2012.02.01 13:00 - The coldest night of the year

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.


    Wol Euler: good evening Korel
    Korel Laloix: Bozho
    Korel Laloix: How are you today?
    Wol Euler: pretty well thanks
    Wol Euler: it's chilly here, well below zero today
    Wol Euler hums "the coldest night of the year"
    Korel Laloix: That sounds positively evil.
    Korel Laloix: I soooo can't wait till Spring.
    Wol Euler: um, zero celsius, probably no worse than 27 F
    Wol Euler: maybe 25
    Wol Euler: how are you?
    Wol Euler: other than wanting spring
    Wol Euler: :)
    Korel Laloix: Just busy and strange this week.
    Korel Laloix: I guess normal life for me.
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: strange and normal are relative terms
    Korel Laloix: True.. I am perfectly normal and everyone else is strange.
    Wol Euler: that is so often the way :)=
    Wol Euler: hello fef
    Korel Laloix: Bozho Fef
    Fefonz Quan: Ah, so you are the one korel :)
    Fefonz Quan: Heya!
    Korel Laloix: Being perfect is hard to bare sometimes.... grins
    Fefonz Quan: strange, I have never considered myself to be the normal one
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Korel Laloix: Understandable, as I am the normal one.
    Korel Laloix: So by definition, you are not... grins
    Fefonz Quan: the aspiration to normality is overated in my opinion
    Korel Laloix: True, everyone trying to be like me is a bit silly.
    Wol Euler: though nowhere nearly as highly overrated as the desire to be "exceptional"
    Wol Euler: IMHO
    Wol Euler: particularly the way this is sold by advertisers
    Korel Laloix: Well, I have exceptional coverd as wel... exceptionally normal...
    Fefonz Quan: yes, the desire to be exceptional is so normal :)
    Wol Euler: "prove yourself a true individual by wearing the same jeans as eveyrone else"
    Korel Laloix gigles
    Korel Laloix: The quest to be free by trying to fit into a small subgroup is a strange way to go.
    Wol Euler: solitude is frightening to many people, I think
    Fefonz Quan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVygqjyS4CA
    Fefonz Quan: :)
    Korel Laloix: I find a lot of the time that people that claim to be non conformists tend to cling to their social group more tightly than the main stream folks.
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Wol Euler: hello arch
    Wol Euler: yes, korel, that is true
    Fefonz Quan: Hello Arch, and hikari
    Korel Laloix: Never been a MOnty Python fan... but that is rathet well done.
    Fefonz Quan: ewll, they have more to loose Korel
    Korel Laloix: What do you mean?
    Korel Laloix: Can you talk about that more?
    Korel Laloix: Please
    Fefonz Quan: the non-conformitst
    Korel Laloix: has more to loose?
    Fefonz Quan: let's say that been far from the average takes energy
    Archmage Atlantis: Sistren and brethren, namaste and blessings from the other places.
    Fefonz Quan: but once you
    Korel Laloix: Bozho
    Fefonz Quan: are there, it also takes energy to keep this astatus
    Fefonz Quan: while being in the average, you need no effort but hence no assets to loose
    Archmage Atlantis: There is no guardian assigned on the wiki for this session.....my record of claiming these is not stellar
    Fefonz Quan: well there is Arch, guess who? :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Danke, Fef
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Korel Laloix: I can if you like.
    Archmage Atlantis: Ok, am vs. pm....got mixed up
    Archmage Atlantis: world time, ya know
    Fefonz Quan: happens all the time, especially with the 12 hours :)
    Fefonz Quan: onbviously 12am should have been *at noon*
    Archmage Atlantis: Listening to spirituals
    Archmage Atlantis: Deep River
    Korel Laloix: What sort?
    Archmage Atlantis: Want to cross over
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Archmage Atlantis: my home is over Jordan
    Fefonz Quan: (break on through to the other side, poom boom poom pooboompoompooboompoom)
    Wol Euler: hello fox, nice to see you here
    Archmage Atlantis: :)
    Fox Monacular: hello everyone:)
    Korel Laloix: osiyo
    Fefonz Quan: Hello Fox
    Fefonz Quan: I don't think I would stay long, since I came back from china I didn;t quite recover yet
    Fefonz Quan: somehow it hit my immune system
    Archmage Atlantis: How is your young daughter, Fef?
    Wol Euler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLUaebHNOSQ
    Fefonz Quan: maybe the extreme cold ther...
    Fox Monacular: did you have a good trip, Fefonz?
    Fefonz Quan: very cute, thanks Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: good
    Archmage Atlantis: sometimes, things are just good
    Fefonz Quan: hard work Fox, and the -13 celsius on the morning surely didn't elp :)
    Fox Monacular: oh, I see... -13 is not the best relaxing weather:)
    Wol Euler: wow
    Wol Euler: it's funny, I don't think of China as being a cold place.
    Fefonz Quan: well, you know, it's quite big, and get up to mongoliya/russia in te north
    Archmage Atlantis: China spans frigid cold to tropic hot
    Wol Euler: true
    Fefonz Quan: very nice song wol
    Fefonz Quan: not familiar with this artist
    Wol Euler: a canadian hero :)
    Korel Laloix: Will watch later at home thanks.
    Fefonz Quan: like the vocal and mostly the guitars and saxophone
    Wol Euler: the song is about toronto, where I grew up
    Wol Euler: well, not about but set in
    Fefonz Quan: well, then you know someting about cold weather
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: I know that humidity makes a huge difference
    Fefonz Quan: Beiging is teribbbly dry
    Fefonz Quan: jing*
    Wol Euler: -3 and humid in Germany is far more uncomfortable than -18 and dry on the prairies, as long as you are out oof the wind
    Fefonz Quan: why? because it is snowy?
    Wol Euler: I'm not sure of the scientific explanation, but the humidity makes the cold air cut into your bones in a way that the dry cold of the prairies does not
    Fox Monacular: humid cold is horrible... in Montreal too, -3 and humid is somehow worse than -15
    Wol Euler: yeah
    Fox Monacular: looking really forward to the end of this winter:)
    Fefonz Quan: I giess it makes also your skin wet and that adds to the cold feeling (like wind factor maybe)
    Archmage Atlantis: Wol, I thought you were German!!!......I did not know you were part of the Canadian socialist forces :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: oh no, I am canadian :) I only moved here 15 years ago
    Fefonz Quan: Germanadian
    Wol Euler: :)
    Fefonz Quan: well, some years to go till you get even
    Fefonz Quan: (bad english I think)
    Wol Euler: understood :)
    Archmage Atlantis: All English is "bad".....it is a mutable language
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Arisia
    Arisia Vita: greetings all
    Wol Euler: hello ari
    Fox Monacular: hi Arisia
    Archmage Atlantis: Forged of Celtic, Anglo, Latin....modified by Amerind,
    Fefonz Quan: So as I said before, I will make it short today and try to accumulate some sleeping hours
    Archmage Atlantis: espaniol
    Fefonz Quan: take care friends, great to see you all here
    Wol Euler nods.
    Korel Laloix: Ciao
    Wol Euler: take care of youreslf, fef, gute besserung
    Arisia Vita: bye fef
    Fox Monacular: take care Fefonz, good to see you
    Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
    Archmage Atlantis: _/!\_
    Fox Monacular: Unfortunately I need to go do some work (was taking a break in SL:)
    Fox Monacular: take care everyone
    Wol Euler: awwww
    Wol Euler: bye fox, take care
    Wol Euler: dream well
    Arisia Vita: be well and happy fox
    Wol Euler: change of shift :) the evening crew coming on
    Archmage Atlantis: k
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone :)
    Wol Euler: helllo sophia
    Wol Euler: ice to see you again
    Wol Euler: +n
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you too!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its funny, pab is kind of a time compass for me
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i wake up and think of what time it is in relation to if a session is going on or not :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Arisia Vita: welcome boxy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: even now
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Boxy
    Korel Laloix: Take care all.
    Wol Euler: hello boxy, bye korel
    Korel Laloix: Bcak tothatdarn RL.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: whereever you are ^^
    Wol Euler: awwwww
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Korel
    Wol Euler: be careful there
    Alfred Kelberry: kori, be good
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello boxy
    Archmage Atlantis: I knew I sensed a puppy
    Alfred Kelberry: kitty and woly - nice pair :)
    Alfred Kelberry: archy :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ok , so Arch disappeared for me but his fish are still here ?
    Wol Euler: me too
    Wol Euler: arch suddenly turned invisible
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Xirana :)
    Wol Euler: hello xir
    Arisia Vita: welcome xirana
    Archmage Atlantis: In Harry Potter terms....I think I disapperated
    Archmage Atlantis: oy vey
    Xirana Oximoxi: thank you!!! good night everyone :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: xiri :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: your name still shows, youre not completely in stealth mode
    Xirana Oximoxi: sorry!!! I hate my laptop!!
    Wol Euler: awwwww
    SophiaSharon Larnia: SL on a laptop? shivers
    Alfred Kelberry: sharon, i went to sl from a netbook in berlin :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh wow, yea
    Alfred Kelberry: i could talk and move a little :)
    Wol Euler: grumbling all the way :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i was on a lap top too, not a top of the line one
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, strip that deceiving woly's comment fro mthe log :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i really dont know why i kept logging in actually
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, new outfit, woly
    Alfred Kelberry: i like it
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: for the RP place
    Wol Euler: mediaeval garb
    Alfred Kelberry: smart girl from a little town
    Wol Euler: the males are all warriors, the females either princesses or slaves
    Wol Euler: so I chose this :)
    Wol Euler: wb xir
    Alfred Kelberry: wise :)
    Alfred Kelberry: i'm still waiting for the identity workshop, btw :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Xirana
    Xirana Oximoxi: hello!! good night everyone :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: ty Sophia:)
    Alfred Kelberry: identities and roles are much related
    Wol Euler: true, boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, snapshot is taken :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Am I defined by my outlines?, but that which moves past me?.......that is sorta spooky.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks for the warning boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: um, woly's this time, sharon :)
    Wol Euler: my what?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :) i was kidding
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry, have to go and make coffee, have fun
    Wol Euler: bye sophia, take care
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye sophia!!
    Archmage Atlantis: Ari, may I ask what drew you here?
    Archmage Atlantis: In a public way
    Archmage Atlantis: As I just did
    Arisia Vita: of course you may ask...
    Arisia Vita: oh, you want an answer? :)
    Archmage Atlantis: yepper
    Arisia Vita: this is an easy one
    Arisia Vita: I came to be with old friends, and hopefully find new ones
    Alfred Kelberry: eh, don't like the angle that came out
    Xirana Oximoxi: :) .. nice answer
    Alfred Kelberry: background, in fact
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Alfred Kelberry: i came to learn more about architecture and excel files
    Alfred Kelberry: *looks at woly*
    Xirana Oximoxi: hahah
    Xirana Oximoxi: ahhh then it was a seriuos answer:)
    Archmage Atlantis: Ari, it troubles me to see into my insanity
    Arisia Vita: then look somewhere else
    Alfred Kelberry: xiri, it's a special case of the ari's answer :)
    Archmage Atlantis: That I believe that the ships shall be set sail from Atlantis
    Wol Euler: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: all abord!
    Alfred Kelberry: wait...
    Alfred Kelberry: all aboard!
    Archmage Atlantis: I cannot Ari
    Archmage Atlantis: to do so
    Archmage Atlantis: would not be who I am
    Arisia Vita: then close your eyes, and see with your mind
    Archmage Atlantis: The ships shall sail
    Archmage Atlantis: Star set the gates
    Archmage Atlantis: I opened the gate of life
    Alfred Kelberry: btw, about insanity. anyone heard of the rosenhan experiment?
    Archmage Atlantis: so shall it be
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and namaste
    Wol Euler: not yet
    Wol Euler: bye arch, take care
    Xirana Oximoxi: no boxy, can you explain a little?
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye Arch! :)
    Alfred Kelberry: they made healthy, normal people admitted into psychiatric institutions under false conditions (they claimed they heard voices)
    Alfred Kelberry: all of them came in with a diagnosis schizophrenia
    Alfred Kelberry: it took on average 2 weeks (if i recall correctly) for the staff to figure out they're actually normal before they were let go
    Wol Euler nods.
    Alfred Kelberry: they seemingly normal behavior was interpreted as abnormal given the curcumstances
    Alfred Kelberry: by the doctors
    Wol Euler nods.
    Xirana Oximoxi: I was going to ask you what were considered 'normal' people :)
    Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment
    Alfred Kelberry: but what's interesting the patients figured them out much earlier :)
    Alfred Kelberry: they thought they don't belong here
    Wol Euler: The study concluded, "It is clear that we cannot distinguish the sane from the insane in psychiatric hospitals" <- wikipedia
    Xirana Oximoxi: thanks Wol !!1... Several were confined for months. All were forced to admit to having a mental illness and agree to take antipsychotic drugs as a condition of their release. !!! :)
    Alfred Kelberry: it emphasises how we're situationally dependant
    Alfred Kelberry: they did some neat social psych in those times. before the strict ethical rules prohibited it.
    Arisia Vita: I must fly, it was great being with you all, hope to see you again soon
    Wol Euler: bye ari, take care
    Arisia Vita: be well and happy
    Alfred Kelberry: fly well
    Alfred Kelberry: it's also interesting to experience role dissonance when two of your roles clash
    Wol Euler: for example?
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye Ari :)
    Alfred Kelberry: when you talk on a phone with your loved one and suddenly your boss comes in :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Alfred Kelberry: or... you're a girl in sl and speak in male's voice :)
    Wol Euler doesn't know anyone like that.
    Alfred Kelberry: the identity workshop would be awesome
    Wol Euler: it will be
    Wol Euler: just not yet
    Alfred Kelberry: so much interesting stuff on it
    Wol Euler: yeah
    Alfred Kelberry: and as a suggestion we could start with the social identity theory
    Wol Euler looks it up+
    Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_identity_theory
    Alfred Kelberry: it basically says that the life is a stage and we're the actors :)
    Alfred Kelberry: which was well noted long before social psych kicked in :)
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: and here we are - just you and me :)
    Alfred Kelberry: now the stage is bare...
    Wol Euler: lights! camera!
    Wol Euler: oh wow!
    Wol Euler: when you look up like that, I can see into your body box - it is full of circuit boards!
    Alfred Kelberry: ouch :)
    Wol Euler: hehehe
    Alfred Kelberry: where do i look anyway?
    Wol Euler: do it again and hold it, I'll take a photo
    Wol Euler: what you just did
    Alfred Kelberry: i don't know. i didn't do anything.
    Wol Euler: push your mouse up the screen
    Alfred Kelberry: ah
    Wol Euler: that was good, now hold still
    Wol Euler: ok done
    Wol Euler: ty
    Alfred Kelberry: wee!
    Alfred Kelberry: haha
    Alfred Kelberry: neat
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: the secret revealed
    Alfred Kelberry: anyway, i'll continue...
    Wol Euler: please do
    Wol Euler: actually I should go, have to get to bed soon
    Alfred Kelberry: ...and i'm standing here with emptiness all around
    Wol Euler: awwwwwww
    Alfred Kelberry: and if you won't come back to me
    Alfred Kelberry: then make them bring the curtain down
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Wol Euler: of course I'll come back, I always do.
    Alfred Kelberry: yay! :)
    Alfred Kelberry: woly took on the role wonderfully :)
    Alfred Kelberry: experiment is a success!
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Alfred Kelberry: *pokes woly's nose*
    Wol Euler: beep!
    Alfred Kelberry: maybe you could make a red round clown nose
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Alfred Kelberry: people would click you too :)
    Wol Euler: there's an idea
    Alfred Kelberry: btw, about those in power loving to bring up an enemy in a critical time. it's also laid out in the identity theory.
    Alfred Kelberry: existence of a hostile group creates a counter group and unites people
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: no "us" without a "them" to hate
    Alfred Kelberry: in this sense pab is interesting
    Alfred Kelberry: it is certainlly a group and quite solid in principles and views while having people from various walks of life
    Alfred Kelberry: but lack of hierarchy is the key, i think, and what lets it sustain for such long period of time
    Alfred Kelberry: without much drama
    Wol Euler nods.
    Alfred Kelberry: also, it's amazing how people instantly draw conclusions based on various roles we partake on
    Wol Euler nods.
    Alfred Kelberry: that's why i'm generally reluctant to reveal them
    Alfred Kelberry: once you say "i'm a teacher" - done, you created a set of expectations
    Wol Euler: yep
    Wol Euler: even simple things like age
    Wol Euler: people presume that a person of X years age must like certain things and dislike ohters
    Alfred Kelberry: and even more so if you bring up a societal role (e.g. professor at yale)
    Wol Euler: WoW players are surprised to find me amongst them at my advanced age.
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, age is very powerful
    Wol Euler: So I ask them "when do you think you will stop wanting to have fun?"
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: i've been asking that to myself :)
    Alfred Kelberry: and each time end up with an image of a 50 years old doing inappropriate things :)
    Wol Euler: define inappropriate
    Alfred Kelberry: er...
    Alfred Kelberry: not expected
    Wol Euler: define expected
    Alfred Kelberry: :P
    Wol Euler: seriously
    Alessa Tzal: Evening all
    Wol Euler: by what right, on which standards?
    Wol Euler: wotcha alesssa
    Wol Euler: Big Boots.
    Alfred Kelberry: a particular behavior that people expect of you in this role
    Wol Euler: is age a role?
    Alfred Kelberry: say a teacher must be smart and good with speeches
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, that too
    Alfred Kelberry: 20 years old is wild, bold and full of energy
    Alfred Kelberry: 50 years old is considerate, mature, respectable
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Wol Euler: (we are talking about identity and roles etc)
    Alessa Tzal: Good heavens
    Wol Euler: yeah
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, hi
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alessa Tzal: Hiya Mr Pup
    Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
    Wol Euler: have you two met before?
    Alessa Tzal: Yes I think
    Alfred Kelberry: if we did, i don't remember :)
    Alessa Tzal: Aww, thanks
    Wol Euler: Alessa is an old friend
    Wol Euler: and a cute kid
    Alessa Tzal: YAY
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Alfred Kelberry: and she's got huge boots :)
    Wol Euler: indeed
    Alessa Tzal: and weirdly dressed
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, the tail isn't scripted
    Alessa Tzal: Sadly not
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alessa Tzal: can't win em all
    Wol Euler: aye
    Alessa Tzal: ere
    Alessa Tzal: Mesh viewers can do funny things sometimes
    Alessa Tzal: Boxy's ears are rainbow coloured
    Alfred Kelberry: pic taken :)
    Alfred Kelberry: heh
    Alfred Kelberry: i'm on sl v3.5
    Alfred Kelberry: all fine
    Alessa Tzal: Ah, back to normal now
    Alfred Kelberry: wait, 3.2.6
    Wol Euler: um that is probably your graphics card dithering the firelight
    Alfred Kelberry: 3d speak :)
    Alessa Tzal looks for the fire
    Wol Euler: well, torches
    Alessa Tzal: Oh yes
    Alessa Tzal: silly moi
    Alfred Kelberry: woly, we shold do a breaching experiment on one of the sessions
    Wol Euler: eh?
    Alessa Tzal: A what?
    Alfred Kelberry: i.e. breaking social norms
    Alessa Tzal: Don't we do that all the time?
    Alfred Kelberry: oni dance would be one of them, given it's not a pab session :)
    Alfred Kelberry: ale, nope
    Alessa Tzal: Ale?
    Alessa Tzal: (hic)
    Alfred Kelberry: in fact, we're very good in following the roles assigned
    Alfred Kelberry: ales? :)
    Alessa Tzal: Who assigned them?
    Alfred Kelberry: we do, circumstances, other people
    Alessa Tzal: I'll need to think about that
    Wol Euler: my dears, I think I need to get to bed
    Alfred Kelberry: say if you're invited for dinner at your boss's house, as a role of an employee and a visitor, it's not expected that you would start criticizing your boss's wife cooking abilities.
    Alessa Tzal: Snoozle time
    Wol Euler: take care, be happy
    Alfred Kelberry: aww
    Alfred Kelberry: auf, woly
    Alessa Tzal: She would tho :)
    Wol Euler: well, some of us would not criticize friends' cooking either :-P
    Wol Euler grins.
    Alessa Tzal: 'MY GOD WHAT IS THIS?'
    Wol Euler: "you don't seriously expect me to eat this shit do you?"
    Alfred Kelberry: as a simple example. you're not supposed to talk in an elevator in a role of an elevator rider :)
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Wol Euler: goodngiht!
    Alfred Kelberry: ha!
    Alessa Tzal: Box clever Alfie
    Alfred Kelberry: that would be a whole different world, woly :)
    Alfred Kelberry: bye folks :)
    Alessa Tzal: Bye for now

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