2012.02.05 13:00 - Happiness or Finding true love in the laundromat

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Aphrodite Macbain. The comments and highlights are by Aphrodite Macbain.

    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Aph :) will be afk for a few minutes, I wanted to get here in time
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Sophia
    Aphrodite Macbain: Glad you made it.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Bruce. GTSY
    Bruce Mowbray: Howdy do, happy people!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Are you happy Bruce?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Despite all the stuff happening in your life?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: back L ( thank you Aph, me too! and hi Bruce!
    Bruce Mowbray: I AM happy, and thanks for asking!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Are you happy Sophia?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Korel
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Kori.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :) as it happens, yes, and wouldnt miss a session on it Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Korel
    Korel Laloix: Heya
    Aphrodite Macbain: Kori- would you say you were happy?
    Korel Laloix: Right now? Heck no.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Nods
    Korel Laloix: One of he worst hangovers of my life.
    Bruce Mowbray: :(
    Aphrodite Macbain: awww.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh, hope you feel better
    Korel Laloix: I came here last night...afraid to read the chatlog...
    Korel Laloix: lol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
    Aphrodite Macbain hands Kori an Aspirine
    Bruce Mowbray: Remember that hangovers also have a component of impermanence to them.
    Korel Laloix: Already way past that.
    Korel Laloix: True, but that does not make me feel any better right now.
    Bruce Mowbray: It will get better, Kori.
    Korel Laloix: I just tried to go run... and failed.
    Korel Laloix: Sometimes that makes me feel better.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Sophia- what do you mean by being happy? A momentary feeling or something lasting?
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, oxygenating the system. . . generally a good plan.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: to me it exists as something on different levels, id have to separate the words happy, content, settled
    Aphrodite Macbain: Feeling well is one base for feeling happy but it can shift quickly
    SophiaSharon Larnia: settled, for some, is happiness
    SophiaSharon Larnia: being fed and warm is happiness
    Aphrodite Macbain: peaceful?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that too
    Korel Laloix: I do not know if it is just from my religous education or a real definition thing, but to me, happiness is short term, moment by moment. Joy is lasting.
    Bruce Mowbray: some more words to separate: blissful, joyous, comfortable. . .
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (the list can go on!) :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: for me, bliss and joy are one end of a long continuum
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: for me, bliss and joy are transitory.
    Korel Laloix: I think though, if you try to find happiness, you will never get there.
    Aphrodite Macbain: But deep happiness, a sense of well-being, of fruition Ricard said, is true happiness
    SophiaSharon Larnia: like beauty, happiness is in the eye of the beholder
    Bruce Mowbray: agrees with Kori on that.
    Korel Laloix: If you do good things for those around, happiness will find you.
    Bruce Mowbray: The pursuit of happiness does not guarantee any results. . .
    Aphrodite Macbain: Can it be achieved by facing reality and the accepting of the impermanence of all things?
    Bruce Mowbray: Can it be "achieved" at all?
    Korel Laloix: Well, sometimes, being happy is the wrong emotion.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Having realistic expectations and beliefs
    Bruce Mowbray: I don't think that it can -- for me, anyway. . . because I can't "aim" at happiness as a goal.
    Korel Laloix: YOu need to feel outrage, sadness, anger when appropriate.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: 'the impermance of all things' for me is a vague phrase that is constantly getting unpacked (and re-packed), rinse and repeat :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Happiness is something that sort of oozes up - emerges -- when I am doing other things.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Is it the purpose of life?
    Bruce Mowbray listens.
    Bruce Mowbray: Aristotle would say that it is the purpose of life, yes.
    Bruce Mowbray: I would not.
    Korel Laloix: I agree with the idea that most things are short term.
    Korel Laloix: But I think that is a dangerous way of looking at things.
    Bruce Mowbray: (hangovers are also short term.)
    Aphrodite Macbain:  Is it respite from suffering? (Schopenhauer wrote that ‘all happiness is negative…Ultimately, satisfaction and contentment are merely the interruption of pain and privation.”)
    Bleu Oleander: hi everyone :)
    Korel Laloix: I so hope so.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Bleu!! Are you happy?
    Bruce Mowbray: Don't agree with that dude (Sxhopenhauer) either, I'm sorry.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bleu
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Bleu.
    Bleu Oleander: always happy :))
    Aphrodite Macbain: Really? Can you define that feeling
    Aphrodite Macbain: ?
    Bleu Oleander: nice question Aph ... give me a few minutes to "feel" my happiness
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Boxy :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Are you a happy doggy?
    Bleu Oleander: hey boxy
    Bruce Mowbray it when others "feel" their happiness.
    Alfred Kelberry: *clicks kitty's tail*
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Boxy dude!
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: wee! it worked :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia pictures a finger up in the air, testing happiness like the wind
    Aphrodite Macbain: When I feel happiness- which for me is a a sustained state of flourishing and contentment, I can give to others.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and yes I forgot to turn off detail
    Bleu Oleander: have you attempted to define happiness? in the context of this conversation?
    Bleu Oleander: is there more than one kind of happiness?
    Bruce Mowbray remembers "Kiss the joy as it flies" and thinks that a finger in the air to test for happiness is not far off the mark.
    Aphrodite Macbain: We are in the process Bleu. Some feel it is a temporary state, others feel it is a lasting one
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Bleu Oleander: lasting state ... nice gig if you can get it!
    Korel Laloix: I think a more basic question is if happiness is actually a good thing.
    Alfred Kelberry: i should say that i loved your happiness box, bruce. well done.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Does one have to work hard to get it or should it come naturally and easily?
    Bleu Oleander: need to define what kind of happiness we're talking about before deciding whether it is a good thing?
    Bruce Mowbray ponders Aph's statement "I can give to others," and thinks he might have too many mirror neurons.
    Korel Laloix: Probably.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Korel, there has been a theory that our various emotional states (like happiness) have evolved to help us survive.
    Korel Laloix: I know people that are very very rich... and are very very miserable.
    Korel Laloix: I have read that sort of stuff.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Happiness or joy give us energy and optimismto reach out to others
    Bleu Oleander: money does not necessarily buy happiness
    Korel Laloix: IF I had one one hundreth of their fortunes, I think it could help me be happy.
    Alfred Kelberry: kori, there are way more people who are poor and miserable :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Mattieu Ricard and many others believe happiness is obtained from within not from without.
    Korel Laloix: Actually Aphrodite, I think the exact opostie some times.
    Bruce Mowbray: With me it seems to work the other ways around, Aph.... I cannot be happy if those around me are miserable . . . which is a major problem for me when I visit New York.
    Korel Laloix: Happiness makes us apathetic.
    Alfred Kelberry: those few rich ones is an exception
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hmmm I wonder if that is happiness Korel, or simply contentment
    Bleu Oleander: I think happiness is an emergent state
    Korel Laloix: Good question.
    Wol Euler: evening all, sorry I'm late
    Bleu Oleander: hiya Wol
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Wol, don't worry, be happy
    Alfred Kelberry: woly girl :)
    Korel Laloix: But part of this discussion is definitions, so I am sort of lagging.
    Korel Laloix: Not to mention the hangover.
    Alfred Kelberry: a cloud
    Bruce Mowbray agrees with Bleu about "emergent state."
    Aphrodite Macbain: let's think about happiness in the next 90 seconds
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: That's what the theme is about Korel, "Happiness: what is it?"
    Aphrodite Macbain: and perhaps adding to that- "how can we get some?"
    Bleu Oleander: a subjective mental state?
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Wol Euler: a byproduct of being fully engaged in the moment
    Wol Euler: and becuase it *is* a byproduct, impossible to achieve by striving for it
    Wol Euler: IIMHO YMMV
    Aphrodite Macbain: Matthieu Ricard, Buddhist monk and scientist, proposes that we must first rethink our assumptions and priorities in order for us to become compassionate and happy beings.
    Korel Laloix: I think a better questions would be... what is it and how can we help others to be (happy)?
    Aphrodite Macbain: & stop thining we can ge it from outside ourselves
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods at Korel
    Alfred Kelberry: for me it's a short moment in time that happens suddenly, and then subdues, but a wonderful aftertaste remains in memory :)
    Bleu Oleander: happiness is in the connections for me
    Wol Euler nods.
    Korel Laloix: If you focus is making yourself happy, you wont, and you will make those around you unhappy.
    Korel Laloix: I see this all the time.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes, me too Korel. Happiness is then seen as dependent on owning stuff
    Wol Euler: agreed fully, korel
    SophiaSharon Larnia: happiness by not being concerned with yourself (may i say unselfish)
    Bruce Mowbray thinks Kori might also have an abundance of mirror neurons.
    Aphrodite Macbain: can you explain mirror neurons Bruce?
    Wol Euler: [13:04] Korel Laloix: If you do good things for those around, happiness will find you. <- yes!
    Aphrodite Macbain: I believe that can also lead to a more enduring happiness
    Korel Laloix: I have an abundance of painful neurons as well.
    Bruce Mowbray: Mirror neurons enable us to empathize with the feelings of others. . . as well as "feel" their behaviors.
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce, is it a fancy way of saying she's a sensitive person? :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Empathy/compassion seems to depend on them.
    Aphrodite Macbain: that is temporary Korel (if you are talking about your hangover :-))
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Bruce Mowbray: But what if one's own happiness is contingent on the happiness of others?
    Korel Laloix: Me being sensative is temporary?
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Bleu Oleander: its very subjective ... what makes one person happy isn't necessarily what makes another happy
    Aphrodite Macbain: contingent=attachment Bruce?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thats a bit of a pickle too
    Korel Laloix: But what makes on person happy, can make another's life unbearable.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, contingent implies dependency.
    Aphrodite Macbain: we can do what we can, and feel happy that we have done that
    Aphrodite Macbain: can you give an example Korel?
    Bleu Oleander: agree Korel
    Bruce Mowbray: "Let them eat cake" ???
    Korel Laloix: Just basic selfishness really.
    Bleu Oleander: exactly
    Bleu Oleander: short focus
    Aphrodite Macbain: I doubt if it leads to any form of lasting happiness
    Bleu Oleander: hard to judge
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: What I'm curiouls to know is what maintains a constant level of happiness despite all the stuff that happens
    Wol Euler: is there such a thing as constant happiness?
    Korel Laloix: And why would you want that?
    Bruce Mowbray: Is happiness accummulative? - - - So that as one goes through life, one can collect pieces of happiness and so get happier and happier?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: equinamity (another one of those forever to be unpacked words :) )
    Aphrodite Macbain: According to Mattieu Ricard, there is. (Has written a book on the subject)
    Korel Laloix: No, to me happiness is short to me.
    Korel Laloix: Joy grows.
    Bleu Oleander: lots have written books
    Bleu Oleander: everyone has a theory
    Alfred Kelberry: happiness that lasts transforms into something else
    Alfred Kelberry: you stop noticing it
    Aphrodite Macbain: Some are worth paying attention to Bleu. Ricard is one
    Bleu Oleander: find what works for you :)
    Bruce Mowbray ponders the pragmatics of happiness.
    Bleu Oleander: with no harm to others
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bleu- you said you were "always happy" when you first arrived. What did you mean by that?
    Bleu Oleander: I meant that the way I fill my days makes me happy in an elevated mode sort of way
    Aphrodite Macbain: I think for me it is being at peace with oneself
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm. . . do I do "good" things in order to be happy, or do I do good things simply because they are good?
    Bleu Oleander: not looking for bliss all the time
    Aphrodite Macbain: a state in which i can help others without getting overwhelmed or depressed
    Bleu Oleander: more like a "tint" of happiness
    Aphrodite Macbain: A tint of blue Bleu?
    Bruce Mowbray: blew?
    Alfred Kelberry: blau
    Bleu Oleander: actually colors do help
    Aphrodite Macbain: a balu tint of azure
    Korel Laloix: OH I agree.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, on a biological level they do, as do chemicals
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zen!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Zen
    Korel Laloix: Warm orangy colors make me smile.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Zen
    Alfred Kelberry: bleu has a colorful profile picture :)
    Bleu Oleander: happiness is chemistry actually
    Alfred Kelberry: zen :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Warm orangy colors are my all-time favorites.
    Aphrodite Macbain: But can happiness be reduced to its biological elements - an adequate and regular supply of cortisol or serotonin to the brain?
    Bleu Oleander: :) boxy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: agrees emphatically on that one
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    Bleu Oleander: hi Zen
    Aphrodite Macbain: which one Sophia?
    Aphrodite Macbain: A colour could make one momentarily happy but would not sustain that happiness
    Aphrodite Macbain: Think happy for 90 seconds

    Bruce Mowbray: I have to be honest now and confess that some of my happiness seems to come out of anticipation - - for example, anticipating a good vacation could help me be happier.
    Aphrodite Macbain: It appears that we each have our own personal definition of happiness
    SophiaSharon Larnia: on thinking about happiness, feels a physical warmth centering around the chest and belly, radiating outward.
    Alfred Kelberry: aph, don't think you can do that :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: do what?
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, be happy for 90 sec... go! :)
    Bruce Mowbray: think happiness fo 90 secs.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Lumi.
    Lumi Michinaga: hello friends
    Zen Arado: Hi Lumi :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-) try meditating on it for 30 minutes boxy!
    Bleu Oleander: hi Lumi
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Lumi, welcome
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Lumi
    Wol Euler: hello lumi, zen
    Aphrodite Macbain: We are discussing the meaning of happiness in our lives
    Wol Euler is distracted, sorry.
    Lumi Michinaga: this is the most interesting issue right now lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: Zen, what would your Zen perspective bring to this discussion?
    Zen Arado: what is happness ?
    Bleu Oleander: did we define what kind of happiness we're talking about?
    Zen Arado: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Can we achieve long term happiness and if so, how
    Alfred Kelberry: bleu, what kinds are there?
    Bleu Oleander: coffee chip gelato makes me happy
    Zen Arado: contentedness? joy? euphoria?
    Bleu Oleander: eudaimonia
    Aphrodite Macbain: Long term short term, different shades of it (joy, bliss, peace, contententment)
    Alfred Kelberry: bleu, ah food! it's a good source of happy moments :)
    Zen Arado: lack of depression?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: um what? ... looks up eudaimonia
    Zen Arado: is it temporary or long lasting?
    Aphrodite Macbain: that is a temporary exterior form of creature comfort. but surely not happiness
    Bleu Oleander: an active life of reason and virtue
    Bleu Oleander: Aristotle
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, thanks :D
    Zen Arado: pleasure?
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods in agreement to all of them.
    Alfred Kelberry: grees too
    Lumi Michinaga: I think the best happiness is the continuous one
    Aphrodite Macbain: to active life etc
    Bleu Oleander: flourishing?
    Bleu Oleander: fullfillment?
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes. and it comes from within ourselves not from without
    Bruce Mowbray: Better to be an unhappy person than a happy pig?
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes bleu
    Zen Arado: lack of unhappiness
    Alfred Kelberry: lumi, how do you distinguish it if you live in constant happiness?
    Zen Arado: our natural state?
    Aphrodite Macbain: a sustained state of flourishing and contentment
    Zen Arado: ha ha Bruce
    Bleu Oleander: living the good life
    Zen Arado: JS Mill
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers, Mill, indeed*
    Alfred Kelberry: imagine constant orgasms. in a while it gets dull, i guess :)
    Zen Arado: is it our natural state if we remove causes of unhappiness?
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmm.. Worth giving a try, though, Boxy.
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce, you get tired faster :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: was reading about eudaimonia and then came back to boxy's line. No one can say this group is dull
    Bleu Oleander: how could you remove all causes of unhappiness?
    Bleu Oleander: and retain your humanity?
    Bruce Mowbray: yeah. . . best to aim for sublimation, I guess.
    Bruce Mowbray: Maybe that's what brings happiness: sublimation.
    Zen Arado: but as an aim Bleu?
    Bruce Mowbray: Freud says the opposite, though.
    Zen Arado: removal of suffering
    Bleu Oleander: if that's your aim and it's unacheivable how could you hope for happiness?
    Aphrodite Macbain: all causes of unhappiness is wanting and grasping and dependency on stuff from the outside world
    Alfred Kelberry: suffering is good in small dozes for balance
    Bruce Mowbray agrees with Zen: I am happier if I can alleviate suffering wherever I find it.
    Alfred Kelberry: like spilling tea on your shirt
    Alfred Kelberry: can lead to new adventures
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods, yes but in order to be able to do that, I need to be happy and love myself
    Zen Arado: it's only a concept
    Wol Euler: finding true love in the laundromat
    Alfred Kelberry: woly :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Bleu Oleander: love it when my whites get white :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: That will be the title of the log Wol!!
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, bad luck can be a prelude for happiness
    Zen Arado: is romantic love happiness?
    Bruce Mowbray: spin cycle. . . . dizzy.
    Wol Euler: hehehe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so if you didn't suffer, you wouldnt know what happiness is?
    Zen Arado: only temporary?
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, sharon
    Aphrodite Macbain: what is the cause of suffering?
    Zen Arado: need opposites
    Zen Arado: form and emptiness
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah! duality explained
    SophiaSharon Larnia: kidding
    Bleu Oleander: many causes of suffering
    Aphrodite Macbain: attachment says the Buddha
    Alfred Kelberry: when you note differences, categorization groups them nicely in your mind
    Bleu Oleander: Buddha had some answers perhaps mostly for Buddha though
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i like John Lennon's quote I saw someone posted on FB
    Bruce Mowbray: Buddha would agree withy Boxy on that one.
    Aphrodite Macbain: listens
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce :)
    Bruce Mowbray also listens.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: “When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life.”
    Wol Euler laughs.
    Wol Euler: nice
    Zen Arado: a man asked the Buddha 'I want happiness'. The Buddha said 'remove 'I' ( leads to ego), remove want..(leads to desires), what is left? Happiness
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i thought so too
    Bruce Mowbray: Good quote!
    Bruce Mowbray: 2 good quotes!
    Bleu Oleander: I would say life is the key to happiness
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (re: both quotes)
    Aphrodite Macbain: smiles at Zen. Nice. Is that possible though Zen?
    Aphrodite Macbain: grins at Bleu
    Wol Euler still thinks happiness is a byproduct of being fully engaged in doing worthwhile things :)
    Bleu Oleander: remove "I" and there would be no one to be happy
    Alfred Kelberry: good one
    Zen Arado: I see it as substracting things that cause me unhappiness
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, that seems to be when you dont think about being happy, it is a state of what you are
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- which gives one a feeling of accomplishment and focuses our attention away from ourselves and our needs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: without thought
    Zen Arado: or seeing through illusions of pleasure promised
    Aphrodite Macbain: now we're getting somewhere
    Aphrodite Macbain: It is a life-long project
    Wol Euler: one way to become happy that works fairly reliably, is to make somebody else happy :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Tonglen has magic happiness potion built in -- paradoxically.
    Aphrodite Macbain: 90 seconds
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwqlurCvXuM
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (brb)
    Bleu Oleander: life is a life-long project ... happiness is an emergent state ... pops up when you least expect it :)
    Bruce Mowbray: sry, Aph.
    Bruce Mowbray: Happiness is what emerges when you're doing other things. . . .
    Alfred Kelberry: do you think vacation time is a search for happiness?
    Bleu Oleander: or R&R?
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes Boxy
    Lumi Michinaga: no is a part of happiness
    Bruce Mowbray: Hope is also a search for happiness and a part of happiness.
    Wol Euler: I think that searching for happiness is what makes vacation stressful for many people
    Aphrodite Macbain: seach for escape  doesn't necessarily lead to happiness
    Bleu Oleander: :) Wol
    Zen Arado: yes and a distraction from present
    Lumi Michinaga: hehe yes Wol
    Alfred Kelberry: i can rather easily recreate a moment of happiness travling certain places
    Wol Euler: expectation precludes happiness
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: meeting expectations is a hard thing
    Lumi Michinaga: can you tell me a moment of hapiness from your life?
    Bruce Mowbray agrees about 'expectation' but how about anticipation?
    Aphrodite Macbain: one is often disappointed
    Aphrodite Macbain: I gather we are happier in looking forward to something than having it
    Bruce Mowbray: sometimes yes, Aph.
    Aphrodite Macbain: we are designed to secrete pleasure hormones when we anticipate something
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: like salivating
    Lumi Michinaga: hehe
    Bruce Mowbray: Important not to cling to expectations when the actual experiences comes.
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: agreed
    Aphrodite Macbain: part of the attachment category- expecting things from the outside
    Wol Euler: I just found a memory of a moment of happiness, from a holiday oddly enough :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: listens
    Bruce Mowbray: When Boxy's nose flies by, kiss it.
    Aphrodite Macbain: where did you find it Wol?
    Alfred Kelberry: *notes lumi's question: can you tell me a moment of hapiness from your life?*
    Lumi Michinaga: ◕‿◕
    Wol Euler: sitting with friends in a wine bar in Venice, on a pavement outside the shop. Warm day, sunny, but we were in shadow; looking across the canal at brightly lit houses. The conversation stilled for a moment and we all took a sip of our lovely white wine, and smiled at each other.
    Aphrodite Macbain: watching my 18 month old niece dance
    Zen Arado: mmmm greaat Wol
    Aphrodite Macbain: watching my cat play
    Lumi Michinaga: good moment
    Alfred Kelberry: *hugs woly and shares this moment*
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Bruce Mowbray: Wol's memory brings me happiness.
    Alfred Kelberry: aph :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Can we do that again Woly? (Cafe in Venice)

    Wol Euler: another one?
    Wol Euler: hello xir
    Bruce Mowbray: oh yes.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes please
    Alfred Kelberry: woly, do you remember the bar? :)

    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Xir.
    Zen Arado: Hi Xirana :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Xirana. We're talking about what makes us happy
    Lumi Michinaga: hi xirana
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Xirana
    Xirana Oximoxi: hello everyone:)

    Wol Euler: in venice? yes, I could guide us there
    Lumi Michinaga: how are you
    Alfred Kelberry: cool
    Bleu Oleander: hi Xirana :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: being here sometimes, stepping off the hurly burly
    Aphrodite Macbain: OK Woly
    Aphrodite Macbain: please guide us
    Bleu Oleander: have to go .... session has given me happy thoughts to take to rl ... thanks everyone :)
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Zen Arado: if you were content there wouldn't be special moments?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Bleu
    Wol Euler: bye bleu, take care
    Wol Euler: find happiness
    Bleu Oleander: take care and be happy
    Bruce Mowbray: bye bye Bleu.
    Wol Euler: but don't go looking for it
    Zen Arado: all life would be happy?

    Lumi Michinaga: bye Bleu ◕‿◕
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Bleu- be happy!
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye Bleu!!!
    Zen Arado: bye Bleu

    Xirana Oximoxi: Lumi!!! :-)

    Lumi Michinaga: hola xirana
    Lumi Michinaga: glad to meet you
    Aphrodite Macbain: Happiness is meeting old friends and new
    Xirana Oximoxi: I love to find people I know at other places .. and we meet in different ones :)
    Lumi Michinaga: yes with open mind
    Zen Arado: anecdotal happiness :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Happiness is balanced sharing.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes
    Zen Arado: are we happy in this moment?
    Lumi Michinaga: in Universe there are links for all of us to the hapiness
    Aphrodite Macbain: Happiness is not expecting anything from others except their happiness
    Lumi Michinaga: happiness is giving to others and not thinking of you
    Bruce Mowbray: Happiness is seeing that everything is connected.
    Aphrodite Macbain: why would that make you happy bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: My happiness is seeing that "light" coming through everything.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Schopenhauer wrote that ‘all happiness is negative…Ultimately, satisfaction and contentment are merely the interruption of pain and privation.”
    Aphrodite Macbain: what do you think of that!?
    Bruce Mowbray: well, poo on him!
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hah
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Aphrodite Macbain: I know some people who believe depression is the most realistic state to be in
    Bruce Mowbray: He also thought that WILL rules. . . and he got that one wrong too.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: depressive realism is the term, i think
    Aphrodite Macbain: and happiness is the occasional relief from that perception
    Aphrodite Macbain: really Sophia?
    Bruce Mowbray: Depression is an anesthetic.
    Wol Euler: ((is Bertram hosting a meditation session this evening?))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: uhhuj
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oops i mean yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes. In fact right now
    Bruce Mowbray: I hope so, Wol.
    Aphrodite Macbain: So anyone who wants to go should go now or arrive in the middle
    Bruce Mowbray: Wow! THANK YOU APHRODITE!!! and everyone who came here today!!
    Aphrodite Macbain whispers. Thank you all for your contributions
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye Bruce :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: there is a physical component, quite strong, i believe. We havent really touched on that and frankly im not sure how usful that is :)
    Zen Arado: I have to go to Bert's meditation
    Lumi Michinaga: thanks for let me join the discussion
    Aphrodite Macbain: May all beings be happy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Bruce ntsy
    Zen Arado: thanks Aph ad everyone
    Wol Euler: great session, my dears, thank you all
    Wol Euler: bye! take care
    Korel Laloix: CIao all.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye!
    Zen Arado: byee
    Alfred Kelberry: poof
    Lumi Michinaga: byebye
    Xirana Oximoxi: I will read it later..I've missed it
    Xirana Oximoxi: byebye
    SophiaSharon Larnia: have fun all :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you Aphrodite :))
    Aphrodite Macbain: I think Ill go too
    Xirana Oximoxi: meditate well :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! all
    Lumi Michinaga: byebye
    Lumi Michinaga: see you
    Xirana Oximoxi: see you :)
    Alfred Kelberry: xiri :)
    Alfred Kelberry: you and me now
    Alfred Kelberry: purr
    Xirana Oximoxi: boxi! :))
    Alfred Kelberry: *hugs* :)

    Xirana Oximoxi: hugs you :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hehe

    Alfred Kelberry: how's your gallery?
    Xirana Oximoxi: ahhh I have not put you up to date:)
    Xirana Oximoxi: a new place:)
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, nice :)
    Alfred Kelberry: what lm?
    Xirana Oximoxi: want to come?..Zen will have a place there too:)
    Alfred Kelberry: yep
    Alfred Kelberry: let's go see it
    Xirana Oximoxi: we go to see?
    Xirana Oximoxi: ok!


    Additional viewing materia; from those who could not make it to this discussion.

    From Eliza:      http://bit.ly/wkIGKB

    From Pema:     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsDFxmbjZ7I


    From Storm:     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDSAAlrqAHM

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