2012.08.12 19:00 - Sea Travel

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    1. 1. A Metaphoric Journey

    The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.

    Alfred Kelberry: mr cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Hey how's it go, mighty pirate?
    Alfred Kelberry: fine
    Alfred Kelberry: got here for a min
    Alfred Kelberry: expected 7 pm to be crowdy
    Calvino Rabeni: oh it varies
    Calvino Rabeni: what's new..?
    Calvino Rabeni: today perhaps people have melted
    Calvino Rabeni: or finally ventured out into the cooler night
    Alfred Kelberry: it is your session time?

    Calvino Rabeni: Aye
    Alfred Kelberry: guardian duty :)
    Calvino Rabeni: would you like to take this session slot for a month or so?
    Alfred Kelberry: no, thank you
    Alfred Kelberry: i don't host sessions
    Calvino Rabeni: on principle?
    Alfred Kelberry: at first, the slots were filled and busy. then it changed. i don't see a point in hosting now. unless it's a prepared theme session.
    Alfred Kelberry: para! :)
    Paradise Tennant: hiya alfred cal :)))
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi, Para :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Have you considered hosting prepared theme sessions, Mighty?
    Alfred Kelberry: how are your valuation calculations, para?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at alfred :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I think it would be great if you did
    Paradise Tennant: me too :)
    Paradise Tennant: there is lots to explore :)

    Alfred Kelberry: topics that i'd like to cover are not compatible with the pab format
    Calvino Rabeni: How so?
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, here's one: submarine cable system. not a very pabish topic, i think :)
    Paradise Tennant: what would you like to better understand about submarine cable systems :)
    Alfred Kelberry: or i'd like to know how valuation in real estate is done - para :)
    Paradise Tennant: that is just a google away :)
    Paradise Tennant: but so is scads of info on submarine cable systems :_
    Paradise Tennant: we are awash in information :)
    Alfred Kelberry: para, how are they laid, monitored, repaired. security concerns, contractors.
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: That's a good example
    Paradise Tennant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_communications_cable
    Alfred Kelberry: in fact, kira japan's panda san maintains such a system. it'd be great if he could give a talk.
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: What type of system is that?
    Paradise Tennant: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/2008/02/01/SeaCableHi.jpg
    Calvino Rabeni: specifically a cable system?
    Alfred Kelberry: cal, if i understand correctly, he works for a company that is contracted to operate government own submarine cable
    Paradise Tennant: http://www.iscpc.org/information/Timeline_History.htm
    Calvino Rabeni nods
    Paradise Tennant: http://www.atlantic-cable.com/Cables/CableTimeLine/index.htm
    Alfred Kelberry: para, i can google. thank you :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles there is an amazing amount of info on this one
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, lots
    Calvino Rabeni: Getting into it .. :)
    Alfred Kelberry: first hand experience from a person who actually works with the system is not so easy to google though
    Alfred Kelberry: it is a fascinating topic. look up the operation ivy bells.
    Calvino Rabeni: What makes a topic become interesting ... is it the non-google-ability ?
    Alfred Kelberry: cal, personal preferences
    Paradise Tennant: hello tayla .. welcome :)
    Talya Barzane: thank you kindly
    Alfred Kelberry: hi, tal
    Calvino Rabeni: I think those preferences can spread from one person to another, if discussed in a certain way
    Talya Barzane: Hi boxy dog

    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Talya :)
    Alfred Kelberry: cal, yes. if a person in question is keenly involved with the topic and enthusiastic, it can be contagious :)
    Talya Barzane bows politely and leaves
    Talya Barzane bows politely
    Paradise Tennant: good nite talya
    Calvino Rabeni nods to boxy
    Calvino Rabeni: Good night Talya
    Paradise Tennant: smiles think I will say good night too :)) been a busy weekend .. as always thank you for the conversation and the company :)))
    Alfred Kelberry: bye :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Be well, Paradise :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles namaste :)))
    Calvino Rabeni: I think that could be one of the defining characteristics of blogs as a form of communication
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, another interesting topic is price formation in marketing
    Calvino Rabeni: Price formation is extremely interesting, I agree, and not just because of the promise of practical economic gain
    Calvino Rabeni: These topic examples are ones that seem to require expert knowledge
    Calvino Rabeni: or at least some keen research
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm reminded of Malcolm Gladwell, who makes a good living making nearly any topic interesting to a broad group of people
    Alfred Kelberry: did you know of the study that had shown if people in a supermarket move in a counterclockwise pattern, they spend 2 dollars more on average? if you notice, many actually are organized this way :)
    Calvino Rabeni: That is one I haven't heard of... but very intriguing!
    Alfred Kelberry: as for keen research in this area, it is often speculative. like in this 2 dollars example, it may not be statistically significant.
    Calvino Rabeni: I think there aren't any circular supermarkets?
    Alfred Kelberry: not literally, but a pattern can be seen
    Alfred Kelberry: where you enter and how cashiers are positioned along with general product categories
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, the hypotheses of research - at least where aggregate behavior is involved - usually seem intrinsically speculative

    Alfred Kelberry: some research findings are very solid though. like price anchoring or a decoy effect.
    Calvino Rabeni: Nods, it is also said to depend on .. season, market niche, brand, the state of the economy, location, what do you call it .. the arrays of choices within a product category
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, very fascinating stuff
    Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps it is one of those topics that will benefit from retroflective experimental design
    Calvino Rabeni: the magic of Big Data and all that :)
    Alfred Kelberry: re: brand or niche. this is how starbucks made people buy coffee for 3 dollars instead of 1. they changed the experience of buying. made it a special event. even came up with the fancy names for their coffee.
    Calvino Rabeni: and by finding a qualitative sweet spot between comfort / predictability and novelty ..
    Calvino Rabeni: but what comes most to mind is the locations they choose for the stores
    Alfred Kelberry: oh yes, locations is another big science
    Calvino Rabeni: hmm, and the "touch" of the servers ..
    Calvino Rabeni: another sweet spot ... the barista image
    Calvino Rabeni: a lot of marketing is this kind of cultural "art" .. hard to formulate in scientific terms - brands seem like holistic aggregates of quality
    Calvino Rabeni: ... oh and the lag is getting fierce
    Calvino Rabeni: I need to go ... thank you for the discussion // conversation :)

    Alfred Kelberry: yes. this created culture is related to customer retention. tons of money are being spent on that, which in turn cultivate customer loyalty, building the following. look at apple - they excel at that!
    Calvino Rabeni: Be well, Boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: you too, cal
    Calvino Rabeni: bye for now

    We travel on seas of mind and of metaphor.  As humans, our explorations are collective,  embedded in and abetted by communication.  These acts are discussions that discover something about a topic, and/or conversations that discover something about those who are speaking.  The communications may be as precise as the signals on an undersea cable, or as diffuse and gradual as a sea journey on custom-made "crafts."

    A Metaphoric Journey

    From a PlayAsBeing "Sister" (or is it "Cousin"?) site


    We set to sea each on a raft of our own creation.  The sea we will sail is the vast realm of awareness that we can refer to as consciousness or experience or phenomena.  Our rafts will be thoughts about the nature of the sea we travel upon, lashed together with ideas we find in literature, our practice and chat sessions  – ultimately the material and cords that make up our raft will be whatever each of us individually finds to be significant.  What we use for our individual rafts may be seen as part of our personal mythology...

    We travel at a comfortable pace as a group, not in a race to the end but in a caravan where we help one another along the way, sharing our victuals and stories... There are no right or wrong opinions.  We are looking at thoughts that fill a vast sea and it is better to see the diversity of those ideas rather than be overwhelmed by their lack of congruency.

    We reach the end when we agree the journey is over.  The journey may take months, it may take a year.






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