2012.02.12 19:00 - Where Do the Voices Come From?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.

    oO0Oo Resident: Lovely outfit.. and appearance
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks...
    Lucinda Lavender: How are you?
    oO0Oo Resident: I'm OK. Thanks for asking. You?
    Lucinda Lavender: ok...
    Lucinda Lavender: went to a yoga class today and then a 3.5 mile hike
    oO0Oo Resident: Just came a bit early to get situated.  Are you standing in for Cal?
    Lucinda Lavender: no...
    Lucinda Lavender: just playing around with new clothes
    oO0Oo Resident: Oh my goodness.. that is a fair bit of working out Luci!
    Lucinda Lavender: yes and it was fun
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Glad
    Lucinda Lavender: little ups and downs that were sort of inspiring to trot on
    Lucinda Lavender: little rock stacks
    Lucinda Lavender: and cedar bridges for cycleists
    Lucinda Lavender: pretty different...
    Lucinda Lavender: and lots of moss
    Lucinda Lavender: hanging from the trees
    oO0Oo Resident: sounds lovely.. warm weather?
    Lucinda Lavender: high 40's
    oO0Oo Resident: That's Fahrenheit I would imagine ;)
    Lucinda Lavender: quite nice
    Lucinda Lavender: yes:)
    oO0Oo Resident: me nods
    Lucinda Lavender: spring is on its way
    oO0Oo Resident: How's your van. I read that it broke down?
    oO0Oo Resident: *Spring*
    Lucinda Lavender: yes:) fixed as far as I can tell
    oO0Oo Resident: Nice
    Lucinda Lavender: doing spring fixing:)
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: imagines Luci afixing springs to her shoes

    Lucinda Lavender: this will be valentines week...lots of special stuff to do
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi cal...
    Lucinda Lavender: sorry Bell
    Lucinda Lavender: Have you claimed this yet cal?
    oO0Oo Resident: G'day Cal !
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello, L and O :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Claimed!
    Lucinda Lavender: phew!
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Grass, anyone?
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I'm in heaven...
    Lucinda Lavender: sings Van Morrison on the record player
    Calvino Rabeni: I think I'm on the waiting list for that :)
    Lucinda Lavender: well really me too
    Lucinda Lavender: Was just telling Sam about my hike today
    Lucinda Lavender: to the Paradise Valley Conservancy...near Maltby Wa
    Lucinda Lavender: really fun walk with little ups and downs
    Calvino Rabeni: What are its features?
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Stev :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Greetings
    oO0Oo Resident: stacked stone stepping, cedar bridge crossings, mild weather glossings, yoga as frosting
    Lucinda Lavender: bike paths on bridges
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Stev :)
    Lucinda Lavender: :) nicely put Sam
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Steve
    Lucinda Lavender: many rock stacks
    Lucinda Lavender: made me feel I was in a magical place
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Are they do it yourself rock stacks?
    oO0Oo Resident: comingling magics
    Lucinda Lavender: sure
    Lucinda Lavender: met a dog named Harper Mc Knight with its own facebook page
    Lucinda Lavender: they show some pictures of the area
    Lucinda Lavender: I made 2 rock stacs...one with white and one with black
    oO0Oo Resident: :))
    Lucinda Lavender: Luci will stop reporting now:)
    Calvino Rabeni: There was a flood where I lived in Oregon, which scoured out dirt in a park, leaving washed stone fields ... now it's a rock-stacking sculpture areafor passersby, according to the agreement worked out between Nature and the passing Humans
    oO0Oo Resident: Harper McKnight... outta site.. black and white!
    Lucinda Lavender: :))
    Lucinda Lavender: nice things come to be there after a flood
    Lucinda Lavender: steve is it real cold where you are?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, actually
    Lucinda Lavender: thought so...
    stevenaia Michinaga: although it's up to 27 (and windy) now
    Lucinda Lavender: brrr
    stevenaia Michinaga: does how I dress give it away?
    Lucinda Lavender: :)))
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Just know my son is snowed in in NC
    stevenaia Michinaga: what were you describing, RL?
    Lucinda Lavender: a place our in Washington...a conserved land with trails for mountain bikeing
    Lucinda Lavender: tho it is not mountainous
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: just lovely ups and downs
    Lucinda Lavender: found myself trotting along:)

    Calvino Rabeni: Ups and downs and lefts and rights are just the think for a bike path :)
    Lucinda Lavender: The place was called Paradise Valley conservancy
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www1.co.snohomish.wa.us/Departments/Parks/Park_Information/Park_Directory/Regional_Parks/paradisevalley.htm
    Lucinda Lavender: nods to Paradise...
    Calvino Rabeni: It says there's a mountain bike skills area too
    oO0Oo Resident: having a spring in her step... upsing and downsing
    oO0Oo Resident: flowing
    stevenaia Michinaga: here's a nice hike (in 4 minutes)
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://equipped.outdoors.org/2012/02/hike-entire-appalachian-trail-in-four.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=blogs
    Lucinda Lavender: will watch that...yes Cal the bikers were there...a few...polite and looks like horses are wellcome in some parts
    Lucinda Lavender: lovely steve
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: watching...
    Lucinda Lavender: very old mountains and forests
    stevenaia Michinaga: I live close to the trail, used to go camping there quite a bit
    Lucinda Lavender: such a wonderful place.
    Lucinda Lavender: actually ...many places
    Lucinda Lavender: steve...were you allowed to make a fire there when camping?
    stevenaia Michinaga: at that time there were places for campfires, some lean-tos w/ wood floors and places to pitch tents
    stevenaia Michinaga: I don't hike much these days
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems my spouse only has endurance to hike through museums or stores, which is not half bad
    Calvino Rabeni: Does anyone have something to discuss, a creative project, new initiative, or "life as a lab" experiment?
    Calvino Rabeni: Welcome Lawrence :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hi Lawrence
    oO0Oo Resident: Lawrence :)
    Lawrence Vyceratops: hello everybody :)
    Lucinda Lavender: HI Lawrence

    stevenaia Michinaga: I have been busy lately and was working on my Chi Presentation for the IChing Workshop yesterday, but what I found interesting is that Chi does not stand along, every think I did some rreading it about it, it always touched on many things, from iChing, to yin/yang, to chinese medicine, Chi Gong, hightly integrated in describing chi, not like the west where one thing can be isolated from everything else
    Calvino Rabeni: nods
    Calvino Rabeni: yes very much so
    stevenaia Michinaga: and strange that the West focuses on the "thing" rather than the everything
    Lucinda Lavender: LUci thinks of the cheese standing alone and knows it is not the chi:)
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: Chi Cheese?
    oO0Oo Resident: Tai-cheese
    Calvino Rabeni: maybe ... well the interesting distinction is between the "internal" and "external" aspects of things
    Calvino Rabeni: so the internal are effectively unlimited by the space/time categories by which we assess the external
    Calvino Rabeni: external being the "object" type perspectives
    stevenaia Michinaga: even those are broken down in the east to one large thing
    oO0Oo Resident: we might need string cheese theory for this
    stevenaia Michinaga: Chi being passed to another person, for instance, as in a healer
    Calvino Rabeni: The West divides up experience as if it were a block of wood being diced into smaller cubes
    Calvino Rabeni: even time
    Lucinda Lavender: :) Sam
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods, only now they are attempting to put together interdiciplinary approaches to things
    Calvino Rabeni: It's such a habit of thought ... becomes part of basic assumptions, like, there's only so much time, and it must be divided up into compartements of separate activites, each of which has a different purpose
    Calvino Rabeni: then who's got the time to have a life?
    Calvino Rabeni: for instance, doing the laundry is that, but it can't be meditation
    stevenaia Michinaga: but it can
    Calvino Rabeni: of course
    stevenaia Michinaga: unless you are studying meditation :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: then laundy jsut makes a mess of things
    Lucinda Lavender: choosing the water temp...the amount of soap...but one is cleaning the whole time
    Calvino Rabeni: so the "qi in everything" idea is a reminder of that ... one might cultivate qi completely independent of any other activity, mixed or not, it doesn't matter
    Calvino Rabeni: artfuless, a consciousness of quality ...
    Calvino Rabeni: it's a basic difference between qualitative and quantitative aspects of reality
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    stevenaia Michinaga: I don't think anyone has counted Chi yet
    stevenaia Michinaga: like measuring love
    stevenaia Michinaga: hands Cal the lovemometer
    Calvino Rabeni: For instance you may know a "tea master" by the quality of the way they do other activities, like gardening
    Calvino Rabeni: thanks Stev
    oO0Oo Resident: how they stack their stones, or walk on such
    Calvino Rabeni: I remember my martial arts instructor saying - strong qi = strong kung fu, which I thought made sense, then he said, also, strong qi means it will be easy to fall asleep at night.. weak qi causes insomnia
    oO0Oo Resident: SI! XD
    Calvino Rabeni: so I thought . hmmm , ok, it's not quite what I thought
    stevenaia Michinaga: weak chi is unhealthy state
    Calvino Rabeni: well I don't know the fine points of the theory, but the sensitivity and attention to be able to direct qi seems to lead to ability to shift those energy patterns in the body, that lead to ill health and stress
    stevenaia Michinaga: and it can be something to share and offer to others to
    Calvino Rabeni: nods

    stevenaia Michinaga: a warm vibe
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Tess gtsy
    oO0Oo Resident: Welcome Tess
    Calvino Rabeni: Tess :)
    Tess Aristocrat: Hello all :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Tess:)
    Lawrence Vyceratops: hi, Tess
    oO0Oo Resident: make yourself concentric :)
    Lucinda Lavender: keep having this idea...of everyone sitting on the edge of the pool with feet in...
    Tess Aristocrat: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: The different uses of qi as a kind of quality word, remind me of the uses of "jai" in the thai language ... there are lots of "jai" words, and a lot of qualities are referred to that way - it means "... feeling", I'd say, the felt sense of the quality of things
    Tess Aristocrat: that could be arranged
    Tess Aristocrat: :D
    stevenaia Michinaga: no one said it was easy
    stevenaia Michinaga: you can aways jsut choose "site" rather than selecting a spot
    stevenaia Michinaga: sit
    Lucinda Lavender: thought about what kind of chi it might be
    stevenaia Michinaga: wet chi
    oO0Oo Resident: this is analagous to .. hmmm... before onigokkoo.. there was.. manoeuvring.. (in the old days)
    Tess Aristocrat: chi=lly
    Tess Aristocrat: yippieeee
    Lucinda Lavender: can you say more about wet chi...?
    Lucinda Lavender: something was siad eariler...about it being weak?
    stevenaia Michinaga: not sure, I jsut made it up
    Lucinda Lavender: maybe I got that mixed up...
    stevenaia Michinaga: weak chi
    Tess Aristocrat: Ah-chi
    stevenaia Michinaga: there was this example in a book about chi Gong my as healer who said if you were not well, and atempted to heal someone, you would be giving weak chi, which would not be healthy
    Tess Aristocrat: and chi-ky :P
    stevenaia Michinaga: which made me wonder about going to any doctor who was having a bad day
    Tess Aristocrat: nods
    Lucinda Lavender: nodding
    Lucinda Lavender: interesting
    Lucinda Lavender: I have not really studied about chi so it is something to learn about...
    stevenaia Michinaga: if you have access to the www.iching.ws site, you can look at the log
    Lucinda Lavender: sure...I will...
    stevenaia Michinaga: if not, you can sign up and read the logs
    stevenaia Michinaga: I spoke of Chi followed by Paradise talking about Meridians, whch are the pathways of Chi within the body
    Lucinda Lavender: ok I am there...
    stevenaia Michinaga: have you logged in before?
    Tess Aristocrat: I have a friend that is a Sikh. They believe in getting up every day and taking a cold shower. It 'shocks' and invigorates the chi
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: to steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: next month Santoshima will be giving a talk on the Indian counterpart of Chi
    stevenaia Michinaga: I think it's called Prana?
    Calvino Rabeni: qi can get very stagnant in lifestyle habits like sitting at a desk and computer for long periods of time
    stevenaia Michinaga: second Saturdays at 2:00
    Lucinda Lavender: yes in yoga...prana...associated with the breath I think...
    stevenaia Michinaga: and breath w/ Chi
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)

    Calvino Rabeni: It's odd how compelling are the habits of compartmentalizing knowledge itself ... like the idea of "topics" came through aristotle with the assumption that the world can be divided up into commonplace categories that do not overlap each other
    Lucinda Lavender: Pranayama -mindful breathing
    Calvino Rabeni: It's a habit of thought, with real consequences about how people live their lives and the quality of those lives
    Lucinda Lavender: maybe there is a deep desire to know the boundaries around a concept and that just kind of works against a whole kind of knowing
    Lucinda Lavender: making a list so that certain things are not forgotten...to cope...
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: while the boundaries interpenetrate ... or aren't really there
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    Calvino Rabeni: and yes I agree it's an organizational tool to aid remembering
    Calvino Rabeni: keep track of complexities of life
    stevenaia Michinaga: the need to graps and contain things
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Lucinda Lavender: the sorting done clears some king of confusion perhaps
    Calvino Rabeni: there are 2 related books by David Weinberger, by the way ... one called "Everything is Miscellaneous" and the other "Too Big to Know" .. they are about how the nature of knowlege is shifting as we have new ways to keep track of and organize it and also to access intelligence
    Lucinda Lavender: kind
    Tess Aristocrat: Well, I must go. Have a great week all. :)
    Lucinda Lavender: sounds very interesting
    Lucinda Lavender: bye Tess;)
    Calvino Rabeni: is a feeling of lack of confusion worth seeing the world in a confusing way that doesn't really match how it is?
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye, Tess
    stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes you jsut ahve to understand that some things are not understandable
    Lawrence Vyceratops: gotta go, too
    Calvino Rabeni: perhaps there are many ways of understanding, apprehending, being in relationship to things
    Calvino Rabeni: See ya, Lawrence
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye lawrence
    oO0Oo Resident: Bye Lawrenece :)
    Lawrence Vyceratops: bye
    oO0Oo Resident: Bye Tess
    Lucinda Lavender: bye Lawrence
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off, thanks Luci, Cal, Samud
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks Steve...
    oO0Oo Resident: Bye Stev :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye Stev :)
    Lucinda Lavender: so...I am wondering how the ways of knowledge are shifting
    oO0Oo Resident: not sure I understand the question Luci.
    Lucinda Lavender: thinking about the 2 books Cal mentioned...
    Lucinda Lavender: I might need to read the book...
    Calvino Rabeni: they don't have to be sorted out into categories as much ... nor be as certain ... can be fresher ... we can search for things by something as specific as a keyword on Google for instance
    Calvino Rabeni: aw, just read the Amazon comments
    Lucinda Lavender: cool

    Calvino Rabeni: The BLOG is interesting too, the author tells about his thought process in working out the whole set of ideas
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: will look forward to reading more...
    Calvino Rabeni: It becomes possible for instance to synthesize knowledge about some things from very many sources, either qualitative or symbolic questions, or quantitative information (going now by the name of "Big Data")
    Calvino Rabeni: It's more "democratic" in a way
    Calvino Rabeni: so for instance you can ask 100,000 people what happiness is to them, rather than finding some "experts" to interpret and declare what it is supposed to be
    Calvino Rabeni: so the experts become more "sense makers" rather than definers
    Lucinda Lavender: sounds bigger
    Lucinda Lavender: not honed down
    Lucinda Lavender: many answers
    Calvino Rabeni: A collective dream, perhaps
    Calvino Rabeni: a dream has its own emergent meaning
    Lucinda Lavender: nodding to that
    Calvino Rabeni: which doesn't come from looking up symbols in a map or dictionary
    Calvino Rabeni: By the way, do you have any experiences about "breaking" dreams from the inside of them, Cinda?
    Calvino Rabeni: I mean is it something that has been discussed in circles of dream study?
    Lucinda Lavender: what do you mean by breaking...of the moment(lucid)?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yeah, when in a dream that is lucid, deciding to end the dream and wake up
    Lucinda Lavender: well...I have not experienced too many...but I have had dreams where I decided something was going to need to stop
    Calvino Rabeni: something in it, or the dream itself?
    Lucinda Lavender: seeing an out of controll situation...and making a choice regarding that...as if I knew there was a change needed
    Calvino Rabeni: nods
    Lucinda Lavender: had been advised to say a prayer when knowing I was in a ceremonial sort of dream
    Calvino Rabeni: makes sense
    Lucinda Lavender: (saw my mother...deceased...and wrapped in lavender clothes...so I came up with a prayer...
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Para
    Calvino Rabeni: :) Para
    Lucinda Lavender: Love you now for all the past and for all the future
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi para:)
    Calvino Rabeni: That's a good prayer or vow
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and waves all round and listens to luci's dream
    Calvino Rabeni: We're talking (I think) about dream action and identity
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I am not one to make prayers much so having the suggesting that a prayer was a good response to a ceremonial situation in a dream..it was helpful
    Calvino Rabeni: yes, it wouldn't be immediately obvious when it was good
    Calvino Rabeni: I have a question
    Lucinda Lavender: and i had been taought that the tanzanite color in dreams was a ceremonial kind of dream
    Lucinda Lavender: yes?
    Calvino Rabeni: dreams have "symbols" ... though I want to say, the symbols are not just interpreted, but they are created to serve a certain sense of what needs to be true
    Calvino Rabeni: so when a dream is broken ... I mean a night dream ... by a conscious choice
    Calvino Rabeni: there
    Lucinda Lavender: I like that..to serve a certain sense of what is true
    Calvino Rabeni: is a discomfort, maybe even a grief at its loss

    Calvino Rabeni: so there would be 2 different ways of interpreting that energy of emotion (at least)
    Calvino Rabeni: the first is, .. there is a "dreamer" who becomes attached to the dream being a certain way, identified with it, and it's a distressing event to lose it
    Calvino Rabeni: the second is, the forms in the dream are very multi-vocal
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: so they are a compromise or blend of many different voices
    Calvino Rabeni: some known and some unknown to the "dreamer", maybe some unknowable
    Calvino Rabeni: then when the dream breaks, there's a loss of that wholeness
    Calvino Rabeni: because there are potentially many voices losing their dreams
    Lucinda Lavender: shattered
    Calvino Rabeni: as well as the loss of the unity of their collaborative composition
    oO0Oo Resident ducks away... ::sorry:: have to leave. Nice to see you all :)
    Paradise Tennant: where do all those voices come from :)
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite sam
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks Sam...:)
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye Samuo
    Calvino Rabeni: That's a good question isn't it, where do the voices come from?
    Lucinda Lavender: maybe from our collective awareness...
    Paradise Tennant: do we connect to a less iindividual reality in our dreams one not constrained by our noses ears and eyes
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe they come from the fact that intelligence is fragmentary ... and yet it clusters into self-like structures
    Paradise Tennant: always think of our senses as like a little slot .capturing only a fraction of the picture
    Lucinda Lavender: interesting
    Lucinda Lavender: what you both said
    Calvino Rabeni: Senses or sense of identity?
    Calvino Rabeni: A limited sense of identity would result in the ability only to apprehend limited aspects of reality
    Calvino Rabeni: the mirror has two sides, and looks both ways
    Lucinda Lavender: I do not know much about intelligence
    Paradise Tennant: suspect maybe dreams are more real than waking :)
    Paradise Tennant: we are not really as constrained by our senses though they still define our dream perceptions
    Calvino Rabeni: nods
    Paradise Tennant: often find I dream of things that happen but they are every day little nuances I can remember the dream and then the moment in reality feels familar and right but usually about something very mundane
    Lucinda Lavender: where do the voices come from...was that the question?
    Calvino Rabeni: then the waking state is a dream state that is constrained to match certain aspects of what is going on around oneself, and those certain aspects being selected to create the needed symbols for the dream process
    Paradise Tennant: yes if dreams are collaborative .. where do the voices come from
    Paradise Tennant: smiles research :)))
    Calvino Rabeni: that makes a good question, yes
    Calvino Rabeni: it wouldn't be just one way..? just like there are many ways that mountains get created
    Lucinda Lavender: probably yes!
    Calvino Rabeni: one way would be, for instance, the loss of innocence in childhood ... a young person has an experience that is too intense or confusing, and innocence breaks
    Calvino Rabeni: then it's like there are now 2 voices after the break
    Calvino Rabeni: they are still connected by a thread .. but the worlds have divided as have the yearnings or eros that created the worlds

    Paradise Tennant: hmm if you are talking of a sexual awakening don't think that it fragments you it is just part of the whole .. don't think innocence is lost .. by it really it is just a layer of experience .. very natural r
    Calvino Rabeni: I didn't mean sexual in the adult sense
    Paradise Tennant: ok
    Lucinda Lavender: one voice saying...x is scary...another saying time to keep going...attending
    Paradise Tennant: the fragmentation that divides is the illusion that we are distinct
    Calvino Rabeni: but it is a little like the threads of meaning and energy go back in time to a younger person, they are less differentiated, and all overlap as parts of a more unified life energy
    Paradise Tennant: what is the scary x
    Lucinda Lavender: not sure...but anything overwhelming I suppose
    Calvino Rabeni: Or anything needing radical experimentation, perhaps
    Paradise Tennant: would be interesting to see if we could dream together
    Paradise Tennant: a long time ago cal you talked of some kind of telephone experiment where there had to be a kind of telepathy or .. implicit understanding between people separated by distance
    Calvino Rabeni: the adult persona is like someone who if you trace things back, you find a part that stayed home to guard a treasure, and another that went out to explore the world
    Lucinda Lavender: Luci is recalling several scary things from child hood...but I don't really know how to converse also about dreaming...it is a jump for me to dreaming
    Calvino Rabeni: nods
    Lucinda Lavender: ah
    Calvino Rabeni: Jung said something like there is buried gold in the subconscious
    Lucinda Lavender: the explorer vs the hiding one
    Calvino Rabeni: something valuable left there for safekeeping
    Calvino Rabeni: yes those 2
    Calvino Rabeni: one hiding the gold
    Paradise Tennant: hmmm exploration does not require you to wear out your sneakers :)
    Paradise Tennant: there is lots of exploration one can do just sitting still :))
    Calvino Rabeni: Inner space?
    Paradise Tennant: guarding your smiles inner .. divinity :)
    Lucinda Lavender: what is the gold?
    Calvino Rabeni: Sorry Para, I don't remember the telephone experiment
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, divinity :)
    Lucinda Lavender: ok
    Lucinda Lavender: I remember the discussion a bit
    Paradise Tennant: we were going to try it one nite maybe mitzi brought it up
    Lucinda Lavender: there was a website
    Lucinda Lavender: yes mitzi
    Calvino Rabeni: Or faith, or a knowledge of certain possibilities and freedoms
    Paradise Tennant: miss mitzi
    Paradise Tennant: yes there was a website L(
    Calvino Rabeni: Nods, I heard from Mitzi
    Paradise Tennant: so fun and sparky :)
    Calvino Rabeni: that's right :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I will need to go...
    Calvino Rabeni: I do too actually
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks for the great discussion
    Paradise Tennant: okies nite nite luci :)) sweet connected dreams
    Paradise Tennant: me too
    Paradise Tennant: late here a minute to midnight :)
    Lucinda Lavender: planting little seeds
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks Para and Cinda for the conversations and communions
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Take care, dream well :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles thank you cal .. luci for the conversation and the company :)) and maybe we will meet in a dream :)
    Lucinda Lavender: would not be surprised
    Calvino Rabeni: nods
    Calvino Rabeni: bye!
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and poufs
    Lucinda Lavender: bye!



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