2012.11.02 07:00 - Cherish is the word...

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Lucinda Lavender. The comments are by Lucinda Lavender.

    Attending were: druth, Xs,Xirana.


    druth Vlodovic: don't touch a thing, you're beautiful :)
    Lucinda Lavender: :) thank you!
    Lucinda Lavender: MOrning Druth!
    druth Vlodovic: lol,I always get a funny feeling when people say that
    Lucinda Lavender: yeah:)
    druth Vlodovic: do you really want a morning druth?
    Lucinda Lavender: I know what you mean tho...
    druth Vlodovic: perhaps a morning Lucinda would have a better flavour :)
    Lucinda Lavender: the last time I worked on my shape due to coming back from being a cat...there have bee some detail to work out!
    Lucinda Lavender: beeen details
    Lucinda Lavender: ha
    Lucinda Lavender: morning dress...yes
    Lucinda Lavender: still dark out for me:)
    druth Vlodovic: did being a cat change your chape?
    Lucinda Lavender: hard to believe...
    druth Vlodovic: brb
    Lucinda Lavender: well some how yes after being in the cat avatar it was different so I started tweaking
    Lucinda Lavender: brb too
    Xs Andree: ao off
    Lucinda Lavender: greetings Xs
    Lucinda Lavender: back now

    Xs Andree: welcome back, Lucinda
    Lucinda Lavender: seems to be snowing just over the way...
    Xs Andree nods nods
    druth Vlodovic: bk,sry
    Lucinda Lavender: np druth
    Lucinda Lavender: I was away too...
    druth Vlodovic: now if we can convince xs to go afk...
    Xs Andree: lol I"m still getting here tbh
    druth Vlodovic: we can all be elsewhere together :)
    Xs Andree: just woke up,
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Xs Andree: which involves tea and rolling a cigarette
    Lucinda Lavender: I think I had dreams that I cannot remember...thought about them while in them but alas lost now
    Xs Andree: oh damn!
    Xs Andree: I had a dream last night, but I didn't write it down!
    druth Vlodovic: umm, I had work last night and forget most of it, does that count?
    Xs Andree: Nice going!
    Lucinda Lavender: sure
    Xs Andree high fives Druth
    druth Vlodovic: togetherness again!
    Xs Andree: unplug from the commercialist zombie war
    Lucinda Lavender: I do not know about that war I think:)
    druth Vlodovic: not sure zombies can war, if they don't just surrender then they don't really qualify as zombies do they?
    Xs Andree: it is the war for your brainz
    Xs Andree makes zombie arms, reaching for lucinda "Braaainzzzz"
    Lucinda Lavender: :))
    Lucinda Lavender: let me look for something..
    Xs Andree: They want you to forget, to be a mind separated from context, to wander the maze of office spaces and factory floors and mall spaces and apartment drones
    druth Vlodovic: moved rather than moving
    Xs Andree: To accept the reality they create, but if we let them, then we accept that we can shape reality with our minds, and by accepting that, then we are shaped by all the minds, and forget that there is a reality apart from us.
    Xs Andree: Apart from what we believe, and it cares nothing for what we think. It is what it is.
    Xs Andree: yeah, Druth
    druth Vlodovic: lol, so many people find that concept oppressive rather than comforting
    Xs Andree shrugs
    druth Vlodovic: sniff
    Xs Andree: We can shape reality with our dreams, just not all of it.
    druth Vlodovic: we can affect or modify reality with our dreams
    Xs Andree nod
    druth Vlodovic: and will, without doing there are no real dreams

    Xs Andree: we can dream upon the medium, but we are limited by the medium as we are freed by it.
    Lucinda Lavender: Brain song... hhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXCj...=plcp...brains make me think of a song from my classroom past...
    Lucinda Lavender: us also...had I heeded a few dreams I might have affected outcomes
    Xs Andree listens
    Xs Andree: i wonder if i dream too much while i'm awake
    druth Vlodovic: depends on what effect the dreams have on you
    Xs Andree: I dunno. I get these panic attacks sometimes, and they tend to mess up everything. whenever I'm happy I feel like I'm about to die.
    Xs Andree: when I'm happiest i'm the most afraid.
    Lucinda Lavender: oh that sounds hard....
    druth Vlodovic: "the undiscovered country" :)
    Xs Andree: when things go well for me, I get afraid, then everything goes wrong
    Xs Andree nods
    druth Vlodovic: perhaps they go wrong because you start sabotaging them in order to return to "normal"
    Xs Andree: I've been working on desire for that reason. To stop letting my emotions move me.
    Lucinda Lavender: I had a lot of anxiety as a younger person...
    Lucinda Lavender: I came to feel that hormones seem very connected
    Xs Andree: yeah, normal for me isn't a good place. It means that nothing goes right, not to get my hopes up.
    Lucinda Lavender: I was introduced to an idea for dealing with emotion recently
    Xs Andree: me too! What was yours?
    Lucinda Lavender: in which..one imagines a safe place..a favorite place
    Lucinda Lavender: and also creates a container for thoughts that are the out of control kind
    Lucinda Lavender: to access the calmer physical state
    Lucinda Lavender: so that you can think with more flexibility
    Lucinda Lavender: all in all
    Lucinda Lavender: getting light out for me...I must go open up the chickens...brb
    druth Vlodovic: how do you make a container for out of control thoughts?
    druth Vlodovic: oh,"hi chickens!"
    Lucinda Lavender: let me think as I open them up...
    druth Vlodovic: I rather make a container for me and let the out of control thoughts run about outside lol
    druth Vlodovic: 'k
    druth Vlodovic: what is your wisdom Xs?
    Xs Andree: I spent much of the year wrestling with my desires, trying to move my heart away from them, and many of them I could. But there were some that would not shake free
    Xs Andree: So i learned that many of my desires are external, that they are not from within me, but influenced from without. Things I think I need to get the things I want
    Xs Andree: so I wind up wanting them to get to my desires
    Xs Andree: But those things that would not shake free, were from within

    Xs Andree: A friend of mine told me that I could not accept the truth of reality while I denied these feelings
    Xirana Oximoxi: hello Luci, druth, Xs!
    Xs Andree: Hello Xirana
    Lucinda Lavender: hi all back
    Xs Andree: because those desires were the truth. He said to let them inform me of the truth, but not move me
    Xs Andree: And right after he said that, I was confronted with one of my deepest desires, one I'd been struggling with
    druth Vlodovic: hi Xir
    Lucinda Lavender: wow..that is a power way
    Xs Andree nods
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi druth:)
    Xs Andree: and instead of fighting it, I let myself feel it, but not move me, and it resolved.
    Lucinda Lavender: powerful way I  meant
    Lucinda Lavender: temporary...in truth
    Lucinda Lavender: oops dropped my oatmeal
    druth Vlodovic: such things are often given power through mental suppression
    Xs Andree nods
    Lucinda Lavender: so true druth
    Xs Andree: a house divided against itself
    Lucinda Lavender: pondering it ...
    Xirana Oximoxi: how can you just feel desire without moving?
    Xs Andree: I'm not sure, really. For me it came only after a long struggle to develop more self discipline
    Xs Andree: I'm not certain that it would have come so easily without first cleaning my heart of those little trivial wants that weren't really mine
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes.... self discipline , if you get it, can help not to move
    Xs Andree: when I accepted my desire, All of my desires came in, and i found there were things i wanted more than the thing I was denying
    Xs Andree: I didn't want to ruin the freindship I wanted to posses
    Xs Andree: and by possessing it, it would have ruined it.
    Xirana Oximoxi: can we feel desire without feeling at the same time the need of possessoin?
    Lucinda Lavender: that helps me understand what you are saying...
    Xirana Oximoxi: just asking...I think yes
    Xirana Oximoxi: maybe not easy
    druth Vlodovic: sneaking off...
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye druth
    Lucinda Lavender: good day...druth
    Xs Andree: In Symposium, plato writes that we desire the things we do not have
    Xs Andree: once we have them, we do not desire them anymore. We can desire to keep them, but the desire is changed to possession
    Xs Andree: But as all things change, we cannot keep anything
    Lucinda Lavender: Luci thinks about how maybe we have to find that we are the thing we desire...already...but we seek to see it
    Xs Andree: so to desire to possess something is never ending, because we know all things must pass
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Xs Andree: So I still desire my friend greatly, by accepting that our friendship must change
    Xs Andree: in not attaining her possession, I continue to desire her, and to be honest, that desire is pleasant
    Xs Andree: I want to desire her
    Xs Andree: and by not possessing her, I have my desire, to continue to desire her always.
    Xirana Oximoxi: and...after Plato's ....if your desire is satisfied, you will not want it any more?
    Lucinda Lavender: cherishing...the word pops into my head
    Xs Andree shrugs
    Xs Andree: maybe plato doesn't know everything.
    Xs Andree nods!!
    Xs Andree: Yes, I do Cherish her, that word keeps coming up as well

    Xirana Oximoxi: Plato used to give a lot of perspectives to face each topic.... different voices seaking about the same and seeing it very differently, for exempole at "The Fest" :)
    Xs Andree nods
    Xs Andree: And symposium
    Xirana Oximoxi: one I have read......other books I have not
    Lucinda Lavender: must go dears...may your cherishing inform and draw you closer to...
    Xs Andree hugs lucinda
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye Luci:) have a nice day!
    Lucinda Lavender: gracias..
    Xirana Oximoxi: I will also go:) have a nice day too XS! :-)
    Xs Andree: you too
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks for the time:)
    Xs Andree: ao on
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye, tc :9
    Xs Andree: Thank you everyone

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