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*Wol Euler was guardian for this session.*

Matjaz Rives: Hello

Wol Euler: hello again, matjaz

Wol Euler: there are two poses in each cushion, click on it to change

Matjaz Rives: neither is too attractive

Matjaz Rives: lol

Wol Euler: heheh

Wol Euler: then use your AO

Matjaz Rives: I don't have one

Matjaz Rives: lol

Wol Euler: heheh

Matjaz Rives: so what's up?

Wol Euler: crocuses are up!

Wol Euler: spring has sprung, at least here

Matjaz Rives: it's that time of the year again

Wol Euler nods.

Matjaz Rives: it's meeting time?

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: though it may well be just us. Monday 1pm is often poorly attended

Matjaz Rives: ah

Matjaz Rives: so this is a spiritual group?

Wol Euler: I'm not sure :) What do you mean by that?

Matjaz Rives: like people striving to be closer to Enlightment/God

Wol Euler: striving is an interesting word

Wol Euler: I'm not being evasive, we are such a disparate group that it's hard to think of anything that "we all are"

Matjaz Rives: You iz what iz already

Matjaz Rives: but becoming seems to take effort.. and time.. and such

Wol Euler: I think most of us are waiting calmly and curiously for enlightenment to arrive, rather than striving to force ourselves upon it

Wol Euler: (insofar as anyone believes in Enlightenment :)

Matjaz Rives: I don't want to believe

Matjaz Rives: I will know someday or not

Matjaz Rives: lol

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: that's a good attitude

Matjaz Rives: I read about it :P

Matjaz Rives: that's all

Wol Euler: I think we are here mostly to be reminded to stop and examine our own minds and ideas once in a while

Wol Euler: rather than assuming that we know everything, or even that we know anything

Matjaz Rives: do y'all talk politics?

Wol Euler: sometimes

Wol Euler: but not exclusively, and we generally avoid contentious and divisive topics

Matjaz Rives: wise

Wol Euler: we aren't a "philosophy group" where people gather to be rude about each other

Matjaz Rives: in AA they avoid it completely

Matjaz Rives: haha

Wol Euler: well, sadly true

Wol Euler: many philosophers use truth as a blunt weapon

Wol Euler: to hurt others with

Matjaz Rives: Rudness is the weak man's imitation of strenght

Matjaz Rives: Eric Hoffer

Wol Euler: exactly

Wol Euler: any idea worth believing in, is strong enough to be carefully examined

Matjaz Rives: I suppose that is the case

Wol Euler: there's a break coming up in about 3 minutes

Matjaz Rives: my rule of thumb is Jesus's "By their fruits ye shall know them"

Wol Euler: we pause here every quarter hour for 90 seconds, to slow down the conversation and give ourselves a chance to reconsider what we were about to say :)

Matjaz Rives: the 90 second one?

Matjaz Rives: ok

Wol Euler: it#s a good system

Wol Euler: yep

Matjaz Rives: I like it

Matjaz Rives: I'd like to put that into practice

Matjaz Rives: when I debate politics with my friend in the library

Matjaz Rives: lolz

Wol Euler: suggest it :)

Matjaz Rives: every 15 minutes?

--BELL--

Wol Euler: let's do a quick meditation during the pause, just let your mind go blank and stay with your breathing for 90 sec

Wol Euler smiles.

Matjaz Rives: yep yep

Wol Euler smiles broadly.

Wol Euler: how was that?

Matjaz Rives: okay

Matjaz Rives: I had cramps, I think

Matjaz Rives: lolz

Matjaz Rives: but that happens to me sometimes

Wol Euler: heheh

Wol Euler: were you sitting "properly", or just in your normal chair?

Matjaz Rives: I sit on my chair in the buddha posture

Matjaz Rives: lol

Matjaz Rives: what do you call it

Wol Euler: impressive :)

Matjaz Rives: legs crossed

Matjaz Rives: oh yeah

Wol Euler: lotus? with the feet crossed up tight?

Matjaz Rives: not tight

Matjaz Rives: but I often sit like that

Wol Euler: I can't do that :) I don't bend that far any more

Matjaz Rives: You can't sit cross legged?

Wol Euler: not in a lotus, no

Wol Euler: not with the heels tucked in

Matjaz Rives: ah

Matjaz Rives: I don't do that

Wol Euler: I have a fairly thick solid pillow that I sit on, raises my butt about 18cm above the ground

Matjaz Rives: fancy smanchy

Wol Euler: when I'm on that, I can cross my legs below it

Wol Euler: it works for me :)

Wol Euler: I'm more interested in what works, than what is Formal And Proper

Matjaz Rives: I'm thinking of joining a martial arts club and train

Wol Euler: oh, good idea

Matjaz Rives: I always wanted to do it but I was too chicken

Wol Euler: heheheh

Matjaz Rives: like when I was like 9 I wanted to do Karate

Wol Euler: so do tai chi

Matjaz Rives: but I chickened out

Matjaz Rives: Tai Chi is like.. you can do it in a room

Wol Euler: similar effect on the body but without violence

Matjaz Rives: need something stronger

Matjaz Rives: I'm thinking.. Judo

Matjaz Rives: throwing people seems fun

Matjaz Rives: and you learn how to fall properly

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: a very useful skill

Matjaz Rives: yeah

Matjaz Rives: especially when old

Matjaz Rives: lol

Wol Euler: :)

Matjaz Rives: How to overcome laziness?

Matjaz Rives: Sloth

Matjaz Rives: I'm lazy, I procrastinate I sit around

Wol Euler: very good question. Wish I knew.

Matjaz Rives: seems like action is the only remedy

Matjaz Rives: and praying

Wol Euler: laziness is often a question of values, though

Wol Euler: lazy people are usually not doing *nothing*, they are just not doing what they "should do"

Wol Euler: so one way to deal with it might be by looking at what you do when you are being lazy

Wol Euler: and perhaps assigning more worth to that activity :)

Matjaz Rives: Maybe

Wol Euler: instead of being rude to yourself for reading a book instead of cleaning the kitchen, say "wow, I've read four books this month!"

Matjaz Rives: It's progress for me to read books and not clean

Matjaz Rives: lolz

Wol Euler: heheheheh

Wol Euler: sec, RL calls

--BELL--

Wol Euler: back, sorry about that

Matjaz Rives: wb

Wol Euler: ty

Matjaz Rives: watching an exorcism being performed would be something

Wol Euler: say more?

Matjaz Rives: it happens

Matjaz Rives: there are trained exorcists

Matjaz Rives: and they perform that task

Matjaz Rives: with other people

Matjaz Rives: man that must be scary

Matjaz Rives: look evil in the face

Matjaz Rives: Don't blink!

Matjaz Rives: hehe

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: I wonder how you'd go about finding one to attend ...

Matjaz Rives: write letters to catholic churches

Wol Euler: or the yellow pages :)

Matjaz Rives: Not sure

Matjaz Rives: maybe

Matjaz Rives: there's all these things that I know I should do

Matjaz Rives: would be good for me

Wol Euler smiles.

Matjaz Rives: but I don't do them today

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: that's how it goes ...

Wol Euler: so what stops you?

Matjaz Rives: Would rather have it easy

Matjaz Rives: then go for effort

Matjaz Rives: and unfamiliar terrotory

--BELL--

Matjaz Rives: “Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities... because it is the quality which guarantees all others.”

Matjaz Rives: Churchill

Wol Euler nods thoughtfully. I find commonsense to be seriuosly underrated :)

Matjaz Rives: mhm

Wol Euler: sorry, I realize that I'm fading :)

Wol Euler: more tired than I thought today.

Matjaz Rives: On a different note, it's amazing how popular Shalon Kong Fu is in popular culture.. especially considering there's only one Shaolin temple in China

Matjaz Rives: must be really good

Wol Euler: perhaps it's like the scarcity of pizza restaurants in Italy :)

Matjaz Rives: I don't know

Wol Euler: I must admit that I know very little about martial arts

Matjaz Rives: Thanks for reminding me of Tai Chi

Wol Euler: I know what kendo is, but that's about all that I am certain of

Wol Euler: yw

Matjaz Rives: I know of these videos on youtube of a chinese guy doing Tai Chi

Matjaz Rives: I always feel good when I do it

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: that might be a way to get yourself involved in martial arts without stressing about it

Wol Euler: simply choose one that makes you feel good :)

Matjaz Rives: nah I still want to try something

Matjaz Rives: Judo would be a good place to start I think

Matjaz Rives: I need to have some full contact

Matjaz Rives: I'm young

Matjaz Rives: I can take it

Matjaz Rives: hehe

Wol Euler: /gre

Wol Euler grins.

Wol Euler: try it and let us know

Matjaz Rives: will do

Matjaz Rives: .. and if I chicken out you won't know

Matjaz Rives: haha

Wol Euler: heheh

Wol Euler: I am certain that if you did, you would punish yourself more harshly than we could

Matjaz Rives: true, true

Wol Euler smiles.

Matjaz Rives: self-punative

Wol Euler nods.

Matjaz Rives: If I could do better I would do better

Wol Euler nods.

Matjaz Rives: Do the best you can and forget about it

Wol Euler: yep

Matjaz Rives: You're not okay, and I'm not okay, but that's okay.

Matjaz Rives: hehe

Wol Euler: above all, don't beat yourself up about it. That serves nobody well.

Matjaz Rives: some sayings

Wol Euler: one last pause

Wol Euler: coming up

--BELL--

Wol Euler: and with that, I must go

Matjaz Rives: me too

Wol Euler: it was good to see you again, matjaz

Matjaz Rives: likewise

Wol Euler: good luck with the judo

Matjaz Rives: you have a good one

Matjaz Rives: thanks

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