2012.02.13 01:00 - Christmas trees and red circles

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Wester Kiranov. The comments are by Wester Kiranov.

    I met Raffila Milgrove for the first time here today. We had a nice chat about various subjects. After a while Alfred Kelberry (boxy) joined us. He also showed me what one can do with the red circle.

    Wester Kiranov: hi raffila
    Wester Kiranov: have you been here before?
    Raffila Millgrove: hello Wester. I visited yesterday.
    Wester Kiranov: good. then i won't have to explain the workings of Play as Being
    Raffila Millgrove nods.
    Wester Kiranov: but if you have questions, do feel free to ask
    Raffila Millgrove: i am not sure what my questions are... i tend to observe and think... and listen
    Raffila Millgrove: before i asking questions.
    Wester Kiranov: that's my style too. it does sometimes make for quite quiet sessions
    Raffila Millgrove: lol
    Raffila Millgrove: well i am guessing that each host is different.
    Wester Kiranov: true
    Raffila Millgrove: yesterday our guide was quite chatty and had a loit to say about Whitney Houston. I couldn't quite make the connection between PAB and the media's coverage of Houston's death, but I was here for it.
    Raffila Millgrove: ah and so was boxy.
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Raffila Millgrove: hi boxy.
    Wester Kiranov: hi boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: raff is bright and summer-like today :)
    Wester Kiranov: nice antlers, or what are they?
    Wester Kiranov: brb
    Alfred Kelberry: correct
    Raffila Millgrove: i still have my Christmas tree up. People seem to really like it and say, "dont' take it down" Kinda unexpected nice reaction.
    Raffila Millgrove: your antlers reminded me of thta.
    Alfred Kelberry: neat :)
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, keep it. let it spread the cheer.
    Wester Kiranov: back
    Raffila Millgrove: yeah i thought they'd be.. sort of like trying to hide that "omg they are in bad shape.. they cannot get their own tree down' but they seem pretty genuine about loving it and keeping it up.
    Alfred Kelberry: our expectations of bad consequence are often exaggerated :)
    Raffila Millgrove: true. often it's the stuff you don't see coming that hits hardest. and the worries are pointless.
    Wester Kiranov: yeah the stuff you thougght they'd hate, they don't even notice. It's the stuff you hadn't even noticed that they hate
    Raffila Millgrove: practially we won't leave it up--too much harsh light will fade the old ornaments etc.. right by a huge window where sun will get increasingly hotter.. but we're tied up in other stuff and need a space of time.. where we can make the big mess it takes.. to get it down. (the Xmas tree is a huge production lol)
    Wester Kiranov: and you can't even depend on that
    Raffila Millgrove: it's hard for us to realize i think.. that people care a lot less than we think they will. basically they don't care all that much in general.
    Wester Kiranov: i think they do care (in general), just not about they things we think they'll care about
    Raffila Millgrove: i think the word "care".. i didn't mean as in Caring and kind. I mean interest level.
    Alfred Kelberry: do you still put presents under the tree? :)
    Raffila Millgrove: i thinkwe overestimate their level of interest/concern in things that we don't want noticed... altho hard to hide an Xmas tree. Yes of course we put presents under it.
    Wester Kiranov: i think most people have a pretty high interest level, if you tick the right boxes
    Alfred Kelberry: prolonged christmas with lots of presents - nice :)
    Raffila Millgrove: i will be clearer in what i am speaking about. not general interest.. I was speaking about things we are embarassed over.. things we might not want anyone to dwell on.
    Raffila Millgrove: here's an example. As a journalist.. i did a lot of interview--profiles of people
    Raffila Millgrove: so they tell me their big secret.. and they want me to kind of gloss over it--keep it .. semi underwraps. and the fact is.. No one cares. Or the thing they find embarssing.. eveyrone else is goign to think.. is neat.
    Alfred Kelberry: *noted a while back that raff is a fast typer. now he knows why* :)
    Raffila Millgrove: that's really not why. i once lost a job bedause i couldn't type well or fast so i determined to become a very fast typist. and did that.
    Alfred Kelberry: oh wow. what job was that?
    Raffila Millgrove: it was public affairs assistant for ABC tv.
    Alfred Kelberry: eek
    Raffila Millgrove: there was a lot of record keeping. they didn't have computers. you needed to be a fast/accurate typist.
    Alfred Kelberry: not many are qualified to do that, i'd guess :)
    Raffila Millgrove: hehe. qualifications.. not so much in the old days.
    Raffila Millgrove: who you know.. that seem to really be important. now.. i am not so sure if that still counts much. maybe so.. you think?
    Alfred Kelberry: both
    Raffila Millgrove nods.
    Wester Kiranov: i do think qualifications are overrated
    Alfred Kelberry: company culture is important. you'd like an expert and a "good person" on top of it. someone you "know".
    Wester Kiranov: so, someone with both work skills and people skills
    Raffila Millgrove: oh a lot of career candidates are low in people skills.. it's not a drawback in doing some jobs.. it's a drawback in interviewing for the job.
    Wester Kiranov: yeah, so how do you ever show you can do the job if you never get through the interview?
    Raffila Millgrove: you get someone to help you learn to interview. that's a skil.. and it can be taught.
    Raffila Millgrove: it's actually really easy to learn.
    Wester Kiranov: and most jobs are not found by writing a letter and doing an interview, they are found by networking, in or outside the company
    Raffila Millgrove: yeah.. you know i look at these huge jobsites.. and you supposedly would send resumes and cover letter.. and i wonder.. who ever gets an interview this way? seems like a paper mill and such a time waster... frustrating too.
    Wester Kiranov: i used to write those letters, and often get invited for an interview as well. Over 20 interview and i never got a job
    Wester Kiranov: but, on the bright side, if i hadn't done that, i might not be here in the PaB pavillion
    Raffila Millgrove: mm. i don't know your field Wester, so I couldn't comment accurately. But if your skills did match the job, I would suspect maybe you are not top notch in interviewing? is that maybe possible? or you think perhaps some other reason?
    Wester Kiranov: i always thought maybe my cover letters were too good ;-)
    Raffila Millgrove: lol
    Wester Kiranov: because often i could see that i was not the most qualified (officially) of the candidates
    Raffila Millgrove nods.
    Wester Kiranov: but it might have been my interview skills, sure
    Raffila Millgrove: people really like themselves.. so a tip on interviewing. is to get the interviewer to talking about themselves. it's easy to ask them.. When did you join this company? What's been your experience working here?
    Raffila Millgrove: this also expresses your genuine interest in the company.... when they ask--do you have any questions? that's a great one to ask.
    Wester Kiranov: i do know that works on a personal level - i remember finally getting that you have to ask questions and show interest, not try to impress people, when i was about 20
    Wester Kiranov: so that shows a bit about my natural people skills, i suppose :-(
    Raffila Millgrove: mm. 20 seems fine to me. Parents push their children so hard these days. that i wonder if the children have any sense of who they really are.. they are so "packaged" up by their parents. i wonder who this will play out later as they are in their '30s. it's a weird shift. these helicopter parents.
    Raffila Millgrove: Hovering=helicopter
    Wester Kiranov: my parents were more of the "follow your bliss" types. they wanted us to be happy more than successful
    Raffila Millgrove: yeah.. that'
    Raffila Millgrove: is sooo over.
    Raffila Millgrove: i think parents still want their kids happy, but about 25 yrs ago they really got weird. i noticed with my last child.. just how weird. i referred to it as over protective and micro managing. then.. now we just say "helicopter"
    Raffila Millgrove: they leave their kids no time to play.. they manage every minute of their time. they demand the kids are avail to them. any minute (by cell).. the kid has no peace or freedom. lol
    Wester Kiranov: schools do that as well. my children are 5 and they already get homework
    Wester Kiranov: and my school is not that pushy, i am sure there are worse ones
    Raffila Millgrove: i know. it's that crazy. there is a small group of parents who are trying to get the schools to give reasonable.. homework that helps the kid review and learn and not just impressiove Amounts of it.
    Raffila Millgrove: many schools around me say that the reason they give so much homework is that originally it was the Parents who demanded it. (hehe you know it wasn't the kids)
    Raffila Millgrove: Well boxy it was nice to see you again. NIce to meet you Wester. Thank you for hosting us.
    Wester Kiranov: bye raffi nice to meet you
    Raffila Millgrove waves goodbye to wester and boxy.

    Some green words showed up in the text box.

    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: it works
    Wester Kiranov: what works?
    Alfred Kelberry: commands
    Wester Kiranov: ok, so there is a red circle, and it does something with commands
    Wester Kiranov: i noticed it lighted up during the pause
    Alfred Kelberry: yep
    Wester Kiranov: so, what is it for?
    Alfred Kelberry: just for fun :)
    Wester Kiranov: what does it do? i just don't get it
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, currently, you can get weather in a city and word definitions
    Wester Kiranov: how?
    Alfred Kelberry: if you type "/12 weather paris", it will tell you what temp, etc is in paris
    Alfred Kelberry: if you want to find a definition of a word "revolution", you type "/12 define revolution"
    Wester Kiranov: ok, so it is on channel 12
    Alfred Kelberry: yes
    Alfred Kelberry: if you click the circle, it will show the available commands
    Wester Kiranov: nice
    Alfred Kelberry: may not be too clear :)
    Wester Kiranov: is onigokko with the circle different from without?
    Alfred Kelberry: it speeds up the spin :)
    Alfred Kelberry: sec...

    boxy sits on the red circle.

    Alfred Kelberry: i'm slowly spinning by default
    Alfred Kelberry: but if you say...
    Alfred Kelberry: onigokko
    Alfred Kelberry: wee!!! :)
    Alfred Kelberry: stop
    Alfred Kelberry: there
    Wester Kiranov: so it stops and lights up at the bell

    Finally I manage to sit on it as well.

    Wester Kiranov: i like this slow spinning
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, to honor the pause :)
    Alfred Kelberry: and give a visual cue
    Alfred Kelberry: i'm doing another command :)
    Alfred Kelberry: hmm, not spinning. odd.
    Wester Kiranov: maybe we're too heavy ;-)
    Alfred Kelberry: highly doubtful :)
    Alfred Kelberry: eek
    Wester Kiranov: i have to go now. thanks for showing the circle to me :-)
    Wester Kiranov: bye

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