The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

Alfred Kelberry: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey liza
Yakuzza Lethecus: long time no see
Alfred Kelberry: liza ;)
Alfred Kelberry: tough girl :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: sit down, you don´t have to stand in the heavy snow
Alfred Kelberry: come back soon!
Alfred Kelberry: who is going to order nexus 4? :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: ppl with too much money ?
Alfred Kelberry: oh, it's only 349 for 16 gigs
Bruce Mowbray: What is Nexus 2?
Alfred Kelberry: i expected no less than 500
Yakuzza Lethecus: cellphone
Alfred Kelberry: i will certainly get one
Bruce Mowbray: Oh my.
Alfred Kelberry: i think they break even in sales
Alfred Kelberry: too cheap for the top google phone
Bruce Mowbray: I have the cheapest cell phone available: $19.95 in USD.
Bruce Mowbray: Nexus is a GOOGLE phone, or Apple?
Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm, does the nexus 4 have OTG ?
Alfred Kelberry: google
Alfred Kelberry: yes
Yakuzza Lethecus: the data really looks ok
Bruce Mowbray: kk. I should have typed Nexus 4 earlier -- not Nexus 2.
Bruce Mowbray: sry.
Alfred Kelberry: one trend i don't like is that they drop external memory cards to boost their could presence
Yakuzza Lethecus: especially 2gb ram
Alfred Kelberry: they want us to store everything in the cloud now
Bruce Mowbray: You can plug a memory card into your cell phones?
Alfred Kelberry: not google 4
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm. Only the "2" version...?
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zen
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zen!
Zen Arado: Hiall
Alfred Kelberry: nor galaxy nexus for that matter
Alfred Kelberry: mr zen :)
Zen Arado: keep forgetting about the time change
Alfred Kelberry: agreed :)
Zen Arado: it's a nuisance
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, we change tomorrow night...
Bruce Mowbray: fall back one hoour.
Alfred Kelberry: yes, it's confusing
Bruce Mowbray: Then everything will fall back into "normal," I hope.
Alfred Kelberry: gladly, we dropped it
Wol Euler: evening all
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey wol
Alfred Kelberry: woly! :)
Wol Euler: hiya
Zen Arado: Americans don't have to change?
Alfred Kelberry: ah, fury time :)
Wol Euler grins.
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Wol!
Zen Arado: except for Arizona
Alfred Kelberry: nice and warm in the snow
Wol Euler: an amusing typo :)
Zen Arado: Hi Wol
Wol Euler: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Arizona is the only hold-out on daylight savings time, in the US, anyway.
Wol Euler: the only sensible people :)
Bruce Mowbray: Used to be Indiana also -- the state immediately to the west of where I live... but they finally came around.
Alfred Kelberry: bruce: ouch, that makes it even more confusing
Wol Euler: which is not something one often says about Arizona, actually.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, my best friend lives in Indiana -- and he and I were always getting confused when we called each other.
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Bruce Mowbray agrees with Wol on that!
Bruce Mowbray: I rather enjoy the changes.
Yakuzza Lethecus: as i mentioned in the voice session, this morning i thought about it but i had a session on german time before and didn´t even think of the voice session till bruce reminded me :)
Bruce Mowbray: I like a bit of light when I wake up in the wintertime.. and I like getting up earlier in the summertime.
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Zen Arado: you should change at the same time as us though
Zen Arado: us Europeans
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I definitely agree that we should change with the Europeans.
Zen Arado: it must cause so much confusion if you added it all up
Bruce Mowbray: Maybe Obama will deal with that in his second term!
--BELL--
Zen Arado: Obama time
Zen Arado: :)
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Wol Euler grins.
Bruce Mowbray wonders how Boxy knew that!!
Wol Euler: ewwwwwwwww
Bruce Mowbray: yukkkkkkkyyypooooo!
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: rather you than me
Wol Euler: for the log: [13:18] the voice: Wol Euler cleans up boxy's nose
Bruce Mowbray: Better click on it again, Wol.
Bruce Mowbray: Yayyyy!
Wol Euler: much better :)
Bruce Mowbray: Wol Euler is enchanted by boxy's ears
Zen Arado: Murakami seems to have an ear fetish
Bruce Mowbray ponders ear fetish --- Never thought of that one before.
Zen Arado: he is alwasy saying how beautiful women's ears are in his novels
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
Wol Euler: oh, I never noticed.
Wol Euler: but now that you mention it .....
Bruce Mowbray makes a note to observe women's ears better in the future.
Zen Arado: ears are just ears to me
Bruce Mowbray: and noses are just noses... and chins are just chins, etc etc etc.
Zen Arado: not a particularly attractive part of anatomy
Bruce Mowbray: I understand that some folks have a foot fetish. . .
Zen Arado: eyes can be beautiful
Bruce Mowbray: never really understood that one.
Zen Arado: yeh
Bruce Mowbray: Eyes, yes!
Zen Arado: you have to have it to understand it maybe
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, indeed, Zen.
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey kori
Bruce Mowbray: Now, with Boxy, I feel I do have a sort of fetish with the nose.
Zen Arado: Hi Kori
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Kori!
Wol Euler: back in a sec, dinner might be ready
Korel Laloix: Heya
Korel Laloix: brb work.
Wol Euler: hello korel
Bruce Mowbray: kk.. Np, Woly.
Bruce Mowbray: kk.... Np, Kori.
Bruce Mowbray: onigokko
Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
Bruce Mowbray: stop
Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
Bruce Mowbray: stop
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhhh. Onigokko is just about the only exewrcise I get lately.
Bruce Mowbray: exercise*
Bruce Mowbray: \9low
Yakuzza Lethecus: soon it will be shoveling snow
Bruce Mowbray: I can't do that. . . . Sorery.
Bruce Mowbray: Sorry*
Bruce Mowbray: I just let it pile up.
Zen Arado: I was reading an extract from a FA author today Kori
Zen Arado: 'Louise Erdrich (b. 1934), short-story writer, novelist and poet, was brought up near Turtle Mountain Chippewa Reservation in North Dakota. Her mother was a Chippewa Indian, and her father was a German-born teacher. This mixed ancestory forms an important theme in her writing. In Love Medicine she explores the complicated cross-cultural pressures on the lives of members of the Kashpaw and Lamartine families in a sequence of fourteen linked stories.'
Zen Arado: well, mixed race
Wol Euler: okay, dinnertime
Wol Euler: I may be back in a half hour or so
Zen Arado: bon appetit Wol
Korel Laloix: I have heard of her.
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Wol!
Wol Euler: bye for now, and if we don't meet again, enjoy the week3end
Korel Laloix: Take care.
Korel Laloix: What did I miss?
Bruce Mowbray slips out for just a sec to get something out of the fridge....
--BELL--
Zen Arado: we are just chilling in the snow
Bruce Mowbray: [back]
Zen Arado: wb Brucewe
Bruce Mowbray likes this snow -- It doesn't pile up.
Zen Arado: isn't lying ..we say
Bruce Mowbray: It doesn't lie....
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
Bruce Mowbray: Honest snows.
Zen Arado: truthful snow
Zen Arado: :)
Bruce Mowbray: As true as the driven snow.
Bruce Mowbray just saw that the New York harbor is now open to fuel tankers.... so folks in New Jersey won't have to shoot each other for gas anymore.
Korel Laloix: Sad.
Bruce Mowbray experiences relief.
Korel Laloix: I feel sory for them really.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it is very sad, Kori.
Bruce Mowbray: As do I.
Bruce Mowbray: Which is why I'm wearing my shirt today.
Korel Laloix: Never been there...
Korel Laloix: WOul like to go though.
Zen Arado: me too
Bruce Mowbray: Just wait, though, in a few years we'll be having hurricanes in Oklahoma.
Zen Arado: will never see it
Zen Arado: :(
Korel Laloix: There are much better places I am sure.
Korel Laloix: hurricans in OK would be interesting.. better than tornadoes I think.
Bruce Mowbray: I would relish the pleasure of showing you around the city, Zen and Kori.
Zen Arado: ah but NY is unique
Bruce Mowbray: NYC is special. Indeed.
Korel Laloix: More jerks per block then any place else?... smiles
Zen Arado: you can't describe it if you haven't been there...eh boxy?
Zen Arado: :)
Korel Laloix: Just not a big city sorta girl.
Yakuzza Lethecus: in how far do we have to experience something through the own senses in order to ,,have seen it" ?
Bruce Mowbray: There is something really special about the city. . .
Zen Arado: I like visiting big cities
Bruce Mowbray: Me too, Zen.
Zen Arado: love London too
Zen Arado: Sydney was great
Bruce Mowbray: London, Paris, Edinburgh....
Bruce Mowbray: and Chicago.
Bruce Mowbray wioshes he could go to Australia.
Bruce Mowbray: wishes*
Zen Arado: long way...
Zen Arado: not so far from the US though
Bruce Mowbray ponders antipodal.
Zen Arado: antipodean
Korel Laloix: Love visiting remote empty places.
Korel Laloix: Places not destroyed by people.
Bruce Mowbray: The Outback is pretty empty, I understand.
Zen Arado: was in desert in N.Queensland
Korel Laloix: Not exploited or homoformed.
Zen Arado: most empty plave I've seen
Bruce Mowbray: Was that near the "Rock" --- can't recall the name of it at the moments.
Bruce Mowbray: ?
Bruce Mowbray: starts with an "A"
Korel Laloix: Ayers rock?
Bruce Mowbray: Yeppers!
Bruce Mowbray: That's it!
Zen Arado: i never went there
Bruce Mowbray: Oh.
Bruce Mowbray: You went to a different desolate place, then.
Zen Arado: I lost some text there
Zen Arado: hmm
Bruce Mowbray: hmmmm. me too!
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Alfred Kelberry: kori girl
Bruce Mowbray: HI, Boxy.
Zen Arado: 'I dream of boxy with the light brown ears'
Alfred Kelberry: agreed
Yakuzza Lethecus wonders if boxy has a microchip for identification purposes implanted into his nose
Zen Arado: the genuine boxy
Bruce Mowbray suspects it's all done with mirrors.
Alfred Kelberry: it is not aware of av identity :)
Zen Arado: better make my cuppa rooibos
Bruce Mowbray: kkj, Zen.
Alfred Kelberry: i have on right here
Bruce Mowbray: kk*
Yakuzza Lethecus: these days almost all larger animals have some, at least in rl
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: lemon rooibos
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, Zen!
Yakuzza Lethecus: *domesticated
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Alfred Kelberry: kori, how are lectures?
Korel Laloix: More legal stuff in most of them now.
Korel Laloix: How not to get sued and the like.
Korel Laloix: Oh sorry about the bell.
Alfred Kelberry: ok, you're about to get a degree then :)
Bruce Mowbray ponders defensive lecture.
Bruce Mowbray: Actually, Kori's about to get a graduate degree!
Korel Laloix: Two more semesters after this one... provided I get the course I need this summer.
Korel Laloix: Two graduate degrees... smiles
Alfred Kelberry: kori, so how to not get sued?
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)))
Bruce Mowbray: Yayyy!
Korel Laloix: Move from the US.
Korel Laloix smiles
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: other options?
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Korel Laloix: Just avoid certain states.
Alfred Kelberry: avoid apples too
Korel Laloix: I don't like apples anyway.
Alfred Kelberry: what are they? cali?
Yakuzza Lethecus: i heard that the global marketshare of lawsuits is led by the us with 70%
Bruce Mowbray makes a note to avoid apples.
Korel Laloix: Yes... and it is only getting worse.
Alfred Kelberry: yaku, fair number
Bruce Mowbray: Probably, the US also has the global marketshare of lawyers....
Alfred Kelberry: kori, why worse?
Korel Laloix: Obama care.
Bruce Mowbray: Oh my....
Korel Laloix: Now more people to sue.
Alfred Kelberry: kori, how?
Korel Laloix: There are now more layers in health care.
Korel Laloix: Exchanges, boards, etc.
Bruce Mowbray: That ought to make the lawyers happy, at least.
Korel Laloix: Exactly... notice the number one issue with the US healthcare system was not even touched by Obama care.
Korel Laloix: That was not on accident....
Korel Laloix: Malpractice processes I am taling about.
Alfred Kelberry: what issue?
Korel Laloix: Doctors and the like having to pay half of their proceeds or more in insurance.
Bruce Mowbray: Time fo din din!
Korel Laloix: The secondr biggest problem was not addressed either.
Korel Laloix: Ciao.
Alfred Kelberry: eat well!
Yakuzza Lethecus is sad not to find a source for what i said before
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
Yakuzza Lethecus: bon appetit
Alfred Kelberry: kori, they can't afford it?
Bruce Mowbray feels his biggest problem is finding dinner.
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now!
Korel Laloix: The second biggest issue is that someone from Texarkana Texas can not walk accross the streat to Texarkana Arkansas and buy health insurance..
Korel Laloix: So you can't shop to reduce your costs.
Alfred Kelberry: texarkana - interesting place
Korel Laloix: In some ways yes.
Korel Laloix: Anyway, we are stuck with it now.
Yakuzza Lethecus: are there governmental restrictions on the distribution of alcohol in russia ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: @boxy
--BELL--
Korel Laloix: Not sure.
Yakuzza Lethecus: i was just thinking of how governments also take a bit of freedom away to force thje ppl to live a bit more healthy
Korel Laloix: Not in this case... no reason for it except to keep prices up.
Korel Laloix: I can buy care insurance from any state.
Korel Laloix: car
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, my thought was a bit off topic, i was generally thinking of how governments handly healthcare
Yakuzza Lethecus: denmark got a fat tax since this year, here in sweden you need to go to special store´s to buy alcoholics
Yakuzza Lethecus: having insurance policy´s bound to a specific state is sure problematic
Korel Laloix: Some states control the hard liquore purchases.
Korel Laloix: I think New Hampshire owns all of their stores.. the state does I mean.
Yakuzza Lethecus: are they allowed to make a key for the approximate health of a person from ur state and charge more when you live in yours or in another ?
Alfred Kelberry: yaku: there are some regulations, but i don't know the details
Korel Laloix: In short.. no.
Alfred Kelberry: in practical terms, you can buy it anywhere :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: insurances are a strange thing with the propablitity of job and payment stability, if you have a governmental job in germany you get almost all insureances cheaper
Korel Laloix: WE do have what we call dry counties.
Korel Laloix: IN fact the county that Jack Daniels is made in is dry... so you can't even buy a beer there... smiles
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: ah, there's a restriction where you can't buy an alcohol after 9 pm
Korel Laloix: Hopeuflly some things will start chainging for the better in January.
Alfred Kelberry: or worse
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Korel Laloix: HOpefully better.. smiles
Korel Laloix: Looksl ike I am getting off of work on time today..
Korel Laloix: SO time to start locking up.
Korel Laloix: Thanks for the chat.
Alfred Kelberry: ok, have a nice date
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye korel
Yakuzza Lethecus: if i haden´t bought a phone this year, the one you mentioned before would have had been interesting boxy
Alfred Kelberry: i think for this price it's a must buy :)
Alfred Kelberry: one drawback - no lte
Yakuzza Lethecus: no microsd
Alfred Kelberry: well, yea, but 16 gb is enough for me
Yakuzza Lethecus: you guys have unlimited date contracts then, i have only 100mb per month :P
Alfred Kelberry: i don't play games which tend to occupy most space
Alfred Kelberry: you don't?
Yakuzza Lethecus: 5gb is sually what they call flatrate here
Yakuzza Lethecus: that´s usually the maximum before they start capping you
Alfred Kelberry: eplus had a nice offer on internet
Yakuzza Lethecus: in sweden there were unlimited but still 20gig till they cap you down depending on the provider
Yakuzza Lethecus: they got the worst network
Alfred Kelberry: worked well in berlin :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: maybe in mayor citýs ok
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes
Alfred Kelberry: they all cap at some point
Alfred Kelberry: guess i never got over it
Yakuzza Lethecus: btw. tunein radio is for free int he amazon app store today
Yakuzza Lethecus: the pro version
Alfred Kelberry: what's the difference in the pro?
Yakuzza Lethecus: no ad´s
Alfred Kelberry: ah :)
Alfred Kelberry: i don't really mind them
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: read an interesting statistics on ad clicks. 10 years ago the rate was 70%, now down to 0.1% :)
Alfred Kelberry: people got used to them and acquired a mental filter along with ad blockers
Yakuzza Lethecus: 70% clicket them then ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: clicked
Alfred Kelberry: yes
Yakuzza Lethecus: find it hard to believe that, couldn´t even find a source for my 70% before
Alfred Kelberry: the net was young and shiny pictures did attract attention :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: maybe 7 was realistic
Yakuzza Lethecus: but advertisers needed better statistics to sell better contracts :P
Alfred Kelberry: stat on ads is not clear
Alfred Kelberry: some agencies say that text ads are most profitable now
Yakuzza Lethecus: that i do belive, they are also harder to filter, i for example use adblock for years and those are often even the only ones whom are making it
Yakuzza Lethecus: and in google they are even fitting the context
Yakuzza Lethecus: our own bubble
Yakuzza Lethecus: when i google from eve´s laptop i really notice that my bubble is missing
Alfred Kelberry: yea, i keep getting english courses :)
Alfred Kelberry: not well bubbled for me
Yakuzza Lethecus: it was interesting when you guys also taked about duckduck go a while back
Alfred Kelberry: i avoid tracking though
Alfred Kelberry: yes, duck is awesome
Alfred Kelberry: i still wait for duckmail :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, then no amazon app store with a daily free app for you
Alfred Kelberry: certainly not
Alfred Kelberry: i got all apps i need
Yakuzza Lethecus: interesting that alibaba is making more turnover this year then ebay and amazon all together
Yakuzza Lethecus: i just heard of that company maybe 2 years ago for the first time
Alfred Kelberry: sounds familiar :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: in the chinese company or the 40 thiefs context familiar ?
Alfred Kelberry: i know the latter
Alfred Kelberry: didn't know it's a chinese company
Alfred Kelberry: now their turnover makes sense :)
Alfred Kelberry: where did woly go?
Alfred Kelberry: woly?!?!?
Alfred Kelberry: come back!!!
Yakuzza Lethecus: she wanted to come back in 30 minutes which was 26 minutes ago
Alfred Kelberry: ah, ok
Yakuzza Lethecus: well maybe she wanted to come back
Alfred Kelberry: 4 minutes left
Yakuzza Lethecus: but aga wasn´t here today either
Alfred Kelberry: she can't decide what boots to wear :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: no it´s already plus 26 minutes over her half hour
Alfred Kelberry: oh
Yakuzza Lethecus: i will log out as well, sleep well at some point
Alfred Kelberry: auf