
    Alfred Kelberry: hehe
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Alfred Kelberry: good :)
    Mickorod Renard: bye

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