Page last modified 08:35, 7 Feb 2012 by fefonz

*The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan*.

Wol Euler: good evening Korel

Korel Laloix: Bozho

Korel Laloix: How are you today?

Wol Euler: pretty well thanks

Wol Euler: it's chilly here, well below zero today

Wol Euler hums "the coldest night of the year"

Korel Laloix: That sounds positively evil.

Korel Laloix: I soooo can't wait till Spring.

Wol Euler: um, zero celsius, probably no worse than 27 F

Wol Euler: maybe 25

Wol Euler: how are you?

Wol Euler: other than wanting spring

Wol Euler: :)

Korel Laloix: Just busy and strange this week.

Korel Laloix: I guess normal life for me.

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: strange and normal are relative terms

--BELL--

Korel Laloix: True.. I am perfectly normal and everyone else is strange.

Wol Euler: that is so often the way :)=

Wol Euler: hello fef

Korel Laloix: Bozho Fef

Fefonz Quan: Ah, so you are the one korel :)

Fefonz Quan: Heya!

Korel Laloix: Being perfect is hard to bare sometimes.... grins

Fefonz Quan: strange, I have never considered myself to be the normal one

Wol Euler smiles.

Korel Laloix: Understandable, as I am the normal one.

Korel Laloix: So by definition, you are not... grins

Fefonz Quan: the aspiration to normality is overated in my opinion

Korel Laloix: True, everyone trying to be like me is a bit silly.

Wol Euler: though nowhere nearly as highly overrated as the desire to be "exceptional"

Wol Euler: IMHO

Wol Euler: particularly the way this is sold by advertisers

Korel Laloix: Well, I have exceptional coverd as wel... exceptionally normal...

Fefonz Quan: yes, the desire to be exceptional is so normal :)

Wol Euler: "prove yourself a true individual by wearing the same jeans as eveyrone else"

Korel Laloix gigles

Korel Laloix: The quest to be free by trying to fit into a small subgroup is a strange way to go.

Wol Euler: solitude is frightening to many people, I think

Fefonz Quan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVygqjyS4CA

Fefonz Quan: :)

Korel Laloix: I find a lot of the time that people that claim to be non conformists tend to cling to their social group more tightly than the main stream folks.

Wol Euler: heheheheh

Wol Euler: hello arch

Wol Euler: yes, korel, that is true

Fefonz Quan: Hello Arch, and hikari

Korel Laloix: Never been a MOnty Python fan... but that is rathet well done.

Fefonz Quan: ewll, they have more to loose Korel

Korel Laloix: What do you mean?

Korel Laloix: Can you talk about that more?

Korel Laloix: Please

Fefonz Quan: the non-conformitst

Korel Laloix: has more to loose?

Fefonz Quan: let's say that been far from the average takes energy

Archmage Atlantis: Sistren and brethren, namaste and blessings from the other places.

Fefonz Quan: but once you

Korel Laloix: Bozho

Fefonz Quan: are there, it also takes energy to keep this astatus

Fefonz Quan: while being in the average, you need no effort but hence no assets to loose

Archmage Atlantis: There is no guardian assigned on the wiki for this session.....my record of claiming these is not stellar

Fefonz Quan: well there is Arch, guess who? :)

Archmage Atlantis: Danke, Fef

Wol Euler smiles.

Korel Laloix: I can if you like.

Archmage Atlantis: Ok, am vs. pm....got mixed up

Archmage Atlantis: world time, ya know

Fefonz Quan: happens all the time, especially with the 12 hours :)

Fefonz Quan: onbviously 12am should have been *at noon*

Archmage Atlantis: Listening to spirituals

Archmage Atlantis: Deep River

Korel Laloix: What sort?

Archmage Atlantis: Want to cross over

Wol Euler smiles.

--BELL--

Archmage Atlantis: my home is over Jordan

Fefonz Quan: (break on through to the other side, poom boom poom pooboompoompooboompoom)

Wol Euler: hello fox, nice to see you here

Archmage Atlantis: :)

Fox Monacular: hello everyone:)

Korel Laloix: osiyo

Fefonz Quan: Hello Fox

Fefonz Quan: I don't think I would stay long, since I came back from china I didn;t quite recover yet

Fefonz Quan: somehow it hit my immune system

Archmage Atlantis: How is your young daughter, Fef?

Wol Euler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLUaebHNOSQ

Fefonz Quan: maybe the extreme cold ther...

Fox Monacular: did you have a good trip, Fefonz?

Fefonz Quan: very cute, thanks Arch

Archmage Atlantis: good

Archmage Atlantis: sometimes, things are just good

Fefonz Quan: hard work Fox, and the -13 celsius on the morning surely didn't elp :)

Fox Monacular: oh, I see... -13 is not the best relaxing weather:)

Wol Euler: wow

Wol Euler: it's funny, I don't think of China as being a cold place.

Fefonz Quan: well, you know, it's quite big, and get up to mongoliya/russia in te north

Archmage Atlantis: China spans frigid cold to tropic hot

Wol Euler: true

Fefonz Quan: very nice song wol

Fefonz Quan: not familiar with this artist

Wol Euler: a canadian hero :)

Korel Laloix: Will watch later at home thanks.

Fefonz Quan: like the vocal and mostly the guitars and saxophone

Wol Euler: the song is about toronto, where I grew up

Wol Euler: well, not about but set in

Fefonz Quan: well, then you know someting about cold weather

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: I know that humidity makes a huge difference

Fefonz Quan: Beiging is teribbbly dry

Fefonz Quan: jing*

Wol Euler: -3 and humid in Germany is far more uncomfortable than -18 and dry on the prairies, as long as you are out oof the wind

Fefonz Quan: why? because it is snowy?

Wol Euler: I'm not sure of the scientific explanation, but the humidity makes the cold air cut into your bones in a way that the dry cold of the prairies does not

Fox Monacular: humid cold is horrible... in Montreal too, -3 and humid is somehow worse than -15

Wol Euler: yeah

Fox Monacular: looking really forward to the end of this winter:)

Fefonz Quan: I giess it makes also your skin wet and that adds to the cold feeling (like wind factor maybe)

Archmage Atlantis: Wol, I thought you were German!!!......I did not know you were part of the Canadian socialist forces :)

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: oh no, I am canadian :) I only moved here 15 years ago

Fefonz Quan: Germanadian

Wol Euler: :)

Fefonz Quan: well, some years to go till you get even

Fefonz Quan: (bad english I think)

Wol Euler: understood :)

Archmage Atlantis: All English is "bad".....it is a mutable language

Fefonz Quan: Hi Arisia

Arisia Vita: greetings all

Wol Euler: hello ari

Fox Monacular: hi Arisia

Archmage Atlantis: Forged of Celtic, Anglo, Latin....modified by Amerind,

Fefonz Quan: So as I said before, I will make it short today and try to accumulate some sleeping hours

Archmage Atlantis: espaniol

Fefonz Quan: take care friends, great to see you all here

Wol Euler nods.

Korel Laloix: Ciao

Wol Euler: take care of youreslf, fef, gute besserung

--BELL--

Arisia Vita: bye fef

Fox Monacular: take care Fefonz, good to see you

Fefonz Quan: _/!\_

Archmage Atlantis: _/!\_

Fox Monacular: Unfortunately I need to go do some work (was taking a break in SL:)

Fox Monacular: take care everyone

Wol Euler: awwww

Wol Euler: bye fox, take care

Wol Euler: dream well

Arisia Vita: be well and happy fox

Wol Euler: change of shift :) the evening crew coming on

Archmage Atlantis: k

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone :)

Wol Euler: helllo sophia

Wol Euler: ice to see you again

Wol Euler: +n

SophiaSharon Larnia: you too!

SophiaSharon Larnia: its funny, pab is kind of a time compass for me

SophiaSharon Larnia: i wake up and think of what time it is in relation to if a session is going on or not :)

Wol Euler smiles.

Arisia Vita: welcome boxy

SophiaSharon Larnia: even now

Alfred Kelberry: hi :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Boxy

Korel Laloix: Take care all.

Wol Euler: hello boxy, bye korel

Korel Laloix: Bcak tothatdarn RL.

SophiaSharon Larnia: whereever you are ^^

Wol Euler: awwwww

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Korel

Wol Euler: be careful there

Alfred Kelberry: kori, be good

Archmage Atlantis: Hello boxy

Archmage Atlantis: I knew I sensed a puppy

Alfred Kelberry: kitty and woly - nice pair :)

Alfred Kelberry: archy :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: ok , so Arch disappeared for me but his fish are still here ?

Wol Euler: me too

Wol Euler: arch suddenly turned invisible

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Xirana :)

Wol Euler: hello xir

Arisia Vita: welcome xirana

Archmage Atlantis: In Harry Potter terms....I think I disapperated

Archmage Atlantis: oy vey

Xirana Oximoxi: thank you!!! good night everyone :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

Alfred Kelberry: xiri :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: your name still shows, youre not completely in stealth mode

Xirana Oximoxi: sorry!!! I hate my laptop!!

Wol Euler: awwwww

SophiaSharon Larnia: SL on a laptop? shivers

Alfred Kelberry: sharon, i went to sl from a netbook in berlin :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: oh wow, yea

Alfred Kelberry: i could talk and move a little :)

Wol Euler: grumbling all the way :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: i was on a lap top too, not a top of the line one

Alfred Kelberry: ok, strip that deceiving woly's comment fro mthe log :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: i really dont know why i kept logging in actually

Wol Euler: heheheh

SophiaSharon Larnia: heh

Alfred Kelberry: ah, new outfit, woly

Alfred Kelberry: i like it

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: for the RP place

Wol Euler: mediaeval garb

Alfred Kelberry: smart girl from a little town

Wol Euler: the males are all warriors, the females either princesses or slaves

Wol Euler: so I chose this :)

Wol Euler: wb xir

Alfred Kelberry: wise :)

Alfred Kelberry: i'm still waiting for the identity workshop, btw :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Xirana

Xirana Oximoxi: hello!! good night everyone :)

Xirana Oximoxi: ty Sophia:)

Alfred Kelberry: identities and roles are much related

--BELL--

Wol Euler: true, boxy

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Alfred Kelberry: ok, snapshot is taken :)

Archmage Atlantis: Am I defined by my outlines?, but that which moves past me?.......that is sorta spooky.

SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks for the warning boxy

Alfred Kelberry: um, woly's this time, sharon :)

Wol Euler: my what?

SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :) i was kidding

SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry, have to go and make coffee, have fun

Wol Euler: bye sophia, take care

Xirana Oximoxi: bye sophia!!

Archmage Atlantis: Ari, may I ask what drew you here?

Archmage Atlantis: In a public way

Archmage Atlantis: As I just did

Arisia Vita: of course you may ask...

Arisia Vita: oh, you want an answer? :)

Archmage Atlantis: yepper

Arisia Vita: this is an easy one

Arisia Vita: I came to be with old friends, and hopefully find new ones

Alfred Kelberry: eh, don't like the angle that came out

Xirana Oximoxi: :) .. nice answer

Alfred Kelberry: background, in fact

Wol Euler smiles.

Alfred Kelberry: i came to learn more about architecture and excel files

Alfred Kelberry: *looks at woly*

Xirana Oximoxi: hahah

Xirana Oximoxi: ahhh then it was a seriuos answer:)

Archmage Atlantis: Ari, it troubles me to see into my insanity

Arisia Vita: then look somewhere else

Alfred Kelberry: xiri, it's a special case of the ari's answer :)

Archmage Atlantis: That I believe that the ships shall be set sail from Atlantis

Wol Euler: :)

Alfred Kelberry: all abord!

Alfred Kelberry: wait...

Alfred Kelberry: all aboard!

Archmage Atlantis: I cannot Ari

Archmage Atlantis: to do so

Archmage Atlantis: would not be who I am

Arisia Vita: then close your eyes, and see with your mind

Archmage Atlantis: The ships shall sail

Archmage Atlantis: Star set the gates

Archmage Atlantis: I opened the gate of life

Alfred Kelberry: btw, about insanity. anyone heard of the rosenhan experiment?

Archmage Atlantis: so shall it be

Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and namaste

Wol Euler: not yet

Wol Euler: bye arch, take care

Xirana Oximoxi: no boxy, can you explain a little?

Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye Arch! :)

Alfred Kelberry: they made healthy, normal people admitted into psychiatric institutions under false conditions (they claimed they heard voices)

Alfred Kelberry: all of them came in with a diagnosis schizophrenia

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: it took on average 2 weeks (if i recall correctly) for the staff to figure out they're actually normal before they were let go

Wol Euler nods.

Alfred Kelberry: they seemingly normal behavior was interpreted as abnormal given the curcumstances

Alfred Kelberry: by the doctors

Wol Euler nods.

Xirana Oximoxi: I was going to ask you what were considered 'normal' people :)

Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment

Alfred Kelberry: but what's interesting the patients figured them out much earlier :)

Alfred Kelberry: they thought they don't belong here

Wol Euler: The study concluded, "It is clear that we cannot distinguish the sane from the insane in psychiatric hospitals" <- wikipedia

Xirana Oximoxi: thanks Wol !!1... Several were confined for months. All were forced to admit to having a mental illness and agree to take antipsychotic drugs as a condition of their release. !!! :)

Alfred Kelberry: it emphasises how we're situationally dependant

Alfred Kelberry: they did some neat social psych in those times. before the strict ethical rules prohibited it.

Arisia Vita: I must fly, it was great being with you all, hope to see you again soon

Wol Euler: bye ari, take care

Arisia Vita: be well and happy

Alfred Kelberry: fly well

Alfred Kelberry: it's also interesting to experience role dissonance when two of your roles clash

Wol Euler: for example?

Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye Ari :)

Alfred Kelberry: when you talk on a phone with your loved one and suddenly your boss comes in :)

Xirana Oximoxi: :)

Wol Euler: heheheh

Alfred Kelberry: or... you're a girl in sl and speak in male's voice :)

Wol Euler doesn't know anyone like that.

Alfred Kelberry: the identity workshop would be awesome

Wol Euler: it will be

Wol Euler: just not yet

Alfred Kelberry: so much interesting stuff on it

Wol Euler: yeah

Alfred Kelberry: and as a suggestion we could start with the social identity theory

Wol Euler looks it up+

Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_identity_theory

Alfred Kelberry: it basically says that the life is a stage and we're the actors :)

Alfred Kelberry: which was well noted long before social psych kicked in :)

Alfred Kelberry: :)

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: and here we are - just you and me :)

Alfred Kelberry: now the stage is bare...

Wol Euler: lights! camera!

Wol Euler: oh wow!

Wol Euler: when you look up like that, I can see into your body box - it is full of circuit boards!

Alfred Kelberry: ouch :)

Wol Euler: hehehe

Alfred Kelberry: where do i look anyway?

Wol Euler: do it again and hold it, I'll take a photo

Wol Euler: what you just did

Alfred Kelberry: i don't know. i didn't do anything.

Wol Euler: push your mouse up the screen

Alfred Kelberry: ah

Wol Euler: that was good, now hold still

Wol Euler: ok done

Wol Euler: ty

Alfred Kelberry: wee!

Alfred Kelberry: haha

Alfred Kelberry: neat

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Alfred Kelberry: the secret revealed

Alfred Kelberry: anyway, i'll continue...

Wol Euler: please do

Wol Euler: actually I should go, have to get to bed soon

Alfred Kelberry: ...and i'm standing here with emptiness all around

Wol Euler: awwwwwww

Alfred Kelberry: and if you won't come back to me

Alfred Kelberry: then make them bring the curtain down

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Wol Euler: of course I'll come back, I always do.

Alfred Kelberry: yay! :)

Alfred Kelberry: woly took on the role wonderfully :)

Alfred Kelberry: experiment is a success!

Wol Euler smiles.

Alfred Kelberry: *pokes woly's nose*

Wol Euler: beep!

Alfred Kelberry: maybe you could make a red round clown nose

Wol Euler: ah :)

Alfred Kelberry: people would click you too :)

Wol Euler: there's an idea

Alfred Kelberry: btw, about those in power loving to bring up an enemy in a critical time. it's also laid out in the identity theory.

Alfred Kelberry: existence of a hostile group creates a counter group and unites people

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: no "us" without a "them" to hate

Alfred Kelberry: in this sense pab is interesting

Alfred Kelberry: it is certainlly a group and quite solid in principles and views while having people from various walks of life

Alfred Kelberry: but lack of hierarchy is the key, i think, and what lets it sustain for such long period of time

Alfred Kelberry: without much drama

Wol Euler nods.

Alfred Kelberry: also, it's amazing how people instantly draw conclusions based on various roles we partake on

Wol Euler nods.

Alfred Kelberry: that's why i'm generally reluctant to reveal them

Alfred Kelberry: once you say "i'm a teacher" - done, you created a set of expectations

Wol Euler: yep

Wol Euler: even simple things like age

Wol Euler: people presume that a person of X years age must like certain things and dislike ohters

Alfred Kelberry: and even more so if you bring up a societal role (e.g. professor at yale)

Wol Euler: WoW players are surprised to find me amongst them at my advanced age.

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: yes, age is very powerful

Wol Euler: So I ask them "when do you think you will stop wanting to have fun?"

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Alfred Kelberry: i've been asking that to myself :)

Alfred Kelberry: and each time end up with an image of a 50 years old doing inappropriate things :)

Wol Euler: define inappropriate

Alfred Kelberry: er...

Alfred Kelberry: not expected

Wol Euler: define expected

Alfred Kelberry: :P

Wol Euler: seriously

Alessa Tzal: Evening all

Wol Euler: by what right, on which standards?

Wol Euler: wotcha alesssa

Wol Euler: Big Boots.

Alfred Kelberry: a particular behavior that people expect of you in this role

Wol Euler: is age a role?

Alfred Kelberry: say a teacher must be smart and good with speeches

Alfred Kelberry: yes, that too

Alfred Kelberry: 20 years old is wild, bold and full of energy

Alfred Kelberry: 50 years old is considerate, mature, respectable

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Wol Euler: (we are talking about identity and roles etc)

Alessa Tzal: Good heavens

Wol Euler: yeah

Alfred Kelberry: oh, hi

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Alessa Tzal: Hiya Mr Pup

Alfred Kelberry: wuff!

Wol Euler: have you two met before?

Alessa Tzal: Yes I think

Alfred Kelberry: if we did, i don't remember :)

Alessa Tzal: Aww, thanks

Wol Euler: Alessa is an old friend

Wol Euler: and a cute kid

Alessa Tzal: YAY

Wol Euler smiles.

Alfred Kelberry: and she's got huge boots :)

Wol Euler: indeed

Alessa Tzal: and weirdly dressed

Alfred Kelberry: ah, the tail isn't scripted

Alessa Tzal: Sadly not

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Alessa Tzal: can't win em all

Wol Euler: aye

Alessa Tzal: ere

Alessa Tzal: Mesh viewers can do funny things sometimes

Alessa Tzal: Boxy's ears are rainbow coloured

Alfred Kelberry: pic taken :)

Alfred Kelberry: heh

Alfred Kelberry: i'm on sl v3.5

Alfred Kelberry: all fine

Alessa Tzal: Ah, back to normal now

Alfred Kelberry: wait, 3.2.6

Wol Euler: um that is probably your graphics card dithering the firelight

Alfred Kelberry: 3d speak :)

Alessa Tzal looks for the fire

Wol Euler: well, torches

Alessa Tzal: Oh yes

Alessa Tzal: silly moi

Alfred Kelberry: woly, we shold do a breaching experiment on one of the sessions

Wol Euler: eh?

Alessa Tzal: A what?

Alfred Kelberry: i.e. breaking social norms

Alessa Tzal: Don't we do that all the time?

Alfred Kelberry: oni dance would be one of them, given it's not a pab session :)

Alfred Kelberry: ale, nope

Alessa Tzal: Ale?

Alessa Tzal: (hic)

Alfred Kelberry: in fact, we're very good in following the roles assigned

Alfred Kelberry: ales? :)

Alessa Tzal: Who assigned them?

Alfred Kelberry: we do, circumstances, other people

Alessa Tzal: I'll need to think about that

Wol Euler: my dears, I think I need to get to bed

Alfred Kelberry: say if you're invited for dinner at your boss's house, as a role of an employee and a visitor, it's not expected that you would start criticizing your boss's wife cooking abilities.

Alessa Tzal: Snoozle time

Wol Euler: take care, be happy

Alfred Kelberry: aww

Alfred Kelberry: auf, woly

Alessa Tzal: She would tho :)

Wol Euler: well, some of us would not criticize friends' cooking either :-P

Wol Euler grins.

Alessa Tzal: 'MY GOD WHAT IS THIS?'

Wol Euler: "you don't seriously expect me to eat this shit do you?"

Alfred Kelberry: as a simple example. you're not supposed to talk in an elevator in a role of an elevator rider :)

Wol Euler: heheh

Wol Euler: goodngiht!

Alfred Kelberry: ha!

Alessa Tzal: Box clever Alfie

Alfred Kelberry: that would be a whole different world, woly :)

Alfred Kelberry: bye folks :)

Alessa Tzal: Bye for now

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