2012.05.13 19:00 - Facing, Finding, Order, Chaos

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.

    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Cal, Para
    Paradise Tennant: hiya stev ..cal ;)
    stevenaia Michinaga: there was a grifter here earlier as a vampire, very annoying, had to ban him
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi, para, stev, cal .. :)
    Paradise Tennant: hmm we hardly ever get grief
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods, but he was parasitic
    Calvino Rabeni: oh?
    stevenaia Michinaga: needed to bite me sort of thing, hoping I bored him to death
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: well you do look tasty stev could hardly blame him
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, but eventually you have your fill
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Paradise Tennant: you let him bite you ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I can live with a taste, not a meal
    stevenaia Michinaga: no idea, just booted him as he was attached to me, would not let go
    Paradise Tennant: ahh we missed all the excitement lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: moved very fast, dificult to select to ban him
    stevenaia Michinaga: but when seated he couldn't attached himself to me so he left when I wondered into another sim
    Calvino Rabeni: sounds like a mosquito
    Paradise Tennant: well likely would starve if he was slow this is making me giggle
    stevenaia Michinaga: very much so, it was a bit tormenting for a bit
    Paradise Tennant: it is always interesting how our little cartoons are an extension of ourselves and as such have their own little personal spaces :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: like being grabbed ahold of by a rabid animal
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    Paradise Tennant: we could talk of things that drain us :) it seems to be the topic opening :) unless you had a theme cal ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: Aph was suggesting judgements fo the weeks theme but may be the same :)
    Calvino Rabeni: That sounds like a good theme
    Calvino Rabeni: better than what I had in mind
    Calvino Rabeni: "why cats eat your earbuds"
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: that is an interesting one too :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps they remind them of toes, which they also eat
    Calvino Rabeni: and earplugs
    Paradise Tennant: why my dog scratches the floor when he is happy is something .. I would like a deeper understanding of :)
    Calvino Rabeni: any small morsel will do
    Paradise Tennant: actually they are just letting you know you should buy proper earphones earbuds hurt your hearing :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: does what drains us relate to our judgements?

    Paradise Tennant: yes our attachments our circle thoughts very much I think if we drop there is not much that can drain you
    Calvino Rabeni: or energize you
    Calvino Rabeni: ?
    Calvino Rabeni: then you're disconnected from the energy flow of life going through?
    Paradise Tennant: hmm don't you think there is lots that can energize you ? even if you drop
    Paradise Tennant: because what you are dropping is the loops .. what in fact take you away from the flow
    Calvino Rabeni: Draining seems to mean, slowly decreasing energy
    stevenaia Michinaga: I see it as meaning r interfearing with balance
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: What if we compare it to the idea of "stress" .. does that turn out to be similar?
    Paradise Tennant: hmm stress is so subjective .. it is a byproduct of how we compose our thoughts
    Calvino Rabeni: Balance there might mean, a natural equilibrium that is dynamic, not fixed
    Calvino Rabeni: stress seems to me, like draining, to incorporate divided loyalties
    sCalvino Rabeni: for instance, desire combined with fear, leading to neither engagement, nor withdrawal and separation
    tevenaia Michinaga: nods, to much draining ot to much energy
    stevenaia Michinaga: this recent grifter created moments of stress for me, could not grab him to ban him, could not go anywhere with him "buzzing" around me, took much time to rebalance
    Paradise Tennant: gives stev a hug unpleasant when someone attacks you
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you speak of being frozen of sorts, Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: double-weighted in tai chi metaphor
    Paradise Tennant: ahh not one footed !
    Calvino Rabeni: frozen might be one of two things, either conflicting energies that balance and deadlock, or something like the energy plug being disconnected
    Calvino Rabeni: these would be different experiences of non-movement
    stevenaia Michinaga: which do you speak of?
    stevenaia Michinaga: "neither engagement nor withdrawal and separation"
    Calvino Rabeni: I'd guess that would be draining to be maintaining divided and conflicting energies
    Calvino Rabeni: like having the accelerator and the brake on at the same time in a car
    Calvino Rabeni: but interestingly that's what planes do before they need to take off
    Calvino Rabeni: it's useful sometimes
    Calvino Rabeni: but when protracted, it gets draining
    Paradise Tennant: yes or facing situations you cannot fix or offer substantive help .. to
    stevenaia Michinaga: to overcome inertia
    Calvino Rabeni: yes (to both)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: I think you need to take a blank page to things
    Paradise Tennant: to parts of yourself parts of your life parts of your work
    Calvino Rabeni: that would help under some conditions wouldn't it?
    Paradise Tennant: and start over or at the very least revisit
    Paradise Tennant: if you don't parse back and reexamine you can get stuck
    Calvino Rabeni: sleep is a good way to do that :)
    Calvino Rabeni: start over every morning fresh
    Calvino Rabeni: meditation can do the same
    Calvino Rabeni: maybe even better
    Paradise Tennant: sleep is good :) always find when I am my most troubled will just let it go and go to bed and it always looks so different in the morning
    Calvino Rabeni: nods

    stevenaia Michinaga: I think I have become more inspired from sleep than meditation, but I do tend to sleep more
    Paradise Tennant: will often wake up in the middle of the nite with an answer
    Paradise Tennant: funny how it percolates through your brain
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: and often that goes on when waking in the morning
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice to know it keeps working on things in the background
    Paradise Tennant: yes like background computing
    Paradise Tennant: or accessing
    Calvino Rabeni: yes, sleeping has a problem solving function
    Paradise Tennant: think the answers are always there it is just triggering the right synapse
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: there are always many answers, just a matter of agreeing which is acceptable to you
    Calvino Rabeni: "To sleep on it" could be an instruction from the stories of Chuang Tzu
    stevenaia Michinaga: agreeing with ...yourself
    Calvino Rabeni: Like the saying .. a sculptor, I forget who .. that the form is inside the block of marble, all one needs to do is be able to see it and slowly remove the other parts of the block
    Paradise Tennant: Rodin
    Calvino Rabeni: thanks
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I think there's a parallel Taoist story
    Calvino Rabeni: probably involving wood instead of stone

    The Woodcarver

    Khing, the master carver, made a bell stand
    Of precious wood. When it was finished,
    All who saw it were astounded. They said it must be
    The work of spirits.
    The Prince of Lu said to the master carver:
    "What is your secret?"

    Khing replied: "I am only a workman:
    I have no secret. There is only this:
    When I began to think about the work you commanded
    I guarded my spirit, did not expend it
    On trifles, that were not to the point.
    I fasted in order to set
    My heart at rest.
    After three days fasting,
    I had forgotten gain and success.
    After five days
    I had forgotten praise or criticism.
    After seven days
    I had forgotten my body
    With all its limbs.

    "By this time all thought of your Highness
    And of the court had faded away.
    All that might distract me from the work
    Had vanished.
    I was collected in the single thought
    Of the bell stand.

    "Then I went to the forest
    To see the trees in their own natural state.
    When the right tree appeared before my eyes,
    The bell stand also appeared in it, clearly, beyond doubt.
    All I had to do was to put forth my hand
    and begin.

    "If I had not met this particular tree
    There would have been
    No bell stand at all.

    "What happened?
    My own collected thought
    Encountered the hidden potential in the wood;
    From this live encounter came the work
    Which you ascribe to the spirits."

    -- The Way of Chuang Tzu, translated by Thomas Merton

    stevenaia Michinaga: An infinite number of "solutions" reside inside a stone
    stevenaia Michinaga: Rodin's are just a bit nicer
    Calvino Rabeni: it seems like that technique actually requires the existence a wealth of conflicting knowledge "within"
    Calvino Rabeni: as a metaphor for the mind/soul
    Calvino Rabeni: the same conditions that structure stress and draining
    stevenaia Michinaga: ponders conflict between mind and soul, how are you defining soul?
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: listens carefuly :)))
    Calvino Rabeni: As the parts and pattern of ourselves we find un-definable ! :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: (in the next 20 minutes)
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: That's it :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Paradise Tennant: I will venture it is our doorway :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: nods
    Paradise Tennant: that opens to beyond
    Calvino Rabeni: A lot of it - stress or insight - isn't truly "within" - depends on ... expresses, actually, one's relationships to something ... a connection between "internal" and "external"
    Calvino Rabeni: For instance I might read a news article about an anti-american demonstration ... fill in your "country" or your group-of-identification in that slot ...
    Calvino Rabeni: so it doesn't mean much .. I've heard it all before perhaps
    Calvino Rabeni: but then, a close friend speaks of a friend having those sentiments, and it gets a lot closer, comes into meaningfulness
    Calvino Rabeni: and then I feel a pinch, a pain
    Calvino Rabeni: because it's in my near social field
    Calvino Rabeni: because that person a friend of a friend, potentially a friend
    Calvino Rabeni: I would have a desire to be liked by
    Calvino Rabeni: and their attitude prejudices that

    Paradise Tennant: so what pinches you .. relates to connectedness
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Ewan
    Paradise Tennant: but if you expand that we are all connected so there is universal pinch going on :)
    Paradise Tennant: hiya ewan :)
    Calvino Rabeni nods ... the ground beneath alienation is belonging
    Ewan Bonham: Hi Folks..
    Calvino Rabeni: not sure ...
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Ewan
    Calvino Rabeni: the univesal pinch, hmmm
    Paradise Tennant: we are talking of what drains us . what constitutes our soul ;) ....
    Calvino Rabeni: does it help to be more differentiated?
    Calvino Rabeni: could it lead to a pan-en-theistic sense of things?
    Calvino Rabeni: or to a loss of a feeling of sacredness
    Paradise Tennant: sigh and has to google panentheistic
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: means, god in every physical thing universally
    Calvino Rabeni: in the particulars
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: divine throughout
    Paradise Tennant: sort of boils down to "all good "
    Calvino Rabeni: it's the experience william blake spoke of
    stevenaia Michinaga: :) less draining when all is good
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: well one tastedness
    Paradise Tennant: so what we consider bad is not so bad
    Calvino Rabeni: I meant, maybe, what Blake meant by
    Calvino Rabeni: "To see a world in a grain of sand, And a heaven in a wild flower, Hold infinity in the palm of your hand, And eternity in an hour"
    Paradise Tennant: smiles that is something to dream on isn't it :)
    Calvino Rabeni: There is an aspect of "unrequited love" too in that situation of draining
    Paradise Tennant: to quote to yourself in the bath .. or under the stars :)) while doing laundry or eating ice cream
    Paradise Tennant: hmm thinks true love is so in abundance there cannot be anything unrequited about it :) it is all embracing :)
    Paradise Tennant: it is the fundamental flow
    Paradise Tennant: we are its creation
    Calvino Rabeni: The bite of ice cream was "heavenly"
    Calvino Rabeni: Or the clean laundry, the surfaces shiny and bright, everything with a bit of spiritual glow
    Calvino Rabeni: it must be a more advanced awareness practice to love the dust, the clutter
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: or just to be one with it :)
    Calvino Rabeni: perhaps that's a case of divided loyalties
    Calvino Rabeni: embracing chaos
    Paradise Tennant: I think order and chaos both have appeal they both engage you
    Calvino Rabeni: (snap occurrence)
    Paradise Tennant: there is a creativity in .. chaos
    stevenaia Michinaga: both can be appriciated for that they offer
    Calvino Rabeni: a generativity
    Paradise Tennant: yes life is meant to be messy there is no getting around it
    Calvino Rabeni: chaos is a mirror, showing the edges within oneself, the me / not me lines
    Calvino Rabeni: rather than an objective configuration
    Calvino Rabeni: chaos could be a label for seeing outside the I
    Calvino Rabeni: don't many things have two faces like that?

    stevenaia Michinaga: chaos is what it is, to be accepted, order is usually made
    Paradise Tennant: smiles time for me to say thank you and good nite .. getting sleepy :) time to dream of eternity in an hour and hold infinity in my hand :)))
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Para
    stevenaia Michinaga: I should be off as well, very sleepie
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite namaste my friends :)))
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Ewan, Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Good night Para :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Stev, and Ewan
    Calvino Rabeni: I like that statement stev made before leaving...there's a lot in it
    Calvino Rabeni: "chaos is what it is, to be accepted, order is usually made"
    Calvino Rabeni: it suggests, something of the gist of the Woodcarver story, about the process of coming into relationship with what is, of participating with it, is what makes chaos into order, and not necessarily by physically changing its external state...rather regarding relation and ritual than regulation and rearrangement.

    RRRRRR :)



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    What a beautiful session and story. Thank you. _/ \_
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