2012.02.27 19:00 - Genuine Heart of Sadness

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.


    Bleu Oleander: hi Sam :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Hiya Bleu ! Lila ! :)
    Bleu Oleander: hi Lila, Storm :)
    Lila Darkmatter: Hi Bleu, oO0Oo, Storm :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Storm :)
    Storm Nordwind: Hi all. :)
    oO0Oo Resident: before i forget... um...
    oO0Oo Resident: I love you all :)
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you Sam. The feeling is mutual :)
    Lila Darkmatter: *loves you all* too
    Storm Nordwind: A great way to put Riddle's email into immediate action.
    Bleu Oleander: aww Sam how lovely of you to say that ... love you all also!
    Pema Pera: Hi there, everybody! So sorry to be late . . . . not used to having my session on Monday evening rather than Saturday evening . . . . my apologies!
    Bleu Oleander: hi Pema :)
    Lila Darkmatter: Hi Pema :)
    Storm Nordwind: Good evening Pema :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Welcome Pema :) gtsy
    Pema Pera: same here, Sam!
    Pema Pera: and thank you again, Bleu and Storm for your happy-in !
    oO0Oo Resident: :))))
    Storm Nordwind smiles widely
    Bleu Oleander: yw! :))
    Bleu Oleander: my pleasure!
    Storm Nordwind: Lots of great contributions, and great to see so many people at the opening discussion
    Pema Pera: yes!
    Bleu Oleander: yes :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Was nice.. :)
    Pema Pera: I've been wondering about the connection between certain artistic forms of sadness, like blues music, and happiness . . . .
    Pema Pera: every culture has forms of that
    Storm Nordwind: There seems to many other non-happiness genres. I remember the rage of the protest songs.
    Pema Pera: yes, but that is very different, more distant from happiness, I feel
    Pema Pera: blues, on the contrary, is a form of happiness, in a different guise, or so I feel it
    Pema Pera: hi Ewan
    Lila Darkmatter: Hi Ewan :)
    Pema Pera: complementary perhaps
    Bleu Oleander: I know many happy blues artists
    Pema Pera: yes, just watching BB King playing, even in his eighties!
    Bleu Oleander: hi Ewan
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Ewan :)
    Storm Nordwind: I also remember the early 20th century classical composers who often made bleakness into a thing of great beauty.
    Pema Pera: sadness can be bittersweet -- and then the English word "sad" doesn't fit too well
    Storm Nordwind is a blues guitarist... retired I guess!
    Pema Pera: the Portugueses "saudade" is perhaps more fitting and more interesting
    Pema Pera: you sure strike me as happy, Storm!
    Lila Darkmatter: :)
    Storm Nordwind: haha!
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Ewan Bonham: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Storm Nordwind: I think the only PaB person who can tell whether my music is happy was genesis. She heard me jamming with her father in CA
    Pema Pera: oh, how nice!
    Pema Pera: what did you play?
    Storm Nordwind: I played one of his many electrics. He laid down a rhythm and I improvised over the top. Wonderful afternoon in their house by the ocean
    Bleu Oleander: sounds fun!
    Storm Nordwind: Then we went on to the Santa Cruz retreat :)
    Pema Pera: great!
    Lila Darkmatter: no jamming in Vashon?
    Storm Nordwind: Oh... yes I forgot about that!
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: the jam spreads
    Storm Nordwind has a memory like a ...er .. one of those things with holes in it... what do you call it
    oO0Oo Resident: reality?
    Lila Darkmatter laughs
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Bleu Oleander: haha!
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: <3
    Pema Pera: we're jamming, it seems :-)
    Storm Nordwind: Yes I jammed with Riddle in Vashon. It all floods back now.
    oO0Oo Resident: me feels waves of happiness
    Lila Darkmatter: I remembered Luci's image of rowboat full of guitars on her way to retreat, or something... hah
    Pema Pera: hi Camilla!
    Pema Pera: and hi Tess!
    Lila Darkmatter: Hi Camilla and Tess :)
    Storm Nordwind: When I left the UK I gave all my music equipment away: guitars, amps, speakers.
    Tess Aristocrat: hello :)
    Bleu Oleander: hi Tess
    Pema Pera getting an image of a Mexican band :-)
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Camila.. Tess :)
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Ewan Bonham: Hi Camilaand Tess...:)
    Bleu Oleander: hi Camilla
    Storm Nordwind: Sorry Pema... got carried away and usurped your thoughts: "[19:19] Pema Pera: I've been wondering about the connection between certain artistic forms of sadness, like blues music, and happiness . . . ."
    Tess Aristocrat: comiseration
    Pema Pera: Camilla, feel free to join us here in the circle, if you like!
    Pema Pera: yeah, I was just wondering :-)
    Tess Aristocrat: :)
    Pema Pera: sadness can be associated with loss, but perhaps in there are other shades of happiness too . . . hard to express in words
    Lila Darkmatter: sharing burdens/humanity ...happily? :)
    Tess Aristocrat: mmhmm
    Camilla Mannonen: ㋡ ☆*¨¨*:•.•:*¨* hallo hello hi holla *¨¨*:•.•:*¨*☆ ㋡ 
    Ewan Bonham: Survival..
    Tess Aristocrat: a feeling that you're not alone
    Pema Pera: Camille, we get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki http://wiki.playasbeing.org/ -- We record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs?
    Ewan Bonham: Resilience
    Camilla Mannonen: no its okay, im a big talker, but like to listen
    Pema Pera: thank you, Camilla!
    Pema Pera: I'm still groping for words
    Pema Pera: sadness can come with a kind of resignation
    Pema Pera: that can be either a form of hopelessness
    Ewan Bonham: Bittersweet
    Pema Pera: or it can be finding a key to discover happiness everywhere
    Pema Pera: after the path to perceived happiness has been cut off
    Pema Pera: unexpected small happinesses may pop up everywhere
    Pema Pera: in fact, many blues song texts testify to that
    oO0Oo Resident: invitation to authentic presence
    Pema Pera: yes!
    Storm Nordwind: Sadness is a very powerful creative force for many artists
    Tess Aristocrat: Its a balance is what it is
    Lila Darkmatter: "genuine heart of sadness" in shambhala terms
    Pema Pera nods
    Tess Aristocrat: for even if you go to a funeral, you'll at some part find people laughing
    Ewan Bonham: Sweet Recollections..
    Pema Pera: certainly after the funeral, in all cases I've seen
    Tess Aristocrat: yes
    Tess Aristocrat: now, do you wonder why?
    Ewan Bonham: Funerals- a chance to feel endearment forthe lost one..
    Pema Pera: a sense of balance, intuitively, perhaps
    Tess Aristocrat: They've got to rebalance themselves
    Tess Aristocrat: yes
    Pema Pera: yes
    Pema Pera: but it may be more than adjustment, it can just be natural expressions of innate balance
    Pema Pera: already there
    Pema Pera: never left
    Tess Aristocrat: nods
    Ewan Bonham: Recognition that the lost one still lives inside of us..
    Tess Aristocrat: makes me think of the old 'for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction'
    Pema Pera: ten years ago, a young physicist in his twenties suddenly died from a heart attack, overnight, completely unexpected, at the research institute where I work. A day later, his parents, farmers in Germany, flew over. The first thing I did is go out with the father to a bar to have a beer. It was the natural thing to do (also, I grew up in a farm village, not far from where he lived, just across the border in Holland)
    oO0Oo Resident listens
    Pema Pera: (that's it)
    Ewan Bonham: Was the beer good tasting, Pema?
    Pema Pera: well, it was the atmosphere
    Ewan Bonham: Smile
    Camilla Mannonen: Where I work, theres death when you least expect it. The hardest thing is to look at the individuals eyes and know it.
    Camilla Mannonen: know that, theres nothing else to do.
    Pema Pera: can you say more, Camilla?
    Camilla Mannonen: You are expected to do your job day in and day out. and go home and act like you didnt just experience someone dying
    Camilla Mannonen: wondering was there anything else i could do.. or could have done to make this person b alive right now.
    Camilla Mannonen: i have many ppl looks
    Camilla Mannonen: in my mind... that event talking about it i can remember.
    Tess Aristocrat: but..you did all you could do
    Camilla Mannonen: Did I?
    Camilla Mannonen: how would we ever know...
    Camilla Mannonen: yet.. you would never know or thing that i just had somenes mother in my hands, trying to save her.. because thats just what's expected of us.
    Pema Pera: did you work in a hospital, Camilla?
    Camilla Mannonen: yes
    Lila Darkmatter: so you learn to live with a certain measure of self-doubt daily....
    Camilla Mannonen: yes
    Lila Darkmatter: perhaps why those in the medical profession tend to have darker senses of humor
    Camilla Mannonen: ohh Yes :)
    Camilla Mannonen: we have to..
    Camilla Mannonen: theres no way i could live life... with out it..
    oO0Oo Resident: balances
    Lila Darkmatter: understandable, yes
    Storm Nordwind: And in airline training - working in designed flight simulators - very dark humor there. But also light-hearted too.
    Lila Darkmatter: oh my, can imagine there too
    Camilla Mannonen: yes..
    Storm Nordwind: I can image that all first responders / emergency services must do this. I guess it's a survival mechanism for them
    Storm Nordwind: Amazingly it's never disrespectful.
    oO0Oo Resident: Soldiers... Survivors.. prisoners...
    Pema Pera nods
    Lila Darkmatter nods
    Camilla Mannonen: yes, our humor is very difficult to explain. because sometimes... you can just look at us and think. Who.. really?>
    Camilla Mannonen: wow*
    Storm Nordwind: It touched me for 4 years because the machines I built were flown by pilots, some of whom I knew, and some of whom flew others to their deaths.
    Pema Pera: what kind of machines, Storm?
    Storm Nordwind: Flight simulators for large commercial aircraft.
    Pema Pera: ah!
    Pema Pera: we have covered a very large terrain today, starting from happiness, going to sadness, and beyond . . . .
    Lila Darkmatter: :)
    Pema Pera: Glad to see you all here this evening!
    Lila Darkmatter: holding both open in some way... and beyond too :)
    oO0Oo Resident contemplates if there is an analogous PaB sense of humour, while anticipating the sound of the bell.. the decline of the fountain, the mist upon the waters, the illumination of the red ring... the stars of Southern Cross flashed thrice, the vibration of the tatami mats, the call of the Sirens, the releasing of the balloons and doves...
    Tess Aristocrat: with that said I'll bid you all goodnight :)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: I'll sleep on that, Sam! :)
    Bleu Oleander: nite all ... take care :)
    Camilla Mannonen: :)
    Bleu Oleander: bye everyone
    Camilla Mannonen: ciao
    oO0Oo Resident: <3 All and everyone
    Lila Darkmatter: Night Pema, Tess, Bleu
    Camilla Mannonen: how often are these secions
    oO0Oo Resident: 4 times each day Camilla 7 AM * PM 1 AM & PM
    Storm Nordwind: They are every 6 hours, at 1am. 7am, 1pm and 7pm
    Storm Nordwind: That's all Second Life Time
    Lila Darkmatter: that is food for thought, oO0Oo
    Camilla Mannonen: and you guys just sit around and talk about life?
    Lila Darkmatter: :)
    Lila Darkmatter: sometimes we dance about it too
    Camilla Mannonen: :)
    Camilla Mannonen: i need to find mening in mine.. feel so lost and alone and need God in my life.
    Storm Nordwind: We're here originally because of the "Play as Being" project. You can read about it on our website http://wiki.playasbeing.org/
    Storm Nordwind: It's nearly 4 years since we started.
    Lila Darkmatter: diverse and curious group
    Camilla Mannonen: ohh k
    oO0Oo Resident: Also, you can click on the box behind me for a notecard Camilla :)
    Camilla Mannonen: ty
    Lila Darkmatter feels lost sometimes too... maybe rich ground
    oO0Oo Resident: Just being in a circle of people .. when feeling lost and alone.. can be very supportive.. PaB has been that for me so many times :)
    Lila Darkmatter nods... me too
    Lila Darkmatter: Thanks for visiting Camilla
    Camilla Mannonen: ohh thank you :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Nice to meet you Camilla !
    Camilla Mannonen: same here :) ciao everyone, and thanks
    Lila Darkmatter waves
    Storm Nordwind waves
    oO0Oo Resident: 〜waves〜
    oO0Oo Resident: ☻/
    oO0Oo Resident: /▌
    oO0Oo Resident: / \ 
    Lila Darkmatter: :)
    Lila Darkmatter wonders what storm is working on
    oO0Oo Resident imagines Storm performing Reiki on the universe
    Storm Nordwind looks around innocently ;-)
    Lila Darkmatter smiles
    Storm Nordwind: Wow Sam - what an image :))
    Lila Darkmatter: nice to be with you all tonight
    Storm Nordwind: You too Lila!
    oO0Oo Resident: :) Lila
    Lila Darkmatter: :) ty, Night
    oO0Oo Resident: Will be on my way.. as well. Thank you. Storm, Ewan :)
    Storm Nordwind will retire too.
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you Sam :))
    Ewan Bonham: Bye ooo...will do the same...:)
    oO0Oo Resident: Bye.. Best wishes

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