2012.02.10 01:00 - Grumbling

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    Wol Euler was guardian for this session.


    Alfred Kelberry: wow
    Wol Euler: good morning, boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: fancy chinese doll?
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Alfred Kelberry: except, the sit animation is wrong
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: seen the driveway? :)
    Wol Euler: ?
    Alfred Kelberry: check your email :P
    Wol Euler: ah
    Wol Euler: hehehehhe
    Wol Euler: serves them right for not employing an architect :)
    Alfred Kelberry: maybe there was one, but his excel calculation was wrong :)
    Wol Euler: possible but unlikely, for financial reasons
    Alfred Kelberry: cool hat, btw
    Wol Euler: that's a brand new subdivision, all new houses in an all new area
    Wol Euler: in North America such things are always built as complete units, speculative ventures by a single developer
    Alfred Kelberry: oh
    Wol Euler: they have a pattern book of standard types, they build 3 of type A, then 4 of type B ...
    Alfred Kelberry: wow
    Alfred Kelberry: impressive :)
    Wol Euler: there was an architect to design those types, but that was probably fifteen years ago and two hundred miles away
    Wol Euler: still, *someone* should have noticed
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: i'm going to send you more pictures like this. love your analysis :)
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Alfred Kelberry: i assume you did take part in the booming construction before the 2008 crisis?
    Wol Euler: indeed, we lived quite well from it, while it lasted
    Wol Euler: and while our prime customer was in business
    Alfred Kelberry: by my rough calculations you should own at least 2 yachts and 5 houses


    Wol Euler smiles. You have a somewhat romanticized idea of architects :) Too many films.
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, i suppose not much like the wall street folks
    Alfred Kelberry: which sucks
    Wol Euler: nope :)
    Wol Euler: yep :)
    Wol Euler: there are millionaire architects, sure; but they tend to be the very old owners of huge firms that were very successful 30 years ago
    Wol Euler: Sir Norman Foster, for example
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, the sir
    Wol Euler: yep
    Alfred Kelberry: you should start a company too
    Wol Euler: too late
    Wol Euler: well, I do intend to live a very long time, and to die at my desk, so perhaps it isn't
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Wol Euler: but the thing that made Foster rich and famous was his talent and hard work, and his Jobs-like ability to be a bastard to people who worked for him
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, that
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Alfred Kelberry: i suppose it comes with the package
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: his dedication to a perfect concept came at the human cost of 80 hour workweeks for low wages for his staff
    Alfred Kelberry: that's all good, but the real feat is to get a massive bailout and then pay yourself a multi-million bonus
    Wol Euler: yep
    Wol Euler: which architects cannot do, sadly
    Alfred Kelberry: yea
    Wol Euler: giving government money to poor people is socialism! it's a bad thing.
    Wol Euler: giving government money to rich people is the market forces working as they should :)
    Wol Euler: QED
    Alfred Kelberry: kudos to canada though
    Wol Euler: for dropping out of the Kyoto protocoll?
    Alfred Kelberry: conservative approach to banking worked
    Wol Euler: ah, that :)
    Wol Euler: I think it was more innate natural caution than any thought-out plan
    Alfred Kelberry: i think it's culture
    Alfred Kelberry: in that sense, i can emphasize another country that did well - germany
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: there is a similarity, yes
    Alfred Kelberry: i hope the occupy movement will change the wall street mindset, but highly doubt it
    Wol Euler: unlikely, in my view, because they are ignorant uninformed peasants motivated solely by jealousy
    Alfred Kelberry: it's clear that the current condition is toxic
    Wol Euler: (the mindset :)
    Wol Euler: yes, it is, but that is only clear to those who are not inside it
    Wol Euler: from inside it probably looks like paradise
    Wol Euler: "jam today, jam tomorrow, what could be bad?"
    Alfred Kelberry: that's how they presented it, yet i think they were all well aware of what they're doing
    Wol Euler: sure, but htey were doing it to us, not to themselves. Point me at one single person who quit in protest
    Wol Euler: they were delighted to take huge bonuses for poisoning the world's economy
    Alfred Kelberry: i recall one guy shot himself during the enron scandal. that's about it.
    Wol Euler: it went on for years, boxy. they kept on going back to work and throwing more shit into the system, day after day, year after year
    Alfred Kelberry: yes
    Alfred Kelberry: the saddest thing is that you really can't let them all fail
    Wol Euler: because ... ?
    Wol Euler: okay, wait, the banks as institutions probably do have to be saved


    Alfred Kelberry: it'll be the cleansing that will bring down the credit system
    Wol Euler: but let's fire every last bastard in them, and sue everyone who took part in the scam
    Alfred Kelberry: agreed
    Wol Euler: every penny of bailout money that was used for bonuses (and I do NOT give a shit how "bonus" is defined) MUST be paid back, with penalties
    Wol Euler: personal and corporate
    Alfred Kelberry: yep
    Alfred Kelberry: good plan :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: I found a statistic somewhere, that the hourly wage of American factory workers increased by ten cents between 1970 and 2010. The hourly wage of factory owners increased by 14000 dollars.
    Wol Euler: that is unjust, and probably unsustainable
    Alfred Kelberry: wow
    Wol Euler: unfortunately it seems like a kind of tragedy of the commons at work
    Alfred Kelberry: well, if you ask me, by the damage that the wall street kings caused to people, i'd put them through spanish inquisition first
    Wol Euler: agreed :)


    Having exhausted our bile, we paused for a moment or two.

    Alfred Kelberry: um...
    Alfred Kelberry: no one's coming, i guess
    Wol Euler: to what?
    Alfred Kelberry: session
    Wol Euler: we are here.
    Alfred Kelberry: yep
    Wol Euler: heheheheheh
    Alfred Kelberry: first, it was just the circle. rotation was suggested by stev :)
    Wol Euler: for the log: boxy has rezzed a faintly glowing red ring outside the cushions, we are sitting on it and rotating slowly around the fountain
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, it's been covered in the logs a few times already :)
    Wol Euler: ah
    Alfred Kelberry: i think
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: it was 1 rpm, which seemed a bit fast, so now it's 0.5 rpm
    Wol Euler: this is about right, I feel
    Wol Euler: maybe even a little slower
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, after the pause, we'll try the boost mode :)
    Alfred Kelberry: never been done before
    Wol Euler grins.
    Alfred Kelberry: :)


    Alfred Kelberry: ok...
    Wol Euler grins and holds on tight.
    Alfred Kelberry: level 1
    Wol Euler: wheeeeee
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: level 2
    Wol Euler notes her hair and whips trailing behind
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: level 3
    Alfred Kelberry: level 4! :)
    Wol Euler: O.O
    Wol Euler: this is now faster than my frame rate :)
    Wol Euler: seeing a jumping-effect
    Wol Euler: gah!
    Alfred Kelberry: haha
    Wol Euler: stop!!
    Alfred Kelberry: level 5
    Alfred Kelberry: special relativity effects are visible :)
    Wol Euler: indeed
    Alfred Kelberry: level 0
    Alfred Kelberry: ommm
    Wol Euler: much better!
    Wol Euler: whew
    Alfred Kelberry: brb


    Wol Euler: this is very cosy, boxy.
    Wol Euler: well, boxy that was a fascinating 15 silent minutes with you, but I have to get ready for work. Take care, be happy.

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