Page last modified 23:33, 13 Feb 2012 by wol

*Wol Euler was guardian for this cheerful and chatty session.*

Wol Euler: hello raffila

Wol Euler: I assume from your group tag that you have been here before?

Raffila Millgrove: Hello Wol. Just Raffi is fine.

Raffila Millgrove: no.. only visit first time earlier today. no one here then.

Wol Euler: oh, I see

Raffila Millgrove: i join group to see if any notice etc.

Wol Euler: okay, then I'll give you a notecard about our group, and a general introduction

Raffila Millgrove: yes i read it ealier.

Wol Euler: this is a meditation group called Play as Being

Wol Euler: okay :)

Wol Euler: there are meetings every six hours, 1am 7am 1pm 7pm

Wol Euler: between those times you might find people sitting here to meditate alone, but that is rare

Wol Euler: we do sometimes have special events, theme presentations and the like, but they are usually at the normal times

Raffila Millgrove: i saw announcements around for a Dream .. group... is that seperate group?

Raffila Millgrove: in the cafe.

Wol Euler: yes, it's made up mostly of people from here, but they meet elsewhere

Wol Euler: sunday at 1pm, I believe

Wol Euler: or monday ... to be honest I'm not sure

Raffila Millgrove: so you have to join that one too.. to find out on their activities?

Wol Euler: that isn't a formal "group" in the second life sense

Wol Euler: they meet regularly at that one time and place

Raffila Millgrove: ok

Raffila Millgrove: ty

Wol Euler: actually I do think it is monday at 1pm

Raffila Millgrove: i have been reading the kira website...

Wol Euler: oh, I forgot

Wol Euler: we too have a website, http://wiki.playasbeing.org/

Wol Euler: we record these sessions and publish them there, so that absent members can read what was said

Raffila Millgrove: yes i book mark that as well. and read it.

Wol Euler: good :)

Wol Euler: I have to ask though, for the Terms of Service: may we record and publish your SL name and your comments?

Raffila Millgrove: yes.

Wol Euler: thank you :)

Wol Euler: good morning, zon

Zon Kwan: heya

Wol Euler smiles.

Zon Kwan: iv lost alf of my head

Zon Kwan: half

Wol Euler: yeah

Wol Euler: check your inveintory, you are probably wearing a tattoo or an alpha layer item

Wol Euler: there

Wol Euler: Raffi, do you have a meditation practice?

Raffila Millgrove: not exactly... i have a rest the mind practice rather than thiking ...

Wol Euler: ah :) also a good idea!

Wol Euler: and actually very similar to meditation in its effect probably

Wol Euler: actually .. probably. Sigh. It's too early.

Zon Kwan: is it only me..hard to zoom so i can see all

Alfred Kelberry: woly girl!

Alfred Kelberry: hi :)

Wol Euler: boxy!

Wol Euler: zon, your camera might be muckd up. press ESC twice to restore the default

Alfred Kelberry: you're right on schedule, woly :)

Wol Euler: then try zooming

Wol Euler: what's new on this sunday morning, friends?

Alfred Kelberry: whitney houston...

Wol Euler nods.

Alfred Kelberry: sad ending

--BELL--

Zon Kwan: dead ?

Alfred Kelberry: yes

Wol Euler: the article in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung strikes a strange tone, between sadness and vicious rudeness

Alfred Kelberry: such was her life

Wol Euler: such also are their opinions about it

Wol Euler: easy to sit in comfortable anonymity in Frankfurt and draw a steady salary with no pressure but what to eat for lunch today

Wol Euler: I'm frankly offended by the article

Wol Euler: anyway.

Wol Euler: celebrity is an awful thing

Wol Euler: people throw rocks at you and then sneer at you when you bruise

Alfred Kelberry: yes, i agree, but that's part of being a celebrity

Wol Euler: sure, she didn't have to choose that. Could have been a dishwasher or an accountant ...

Alfred Kelberry: yep

Raffila Millgrove: i don't think that choosing to be a singer.. means that you understand what the celebrity angle will bring.

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: that's probably true

Alfred Kelberry: yes, one can only guess

Raffila Millgrove: starting out.. you cannot predict you will become "big".. maybe you become minor ..

Wol Euler nods.

Alfred Kelberry: we should ask, pema. he's a celebrity of sorts :)

Wol Euler: heheh

Wol Euler: of a different kind, though

Raffila Millgrove: what makes pema a celebrity?

Wol Euler: well, he has an asteroid named after him :)

Wol Euler: that is a kind of fame, in a fairly small circle of populaton

Wol Euler: he's written and co-written literally hundreds of astrophysics and astronomy papers

Raffila Millgrove: oh i knew the director of JPL (former).. he had a whole town in New Zealand named for him, his birthplace.

Wol Euler: wow :)

Wol Euler: okay, I think that beats an asteroid :)

Alfred Kelberry: it's simple really. the more people know your name, the more famous you are.

Wol Euler: true

Raffila Millgrove: tough call. i think i'd prefer the astroid.

Wol Euler: we should distinguish between fame (being known) and celebrity (being eaten alive by the media)

Raffila Millgrove nods.

Alfred Kelberry: same thing to me :)

Wol Euler: celebrity is the poisoned bit

Wol Euler: well, think about it for a while, boxy :)

Alfred Kelberry: you can't be famous without media

Wol Euler: sure

Raffila Millgrove: no.. a lot of people are known for this or that. and the media is not down their throat.

Wol Euler: right

Wol Euler: that is the difference

Wol Euler: you become famous for doing stuff well

Wol Euler: you become a celebrity for being famous

--BELL--

Wol Euler: it's an unrelated second layer

Raffila Millgrove: lot of people are celebs who do practically nothing of note.. they are sort of celebs for being celebs.

Wol Euler: exactly

Raffila Millgrove: Kim Kardassian? good grief.

Alfred Kelberry: raff, which means they're not famous enough

Wol Euler grins.

Alfred Kelberry: "eaten alive" is simply a level of one's fame

Wol Euler: no

Wol Euler: there is a difference between being known, and having hte media haunt your footsteps, interviewing your neighbours, examining your garbage cans

Wol Euler: nobody looks in Pema's garbage can

Wol Euler: because he's not a celebrity

Wol Euler: but he is famous

Alfred Kelberry: cause pema is not famous enough

Wol Euler: I suspect we could talk about this all morning without arriving at a conclusion :)

Raffila Millgrove: ok. let's do this. What if Einstein were alive today.. you think the media would be "eating him up"? it's a fair and kinda interesting question.

Wol Euler: no, they wouldn't

Wol Euler: because Pema is alive today, and Andrew Wylie is alive today ...

Raffila Millgrove: i don't think they would either and gosh you must admite--definately famous.

Wol Euler: these people will never be celebrities

Wol Euler: people who actually *do* things do not become celebrities

Alfred Kelberry: raff, i think they would

Wol Euler: you think that he'd be a celebrity if he came back from the dead :)

Wol Euler: because of his posthumous fame

Wol Euler: but if he'd remained alive teaching at Princeton he wouild be just another professor

Alfred Kelberry: yep, good conclusion :)

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: the difference is this: if you are famous people write about what you *do*

Wol Euler: if you are a celebrity, they write about what they think you *are*

Alfred Kelberry: yes

Wol Euler: which is why celebrity turns poisonous

Wol Euler: and journalists dig through garbage cans

Alfred Kelberry: and this difference is a measure of how famous you are :)

Wol Euler: no

Wol Euler: it is a difference of quality, boxy

Wol Euler: everyone in the world knows of Mother Theresa

Alfred Kelberry: well, quality is subjective

Raffila Millgrove: true but Houston seems to be fighting .. or was fighting a drug problem.. it's sad that this seems to be such a common backfire of success in entertainment.

Wol Euler: no journalist in the world would ever think to write about where she bought her socks

Wol Euler: because her fame is for what she does

Wol Euler: not who she is

Wol Euler: but yes, there is that theme

Raffila Millgrove: well frankly someone really kept the lid on regards Mother Teresa.. as she was known to be rather.. difficult.. outside her work. always had to fly first class for example.

Wol Euler: that might be a practical consideration: in first class people leave you alone

Wol Euler: but I admit your point

Alfred Kelberry: or she's just being a snobby old lady :)

Wol Euler: sure

Raffila Millgrove: well i enjoy to meet you all. and thank you for kind welcome. I have some rl to attend to now.

Wol Euler: nice to meet you too, raffi

Wol Euler: come back any time

Wol Euler: any session time :)

Raffila Millgrove: ty. you both have super avatars!

Wol Euler: awwwww :) thank you

Raffila Millgrove: just to be superficial.. but i think visual here is really important.

Wol Euler: yours is pretty good too. I like the handy rope :)

Raffila Millgrove laughs.

Wol Euler reads profiles.

Raffila Millgrove: bye now.

Wol Euler waves.

Alfred Kelberry: fame inevitably changes people and it's natural given the circumstances

Alfred Kelberry: er, bye :)

Alfred Kelberry: wuff!

Wol Euler: fame changes them, but it is celebrity that drives them to madness

Wol Euler: or encourages a trend to madness that may have been htere in the first place

Alfred Kelberry: could be

Wol Euler: because plenty of musicians are not drug addicts, and many actors are not arrogant arseholes

Alfred Kelberry: i wouldn't write it all off to the media though

Wol Euler: it's like the Buddha said about the difference between pain and suffering

Wol Euler: how you react to it is your decision

Alfred Kelberry: good point :)

Wol Euler: I don't, boxy, clearly it's up to the individuals how they react

--BELL--

Wol Euler: but they are reacting *to* something which exists

Wol Euler: people who are not celebrities do not feel the pressure of being a celebrity

Alfred Kelberry: yes

Alfred Kelberry: in most cases you do at least consider this when you embark on a career of a musician or an actor

Wol Euler: I would hope that they do. I'd really hope that somebody sits them down and warns them of what is coming

Alfred Kelberry: it is a surprise when fame comes to a young actor, but hardly an amazing discovery

Wol Euler nods.

Alfred Kelberry: they basically get what they wish for

Wol Euler: and it must be said that most celebrities are accomplices in their own kidnapping :)

Wol Euler: all of these planted news stories

Wol Euler: like "carly simon is buying a new house"

Alfred Kelberry: maybe there should be courses on how to deal with fame :)

Alfred Kelberry: mandatory :)

Wol Euler: how do the journalists know that? because carly or her publicist TOLD them that!

Alfred Kelberry: eliza!

Eliza Madrigal: Hiya :)

Wol Euler: hello eliza

Wol Euler: this is early for you, or very late :)

Wol Euler: ooh, lovely dress

Eliza Madrigal: quite early

Eliza Madrigal: thanks :)

Alfred Kelberry: *studies eliza's outfit*

Alfred Kelberry: mmm...

Wol Euler: insomnia?

Eliza Madrigal: haha... I've worn this once before when we were doing the Angry Gods exhibit

Wol Euler: ah:)

Alfred Kelberry: beautiful :)

Eliza Madrigal: um, no, my body just thinks this is a good time to get up lately

Wol Euler: heh

Eliza Madrigal: I keep arguing that no, really it isn't

Wol Euler chuckles.

Alfred Kelberry: it's good to listen to one's body

Wol Euler: as long as your body lets you sleep at a correspondingly early time too ...

Wol Euler: and your family ...

Wol Euler smiles.

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Eliza Madrigal: well at least I get to visit early sessions

Alfred Kelberry: yes, sometimes it wishes crazy things like 3 pieces of chocolate pie at midnight :)

Eliza Madrigal: hah, not really ;-)

Eliza Madrigal: :))

Wol Euler: :)

Eliza Madrigal: ice cream first thing in the morning too...

Wol Euler: mmmmm

Alfred Kelberry: *thinks i nailed eliza's real cause for being up* :)

Wol Euler: see, that is where the body and subconscious get their ideas from

Eliza Madrigal: hah... no... likely I will be up for aobut 30 minutes and go back to sleep... has been the pattern

Wol Euler: subconscious learns "hey, if we wake her up early, she'll give us ice cream!"

Wol Euler: like little kids

Eliza Madrigal laughs

Alfred Kelberry: what dream did you have?

Alfred Kelberry: woly :)

Wol Euler: ah :) okay

Eliza Madrigal: ooh actually i was dreaming interestingly... but it would sound weird here

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Alfred Kelberry: as most dreams

Wol Euler grins.

Eliza Madrigal: nods

Wol Euler: save it for tomorrow then

Alfred Kelberry: nooo!

Alfred Kelberry: i want to hear :)

Wol Euler: so come to the dream workshop

Eliza Madrigal: yeah :)

Alfred Kelberry: she may forget later on :)

Wol Euler: not with both of us reminding her :)

Alfred Kelberry: tell if while it's fresh

Alfred Kelberry: it

Eliza Madrigal: you probably really don't... in this case I went back into an older dream to go deeper into a conversation about no-self,hah

Wol Euler: like Inceptoin

Alfred Kelberry: wow

Wol Euler: that is pretty cool

Eliza Madrigal: a bit... a few times there come these themes that come up again and again

Eliza Madrigal: mixture of happenings of the day, memory, what I'm reading...

Wol Euler listens.

Eliza Madrigal: but not my 'symbolism' in this one to write out...

Alfred Kelberry: what were the visuals?

Eliza Madrigal: i had felt before in this dream that there was 'one part' that I didn't remember... talking to someone and asking them questions

Eliza Madrigal: at a large house within a forest

Eliza Madrigal: but in this case I didin't go back through all that

Alfred Kelberry: eerie?

Eliza Madrigal: not really... comforting

Wol Euler smiles.

Eliza Madrigal: I think I went back because it ws so comforting before

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: at the risk of muddying the waters of your recollection, that sounds very much like Halifax :)

Eliza Madrigal: :) yes it does

Alfred Kelberry: lovely

Wol Euler smiles.

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Boxy, the original dream had Windhorse Farm elements

Eliza Madrigal: giggling during the bell because my cam is hooked to boxy's ears

Eliza Madrigal: which makes my head nod back and forth each time he raises them

Wol Euler: I cannot now hear phrases like "a large house within a forest" without thinking of Windhorse

Eliza Madrigal: :) well I like this sort of dream because it is outside of the usual categories...

Eliza Madrigal: and, the impression started outside of dreaming

Eliza Madrigal: seeing the woman I talked to, so striking...

Eliza Madrigal: that is in RL...then came up in dreams hm, all this time later

Wol Euler nods.

Eliza Madrigal: the last dream brought me to find a book called What Is Self, from a Christian writer... Bernadette Roberts...

Eliza Madrigal: I'd heard about her years ago

Wol Euler: ha, serendipity, Adams was just blogging about her a day or two ago

Eliza Madrigal: yes? :)

Wol Euler: let me find the link

Eliza Madrigal: She makes a distinction between no-ego and no-self

Wol Euler: http://rubblebornthoughts.wordpress....7/trinity-670/

Eliza Madrigal: ty

Eliza Madrigal: thanks... clicking the video now...

Eliza Madrigal is sure the pepsi commercial isn't what adams wants the reader to see...

Eliza Madrigal: or maybe it is, lol

Wol Euler: ?

Eliza Madrigal: there was an embedded video on the page

Wol Euler: O.O

Wol Euler: not on my browser

Wol Euler: how strange

Eliza Madrigal: hmmm!

Alfred Kelberry: wuff!

Wol Euler: anyway, you were looking for "What is Self" ...

Eliza Madrigal: yes I bought this quite a while ago but never read it...

Alfred Kelberry: yes

Eliza Madrigal: so now these dreams come up and it seems that's the thing to do

Alfred Kelberry: how many "never read" books do you have on your shelves?

Eliza Madrigal: not all that many actually :)

Wol Euler: over a hundred :)

Alfred Kelberry: hehe

Eliza Madrigal giggles

Alfred Kelberry: i got a few dozen

Wol Euler: in my defense, many of them are English language books that I can't conveniently buy here, so I stock up on things that look interesting

Eliza Madrigal: I go through often and either resell or give away

Alfred Kelberry: woly :)

Eliza Madrigal: :) It seems fine ... never know

Alfred Kelberry: how do you decide which one to resell or give away? a certain price value?

Eliza Madrigal: there is this huge book on my shelf that keeps saying "you read only part of me, how dare you" as I walk by

Wol Euler: hehehehe

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Eliza Madrigal: If I know someone that seems obvious for something, I give them the book...

Wol Euler: right

Eliza Madrigal: sometimes think I've picked up something for someone else

Wol Euler nods.

Alfred Kelberry: this is our eliza :)

Alfred Kelberry: *pats your head*

Eliza Madrigal: kind

Wol Euler: I can get all Taoist about that, when the Moment says "this book belongs to them, not you"

Eliza Madrigal: :)) all Taoist about that

Eliza Madrigal: but yes

Alfred Kelberry: yes, it's sad how much of a displacement of things by need there is

Alfred Kelberry: things we have in our basements and don't care that others dream about

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Eliza Madrigal: nods...

Eliza Madrigal: a lot of people are coming up with ideas but long way to go

Eliza Madrigal: toward sharing better

Wol Euler nods.

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: early on in college i had a nice talk over this with an older guy i knew in his 40s and since then i'm careful (or try to be) when i buy things asking myself do i really need it

Eliza Madrigal: that's a gift, to have that conversation early

Alfred Kelberry: yes, very much so

Eliza Madrigal: :) what did he say that affected you?

Wol Euler nods.

Alfred Kelberry: it's interesting, i can't recall the words... but i do have a sense of understanding from this conversation :)

Wol Euler smiles.

Eliza Madrigal: like my dream conversation :)

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Wol Euler: heheh

Alfred Kelberry: it is really a bless to meet such people early in life

Eliza Madrigal: it is

Alfred Kelberry: berlin meetup was a one big bless of this kind for me :)

Wol Euler: awwwww <3

Eliza Madrigal: :)) I can tell... you are still beaming

Alfred Kelberry: will never forget the first time i saw woly :) and the first hug :)

Wol Euler smiles.

Eliza Madrigal: awwwww

Wol Euler: at the train station :)

Alfred Kelberry: yes

Wol Euler: like Casablanca in reverse.

Eliza Madrigal: hehe

Eliza Madrigal: beautiful

Alfred Kelberry: yes, very lovely

Eliza Madrigal: feel like I was there sometimes, thanks for sharing such warm feelings from the time

Alfred Kelberry: oh, that's nice, eliza :)

Wol Euler smiles.

Alfred Kelberry: i actually often feel this way too when listen to other's traveling stories

Eliza Madrigal: isn't it funny

Eliza Madrigal: about your early conversation...

Eliza Madrigal: at WHF one thing I was so moved by was really SEEing people aim to live by 'take only what is given'

Eliza Madrigal: listening to the forest, watching so closely

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: that was striking

Eliza Madrigal: so there is an impartation more than a lesson

Eliza Madrigal: I can't say I've lived like this... lots of false starts and discouragements falling back into a kind of norm

Eliza Madrigal: but I'm learning

Wol Euler: that's the best anyone can hope for, I think :)

Alfred Kelberry: i think, eliza, are you're far ahead of many people in this respect :)

Wol Euler: we do what we can, and when we fall off the horse, we get up and dust off and get back on

Eliza Madrigal: :) well in this case I may be trying to get off the horse and stay off, hah

Wol Euler: heheheh

Wol Euler: same procedure in reverse, then :)

Eliza Madrigal giggles

Wol Euler: "stay dismounted, dammit!"

Eliza Madrigal: 'that's not the mind to use'

Eliza Madrigal: let that one graze in the flower field

Wol Euler nods.

Eliza Madrigal: (this is my 4:30 - 5:30 AM mind ) haha

Alfred Kelberry: and a beautiful outfit for this occasion

Eliza Madrigal: :) thanks... little frilly

Eliza Madrigal: not sure very PaB ;-)

Wol Euler: frilly is good

--BELL--

Wol Euler: playful

Eliza Madrigal: that's what I thought

Eliza Madrigal: and I went to a ball last night for a little while... to benefit a suicide support group

Alfred Kelberry: oh yes, seen it in my mailbox

Eliza Madrigal: *suicide prevention (!)

Alfred Kelberry: hehe

Alfred Kelberry: yes, good correction :)

Wol Euler: hehehe

Eliza Madrigal: hahah

Eliza Madrigal: :) I rarely send those notices but thought people might like the event

Alfred Kelberry: please do

Alfred Kelberry: i like knowing what events are going on in sl

Eliza Madrigal: so much!

Eliza Madrigal: few seem advertised under 'events'

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: I gave up looking at the official "events", it seemed to be all vampires and strange contests

Eliza Madrigal: yes!

Eliza Madrigal: if I were new i'd think vampires were 90% of SL

Wol Euler: but htat sounds a worthy event

Wol Euler: yeah

Alfred Kelberry: i never really looked at those - too flashy for my taste :)

Eliza Madrigal: when really only 80% or so... laughs

Wol Euler: certainly they are 90% of the Lab's publicity

Alfred Kelberry: hehe

Alfred Kelberry: i missed the whole vampires hype

Wol Euler: lucky :)

Eliza Madrigal: :))

Alfred Kelberry: hard being a teen when vampires are popular

Eliza Madrigal: we met the author of the teen books at first, but by the 3rd book my daughters didn't like them anymore

Wol Euler: I don't think it's ever easy being a teen, actually

Alfred Kelberry: yea

Eliza Madrigal: there was a huge void left by Harry Potter... a big social movement

Wol Euler nods.

Eliza Madrigal: looking for somewhere to go :)

Alfred Kelberry: missed harry too

Eliza Madrigal: aw

Alfred Kelberry: yet i've been called harry on numerous occasions

Eliza Madrigal: so many wonderful magical ideas there

Eliza Madrigal: :) there is something Harry-ish about Alfred

Wol Euler: my niece introduced me to Harry, I read all th books and have to admit that I enjoyed them greatly

Wol Euler: true, eliza

Eliza Madrigal: me too... I began with my oldest when she was 5...

Alfred Kelberry: maybe it's the non-conformist rebelion

Eliza Madrigal: and enjoyed them just as much

Wol Euler: (brb, RL intrudes)

Eliza Madrigal: when we began, no one knew about them

Eliza Madrigal: they were a homeschoolers secret :)

Alfred Kelberry: *wonders what rl is there at woly's door*

Eliza Madrigal: :) pizza? tea?

Alfred Kelberry: sounds good :)

Alfred Kelberry: maybe a neighbor telling woly to not throw glass into paper garbage bins :)

Eliza Madrigal: haha.... am sure Woly doesn't do that

Eliza Madrigal: maybe Woly telling neighbor

Alfred Kelberry: we'll find out shortly :)

Eliza Madrigal: =P~

Alfred Kelberry: hehe

Eliza Madrigal: :::waits with baited breath:::::

Eliza Madrigal: boxy are you able to give individual quote boxes like you did the ego box?

Eliza Madrigal: probably too complex?

Alfred Kelberry: er, qoutes for what?

Alfred Kelberry: no, not so much

Eliza Madrigal: ah

Alfred Kelberry: you mean for eliza to always say how beautiful she is? :)

Eliza Madrigal: I have an ego box :) I was inquiring about the box with quotes from past sessions

Alfred Kelberry: ah, pabbox?

Eliza Madrigal: yes!

Wol Euler: back, reading

Alfred Kelberry: oh, i see

Alfred Kelberry: so, you want to get logs from one particular person?

Eliza Madrigal: no.... I just liked the box and if it can't stay the whole time maybe it can be here sometimes

Wol Euler: agreed

Wol Euler: it was fun

Wol Euler: and useful

Eliza Madrigal: I think so

Eliza Madrigal: even the random lines

Alfred Kelberry: storm banned it

Wol Euler: O.O

Alfred Kelberry: i can only rez it while he's not here

Wol Euler: ah

Alfred Kelberry: for a short time

Eliza Madrigal: from being here all the time maybe....

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: but I'm sure a guardian who wants to have it out during their session would be okay

Alfred Kelberry: yep, left it a few times :)

Wol Euler: I can see his point, the playgoda does tend to fill up with junk

Alfred Kelberry: yes, someone has to look after it

Eliza Madrigal: nods, for sure I have trees and things returned to me all the time

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Eliza Madrigal: so Wol, what was RL?

Alfred Kelberry: yes! :)

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Alfred Kelberry: what was it?!

Wol Euler: work this afternoon :(

Alfred Kelberry: aww...

Eliza Madrigal: !

Alfred Kelberry: the boss

Wol Euler: not unexpected, just the confirmation

Eliza Madrigal: :(

Eliza Madrigal: enjoyable project?

Wol Euler: mostly

Wol Euler smiles.

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Wol Euler: yeah, it's fine

Wol Euler: two (!) new competitions and a huge factory building

Eliza Madrigal: Congratulations

Wol Euler: yeah, our year is set :)

Eliza Madrigal feels like you were making a pool for a long time

Wol Euler: it was a long time! three and half years from the start of that competition to completion

Wol Euler: and in point of fact it still isn't really finished

Eliza Madrigal: oh my

Wol Euler: still checking invoices and pushing contractors to finish the last bits

Alfred Kelberry: this is THE pool

Wol Euler: people who aren't involved in the building process usually have no idea how long it really takes.

Eliza Madrigal: Ohhh now it makes sense...

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Wol Euler: which is probably true of everything, come to think of it.

Eliza Madrigal: indeed so Wol

Alfred Kelberry: well, chinese can build a hotel in a month

Wol Euler: the huge amount of food prepping that restaurant kitchens do, for instance

Eliza Madrigal: yes, the swan swimming ferociously under the water

Wol Euler: heh, it's funny, this factory project has just acquired an incidental side item, a canteen/restaurant for 500 people

*Warning: do not click on the following link. Really.*

Alfred Kelberry: btw: http://i.imgur.com/yXzBq.jpg

Wol Euler: normally that would be a job on its own that we would be delighted to be working on :) here. it's just a minor complication

Eliza Madrigal: um... thanks? ack, Boxy

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Wol Euler: oh dear.

Alfred Kelberry: *evil grin*

Eliza Madrigal: hah Wol... maybe they'll throw in a nice park too

Wol Euler looks into the camera and speaks directly to the wiki-readers. Do not click that link. Really.

Eliza Madrigal: REALLY!

Alfred Kelberry: too late :)

Wol Euler: probably :)

Wol Euler: heheheh

Eliza Madrigal: "don't think of an elephant"

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Alfred Kelberry: wait, what was that with hte restaurant for 500 people?

Wol Euler: plus to be effective, I'd have to edit the log to put my warning before the link ... tricky

Wol Euler: yeah, just a little blob on the side of the factory (as it were)

Eliza Madrigal: it means Boxy, that avatar identity workshop is set for 2020... hehe....

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Wol Euler: heheheh

Eliza Madrigal: (teasing) :))

Alfred Kelberry: you're going to build it?

Wol Euler: sure

Alfred Kelberry: you said they bought it

Wol Euler: ????

Alfred Kelberry: "acquired an incidental side item"

Eliza Madrigal: added it to the original plan

Wol Euler: the project scope has been increased

Alfred Kelberry: ah

Eliza Madrigal: addendum

Wol Euler: sorry :)

Eliza Madrigal: I'd better go back to sleep....

Eliza Madrigal: thanks for lingering so longly

Wol Euler smiles and nods

Alfred Kelberry: right

Wol Euler: sleep well, eliza

Alfred Kelberry: and i'll go eat

Wol Euler: it was lovely to have you here today

Eliza Madrigal: thanks so much, great fun

Wol Euler: and I have to get ready for work

Wol Euler: hugs to the family, at a reasonable hour :)

Alfred Kelberry: majestic gown

Wol Euler: yes!

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Eliza Madrigal: hah... at least one is proably awake by now upstairs

Eliza Madrigal: :) Thanks again

Alfred Kelberry: thank you, woly

Eliza Madrigal waves, Hugs

Alfred Kelberry: lovely session

Wol Euler: it was :)

Alfred Kelberry: work well :)

Wol Euler: you too :)

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