2012.11.06 19:00 - holding prayer for others


    The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.


    Xs Andree: ao on
    stevenaia Michinaga: it;s a short walk over here
    Xs Andree: it is here in the sim then?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, jsut behind me next to San;s tree, it may be jsut over the border in the next SIm
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hi Eos
    Xs Andree: i meditate each night until I fall into a state of being, and finally sleep
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Xs Andree: and find i wake in the same state, it is very refreshing, but draining as well
    Eos Amaterasu: i stevenaia, Xs, Pema
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hi Pema
    Pema Pera: hi everybody!
    Eos Amaterasu: *hi
    Xs Andree: meditation for purpose.
    stevenaia Michinaga: gtsy
    Xs Andree: hey Pema, Eos, good to see you both tonight.
    stevenaia Michinaga: meditation comes in so many forms
    Pema Pera: yes, laying down is different in many ways from sitting, and that again from standing -- all uniquely interesting!
    Xs Andree: i just spoke with a friend today who I've been meditating for all week
    stevenaia Michinaga: except in the West where they only thing that comes close seems to be prayer
    Pema Pera: in that order more alertness but less relaxation, perhaps
    Xs Andree: she was very excited today, her week was very positive and beneficial.
    Pema Pera listens
    stevenaia Michinaga: or what the First Nations do, which isn;t really western
    Xs Andree: and filled with exciting things. She's been asked to make a gift for her favorite Author
    stevenaia Michinaga: listens
    Xs Andree: her business was in serious trouble last week, and now she's found a workable resolution to the credit scam she suffered
    Pema Pera: that must be a great relief!
    Xs Andree: someone accessed her account, not just charged to it, but accessed her account and how it works
    stevenaia Michinaga: eek, so unfortunate what people do to people sometimes

    Eos Amaterasu: So when you meditate for her, what do you do?
    Xs Andree: yes, she is llc, but she doesn't want to give up the name, it was given to her, that the name would be what it is, and she is fighting to keep the good name of her company

    Xs Andree: well...this week was different. I had a lot of prayer requests
    Xs Andree: but normally i just put them in my heart, and realize my desire is to see their desires come true.
    Xs Andree: and let that crystallize in my mind, like a stone
    Xs Andree: and then i carry that in my mind
    Xs Andree: during the day while i do what i do

    Pema Pera: that's very respectful, to leave that open while also caring so much
    Xs Andree: it is also the most efficient, i've found. i don't have to figure out what they want.
    Xs Andree: or how to get what they want
    Xs Andree: i don't have to figure out the future or outthink anyone
    Pema Pera: yes!
    Xs Andree: I do that for a few nights and days, then i rest, and stop, and release it into the world.
    Xs Andree: and it manifests
    Eos Amaterasu: Hmm, seems like something, a job even perhaps, that only humans can do
    Pema Pera: the paradox of so many prayers to whatever "higher power" is that often they are phrased in such a limited way, which would seem so unfitting, as if second guessing or supervising the "higher power" :-)
    Xs Andree: it is my right occupation, I think
    Pema Pera: so nice to leave it open instead
    Xs Andree: i was taught how to pray since i was very little.
    Pema Pera: by your family?
    Xs Andree: and by whoever is answering them

    Eos Amaterasu: lately I've been feeling something like recycling my good experience, in a given moment, back to / around the world
    Xs Andree: I like that.
    Eos Amaterasu: almost like gratitude
    Xs Andree: When sometimes my friends need help, and i help them...some of them will insist on repaying me, and then more for their gratitude, and a little also for my friendship
    Xs Andree: and i do it back for them
    Eos Amaterasu: this might be the basis of a more viable economics :-)
    Xs Andree: and these are my deepest friends
    Eos Amaterasu: How about we "pray" in upcoming 90?


    stevenaia Michinaga: gratitude is so much simpler and more balanced within yourself then to expect or need to repay to balance someone elses "good deed"
    Xs Andree: it is, and we wait until need is there, and we don't really keep track
    stevenaia Michinaga: it is probably better you do something for someone else and bring happyness toothers
    Xs Andree: we just know we can count on each other
    Xs Andree: I've done that all my life, that is how I have found the friends I have, usually.
    stevenaia Michinaga: do for the sake of doing :)
    Xs Andree: But right now, i'm being forced to rest.

    Eos Amaterasu: image I get is that you are offered a meme, personal meme, by someone, and you let it live within you for a while, just letting it be without agenda, which kind of releases it ....
    Xs Andree nods
    Xs Andree: i kind of understand that.
    Eos Amaterasu: and somehow that's shared :-)
    Xs Andree: it's been a very long time and very sparse that i've seen it shared.
    Eos Amaterasu: really? I meant with the people who did the original asking to pray for them/their thing
    Xs Andree: only recently has it come back to me very much, or that I"ve been able to see its work.
    Xs Andree: oh, i've done this in a way all my life.
    Xs Andree: I thought that was what you were talking about, sharing a meme
    Xs Andree: i didn't realize you meant just recently
    Xs Andree: Okay, i understand you better, now.
    Xs Andree: lol. yeah...a meme.
    Xs Andree: hmmm

    Eos Amaterasu is wondering how to pray for Play as Being
    Xs Andree: meme's are fun...i like that, memes can be played with...memes are like genes of ideas, fertile and ready to propagate quickly on their own
    Pema Pera: (in Japanese and Chinese it's the same :)
    Pema Pera: yes, ideas are like seeds
    Xs Andree: ooohhh...
    Xs Andree rubs her hands together
    Pema Pera: as for "praying in play as being" I think praying = being
    Pema Pera: and being with
    Xs Andree: to pray continously is to walk with god
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm, yes, very nice
    Xs Andree: that is what i was taught. Play As Being brought me to a point though, where i realized i could just be...
    Xs Andree: and not say or ask anything
    Eos Amaterasu: still wondering about praying continuously
    Pema Pera: and walking with god, there may be less and less distinction between person and god
    Xs Andree: so sit with god and be still
    Pema Pera: yes
    Xs Andree: well..it is said...if you say you love god, but hate your neighbor, then you lie
    Pema Pera: god walking with god, in some sense
    Pema Pera: Being playing as being playing as Being
    Xs Andree: a friend walking with a friend...
    Xs Andree: instead of only coming to beg
    Pema Pera: and yes, playing as Being means also seeing *every* neighbor as Being!
    Xs Andree: :D
    Pema Pera: the ocean playing as waves :)
    Xs Andree: and every being as neighbor! like trees and tables and cars...
    Pema Pera: and waves playing as ocean

    Xs Andree: ooh i so miss the ocean, and watching the sun god die over the horizon...
    Xs Andree: the green blaze they called it...
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    Eos Amaterasu: yes
    Pema Pera: ah, that's very special
    Xs Andree: i saw it on the only sunset i got to see in California, the rest of the time the june gloom was there at sunset
    Pema Pera: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_flash
    Xs Andree: hmm..no there was two of them


    Pema Pera: I'll go get some sleep. Great talking with you, Xs, Steve, Eos!
    Xs Andree: but only one green flash
    Xs Andree: you too Pema, have a good night.
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks for joining us
    Xs Andree: sleep well
    Eos Amaterasu: 'night, Pema
    Pema Pera: thank you all !
    Xs Andree hugs
    Xs Andree: wow...what i saw was a bit more than that, but it explains how it got brighter as the sun went further down...
    Xs Andree: and then it seemed, the sun guttered out, drowned in the sea...and there was a bright flash of green as it died
    Xs Andree: and then the surf crashed onto the cliffs and for a moment, it seemed as if I heard Ra die
    stevenaia Michinaga: never knew it was photographed
    Xs Andree: i was a little afraid, but everyone clapped and waved farewell so that helped.
    Eos Amaterasu: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110104.html
    Xs Andree: me either.
    Xs Andree: yes!!! that was much more like it!
    Eos Amaterasu: wow: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120623.html
    Xs Andree: as it set further and further, it...got so intensely bright too
    Xs Andree: and then...puff..it was gone, and a second later....WHUUMP....
    Eos Amaterasu: I love it when the phenomenal world puts on a show
    Eos Amaterasu: like writing with clouds in the sky
    Xs Andree: yes!! The third up was what the flash was like...and then the other two was like the sun guttering out like s spent candle..
    Xs Andree smiles
    Xs Andree: yeah...it really puts me in mind of the myths i used to read so much about when I was younger
    Xs Andree: and to see....there is a truth to them, if you just stop assuming they are silly
    Xs Andree: and those who believed them to be primitive
    Eos Amaterasu: myths may also be like these memetic stories from others we're requested to pray for
    Eos Amaterasu: as fairy-tale like this world are fairy tales, transparent temporary gossamer
    Xs Andree: i often wonder...
    Xs Andree: when our might has passed on, and four and six and ten generations have passed to remark upon us and our "grand" things..
    Xs Andree: as mother and father pass the stories down
    Xs Andree: what will be said of us and our time?
    Xs Andree: That we could speak to one another across the world
    Xs Andree: meet with people in a special place were space had no meaning, yet had a space of its own?
    Eos Amaterasu: we are legends in our own time :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: the same as we do about our thought of the past, no?
    stevenaia Michinaga: that are what created us now
    Xs Andree: And that we were selfish, and cared little for each other
    Xs Andree: and it was our carelessness, and our great hunger which brought us to ruin.
    Xs Andree: ...or....
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: "the machines that we built, could not save us, that's what they said..." - Jimi Hendrix
    Xs Andree: that we turned away from such things one day, and came together in harmony...and did even more than we have now.
    stevenaia Michinaga: or the machines solved the problems by getting us the hell out of here, i.e. problem nnot solved, jsut avoided
    Xs Andree: Error in store 104
    Xs Andree: We watch the sun at night
    Xs Andree: The pretty gods we built ourselves
    Xs Andree: Now terminate our lives...

    Eos Amaterasu:
        it is now my fall
        this leaf node of awareness
        comes in colours, goes

    Xs Andree: Silicon brain powered voices are crying "Attack" Tonight..
    Ewan Bonham: Listening..
    Xs Andree: mmmhhh
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves to Ewan


    Eos Amaterasu: How you describe prayer seems very shamanic, Xs
    Xs Andree: I'm hoping, and praying, continously, that the world begins to realize we make it in our own image, by our own choice, and our own doing. That there is no hero to save us, no one messiah, no one leader to make it happen. We shouldn't wait for some [God] to free us, when our tyranny is of our own doing and choice. We can free ourselves, and any god worth worship or praise, would expect us to do so for ourselves.
    Eos Amaterasu: a shaman takes a person's problem into their own system
    Xs Andree listens
    Eos Amaterasu: he/she had to survive their patient's dis-eases :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: accept it fully, but not get sucked in or against it
    Xs Andree: hmmm
    Eos Amaterasu: somehow let it go inside themselves, their own experience, in a way that is felt by that person
    Eos Amaterasu: their mirror neurons :-)
    Xs Andree: I have a spirit which does this instead of me, this spirit knows of such things, like eating the disease, ingests it.
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm, a useful spirit, like the peacock eating poison
    Xs Andree: I was terrified in my vision the first time it turned and bit me, but it pulled something black and inky out of me, and i was unharmed
    Xs Andree: ....
    Xs Andree: peacock eating poison?
    Xs Andree: omg
    Xs Andree: the moon eyes!
    Eos Amaterasu: peacock poison images 
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.jaymepeta.com/?page_id=57
    stevenaia Michinaga: never heard of this
    Xs Andree: ...
    Eos Amaterasu: very very useful spirit to have, Xs
    Xs Andree: That is what i've been doing this week
    Xs Andree: i saw the cystal in my mind like a stone
    Xs Andree: but i had more than one request
    Xs Andree: so i made more stones, but i needed to bring them to one desire, my desire
    Xs Andree: so i put them on feathers and drew them together
    Xs Andree: and then I was the peacock, where all these desires came together, so I had one focus
    Xs Andree: not many
    Eos Amaterasu: the root
    Xs Andree: right!

    Xs Andree: and a friend of mine said i needed to find my spirit guide
    Xs Andree: she said...it had moon eyes, and was bright white, but blue as well
    Xs Andree: omg
    Xs Andree: eee!!!!
    Xs Andree: eee hee hee hee!
    Xs Andree: Thank you Eos!!!!
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Xs Andree hugs tight
    Xs Andree: I love you
    Xs Andree: And i love you, Stevenaia...with the cosmos draped around you all the time
    Xs Andree waves to Ewan
    Xs Andree: AND YOU, so quiet, don't think i don't know what watchers do!
    Xs Andree: bearing witness...
    stevenaia Michinaga: easier to learn while listening
    Xs Andree: you guys ask me so many questions though.
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Xs Andree: and most of the time, i just don't know


    Eos Amaterasu: It is now tomorrow - time for bed - good night Ewan, Xs,Stevenaia
    Eos Amaterasu: thank you for a great conversation
    Xs Andree: thank you Eos!!
    stevenaia Michinaga: time for me to watch the election results on The Daily SHow :)
    Xs Andree: lol
    Ewan Bonham: Night folks and thanks...:)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Night Xs
    Xs Andree: u wss going to vote
    Xs Andree: but i didn't.
    Xs Andree: i was so set on it
    stevenaia Michinaga: the lines were long
    Xs Andree: instead i spent the day in peace with a friend
    Xs Andree: meh
    stevenaia Michinaga: night
    Xs Andree: i noticed on my registration my name was in all capial letters
    Xs Andree: night hon.

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