2012.02.08 13:00 - Can a State of Being be Acquired?

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    [13:04] Fefonz Quan: Hello rasima
    [13:04] Rasima Petrovic: how are you?
    [13:04] Fefonz Quan: I'mm good, and you/
    [13:04] Fefonz Quan: ?
    [13:05] Rasima Petrovic: I'm very well =)
    [13:05] Rasima Petrovic: are you starting a session? =)
    [13:05] Fefonz Quan: Since we haven't meet yet, i am oliged to ask if it is your first time here
    [13:05] Rasima Petrovic: nope, it's not my first time =)
    [13:05] Fefonz Quan: Yes i do :)
    [13:06] Rasima Petrovic: but I haven't been here in a while
    [13:06] Fefonz Quan: good!

    [13:06] Rasima Petrovic: so, what's the topic?
    [13:07] Fefonz Quan: well, not every session have a predefined topic, would you llike to suggest one?
    [13:08] Rasima Petrovic: hmmm.. I'm okay with you beginning with one
    [13:10] Fefonz Quan: well, the topic of happines was around lately, we can start with that
    [13:10] Rasima Petrovic: sure!
    [13:11] Rasima Petrovic: i guess, is happiness something to be acquired, or is it a state of being?

    [13:12] Fefonz Quan: or, can a state of being be acquired?
    [13:12] Rasima Petrovic: good point =)

    [13:12] Rasima Petrovic: Maybe that's why people think, moving up in social class, or having more money, or getting married will mean being happy
    [13:13] Rasima Petrovic: It will change their state of being
    [13:13] Fefonz Quan: not always. the state of being is seldom defined only by environmental conditions
    [13:15] Fefonz Quan: though "acquiring" does come to mind in that sense (money/class/wife)
    [13:15] Rasima Petrovic: yes
    [13:15] Rasima Petrovic: or husband, for most girls

    [13:15] Rasima Petrovic: we're taught marriage = happiness
    [13:15] Rasima Petrovic: from a very young age
    [13:16] Rasima Petrovic: but some of the happiest people I've met aren't the most wealthy
    [13:17] Rasima Petrovic: they tend to not be the most ambitious either
    [13:17] Rasima Petrovic: they don't seem to let problems affect them as much
    [13:17] Fefonz Quan: and some of them are monks, hence unmarried :)
    [13:17] Rasima Petrovic: ahaha =)
    [13:17] Rasima Petrovic: good point
    [13:21] Fefonz Quan: yes, this young age teaching seem very conservative and, in fact, not true
    [13:21] Rasima Petrovic: oh?
    [13:22] Fefonz Quan: [13:15] Rasima Petrovic: we're taught marriage = happiness [13:15] Rasima Petrovic: from a very young age
    [13:22] Rasima Petrovic: oh, yes, yes
    [13:22] Fefonz Quan: if I recall, indeed statistics show that married people are slightly (reporting to be) happier than singles
    [13:23] Rasima Petrovic: yeah
    [13:23] Rasima Petrovic: biased self-reporting though
    [13:23] Rasima Petrovic: most marriages don't last very long

    [13:23] Fefonz Quan: but I would say this slight difference can be the consequence of the misleading education
    [13:24] Fefonz Quan: and the society (differs in different countries though) treat singles with more pressure than married people
    [13:24] Rasima Petrovic: a lot of people don't want to believe they've married the wrong person, or are seriously unhappy in the marriage, until divorce comes up
    [13:25] Rasima Petrovic: love blinds, and people want to protect their faith in their own ability to make decisions.

    [13:25] Fefonz Quan: yes, and many singles could be much happier if everyone around them (and their monms) would stop nagging about when will they get marred
    [13:26] Rasima Petrovic: yeah

    [13:26] Rasima Petrovic: single people can get very lonely and long for a partner, but they often forget that married people are just as lonely
    [13:27] Fefonz Quan: I do believe good marriage reduce the loneliness considerably. Yet some people (me included) ppreciate alone times very much
    [13:27] Rasima Petrovic: yes I agree
    [13:28] Fefonz Quan: so - this is a good example where "happiness" is affected harshly by societies expectation and prujadices
    [13:29] Rasima Petrovic: yes
    [13:29] Fefonz Quan: society's
    [13:29] Rasima Petrovic: i'll be back in a second, i need to check on something =3

    [13:29] Wol Euler: hello fef
    [13:30] Fefonz Quan: Hey Wol, waiting for your clothes to manifest :)
    [13:31] Agatha Macbeth: Shalom Fonzie
    [13:31] Fefonz Quan: Hey Aga!
    [13:32] Agatha Macbeth: Quite a turn out tonight :p
    [13:32] Wol Euler: how#s the family?
    [13:32] Fefonz Quan: (turn out?)
    [13:32] Agatha Macbeth: crowd...
    [13:32] Wol Euler: lots of people came :)
    [13:32] Agatha Macbeth: Hehe

    [13:33] Fefonz Quan: Wel, just before you came I was talking to a new lady I hav'nt meet here before
    [13:34] Agatha Macbeth: Interesting
    [13:34] Fefonz Quan: And I have to say, both your dresses here are impressive
    [13:34] Wol Euler: I hope we didn't scare her away
    [13:34] Agatha Macbeth: Why thank you :)
    [13:34] Wol Euler: thank you :)

    [13:35] Fefonz Quan: Wol's is so airy and delicate, and Aga's has a most beutiful color

    [13:35] Agatha Macbeth: Wol can be pretty scary, agreed
    [13:35] Wol Euler: :-P
    [13:36] Fefonz Quan: In fact, your entrance and her departure were so tuned that I immediately suspected a shift...
    [13:36] Wol Euler: heheheh
    [13:36] Agatha Macbeth: Aha
    [13:37] Agatha Macbeth: A red shift perhaps?
    [13:37] Wol Euler looks around innocently
    [13:37] Wol Euler: blue-green in your case
    [13:37] Agatha Macbeth: Well, true
    [13:37] Fefonz Quan: well, it wasn't that fast :)
    [13:38] Agatha Macbeth: I see Eliza Zen and Aph on, maybe they're at another meeting
    [13:38] Wol Euler: working group perhaps?

    [13:39] Fefonz Quan: Aha, the PaB alternate underground

    [13:39] Agatha Macbeth: Nope, wrong night
    [13:39] Agatha Macbeth: and wrong time
    [13:39] Fefonz Quan: maybe 2 wrongs cancel each other?
    [13:39] Agatha Macbeth: Could be :p
    [13:40] Agatha Macbeth: Makes you wonder what PaBers get up to when they are not here...
    [13:40] Wol Euler grins.
    [13:40] Fefonz Quan: well, I get up to calm the baby down...
    [13:40] Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    [13:40] Wol Euler: awwwww <3
    [13:40] Agatha Macbeth remembers the feeling
    [13:41] Wol Euler: give my regards to the family, fef!
    [13:41] Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    [13:41] Fefonz Quan: sure :)

    [13:42] Fefonz Quan: talking about pabers not here - where did the discussion regarding the RL events get?
    [13:42] Wol Euler: nowhere conclusive, I fear
    [13:42] Wol Euler: seems to have driven into the sand and got stuck there
    [13:42] Agatha Macbeth reaches for a shovel
    [13:43] Fefonz Quan: I really miss the RL retreats I've participated in
    [13:43] Wol Euler nods.
    [13:44] Agatha Macbeth: Actually the whole retreat thing seems to have ground down just lately
    [13:44] Fefonz Quan: what do you mean Aga?
    [13:44] Agatha Macbeth: Well, just not so many as there used to be
    [13:45] Agatha Macbeth: and seemingly more confusion as to their form
    [13:45] Fefonz Quan: yes, I know. not that I could attend much lately
    [13:47] Fefonz Quan: I thought the confusion was more related to names and definitions than to form itself
    [13:47] Agatha Macbeth: Well I'm not really sure
    [13:48] Agatha Macbeth: Probably finances have a lot to do with it
    [13:48] Fefonz Quan: yes, of course
    [13:48] Fefonz Quan: brb

    [13:48] Wol Euler: I'd like to think that renaming them might bring in hordes of curious people, but I'm somewhat skeptical
    [13:48] Agatha Macbeth: Yes, agreed
    [13:49] Agatha Macbeth: 'What's in a name'?
    [13:49] Wol Euler: a copyright-infringement lawsuit?
    [13:49] Agatha Macbeth: Very possibly
    [13:49] Wol Euler: "freedom fries"
    [13:50] Agatha Macbeth: What do they taste like?
    [13:50] Wol Euler: never tried them :)
    [13:50] Wol Euler:probably very much like french fries, but without the moral discomfort
    [13:50] Wol Euler smiles.
    [13:50] Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    [13:50] Agatha Macbeth: Might go well with a big mac

    [13:51] Wol Euler: well, yeah, you wouldn't want to change your habits or anything
    [13:51] Fefonz Quan: back
    [13:51] Agatha Macbeth: wb
    [13:51] Wol Euler: not just because of a little moral discomfort
    [13:51] Wol Euler: wb
    [13:52] Fefonz Quan: well, here we call them "chips" anyway :)
    [13:52] Wol Euler: :)
    [13:52] Agatha Macbeth: Wow, so do we :)
    [13:53] Wol Euler's mouth waters as she remembers fish and chips.
    [13:53] Agatha Macbeth nods
    [13:53] Agatha Macbeth: That reminds me, I must have some fish soon, been ages since I last ate any
    [13:54] Wol Euler nods.

    [13:54] Wol Euler: you'll lose your British passport if you don't eat fish!
    [13:54] Agatha Macbeth: Erk
    [13:54] Fefonz Quan: the near sushi place can solve that issue
    [13:54] Agatha Macbeth: Sushi - yum
    [13:54] Agatha Macbeth: I love sea food
    [13:54] Wol Euler: mmmmm :)
    [13:55] Agatha Macbeth: I actually tried squid once in Sardinia
    [13:55] Agatha Macbeth: very nice
    [13:55] Fefonz Quan: and I in korea. it was delicious (and spicy!)
    [13:56] Agatha Macbeth: Ah, this wasn't spicy, but it was nice
    [13:57] Fefonz Quan holds back strongly not to say something on Sardines in Squdina)
    [13:57] Wol Euler: :)
    [13:57] Agatha Macbeth: Sounds fishy to me
    [13:57] Fefonz Quan: hehe :)

    [13:58] Fefonz Quan: one of the nicest little thing I cook is fried sardines filled with pesto
    [13:58] Agatha Macbeth: Ooh, that sounds nice
    [13:58] Wol Euler: ooooh
    [13:59] Agatha Macbeth: Ooh x 2
    [13:59] Fefonz Quan: the home-mde pesto is what makes it good
    [13:59] Agatha Macbeth nods
    [14:01] Agatha Macbeth: Home made usually is good
    [14:02] Fefonz Quan: And so i come with a suggestion for a future topic here: Food, Being and happiness
    [14:03] Wol Euler: great :)
    [14:03] Agatha Macbeth: Well I can certainly equate food with happiness :)
    [14:03] Wol Euler: agreed
    [14:03] Fefonz Quan: and then, of course, not every food

    [14:04] Agatha Macbeth: Actually, there are very few foods I don't like
    [14:04] Agatha Macbeth: off the top, I can't think of any
    [14:04] Wol Euler: bananas, brussels sprouts
    [14:05] Agatha Macbeth: I even like sprouts
    [14:05] Wol Euler: (hate them)
    [14:05] Wol Euler: wow
    [14:05] Agatha Macbeth: yes

    [14:05] Fefonz Quan: Well, you should go visit some universities Cafeteria's to start with :)
    [14:05] Agatha Macbeth: Mm, can't be any worse than British Rail
    [14:05] Wol Euler: that was pretty awful, yes
    [14:05] Fefonz Quan: I don't like Banana's mostly when they spoil other dishes (like salad and cakes)
    [14:06] Wol Euler: but the bus station canteen in Brandon, Manitoba is worse.
    [14:06] Agatha Macbeth: You could beat somebody to death with one of their sandwiches
    [14:06] Fefonz Quan: hehe, remind me of a joke I once heard
    [14:06] Wol Euler: oh that's an improvement :) they used to keep them fresh by pouring water over them
    [14:06] Agatha Macbeth: Fire away Fonz
    [14:07] Fefonz Quan: It was regarding a certain Pizza place where you could cut the pizza plate only if you had a pizza slice in your hand, thtat's how hard it was
    [14:08] Agatha Macbeth: Good grief
    [14:08] Wol Euler: heheh
    [14:08] Fefonz Quan: (something like diamonds, the Pizza version)
    [14:08] Agatha Macbeth: Funnily enough, pizza is one of my least favourites
    [14:10] Fefonz Quan: Wol, what are you trying to do with that cone?
    [14:10] Agatha Macbeth: Is Boxy hiding around here?
    [14:10] Wol Euler: sorry, testing something that people were puzzling about in a scripting group
    [14:10] Wol Euler: I got curious :)

    [14:11] Agatha Macbeth: Looks like Fonz is set to become a wizard :p
    [14:11] Fefonz Quan: ?
    [14:11] Wol Euler: well we all knew that :)
    [14:11] Agatha Macbeth: You have a cone above your head
    [14:11] Fefonz Quan: not from where I see it?
    [14:11] Fefonz Quan: :)
    [14:12] Wol Euler: optical illusion
    [14:12] Agatha Macbeth: Wol is messing about
    [14:12] Fefonz Quan: And anyway, even in this case I am more likely to become a clown
    [14:12] Agatha Macbeth: Now I see it behind us
    [14:12] Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    [14:13] Wol Euler: :)
    [14:13] Agatha Macbeth: 'Tears of a clown'
    [14:13] Fefonz Quan: That's when the clown is sitting on the cone ;-)

    [14:13] Agatha Macbeth: Imaginative to call it 'object' :p
    [14:14] Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
    [14:14] Wol Euler snorts.
    [14:14] Wol Euler: it's about the script, not the prim
    [14:14] Agatha Macbeth: Should it not be 'wolcone' or something
    [14:14] Fefonz Quan guess the technobubble is m que here
    [14:15] Fefonz Quan: good night folks
    [14:15] Wol Euler: goodnight fef, take care
    [14:15] Agatha Macbeth: Bye Fonz, take care
    [14:15] Fefonz Quan: a pleasure to have you here, as always
    [14:15] Agatha Macbeth: A pleasure to be here dear
    [14:16] Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
    [14:16] Wol Euler: :)
    [14:16] Agatha Macbeth: and have a nice quiet chat :)

    [14:16] Agatha Macbeth: It amazes me that Ade's pillows are still here
    [14:17] Wol Euler smiles.
    [14:17] Wol Euler: they become part of the setting, taken for granted
    [14:17] Agatha Macbeth: truly
    [14:17] Wol Euler: fael's pink flower on the fountain too
    [14:17] Agatha Macbeth: Yes :(
    [14:17] Wol Euler: plus, only she or storm could remove them

    [14:17] Agatha Macbeth: I think everyone is happier they are still here
    [14:18] Wol Euler nods.
    [14:18] Agatha Macbeth: So what's with the cone?
    [14:18] Wol Euler: well, the story is this: somebody posted a strange observation in the scripting group
    [14:18] Wol Euler: asked whether anyone else had seen it
    [14:19] Wol Euler: given a script that listens to local chat, and plays back what it heard when clicked
    [14:19] Wol Euler: if the owner sets that script to "not running" i.e. dead
    [14:19] Wol Euler: then after a while restarts it
    [14:19] Wol Euler: it will play back what was said while it was allegedly dead
    [14:19] Wol Euler: and that is true, it works.
    [14:19] Wol Euler: amazing.
    [14:19] Agatha Macbeth: Ah

    [14:20] Agatha Macbeth: Does the Listener do that?
    [14:21] Wol Euler: no, but only because the individual listener prims delete themselves when we leave the playgoda
    [14:21] Agatha Macbeth: Ok
    [14:21] Wol Euler: actually, that's a different issue. that script never gets turned off
    [14:22] Agatha Macbeth: I just hit ctrl-alt-t and can now see them :p
    [14:22] Wol Euler: :)
    [14:22] Agatha Macbeth: Are you on the new Firestorm yet?
    [14:23] Wol Euler: no, didn't have time to download that, I was already late logging in
    [14:23] Wol Euler: I'll get that aftewards, let it download overnight
    [14:23] Agatha Macbeth: To be honest, I don't notice a lot of difference
    [14:24] Agatha Macbeth: I was watching Jessica lyon talkin about it on youtube
    [14:24] Wol Euler: ah :)
    [14:24] Agatha Macbeth: All a bit techy for me tho

    [14:25] Agatha Macbeth: Oh, Immersiva is back up :)
    [14:25] Wol Euler: indeed!
    [14:25] Wol Euler: so I hear
    [14:26] Agatha Macbeth: Have you seen it yet?
    [14:26] Wol Euler: no
    [14:26] Wol Euler: not yet
    [14:26] Agatha Macbeth: Wanna take a look?
    [14:26] Wol Euler: not tonight, too tired
    [14:26] Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    [14:26] Wol Euler: tomorrow maybe
    [14:26] Agatha Macbeth: Ok
    [14:26] Wol Euler: it's been a hard week
    [14:26] Agatha Macbeth hugs you
    [14:26] Wol Euler smiles and hugs back. thank you
    [14:26] Agatha Macbeth: So I gathered from your tweets!
    [14:27] Wol Euler smiles.
    [14:27] Agatha Macbeth grins
    [14:27] Wol Euler: I had a half-day off today, at least
    [14:27] Agatha Macbeth: Every little helps

    [14:28] Wol Euler: had a nice lunch, then sat with a friend and translated a piece about her art projects into English
    [14:28] Wol Euler: actually improved an existing translation
    [14:28] Wol Euler: still took over 2 hrs for 3.5 pages
    [14:28] Agatha Macbeth: Oh, great
    [14:28] Wol Euler: it was fun, in a certain way
    [14:28] Agatha Macbeth: I can imagine
    [14:29] Agatha Macbeth: You want to get off to bed then?

    [14:29] Wol Euler: perhaps listen to some music with eliza and zen and sun?
    [14:29] Wol Euler: for a short while?
    [14:29] Agatha Macbeth: Oh, ok

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