2012.02.28 19:00 - stillness the sound comes from

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.

    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Raffila

    Raffila Millgrove: Hello Eos. just "raffi" is fine.
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Raffila Millgrove: how are you today?
    Eos Amaterasu: I'm fine, end of a long one
    Eos Amaterasu: et tu?
    Raffila Millgrove: crash reports. been trying to read them.. to find out why i keep going down.
    Eos Amaterasu: been having lots of down time myself....
    Eos Amaterasu: (SL)
    Raffila Millgrove: happens in the same place..same event. but i cannot see in crash report anything related to that.
    Raffila Millgrove: least.. you get huge appreciation for how complex .. Sl really is--when you read those reports.
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm, I've never done that
    Raffila Millgrove: they run pages.
    Eos Amaterasu: snowcrash
    Raffila Millgrove: just a log in--so many things happening in background. as the world and your avi is being built.
    Eos Amaterasu contemplates the last 14 billion years

    Raffila Millgrove: lol
    Raffila Millgrove: yes.
    Eos Amaterasu: I lost parts of my body, recently... it's been a trying time :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: (in SL)
    Raffila Millgrove: oh wow. nasty. i was just thinking how human body.. saw a drawing of how bird parts are in us--when you said the billion yrs thing.
    Raffila Millgrove: we have little vestiges of bird bits in us.
    Eos Amaterasu peers into herself
    Eos Amaterasu: we've walked from one adjacent possible to another
    Raffila Millgrove: i wonder if we fly in dreams cuase our body has the little birdy bits.
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm
    Eos Amaterasu: good question
    Raffila Millgrove: personally i love flying in sl.. and in dreams.
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, that was one of the things that struck me about SL
    Eos Amaterasu: you could fly in it just like in dreams
    Raffila Millgrove: also i like to jump off high places here. i built a platform that is so high .. it takes long time to hit the grhound.
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Storm
    Storm Nordwind: Hi both
    Raffila Millgrove greets Storm.
    Eos Amaterasu: we were wondering why we fly in dreams
    Eos Amaterasu: (why did the chicken fly in dreams?)
    Raffila Millgrove: i suggested maybe the bird bits in us.. (supposedy we have vestiges of birds in the human body)
    Storm Nordwind: Haha Eos. Just because it's fun?
    Eos Amaterasu: feels that way!
    Storm Nordwind: I never dream I'm swimming underwater, though I'm sure if there are bird bits in us there are also fish bits
    Eos Amaterasu: I think I've dreamed of being underwater....
    Raffila Millgrove: oh i swim in dreams! i swim long distance here in sl too. love swimming.


    Raffila Millgrove: underwater. no breathing needed.
    Storm Nordwind will just relog to free some cpu loading. brb
    Eos Amaterasu: How do you feel about your birdiness, Raffi?
    Raffila Millgrove: i love birds.. have many in my garden.. so birdiness. good by me.
    Raffila Millgrove: i plant bushes that butterflies/birds like. huge number here.
    Raffila Millgrove: esp hummingbirds. 3-4 varieties come.
    Eos Amaterasu: I pay attention to the birds in my vicinity, and where I walk
    Raffila Millgrove: their hum.. it's so loud. surprising for tiny bird.
    Storm Nordwind: It was only less than a year ago I saw a humming bird for the first time
    Raffila Millgrove: oh aren't they amazing. i feed them. they come here all year..
    Raffila Millgrove: took me ages to finally photo one. hard to photo.
    Storm Nordwind: I think of all the British birds, I only miss the blackbird here. The song of the blackbird is amazing.
    Raffila Millgrove: oh? i will have to find one on the net. to hear it.
    Eos Amaterasu: (or the Beatles :-)
    Storm Nordwind: Very versatile and lyrical... like the Beatles
    Storm Nordwind learnt to fly but never to swim underwater ;)
    Eos Amaterasu: in dreams?
    Raffila Millgrove: http://www.birdjam.com/birdsong.php?id=25
    Storm Nordwind: I learnt to fly in waking life
    Storm Nordwind clicks
    Storm Nordwind: That's not a blackbird, no
    Storm Nordwind: Awful thing!
    Eos Amaterasu: Red-winged Blackbird
    Eos Amaterasu: different songs?
    Storm Nordwind: ugly sound
    Storm Nordwind: and small bird
    Raffila Millgrove: ah. it was pretty i thought.
    Raffila Millgrove: you like a different blackbird?
    Raffila Millgrove goes to look for a more black blacbird.
    Storm Nordwind: Turdus merula
    Storm Nordwind: www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWeusAm_V8c  <= play this one
    Eos Amaterasu: yes :-)
    Raffila Millgrove: oh that is pretty! thank you Storm.
    Eos Amaterasu: that sense of stillness the sound comes from
    Storm Nordwind: You're welcome. Haven't heard one since 2009


    Eos Amaterasu: adjacent possibles of sound created by those of beak and throat and lungs....
    Eos Amaterasu: we are such sensorimotor ratios
    Raffila Millgrove: Storm i have a question for you.
    Storm Nordwind: Please go ahead. I can't promise an intelligible answer but I'll try!
    Raffila Millgrove: Do you remember when i was asking about the Happiness exhibit? and you told me.. what the requirements for Guardian were in IM. could you repeat that for me?
    Storm Nordwind: Copying it from IM, I said " You need rezzing rights on PaB land to enter an exhibit. Only PaB guardians have rezzing rights, sorry. However the rules for this exhibition are 1 texture only, no scripts, no particles, limitless colors and 100 prims max."
    Raffila Millgrove: haha. thanks. no i meant i thought you after that.. said what the requirements to be a guardian were.
    Storm Nordwind: Ah...
    Storm Nordwind: The requirements...
    Storm Nordwind: Interest in PaB
    Storm Nordwind: Wishing to be a guardian and keeping the peace if ever necessary
    Storm Nordwind: And an invitation
    Storm Nordwind: What am I missing Eos?
    Eos Amaterasu: it's an interesting question: what is a guardian about?
    Raffila Millgrove: ok. thanks. i must have either talked to someone else.. or have my.. facts mixed up.. because i thought someone mention a timeline.. like so much time has been already spent in the group as friend.
    Raffila Millgrove: this could just be me.
    Storm Nordwind: Yes I think there's a normal time for attending... I should know...
    Eos Amaterasu: there's a certain kind of space here, that's worth being in, worth sharing, and role of a guardian is to be that way, and to hold that space with care.....
    Storm Nordwind: But your memory is the second thing that goes as you get older!
    Eos Amaterasu: hold for others as well as oneself
    Raffila Millgrove: some said.. "x amount of time" . i am pretty sure.
    Eos Amaterasu: that would be my vision of it, something like that
    Storm Nordwind: You are probably right Raffi - I really should know
    Eos Amaterasu: actually I don't think there's any fixed time
    Raffila Millgrove: it's not a big deal at all. it's just that i like my facts straight and i know i heard different versions of the same fact.
    Eos Amaterasu: it's when everyone nods and says okay, and the person says okay
    Storm Nordwind: I think Eos is right, It's not written stone I think
    Raffila Millgrove: Eos.. i heard that too.
    Eos Amaterasu: what would inspire you, Raffila (re being a guardian)?
    Eos Amaterasu: Raffi
    Storm Nordwind meanwhile reruns the blackbird song :)
    Raffila Millgrove: me personally. i just spent four years serving as staff on a sim.. big responsbility. so right now.. i am laying back and using that freed up time to explore different .. groups/experiences.
    Raffila Millgrove: but.....
    Storm Nordwind sympathizes
    Raffila Millgrove: in reading the logs. i notice that Friends and Guardian.. two tier system. and the friends are sort of second class that is observation. only. I feel i have been treated very first class.
    Eos Amaterasu: Friends was a more recent innovation
    Storm Nordwind: You give in first class fashion Raffi!
    Eos Amaterasu: basically a way to stay in touch with people who weren't or didn't want to be guardians but were/are connected to PaB
    Raffila Millgrove nods.
    Eos Amaterasu: PaB is a "strange attractor"
    Raffila Millgrove: lol
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Raffila Millgrove: well one thing i love. about PAB is the willingness of people to be free... and play. so few people will eat here but other night.. we had super eating fest.


    Raffila Millgrove: no morning. we had popcorn, bananas and STeak for breakfast!
    Eos Amaterasu: were you in the Argentine jungle?
    Raffila Millgrove: (bell)
    Raffila Millgrove: hehe. no we were right here at PAB and suddenly eating .. all that stuff.
    Eos Amaterasu: PaB is the pop in the corn, the a in bananas, the sizzle in steak
    Raffila Millgrove: that steak was one of the best eating animations/objects i ever saw here.
    Raffila Millgrove: so even tho you guys like to contemplate the navel a lot, I sure was thrilled by everyone eating together.
    Eos Amaterasu: Hmm, interesting, I have a friend who is an artisanal cheese maker, and wants to do things with that in SL
    Storm Nordwind: You'd probably like some of the productions we've done in the Molecule theater too. Great fun!
    Eos Amaterasu: Spectacular!
    Eos Amaterasu: even the gods show up :-)
    Raffila Millgrove: oh great! i look forward.
    Raffila Millgrove: maybe your friend could do a farm where they make cheese. and visitors could do it.
    Raffila Millgrove: is it goat cheese, sheep. cow? what kind does she/he make?
    Eos Amaterasu: yeah, I'll check in with him and get the SLURL
    Eos Amaterasu: I think all those
    Eos Amaterasu: listening to what the milk wants to become
    Raffila Millgrove: wow really? that's rare. usually they only do one.
    Eos Amaterasu: he's creating a database of the oral traditions around particular cheeses
    Raffila Millgrove: one animal i mean. not one cheese.
    Eos Amaterasu: anyway, a mouth-watering SL possibility
    Raffila Millgrove: yes!
    Eos Amaterasu: I think it's mainly cow, as I recall
    Eos Amaterasu: the approach is very interesting, a kind of dialog with the epigenetics of the would-be cheese
    Eos Amaterasu: (almost like psychotherapy if cheese R us)
    Raffila Millgrove: In biology, and specifically genetics, epigenetics is the study of heritable changes in gene expression or cellular phenotype caused by mechanisms other than changes in the underlying DNA sequence – hence the name epi- (Greek: επί- over, above, outer) -genetics. It refers to functionally relevant modifications to the genome that do not involve a change in the nucleotide sequence. Examples of such changes are DNA methylation and histone deacetylation, both of which serve to suppress gene expression without altering the sequence of the silenced genes.
    Eos Amaterasu: Yeah, the organism invokes its own genes, knowing what's ahead that's good for it, so to speak
    Raffila Millgrove: ok.
    Raffila Millgrove: wow that is heavy stuff to me. i gotta ask my daughter who is the scientist.. what the means.
    Raffila Millgrove: she is good at explaining.
    Eos Amaterasu: There's a great article I read on that (digging around for it....)
    Raffila Millgrove: so this milk. would already "know" what kind if cheese it would be happiest as...
    Raffila Millgrove: it would tell the maker somehow--"i want to be swiss cheese"?
    Eos Amaterasu: depending on every possible circumstance
    Eos Amaterasu: "you can't bite into the same cheese twice"
    Raffila Millgrove: what?
    Raffila Millgrove can bite the same cheese as long as it lasts til it's eaten.
    Raffila Millgrove: oh you mean each cheese tastes really different. even if same variety?
    Eos Amaterasu: the cheesemaker goes with the flow of detecting where the cheese wants to go, but every year is different, every milk is different, etc
    Eos Amaterasu: (this is the pre-homogenized world)
    Raffila Millgrove: yes. each animals milk.. has unique tastes if you can figure out.
    Eos Amaterasu: like blackbird songs
    Raffila Millgrove: depends on what they eat. how they process. raw milk is so.. good.
    Storm Nordwind: Sounds like my cooking too
    Eos Amaterasu: la difference vive
    Storm Nordwind: ride the tide
    Raffila Millgrove: i think i said swiss because.. i used to go as little girl to Wisconsin Dells where they let you go into watch the cheese making process up close.
    Raffila Millgrove: interesting as a kid to find out where the holes come from.
    Storm Nordwind: very little men pretending to be mice
    Raffila Millgrove: hehe
    Eos Amaterasu: you're not supposed to eat the holes
    Eos Amaterasu: but they end up gone anyway!
    Storm Nordwind: I find the holes melt faster when you grill it
    Raffila Millgrove: lol


    Eos Amaterasu: http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/getting-over-the-code-delusion
    Eos Amaterasu: amazing article on epigenetics
    Storm Nordwind must excuse himself. Blessings dear friends!
    Eos Amaterasu: must also disappear into the midnight
    Eos Amaterasu: was nice to spend this session with you, Raffi
    Raffila Millgrove: me too. the hour went so fast!
    Raffila Millgrove: bye Eos.
    Eos Amaterasu: bye!

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